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# Russian Fighters Killed In Clash With US-Led Coalition Forces In Syria

With the calm of global capital markets shattered in the past two weeks, the ongoing military conflict in the Middle East has taken an understandable back seat to monetary matters. And yet, tensions involving Syria, Iran and Israel continue to escalate, most notably with this weekend's outright attack by Israel on Syria, allegedly in retaliation for an Iranian drone launch from a Syrian army base, and which led to the first downing of an Israeli F-16 jet in decades.

Yet what has so far prevented the proxy way from spinning out of control, was that Putin - as guarantor of the Syria-Iran axis on one hand, and Netanyahu as his nemesis on the other, had expressed restraint. For now.

That may change, however, following a Reuters report that Russian fighters were among those killed when U.S.-led coalition forces clashed with pro-government forces in Syria earlier this month.

While Russia’s Defense Ministry said at the time that pro-government militias involved in the incident had been carrying out reconnaissance "and no Russian servicemen had been in the area", the story changed on Monday when it emerged that at least two Russian men fighting informally with pro-government forces were killed in the incident in Deir al-Zor province, their associates told Reuters.

> One of the dead was named as Vladimir Loginov, a Cossack from Russia’s Kaliningrad exclave. Maxim Buga, a leader of the Cossack community there, said Loginov had been killed around Feb. 7 along with “dozens” of other Russian fighters.

> The other man killed was named as Kirill Ananiev, described as a radical Russian nationalist. Alexander Averin, a spokesman for the nationalist party he was linked to, told Reuters Ananiev had been killed in shelling in the same fighting on Feb. 7.

If the deaths are confirmed, it could turn into a political scandal for Putin, with the public demanding why the government is keeping military deaths under wraps. Already Grigory Yavlinsky, a veteran liberal politician who is running for president in elections next month, has called on Putin to disclose how many Russians had been killed in Syria and in what circumstances.

“If there was large-scale loss of life of Russian citizens, the relevant officials, including the commander-in-chief of our armed forces (Putin), are obliged to tell the country about it and decide who carries responsibility for this,” Yavlinsky said in a statement released by his Yabloko party.

Of course, if indeed Russian soldiers were killed while fighting under covert circumstances - in the same way as killed US "military advisors" are kept under seal - that is the last thing Moscow would like to publicize. Unless of course the political calculus shifts, and Putin decides that it is time for a full-blown military escalation, in which case the deaths will be used as the justification behind any armed conflict.

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Blue Steel 309 Mon, 02/12/2018 - 17:56 Permalink

Who knows how many Americans have died there. Most of them are clandestine from either DOD or CIA.

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WTFRLY Blue Steel 309 Mon, 02/12/2018 - 17:59 Permalink

**Joomanji intensifies**

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caconhma WTFRLY Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:01 Permalink

Prostitutin is a CIA asset.

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Deathrips caconhma Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:04 Permalink

So the invaders Killed the russian guests?

Russia has a right to defend itself.

RIPS

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JSBach1 Deathrips Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:09 Permalink

Slightly OT, but interesting reads about the downed Isreali F-16 (and the narrative being parroted thereabout)

> “The Syrian command and its allies have decided to impose a new rule of engagement on Israel: for every violation of Syria’s airspace, Damascus will fire dozens of missiles above the Israeli inhabited areas along the Golan Heights. The intention is not to hit a specific target but to make sure no Israeli on the borders and within range of the fired missiles will live in peace. They will be in the shelter, and this will happen every time the Israeli air force violates Syrian sovereignty”,

https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/syria-does-not-fear-war-with-…

https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/when-red-lines-are-crossed-in…

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nmewn JSBach1 Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:14 Permalink

I'm sure the Druze living on the Golan are gonna love that.

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bigkahuna nmewn Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:17 Permalink

We are not there to protect US citizens or the territory of the USA from any threat coming from over there.

In fact our presence in the middle east actually raises the risk that Americans will be attacked globally and at home.

Why do we not get that! WTF is it going to take?!

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chunga bigkahuna Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:25 Permalink

Of course it does. The non-stop shit on the telescreen thanking the military all the time is driving me crazy. If US didn't have bases and troops literally everywhere we wouldn't be safe to eat hot dogs and watch ball games? It's mental.

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Bes chunga Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:51 Permalink

Cadet Bone Spurs

would disagree

;-)

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Shillinlikeavillan Bes Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:53 Permalink

Wish they would hurry up and start WW3 already...

Just get it over with so that we can start the rebuilding process already...

>_>

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The_Juggernaut Shillinlikeavillan Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:39 Permalink

Did Russia not learn their lesson in Afghanistan?

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Billy the Poet The_Juggernaut Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:52 Permalink

Do you mean the lesson that the United States incites radicals to do its bidding?

Zbigniew Brzezinski to the Mujahideen: "Your cause is right and God is on your side!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

Declassified Pentagon report reveals that the West created ISIS to oppose Assad in Syria.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-28…

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lloll Billy the Poet Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:52 Permalink

JOIN the US Army and DIE for Israhell.

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LiteBeeer lloll Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:09 Permalink

WW1 destroyed the Ottoman in 1922 and enabled the way for Israel to be established thereafter in 1948. Else this would have not been possible.

WW2 caused the mass migration of hated Jews from the world back to their new established country. They gathered back into one spot.

Germany was punished by fire (by British RAF and American USAAF) with as example 650,000 incendiary bombs that were dropped just in Dresden alone, generating 1000 °C of hellfire heat. Like Sodom/Gomorrah, this was an example set by God.

WW3 will be soon, when the entire pagan world will persecute Jews and attack Israel, just as Germans did prior WW2. Then 15,000 h-bombs / a-bombs will burn the entire earth with such a fervent heat.

You will get what you ask for.

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BobEore LiteBeeer Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:23 Permalink

When i covered this story

Sunday morning

I was aware that the Russo talmudic sock puppets infesting this site were still hanging upside down in their filthy guano smeared caves, torporously snoring in the sleep of the 'half-dead' but would soon awake to repeat their mistake...

of baring their fangs at the only real reporter anywhere NEAR ZHEEPLEDOMS NEWS EMPIRE. And now... after a weekend cirque d'sack sacks which saw a 'lil big horns' of blustery sockpuppet custers shooting their paper arrows, then go down before the 'truth in media' Injun assualt.. and

fake news princesses painfully suffer for their sins... I knew that eventually the mafiyas would have to GIVE IT UP ...

and say Bob.. you've done it again! We surrender. Jeep Jeep

Ol skool journalism vs the mendacious modern mediaz.... NO CONTEST!

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BobEore BobEore Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:29 Permalink

Hello JS BACH (1) ...for your inspection ... and consideration

When Red Lines Are Tossed - Deconstructing the Dissimulationist Media

no more fake news... from 'fake jews'... of the sabbatean kind

and their hirelings in the fake news meidaz

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BobEore BobEore Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:47 Permalink

he he heh

looks like at least one pooper-scooper troooper got away from Sundays' massacre! And is still shooting

paper arrows. [aka - small concession speech of speechless defeat! As the silent audience of readers watches Bob mow the grass!]

We'll rake em all up ... sooner or later.

As kabbalist sock puppets litter the lawn of zheeple H~Q

long with the usual detritus of used condoms... Maga hats n tees... Bibi bi -ographies...

and splayed body parts.

let the good time roll!

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N0TME lloll Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:32 Permalink

You first.

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Jayeles Billy the Poet Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:33 Permalink

Great find, Billy. It’s official. The West supports Al Qaeda.

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Village-idiot The_Juggernaut Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:16 Permalink

No more than the US learned their lesson in Afghanistan.

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Déjà view Village-idiot Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:40 Permalink

Euro-P-ons...sleepless nights...follow Jerusal•em©²→Washington→London cabal...decisions...decisions...decisions...

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American Snipper The_Juggernaut Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:49 Permalink

We didn’t learn from them either and danced right in when they left...

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HRClinton Shillinlikeavillan Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:30 Permalink

Nah, get it on, so that we can do our part in taking out Domestic Enemies. From up close, or from a good trajectory.

That way, countless numbers of long-term unemployed will be employed in a new career.

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MK ULTRA Alpha HRClinton Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:54 Permalink

Kill them all and be done with it. Global population is ramping out of control, the global population is driving at an increased rate toward 8 billion. The world has never been here before, the reports of numbers being killed off will intensify in the war for resources.

We need an extermination event not an extinction event, this is why if we follow the Obama plan of lowering our shields, we can take the round and be the one's killed off.

Thank you Obama.

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DPLETTENBERG Shillinlikeavillan Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:31 Permalink

Russia knows what a full scale war can do to a country. Having never been invaded we don't. All war is, is something you hear about on the news

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JimmyJones DPLETTENBERG Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:27 Permalink

True words. We need to protect what's ours and protect our own. No more world policing. We can go to space, they can stay here if they wish.

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CatInTheHat DPLETTENBERG Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:47 Permalink

That's right we DON'T but with the next world war we will. The illusion the sheep have that they are safe within our borders is just that.

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Billy the Poet Bes Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:08 Permalink

I'm still curious as to why your mission to "hold EVERYONE accountable at ALL times," consists exclusively of silly comments about the President.

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strannick Billy the Poet Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:20 Permalink

Christian Putins patience with American and Isreali Satanists keeps us from world war.

"pardon me if im meek and gentle with these butchers"

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zorba THE GREEK strannick Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:00 Permalink

If I was one of the richest and most powerful men on earth and had 24/7 access to some of the most beautiful, loose women on earth, I too,would bend over backwards to avoid a conflict that could change all that.

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JimmyJones zorba THE GREEK Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:29 Permalink

Putin's too disciplined for that, but I like the dream.

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LiteBeeer strannick Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:17 Permalink

Putin enables, backs and leads islamic armies to take position at Israel's door.

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JimmyJones LiteBeeer Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:30 Permalink

Oh well, sucks for them. Maybe they want to buy some weapons and defend themselves.

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Wahooo chunga Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:35 Permalink

Can’t even watch a sporting event on TV anymore without some heartfelt tribute to “our men and women in service”. Fuck em.

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CatInTheHat Wahooo Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:50 Permalink

Subtle gas light to exploit patriotism in Americans. I feel like it's something straight out of the 1930's...

We need to go all out Anti WAR

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BJPershing chunga Mon, 02/12/2018 - 22:00 Permalink

It's called a "theater" of war for a reason.

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serotonindumptruck bigkahuna Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:27 Permalink

WTF is it going to take?!

Global thermonuclear war.

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Slippery Slope serotonindumptruck Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:36 Permalink

I can’t believe how fawking patient the Russians are,

But payback is going to be a bitch.

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serotonindumptruck Slippery Slope Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:42 Permalink

Payback is going to be a bitch for 95% of all life on the planet.

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Lost in translation Slippery Slope Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:43 Permalink

Fact ^

And payback will indeed come, there’s no question...

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Slack Jack Lost in translation Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:52 Permalink

There are no ancient Jewish cities in Israel,...
but there are lots of ancient Greek cities.

What is weird is this; that 2000 years ago, it seems that there were no people even resembling Jews, in Israel.

It turns out that there is not a single ancient Jewish city in what is now called Israel. There is not a single ancient city where Hebrew characters are used on the statues and buildings. There is not a single ancient city where the buildings are in the ancient Jewish architectural style. In fact, there is not even a category of "ancient Jewish architectural style".

Of course, the Hebrew characters that are desired, are those of the Dead Sea scrolls (supposedly from 2000 years ago), which are essentially the modern Hebrew characters without points.

If you check out all the ancient cities in Israel from 2000 years ago, they are all Greek, and their ruins are still there for you to visit. Their inscriptions are in the Greek script and the buildings are in the ancient Greek architectural styles.

Here is a list of some of the known ancient Greek cities in (and near) Israel; Ecdippa, Seleucia, Ptolemais, Taricheia Arbela, Asochis, Sepphoris, Hippos, Dion, Sycaminum, Bucolon Polis, Itabyrium, Gadara, Abila, Dora, Comus, Gephrus, Crocodilion Polis, Caesarea, Straton's Tower, Narbata, Scythopolis, Pella, Samaria, Amathus, Ragaba, Gerasa, Apollonia, Sicima, Pegae, Joppa, Arimathea, Jamnia, Port of Jamnia, Lydda, Modiin, Aphaerema, Philadelphia, Birtha, Gazara, Beth Horon, Dok, Jericho, Samaga, Esbus, Medaba, Ladder of Tyre, Azotus, Port of Azotus, Accaron, Jerusalem, Ascalon, Anthedon, Gaza, Marissa, Beth Zur, Hebron, Adora, Engeddi.

The ancient Jewish cities in Israel are,....... well there aren't any. Not even one.

Here's an interesting example of a first century BC Greek inscription (i.e., in Greek letters) from Jerusalem's Temple Mount forbidding the entry of strangers to the Temple precinct.

http://www.preearth.net/images/no-foreigner-shall-enter.jpg

The pictured stone was found in 1935. It was actually the second such warning-stone to be found, the first being discovered by Charles Simon Clermont-Ganneau in 1871. It was deemed so dangerous to the "Jews inhabited Israel 2000 years ago" theory, that it completely disappeared for 13 years before resurfacing in Istanbul, where, it was correctly calculated, it would not attract much attention.

From: https://www.timesofisrael.com/ancient-temple-mount-warning-stone-is-clo…

The first Jerusalem Temple Mount warning-stone, now found in the Archaeology Museum, Istanbul, is pictured below:

http://preearth.net/images/jerusalem-temple-warning-at-istanbul.jpg

It says (in Greek): "No stranger is to enter within the balustrade round the temple and enclosure. Whoever is caught will be responsible to himself for his death, which will ensue."

Slack Jack's CHALLENGE:

Name ONE ancient city (that existed in what is now called Israel) where the building inscriptions are all in Hebrew, and the buildings are constructed in the ancient Hebrew architectural style (whatever that may be).

Then give a summary of "the ancient Hebrew architectural style" (you will have to make this up as it does not yet exist).

Then give links to photos of the ancient building inscriptions which show that they are written in Hebrew.

Then show that the buildings are constructed in the ancient Hebrew architectural style (that you have just invented).

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1175

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Slack Jack Slack Jack Mon, 02/12/2018 - 18:54 Permalink

The Dead Sea scrolls Hoax.

The Dead Sea scrolls are a mixture of old documents that were hidden in a number of caves to be miraculously found and used to support the establishment of Israel, a country intended for Jews only.

The main document "finds" were in 1946 and 1947 in caves near the tiny ancient settlement of Qumran.

Israel was created in 1948.

The Dead Sea scrolls are the only really old (well supposedly really old) documents, in the Hebrew characters, that have ever been found. No other really old documents in the Hebrew characters have ever been found.

All other documents in Hebrew characters date from later than 800 AD.

Previous to the "finds", critics had pointed out the late date of all documents in Hebrew characters, and deduced that the Hebrew Old Testament must have been translated from the Greek Old Testament and not the other way round.

Then, low and behold,... a very timely miracle occurs.

The Dead Sea scrolls are "found" and dated to hundreds of years earlier than the oldest previously known documents in Hebrew characters.

Then, it is widely claimed that all the scrolls were produced and hidden in the Qumran caves before 70 AD (the supposed time of the mythical sack of Jerusalem by the Romans).

The critics are not given access to the scrolls nor even photographs of the text, lest they spoil the party.

In fact, for decades, only seven scholars are given access to the scrolls.

This goes on till certain critics are dead and the scrolls have been purged of all anachronisms (like Arabic numerals).

Then, in 1991, only 45 years after their "discovery", the Huntington Library, in San Marino, California, without consent, makes facsimile copies of the scrolls available to all.

So that, in brief, is the Dead Sea scrolls Hoax.

More, however, can be deduced....

One can even guess where the Dead Sea documents came from.

It turns out that some of the Dead Sea documents, for example, the "Damascus Document," are nearly identical to documents from the Genizah collection of the Ben Ezra Synagogue in Cairo, Egypt. So, it is likely that many of the Dead Sea scrolls had their source there.

Worldwide, there are ten manuscripts of the "Damascus Document" from the Dead Sea scrolls and two from the Cairo Genizah. This strange distribution is a result of the fraud. The "Damascus Document" was first published in 1910 by Solomon Schechter in "Fragments of a Zadokite Work."

The Ben Ezra Synagogue was established around 900 AD.

Now, the Arabs have ruled Egypt since they defeated the Greek armies around 635 AD.

Now, the synagogue (and its Jews) existed happily, undisturbed, in Cairo, in the midst of the Islamic world.

So, maybe the original Jews were a group of Arabs.

This would explain why Hebrew and Arabic are nearly identical languages.

This would explain why the Hebrew and Islamic religious traditions are very similar.

And, it would also explain why Jews turned up in Spain with the Arabs (Moors).

Another couple of points:

It should also be noted that a few Jewish scholars (in particular, Solomon Zeitlin) have long insisted that the Dead Sea scrolls were a Medieval production. [Zeitlin was a well-known Talmudic scholar and would not claim this unless convinced it was true.]

Internal evidence from the scrolls themselves indicates a Medieval production. See, here.

And, the fact that many scrolls are written on vellum (90% of them) proves these are indeed a Medieval production.

It is estimated that 20 people occupied the site of Qumran (estimated by the number of inhabitants for whom there was room in the buildings). Now these 20 people were not just ordinary people, they read and wrote Greek, Phoenician, Aramaic, Nabataean, and Hebrew documents, like natives, and managed to write learned works on numerous religious topics (about 900 manuscripts were "recovered"; about six hundred separate works), while gathering enough water, and raising enough food, for their survival, in a desert.

Some have tried to claim that as many as 200 lived at Qumran, but most have considered that number ridiculously high.

Anyway, I think it is clear that the Dead Sea scrolls are a bunch of old documents that have been thrown together and sold to a gullible world.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1176

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DeadFred Slack Jack Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:16 Permalink

Remember, your meds are in the container near the sink. Don't forget to take them on schedule.

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LiteBeeer DeadFred Mon, 02/12/2018 - 19:27 Permalink

Slack Jack

Get a clue about history:

Romans invade Greece and end Hellenistic period in 146 BC.

Octavian (later Augustus) defeats Mark Antony & Cleopatra and is the 1st Roman emperor. Greco-Roman period ends in 30 BC.

Roman empire (6th beast in the bible) is on fast rise while Greek empire (5th beast) has faded away.

Roman soldiers advance and build fortresses everywhere. Including near to 2nd temple. That fortress is today called the "temple mount".

Greek culture among the people is still active in those days.

After islam is founded in 610 AD, those jihadist use the same fortress location and build al-Aqsa (705 AD) and Dome of rock (691 AD) there. Mosques are military bases disguised as prayer locations. No quffar (arabic for goyim) can even today enter those buildings. You must be a soldier of allah/satan to enter. Islam, including the late Ottoman empire, is the 7th beast mentioned in the bible. The 6th beast's deadly head wound inflicted by Napoleon's General Berthier in 1798 is healed in 1929 as Vatican. 7th beast's deadly head wound was a final blow by Ataturk in 1924 and thus islamic caliphate is dead forever.

All 7 beasts (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek, Roman/Papacy/Vatican, Islam/Ottoman) controlled Jerusalem. It's all about Jerusalem. Finally Israel is established after the death of 7th beast Ottoman and Jerusalem is taken back.

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nmewn LiteBeeer Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:19 Permalink

I'm still trying to figure out how fucking...SlackJack...got fourteen upvotes...LMAO!

But thats where we're at on one of these threads...lol.

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Mr Hankey nmewn Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:24 Permalink

Sj's uv's are out of gratitude for not yapping about AGW

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nmewn Mr Hankey Mon, 02/12/2018 - 22:00 Permalink

Twenty three now (and counting) that SlackJack has been agreed to...apparently because what he lacks in fact, he makes up for in...sheer copy/paste volume...lol.

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Big Creek Rising nmewn Mon, 02/12/2018 - 21:40 Permalink

Slack got the upvotes for pasting something other than his usual global warming screed.

He is too stupid, ignorant and brainwashed to be human, so my guess is he's an AI experiment gone dangerously awry.

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Sorry_about_Dresden LiteBeeer Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:29 Permalink

The 7 beast you reference is from ancient Jewish folklore, you have to use it to make your argument.

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Sorry_about_Dresden LiteBeeer Mon, 02/12/2018 - 20:36 Permalink

The 7 beast you reference is from ancient Jewish folklore, you have to use it to make your argument.......kind of amusing one cannot get away from Jewish thought.........so insidious.

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