Research Team Slams Global Warming Data In New Report: "Not Reality... Totally Inconsistent With Credible Temperature Data" | Zero Hedge
Description: "The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality. In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data..."
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# Research Team Slams Global Warming Data In New Report: "Not Reality... Totally Inconsistent With Credible Temperature Data"

by Tyler Durden
Jul 15, 2017 9:00 PM
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Authored by Mac Slavo via SHTFplan.com,

As world leaders, namely in the European Union, attack President Trump for pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement which would have saddled Americans with billions upon billions of dollars in debt and economic losses, a new bombshell report that analyzed Global Average Surface Temperature (GAST) data produced by NASA, the NOAA and HADLEY proves the President was right on target with his refusal to be a part of the new initiative.

According to the report, which has been peer reviewed by administrators, scientists and researchers from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.), and several of America’s leading universities, the data is completely bunk:

> In this research report, the most important surface data adjustment issues are identified and past changes in the previously reported historical data are quantified. It was found that each new version of GAST has nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history. And, it was nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern. This was true for all three entities providing GAST data measurement, NOAA, NASA and Hadley CRU.

> As a result, this research sought to validate the current estimates of GAST using the best available relevant data. This included the best documented and understood data sets from the U.S. and elsewhere as well as global data from satellites that provide far more extensive global coverage and are not contaminated by bad siting and urbanization impacts. Satellite data integrity also benefits from having cross checks with Balloon data.

> The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality. In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data. Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever –despite current claims of record setting warming.

> Finally, since GAST data set validity is a necessary condition for EPA’s GHG/CO2 Endangerment Finding, it too is invalidated by these research findings. (Full Abstract Report)

Of course, this won’t stop global climate normalcy deniers from saying it’s all one big conspiracy to destroy the earth. They’ll naturally argue that data adjustments to the temperatures need to be made for a variety of reasons, which is something the report doesn’t dispute. What it does show, however, is that these “adjustments” always prove to be to the upside. Always warmer, never cooler:

> While the notion that some “adjustments” to historical data might need to be made is not challenged, logically it would be expected that such historical temperature data adjustments would sometimes raise these temperatures, and sometimes lower them. This situation would mean that the impact of such adjustments on the temperature trend line slope is uncertain. However, each new version of GAST has nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history.

In short: The evidence has been falsified.

Karl Denninger sums it up succinctly:

> It is therefore quite-clear that the data has been intentionally tampered with.

> Since this has formed the basis for plans to steal literal trillions of dollars and has already resulted in the forced extraction of hundreds of billions in aggregate for motorists and industry this quite-clearly constitutes the largest economic fraud ever perpetrated in the world.

> I call for the indictment and prosecution of every person and organization involved, asset-stripping all of them to their literal underwear.

The real data looks something like this:

(Via ZeroHedge.com)

And the establishment, along with their fanatical global warming myrmidons, continue to push the need for massive, costly initiatives to reduce green house gases and global temperatures to “normal” levels.

The problem, of course, is that there is no global warming according to the above referenced report.

Moreover, none of those supporting the Paris Climate Agreement and other initiatives have any idea what these behemoth regulations will actually do to curb climate change, as evidenced by the following video of Miami Beach Mayor Philip Levine, who despite his best efforts, can’t seem to figure out exactly how these agreements actually lower temperatures and help Americans:

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Moe Hamhead Jul 15, 2017 9:06 PM

Well, at least the left is warming, ...er, overheating.

D Nyle Moe Hamhead Jul 15, 2017 9:15 PM

As long as Libtards are giving money they can't afford, getting the Shit Beat out of them during protests, plus getting jail time and ruining their future, I see no problem with keeping this fake scam going on

froze25 D Nyle Jul 15, 2017 9:21 PM

It's a total scam they have been busted numerous times faking the data. You know if the MSM's are pushing something like Global warming or now "climate change" it's a screw job to take more money and freedom from you.

Looney froze25 Jul 15, 2017 9:22 PM

When I hear someone bitching about Global Warming, I ask them to name the largest carnivore in Antarctica.

They always say it’s the Polar Bear. Every freaking time! ;-)

Looney

Yukon Cornholius Looney Jul 15, 2017 9:35 PM

Have they ever thought about using airplanes to spray chemicals into the atmosphere to either absorb or reflect heat/light? There's gotta be a way to do that. I'm not crazy, am I?

Or maybe like a big disc that can block the sun when it gets too hot. Let's ask the Rothschilds what they think. They've got the money after all.

v76 Yukon Cornholius Jul 15, 2017 9:42 PM

Funny how pro climate change scrubs have been caught dodging the facts in favor of their claim.... the climate change naysayers have never been found to have ever altered their data.

So one side has altered the figures multiple times in favor of their claim, the other has never been known to alter their claim.....so who is the big fat cheat pushing their bias onto others!

Climate change and terrorism like religion before them are all forms of control.

giorgioorwell v76 Jul 15, 2017 9:57 PM

You guys are awfully gullible for a crew that loves to scream about Fake News.

Already debunked, and Marc Slavo linking to a wordpress blog post "peer reviewed" article only posted by the Blaze and Daily Caller should be a pretty good signal that you're reading nonsense.

http://www.snopes.com/climatology-fraud-global-warming/

Go ahead, and debunk the debunkers, idiots.

neilhorn giorgioorwell Jul 15, 2017 10:25 PM

Snopes. Good try. lol

Beam Me Up Scotty neilhorn Jul 16, 2017 12:55 AM

I will worry about global warming when I see Al Gore living in a cardboard box. Until then its a hoax. When he sells all of his mansions and lives a 400 square foot lifestyle, then I will start to think its real. Otherwise, he's just another snake oil salesman willing to sell his shit to whomever will buy it.

Sudden Debt Beam Me Up Scotty Jul 16, 2017 4:46 AM

They're winning though...

look at the new cars that all have an AdBlue container.

That's an extra 40 dollars per 3000 miles.

It's supposed to be good for the environement but...

just leak a few drops on your car... or your skin...

Slack Jack Sudden Debt Jul 16, 2017 5:04 AM

So, why is the global rise in temperatures so worrisome?

For one thing, as temperatures rise good farmland will become desert (e.g., dust-bowl conditions will probably return to the American Midwest).

Another major problem is sea-level rise.

Have a look at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

The U.S. Geological Survey people claim that;

The Greenland ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 6.55 meters (21.5 feet),
the West Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 8.06 meters (26.4 feet),
the East Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 64.8 meters (212.6 feet),
and all other ice melting will raise sea-level 0.91 meters (3 feet).

For a grand total of about 80.3 meters (263.5 feet).

So, what does an 80 meter (263 feet) rise in sea-level mean. Have a look at the following map of the world after an 80 meter rise. It means that over one billion people will have to be resettled to higher ground and that much of the most productive agricultural land will be under water. Fortunately, at current rates, the Greenland ice sheet will take over a thousand years to melt and the Antarctica ice sheet, much longer. However, the greater the temperature rise the faster the ice sheets will melt, bringing the problem much closer. Remember, the huge ice sheet that recently covered much of North America, almost completely melted in only 15,000 years (today, only the Greenland ice sheet, and some other small patches of it, remain). Since then (15,000 years ago), sea-levels have risen about 125 meters (410 feet), only 80 meters to go.

The ice sheets have been continuously melting for thousands of years. What is left of them today, is still melting, and will continue to melt. Human caused global warning will cause this remnant to melt significantly faster. This is a big, big, problem.

For HUGE detailed maps of the "World after the Melt" go to:

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

Global temperatures are increasing. And by quite a lot each year.

2016 is the hottest year on record for global land temperatures.

This is 0.0963 degrees centigrade hotter than the previous record year which was 2015.

0.0963 is a large increase in just one year.

2015 was the hottest year (at that time) for global land temperatures.

This was 0.2415 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2014.

0.2415 is an absolutely huge increase in just one year.

2014 was the hottest year (at that time) for global land temperatures.

This was 0.0139 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2010.

http://preearth.net/images/temp-anomalies-1880-2017.txt

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

not dead yet Slack Jack Jul 16, 2017 6:31 AM

Greenland has been having extreme cold and has recorded record ice and snow additions over the last year. Other scientists have shown, using previous government published data, that the temperature records have been fudged to create drastic warming. They have gradually cooled the past, hoping no one would notice, so that the Roman Warm Period and Medival Warm Period, which were warmer than today, were essentially erased and the Little Ice Age warmed showing an unbroken march from the distant past to "record highs" and "hottest years" ever. Other recent high temps were cooled such as the 1930's that are the warmist temps since the little ice age. RSS, another satellite temperature outfit, has consistantly shown there hasn't been any warming for almost 2 decades. Until recently that is. Then a few months ago they fudged all their figures for the last 20 years to show the warming suckers like you want to believe. Though the RSS numbers agree with the AGW beliefs they are at odds with the other satellite and balloon temps that show no warming. Guess they got the word about get on board or the funds get cut. If one were to look at the thermometers used to determine the "worlds" temperature they are many areas that are under represented, like the Arctic, or there are no thermometers at all in the area. Some countries in Africa show record warming but there are no thermometers or temp records for the country. So they sit down and guess what the temps should be in those areas not covered.

Ice sheets, like the current Larson B in Antarctica, are like icebergs. When the sheet or land ice mass gets too big and far out to sea it breaks off. This has happened before and will happen forever. More pablum for the true believers to keep the paychecks and prestige coming. As it is the GOVERNMENT in a recent report claimed that overall Antarctica has GAINED snow and ice mass for decades. For awhile Al Gore and the "real scientists" claimed Antarctica was melting at a very fast rate. Al and other big shots went down there to highlight the "disaster". Then it was inconveniently proven it was only the West Antarctic Peninsula that was melting. In response Al and the crew claimed it was because of warm currents due to climate change causing the melting. Then real scientists started looking and found the melting was due to volcanoes and thermal vents under the ice and snow. Mother earth doing her thing. In the Arctic they point to the satellite records, which started in 1979, which show almost record lows of ice coverage for quite a few recent years. Yet we have non satellite records that go further back and they they show 1979 as the peak of recent ice coverage and that what's up there now is normal. We've got records from ship captains going back to the 1800's where there was hardly any ice in the Arctic.

Speaking of volcanos. Lots of activity under Yellowstone, Mt Rainer, and Mt St Helens. Volcanoes in Italy, South America, Alaska, and Iceland rumbling with some erupting. They are finding thousands of undersea volcaoes erupting, especially in the Arctic, where they expected to find hundreds. The more they look the more they find erupting. All normal with Mother Earth doing her thing or time to get in shape so when the human extinction by volcano event comes you will be supple enough to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye? Stay tuned.

Mango327 not dead yet Jul 16, 2017 7:45 PM

Climate Change is a function of solar forcing, either direct via electromagnetic and charged particle emissions, or indirect via cosmic Ray induction of cloud formation. Vaccines are also bullshit, they will be remembered as the leeches of the modern medical era, and coconut oil is also good for you. CNN is not the only Target in this meme war. Fuck the CDC, the AMA, NOAA, NASA, FDA and ALL THE REST! Abolish the Imperial State, let the states decide as originally intended. #MAGA bitches!

WHY SCIENCE IS LOSING

https://youtu.be/c_yOTurLf9U

bearwinkle Slack Jack Jul 16, 2017 8:11 AM

Your a dumbass. Temperature alone means nothing without knowing the humidity. The total heat content of the air depends upon its moisture content as well as temperature, without those numbers, the info they are spewing means nothing. I can tell you that a 100 degree day with 20% humidity feels a hell of a lot better than a 90 degree with 90% humidity. That is due to the air total heat content not just temperature. As far has the ice sheets you are pointing out that have been continously melting for thousands of years why would humans have any connection to that? The biggest changes to our climate is controlled mainly by the sun and our earths natural geothermal emissions (think volcanos, wildfires, etc.).

afronaut bearwinkle Jul 16, 2017 2:11 PM

Exactly why the desert is hot in the day and very cold at night. No humidity.

Surround anything with CO2 and warming will not occur.

LibertarianMenace Slack Jack Jul 16, 2017 12:00 PM

"So, why is the global rise in temperatures so worrisome?"

It's not, worry about the Clinton death machine if you're truly concerned about mankind:

http://geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif

Retarded Idiot LibertarianMenace Jul 17, 2017 10:23 AM

Yah, and they killed another one yesterday.

unsafe-space-time Slack Jack Jul 16, 2017 4:22 PM

Rise in temperature is not worrisome. What is worrisome is that we are still in an ice age that could get colder

armageddon addahere Slack Jack Jul 16, 2017 11:10 PM

30 years ago they were saying all this would happen in 20 years. Even before that the Club of Rome was predicting in 1970 that by 2000 the world would be uninhabitable and starving due to pollution, overpopulation, food shortages, and shortages of oil and every raw material you can think of.

They never give up and they never bother explaining their failures. They just keep spewing the same old bullshit and nobody ever notices that their predictions never come true.

Reichstag Fire Dept. Beam Me Up Scotty Jul 16, 2017 10:01 AM

Al Gore is my 'leading indicator" on global warming too...if he's ever going to conserve something, I'll start too.

moneybots Beam Me Up Scotty Jul 16, 2017 1:52 PM

"I will worry about global warming when I see Al Gore living in a cardboard box. Until then its a hoax. When he sells all of his mansions and lives a 400 square foot lifestyle, then I will start to think its real."

Bingo.

Obama said global warming was real and dangerous, then flew all over the place in Air Force One, dumping tons of carbon without a care.

ISEEIT giorgioorwell Jul 15, 2017 10:40 PM

Snopes?

LOL....

What a deranged, dimwitted child!

Teja ISEEIT Jul 16, 2017 5:04 AM

There is a list about all those "highly respected researchers". LOLLOLLOLLOL

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/12/list-of-scientists-respected-in-their...

One paper of these "gurus" against tons of evidence, melting glaciers, spring coming earlier.

But to find moral reasons to drive stupid SUVs makes it necessary for you to believe in pseudo science.

Amicus Curiae Teja Jul 16, 2017 7:06 AM

oh yeah

hotwhopper

ffs

and you DID check sue n her buds out didndt ya?

roflmao

Kidbuck Teja Jul 16, 2017 7:54 AM

You green assholes created the SUV. Americans loved their adult sized sedans and stationwagons. They were safe and comfortable, like sitting in a living room in easy chairs. You fucking green luddites seized control of the courts and the rest of the government and proceeded to lower eveybody's standard of transportation, making only runty, like sitting in kindergarten chairs, chink size cars able to pass the emission standards. But you fucked up and left a loophole by exempting trucks. Thus in the average American's desire for size and comfort the SUV was born.

Pickleton Teja Jul 17, 2017 10:32 AM

"But to find moral reasons to drive stupid SUVs makes it necessary for you to believe in pseudo science"

LOL, in reality you global warmists are constantly whining like bitches about resource elimination (another fiction), so actually it's you imbeciles manufacturing a reason NOT to drive an SUV based on pseudo science. This is libtard justification for an infinite number of HIGH taxes, fees, surcharges, and most of all CONTROL.

GUS100CORRINA giorgioorwell Jul 15, 2017 11:20 PM

Below is a little FACTOID from the SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY ...

There Is No Consensus of Scientists

Although it is commonly claimed that there is a consensus of scientists that blame man for global warming, in actuality there is no consensus at all. Many prominent scientists disagree. Dr. Art Robinson has maintained a website since 1998, signed by around 20,000 scientists, saying that, as of 2009, there is no convincing scientific evidence that greenhouse gases are causing or will cause catastrophic heating of the earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the earth’s climate. Of these, over 2,500 are physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists, who are particularly qualified to evaluate global warming.

not dead yet GUS100CORRINA Jul 16, 2017 7:09 AM

There is also the Petition Project with 33,000 scientists and professionals claiming man made climate change is bullshit. Some will say they are not all scientists which is true. But most of those at the forefront and the biggest names in pushing AGW are the likes of failed pol Al Gore, liberal arts professor Bill McKibbon, and cartoonist John Cook.

Speaking of John Cook, let's review his famous study, cited by no less than the man of peace and supreme integrity Barak Obama, that 97% of all scientists claim man made climate change is real. John boy took a database of around 12,000 papers and culled out the ones that mentioned climate change, global warming, etc. In Cooks own published words around 40% of those papers met the criteria. Of those they culled out the ones that had a definative opinion, pro or con and thus got their 97% figure for pro. The 97% was based on between 46 and 160 PAPERS, not scientists, depending on the person doing the analysis. Out of 12,000 papers. This is how all 97%, and one clown coming up with 99%, "studies" are done. After taking a lot of crap Cook and his true believers changed it to 97% of published scientists. Still a lie. This is one of many fake pieces of bullshit to prime the suckers for sending civilization back to the stone age while those that push the meme get taxpayer paychecks, get rich, or both like Dr Shuklah, from the 20 scientists who wanted deniers prosecuted under RICO, who with his family collected millions of taxpayer cash. If the science is settled and is totaly in their favor they wouldn't need to stoop this low and be so dishonest.

There is the ocean acidification bullshit. Current PH is 81 way into the alkalai range. There are pockets of acidification that are completely natural due to undersea volcanic vents. There was a recent study showing the PH should be much higher and is dropping fast. The study used 1988 as it's starting point. A doctoral student found records go back for over a hundred years and after analysing them it showed current PH was normal. He contacted the authors of the paper and asked for clarification why 1988 was the starting point and all he got was a threat that they were going to sue his ass off if he contradicted their findings.

King of Ruperts Land giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 2:09 AM

Criminals pushing global warming and carbon taxes are today's version of horse thieves and cattle rustlers, and should be strung up just like they were.

Magooo giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 2:44 AM

The Undersigned Agree with the Conclusions of this Report:

Dr. Alan Carlin Retired Senior Analyst and manager, US Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, DC. Author, Environmentalism Gone Mad, Stairway Press, 2015. Ph.D., Economics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA. BS, Physics, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA.

Dr. Harold H. Doiron Retired VP-Engineering Analysis and Test Division, InDyne, Inc. Ex-NASA JSC, Aerospace Consultant B.S. Physics, University of Louisiana - Lafayette M.S., Ph.D., Mechanical Engineering, University of Houston

Dr. Theodore R. Eck Ph.D., Economics, Michigan State University M.A, Economics, University of Michigan Fulbright Professor of International Economics Former Chief Economist of Amoco Corp. and Exxon Venezuela Advisory Board of the Gas Technology Institute and Energy Intelligence Group

Dr. Richard A. Keen Instructor Emeritus of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, University of Colorado Ph.D., Geography/Climatology, University of Colorado M.S., Astro-Geophysics, University of Colorado B.A., Astronomy, Northwestern University

Dr. Anthony R. Lupo IPCC Expert Reviewer Professor, Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri Ph.D., Atmospheric Science, Purdue University M.S., Atmospheric Science, Purdue University

Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen Ph.D., Physics, M.I.T. B.S., Physics, M.I.T. Dr. George T. Wolff Former Chair EPA's Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee Ph.D., Environmental Sciences, Rutgers University M.S., Meteorology, New York University B.S., Chemical Engineering, New Jersey Institute of Technology

https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-re...

FUCK YOU and your Global Warming Bullshit

Magooo giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 2:45 AM
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

- The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
- It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
- America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
- The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4myUDAwPH

FUCK TARD

doctor10 Magooo Jul 16, 2017 6:41 AM

A pretty good intellectual/research scam -if you can get on board. Those scams tend to self-propagate a bit better.

Much better than the Solyndra scam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/specialreports/solyndra-scandal/

Which was a one-trick pony

Magooo giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 2:48 AM
Green Guru James Lovelock reverses belief in ‘global warming’: Now says ‘I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy’

Condemns green movement: 'It’s a religion really, It’s totally unscientific'

Lovelock rips scientists attempting to predict temperatures as 'idiots': “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.”

Lovelock: Fracking is great, the green movement is a religion, his dire predictions about climate change were nonsense – and robots don’t mind the heat, so what does it matter? At 97, the creator of Gaia theory is as mischievous and subversive as ever

What has changed dramatically, however, is his position on climate change. He now says: “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.” But isn’t that exactly what he did last time we met? “I know,” he grins teasingly. “But I’ve grown up a bit since then.”

Lovelock now believes that “CO2 is going up, but nowhere near as fast as they thought it would. The computer models just weren’t reliable. In fact,” he goes on breezily, “I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy, this climate change."...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/30/james-lovelock-inter...

Even the Guardian - the bastion of green FuckTARDS -- is publishing this stuff now

you have been played!

Jubal Early Magooo Jul 16, 2017 4:36 AM

People don't care that they have been played. Bibi Netanyahu could go on CNN and tell them that not only did Israel commit 9/11 but that the holocaust was a hoax, and the sheeple would forget it in 10 minutes. The people don't want to know the truth, so they block it out.

quadraspleen Jubal Early Jul 16, 2017 10:31 AM

^^ this

Yukon Cornholius Jubal Early Jul 16, 2017 3:07 PM

It's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled.

Looking at you, NASA.

Pickleton Magooo Jul 17, 2017 10:34 AM

"He now says: “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.” "

REMEMBER!! The imbecile left continues to spout that they and only they know science , and then say something as simple as a dick or a vag are an infinite combination of undeterminable gender charagcteristics, but someting as infintely complex as climate science.....SETTLED!

Bottom line is you're a mouth breathing imbecile if you spout global warming.

Quellist giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 3:44 AM

Look at these clowns, a piss poor quality report linked from wordpress and they think it is peer-reviewed science. My guess is that nearly half of them came in their pants when they though they had some actual science going for them.

not dead yet giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 5:44 AM

Peer review is bullshit. Most peer reviewed stuff has been reviewed by hand picked people, especially in the climate change meme. Or the author reviews his own stuff creating fake names. This isn't just in the climate change arena but all areas of peer review. In the case of climate change many "deniers" have had the publication of their work delayed until the "real scientists" can fudge a rebuttle and get published first. Or never gets published. A few years ago one journal published a paper by a "denier" reputable scientist and the bought and paid for climate doomers made life so tough for the publisher the head man quit. Dr John Christy and Dr Roy Spencer who run one of the satellite temperature operations have complained of this. Recently Dr Spencer said a paper by he and Christy has been awaiting publication for a YEAR. No such delays if the paper conforms to the doom and gloom and give us more money scenario. Many reputable "denier" scientists have had their works published in Chinese journals as it's almost impossible to either get published or have their paper publsihed in a timely manner in the so called first world.

Australia has thousands of climate change espousing scientists on the government payroll. A few months back they announced they going to fire around 300 of them and replace them with expert scientists and enginners to work on adaption and mitigation to the climate change problem. A wise move to prepare now instead of at the last minute, if you really believe the gloom and doom. There was an outcry from the gloom and doom scientific community around the world, and shills like Al Gore and Bill Mckibben, about how shortsidghted and dangerous the action by the Australian government was. Now for the punch line. The main complaint was THERE IS MUCH WE STILL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF CLIMATE CHANGE. Gee, and these guys have been telling us all along the science was settled and yet they admit it isn't when the taxpayer funded paychecks are in danger. Every time anyone wants to cut positions, this isn't the first time, because "the science is settled" they always get the same answer.

AUD not dead yet Jul 16, 2017 8:12 AM

In my part of SE Australia, its been a pretty cold winter so far. Dry, but cold. -11 deg C one frosty morning recently.

mstyle giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 12:01 PM

Snopes should do an investigation into the conspiracy that Snopes.com is government controlled deep state propoganda...

You actually just caused me to go to their website real quick. Snopes 'debunks' the story that Hillary Clinton gave Russia 20% of US uranium and got kickbacks to the Clinton Foundation in return yet they print this as part of their thorough 'debunking'...

"Of the $145 million allegedly contributed to the Clinton Foundation by Uranium One investors, the lion’s share — $131.3 million — came from a single donor, Frank Giustra, the company’s founder. But Giustra sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and at least 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state."

Seems legit to me!

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

mstyle mstyle Jul 16, 2017 12:06 PM

You know. It's just a random coincidence that the guy used to be associated with the same company involved in the deal. And besides...we're only talking about $130,000,000.00

That's not even that much so I don't see why people would create crazy conspiracy theories about poor Hillary. She's just trying to help feed children and rebuild countries dontchyaknow

Angelo Misterioso giorgioorwell Jul 17, 2017 9:15 AM

Snopes does not dispute the data, just the notion that is was peer reviewed -

have Snopes deny that the content of the article is true - can't -

Pickleton giorgioorwell Jul 17, 2017 10:06 AM

"Already debunked'

Mmm no. Debunking doesn't mean what you imbeciles think it does. It doesn't mean you disagree, which is all y ou imbecile ever do when you "debunk" something.

mickrussom giorgioorwell Jul 17, 2017 12:12 PM

snopes has been exposed as a fraud. whats next, facebook telling us what is and isnt fakenews

giorgioorwell v76 Jul 15, 2017 9:57 PM

You guys are awfully gullible for a crew that loves to scream about Fake News.

Already debunked, and Marc Slavo linking to a wordpress blog post "peer reviewed" article only posted by the Blaze and Daily Caller should be a pretty good signal that you're reading nonsense.

http://www.snopes.com/climatology-fraud-global-warming/

Go ahead, and debunk the debunkers, idiots.

armada giorgioorwell Jul 15, 2017 10:04 PM

First, ozone layer. Now this crap. Jeez what are these scientists smoking? http://wp.me/p4OZ4v-2M

undertow1141 giorgioorwell Jul 15, 2017 10:40 PM

Snopes you gotta be kidding me. That group is a known embezzeler and two hookers. If these are your fact checkers, you might want to rethink who you trust about scientific issues.

afronaut giorgioorwell Jul 16, 2017 1:54 AM

Ooo it's pal reviewed so it must be true.

Snopes? Pfft

NoDebt Yukon Cornholius Jul 15, 2017 10:08 PM

We live in the greatest era of the triumph of bullshit over simple fact that has ever existed in the history of man. You young'uns don't have the perspective of somebody my age who was told all through primary school (1970s) that we were going into another ice age. Flash forward 15 years from there and we're all going to die from global warming. Flash forward another 15 years and we're STILL going to die from global warming and we can fix it by trading carbon credits through Goldman Sachs and, of course, higher taxes.

It's impossible for me to express to you how living through that narrative while things look pretty much the same outside, year after year, has both steeled me against such hysteria and angered me. Like everything else, the pursuit of real science has been corrupted by politics and the blind pursuit of power over individual liberty.

The upside is that when I hear narratives about how "the Russians stole the election" I know, with absolute certainty, it is 100% bullshit. That's a small lie- easy to see and dismiss. They say that the bigger the lie, the more effective. Doesn't work with me. Hoperfully it doesn't work with you. I've seen, WITHIN MY OWN LIFETIME, muti-decade lies like "global warming" told over and over with malice aforethought. DO NOT THINK the lies you are being told are all just momentary lies of immediate convenience. Politicians tell lies of immediate convenience to get out of momentary trouble. The people who really run things (and do not stand for election every 4 years) tell much larger, longer-lasting lies. Those people own the media and they own higher education.

If they did not have the capacity to tell you the same lie over and over for DECADES, nobody would believe them because the stories they tell are fantastic, full of magic and heroes and villains that a child might believe, but not a rational free-thinking adult. But they DO own those organs of propoganda, so people DO believe them.

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