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# Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

Somebody has some explaining to do... or did the Syrian airstrikes just 'distract' the citizenry from the reality surrounding the Skripal poisoning.

Remember how we were told my the politicians (not the scientists) that a deadly Novichok nerve agent - produced by Russia - was used in the attempted assassination of the Skripals? Remember the 50 questions (here and here) we had surrounding the 'facts' as Theresa May had laid them out? Ever wonder why, given how utterly deadly we were told this chemical was, the Skripals wondered around for a few hours after being 'infected' and then days later, survived with no chronic damage?

Well those doubts may well have just been answered as according to the independent Swiss state Spiez lab, the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

RT reports that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW), that Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ.

The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.

However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added.

He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.

On a side note, the Swiss lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.

The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident.

Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.

But hey, who cares about any of that? Diplomats have been sent home, Putin has been anointed Hitler, and besides, what about those missiles in Syria?

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Belrev Sat, 04/14/2018 - 11:55 Permalink

Now NATO is going to apologize and pay reparations to all those that they have bombed.

And simultaneously will self-bomb as retribution for gassing their own people.

That animal May must go.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DawZiMxX0AILrbf.jpg

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07564111 Belrev Sat, 04/14/2018 - 11:56 Permalink

or did the Syrian airstrikes just 'distract' the citizenry from the reality surrounding the Skripal poisoning.

Yes indeed, nothing at all on the pages of UK media.

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BangDingOw 07564111 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 11:59 Permalink

So the knuckleheads in charge of our intel agencies are not only evil, but stupid as well?

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07564111 BangDingOw Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:00 Permalink

Perfectly Stated !

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Soul Glow 07564111 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:01 Permalink

War is a perfect cover for a market crash that was baked in the cake anyway.

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Looney Soul Glow Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:06 Permalink

According to Wikipedia, BZ is an odorless incapacitating agent.

Weren’t the Skripals found INCAPACITATED on the park bench? Hmmm…

I can hear Trump asking May and Macron (in his best Hillary Voice): “Can’t we just drone the Swiss Lab?” ;-)

Looney

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Klassenfeind Looney Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:07 Permalink

"Somebody has some explaining to do..."

You think so?

Dufus Trump, Mike Pompeo, James Mattis, Nikki Haley and all the rest of the Deep State Crew that Trump has surrounded himself with, will completely ignore these Swiss findings and just drone on and on with their scripted and rehearsed sound bites.

Those sound bites are then repeated 24/7 in the Brainwash Mainstream Media, and the sheeple won't even know that this Swiss report exists.

"War is a perfect cover for a market crash that was baked in the cake anyway."

My thoughts exactly! I'm sure that the US/UK/NATO will come up with another False Flag event (perhaps a terrorist attack in Europe which will be pinned on Iran?) in order to justify continuing the bombings. "One-time shot" my ass!

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Beam Me Up Scotty Klassenfeind Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:11 Permalink

MOAR LIES???? Again, someone is lying. Too bad we don't have a viable media anymore, that actually goes out and investigates on their own. They just sit in front of the camera and parrot what they are told to say. The media isn't the government watchdog anymore. They are the government lapdog and propaganda arm. 1984!!!

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IH8OBAMA Beam Me Up Scotty Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:17 Permalink

And the source is RT??? Give me a break.

" Scientists from the Nobel Prize-winning OPCW found that "high purity" Novichok was used in the poisoning, backing the UK."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/russia-claims-poison-used-against…

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Adolph.H. IH8OBAMA Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:22 Permalink

I know you trust CNN more because they are so honest.

The good news is: if the public at large finally hears about the results of this Swiss lab, I have little doubt Theresa May will claim that the Russians have synthesized it, just because she is so original, intelligent and more importantly benevolent. And you will believe it, of course.

In the meantime I wonder what have the brits done with the Skripals? I'm sure lavrov thinks the same... also: who found them on the park bench? Russia should at least thank him on behalf on the Skripals.

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It's okay not to be a Jew.

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Manthong Adolph.H. Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:24 Permalink

Congatulations Donald Trump…

You obviously understand equating Hillary’s effective cloth data cleanse with attempting cleaning the evidence in Syria with missiles and aircraft.

So what is the difference between Bill Clinton’s Yugoslavia, W Bush’s Iraq, Obama’s Libya, May’s Salisbury and Trump’s Syria?

None... and now Russia, China and Iran are keenly aware that there is no difference.

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SethPoor Manthong Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:31 Permalink

Syria gives me excellent answers every time I ask her a question.

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house biscuit SethPoor Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:34 Permalink

Personally speaking, I support all the lying & fraud & missiles so long as I can keep my cheap housekeeper....

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JimmyJones house biscuit Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:42 Permalink

So wait if this is true, no reason for it not to be then could the Gas attack of been false too? Hmmm..... Yeah it was.

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Luc X. Ifer JimmyJones Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:48 Permalink

As soon as Trump followed on the MiC & globalists interests he got his score upgraded by MSM to 'unconventional' - but serving 😂 https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics/trump-syria-attack-russia-iran/…

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D503 Luc X. Ifer Sat, 04/14/2018 - 13:49 Permalink

Stupid people. A small dose of this can be made nearly anywhere, by just about any chemist.

Only a large quantity could be branded as belonging to nation x and that would be based upon the stock they maintained, not whether it was actually the case or not.

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Government nee… D503 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 17:37 Permalink

CIA has been up to no good, along with their British puppets.

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Oldguy05 Government nee… Sat, 04/14/2018 - 18:58 Permalink

You've got that backwards. The CIA are British puppets.

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PhilofOz Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:28 Permalink

Ladbrokes latest odds on who was responsible ..... MI6 2.5 (6/4), CIA 4.0 (3/1), Mossad 11.0 (10/1), Any combo of those three 2.75 (7/4), Russia 101 (100/1), Anyone/anything else 16.0 (17/1).

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Oldguy05 PhilofOz Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:33 Permalink

Doesn't look good ya blighters! Start splainin!

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Slack Jack Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:38 Permalink

This latest chemical attack in Syria is yet another FALSE FLAG.

Just like all the previous chemical attacks in Syria were FALSE FLAG events.

Just like the Skripal "chemical attack" in Britain was a FALSE FLAG event.

Trump is a Jew (so are Macron and Theresa May, by the way).

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=630
http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf

It seems the Jews want war,.... yet again.

If Putin does not respond, with force, to force,....

We can only conclude that Putin is a Jew too; Putin the new Hitler.

If you wish to see how real wars are conducted, read:

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.

------------------------------------------------

Does anyone actually think a single missile was fired?

OR,... is it all massively coordinated false news.

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY SEEN VIDEO OF THE DAMAGE THAT THESE MISSILES CAUSED?

The 30 or 40 missiles that got through should have left a few holes here and there.

Unless, of course, it is all BS.

It is 2 PM in Damascus; the video clips should have been up-loaded hours ago.

But there don't seem to be any.

"That's not the way the world really works anymore. We (Jews) are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality (by outright lies)... We're history's actors (the creators of huge wars)... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do (and get away with it)."

IT IS NOW 11 PM IN DAMASCUS;

AND STILL NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT THESE STRIKES TOOK PLACE.

FireBrander "Video will come, Aerial photos will come"

But it will take some time and many will see that everything is BS.

If the missiles had really flown we would have videos of the results all over the internet, long ago.

This time they messed up big time. SAD.

If they rush the cover up, it may turn out worse than not having any evidence at all.

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Slack Jack Slack Jack Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:39 Permalink

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Remember, the evil people, Theresa May, Stoltenberg, Trump and the rest, are damning Russia with obvious lies.

The Novichok nerve agents don't even exist.

HERE IS THE PROOF:

The Novichok nerve agents are supposedly much more toxic than the nerve gases VX or Sarin (and yet the Skripals are still alive!?).

Mirzayanov's book, published in 2008, contains the formulas he alleges can be used to create Novichoks. In 1995, he explained that "the chemical components or precursors" of Novichok are "ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides."

https://www.amazon.com/State-Secrets-Insiders-Chronicle-Chemical/dp/143…

Basically, Mirzayanov claims that it is relatively easy to make the Novichok nerve agents.

So, some enterprising Arabs could buy a few chemists to make a few tons of it and then spray it all over the little Satan.

Do you really think that the Jews who run the United States would allow the publication of information that could lead to thousands of deaths in Israel?

Do you really think they would protect the publisher of such information by giving him residence in the United States?

Remember, Mirzayanov was given residence (and a University position) in the United States after he was kicked out of Russia.

There are also a number of "people who should know" that have stated that there is zero solid evidence for the existence of the Novichok nerve agents. For example: Robin Black in Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents (2016):

"In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-i…

And, Alexander Shulgin, Russia's representative to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (2018):

"There has never been a ‘Novichok’ research project conducted in Russia,... But in the West, some countries carried out such research, which they called 'Novichok,' for some reason."

CONCLUSION: The Novichok nerve agents don't even exist.

It has been said that: The Skripals are still alive for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. The exposure was too low.
2. They were given an antidote shortly after being exposed.

A killer would probably find it difficult to administer a dose low enough not to kill.

One drop containing 10 milligrams of VX (or 1 milligram of Novichok) absorbed through the skin is fatal.

The antidote atropine (which is quite toxic) must be administered immediately unless the dose is exceedingly low. How did they know to administer it?

If the dose was exceedingly small then those who administered the Novichok did not mean to kill.

If those who administered the Novichok meant to kill, the Skripals would be dead.

OVERALL CONCLUSION: False flag.

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Jack McGriff Slack Jack Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:05 Permalink

Why isn't CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, or any other outlet on TalmudVision reporting these independent results from a Swiss Lab?

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VZ58 Jack McGriff Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:20 Permalink

Are you really asking that question in earnest? You've got to be kidding...

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Mr. Ed VZ58 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:56 Permalink

Yeah, I can't even find this on Reuters! ...RT, Infowars and a few other news hounds have the story - the MSM is really slow... I just don't understand it! /sarc

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infotechsailor Mr. Ed Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:19 Permalink

So now the Russians are free to bomb British chemical weapons facilities, is that how this game works? Dumbass NATO and dumbass trump

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el buitre Mr. Ed Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:37 Permalink

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”--Joseph Goebbels

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el buitre Jack McGriff Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:34 Permalink

+10 for Talmudvision.

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youshallnotkill Jack McGriff Sat, 04/14/2018 - 22:54 Permalink

The Western media does not report this as factual because the lab is not confirming it.

https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985208203943260161

Do you guys ever get a clue?

You are getting played from all sides.

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. . . _ _ _ . . . youshallnotkill Sun, 04/15/2018 - 05:20 Permalink

You need to re-read your own link, and the rest of the comments, as well. The article is factual.

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ProsperD9 youshallnotkill Sun, 04/15/2018 - 07:56 Permalink

The lab is not denying it either!

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Kozakman Slack Jack Sun, 04/15/2018 - 09:48 Permalink

Paging Dr Goebbels.

Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

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CatInTheHat PhilofOz Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:38 Permalink

Lol! This is great.

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DjangoCat PhilofOz Sun, 04/15/2018 - 10:38 Permalink

Can't verify this. Link please?

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SirBarksAlot Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:45 Permalink

I so agree. Experts are always saying that the US has control of Japan and Europe. But we all know that the banking families are the real controllers. And is it a coinkeydink that all the presidents up until the current one were related to the Queen of England? Note that all of their Prime Ministers were not related to George Washington. So there is your proof.

Trump is a real president. The rest were all puppets.

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Koba the Dread SirBarksAlot Sun, 04/15/2018 - 06:27 Permalink

I'm related to the Queen of England. What's your point?

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Kayman Koba the Dread Sun, 04/15/2018 - 11:02 Permalink

Koba

Odd name for a German. And confessing to interbreeding is supposed to be kept within the family.

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FBaggins Oldguy05 Sun, 04/15/2018 - 11:16 Permalink

For the Skripal fiasco my guess is that there were three separate puppets in play - MI5, MI6 and the CIA, and they somehow got their strings tangled up. The scenario:

The CIA with Trump’s approval asked the Brits for a little demonstration and strengthening of the Syrian poison gas theme in a way to implicate Russia, as it would probably be necessary after the next poison-gas false-flag in Syria to have a justification to also kill Russians. The request would have gone from the CIA in London to MI6 which agency would have cleared it with higherups (probably Teresa May and Boris Johnson were in on it), and then MI6 and MI5 would have worked out the plan to target the Skripal’s. MI5 would have procured the toxin after doing some sloppy research showing a connection between Russia and some novichoks nerve gases. Then some outside black-ops unit would have been utilized to do the actual dirty work (CIA or perhaps Mossad).

How they did it does not really matter now, because we all know that they did it.

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serotonindumptruck D503 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 17:45 Permalink

While it may require a PhD in chemical engineering, the synthesis of chemical warfare agents (or MDMA, LSD, etc.) only require the precursor chemicals and the necessary laboratory equipment.

The ability to synthesize these chemical compounds is secondary to the will (or desire) to do so.

If the required precursors are available, it's a relatively simple task.

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Ace006 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 18:08 Permalink

That may be but your statement does strike me a bit as falling in the category of statements where someone says, "Its easy to synthesize U-235. Just get you some uranium and some centrifuges."

Novichok agents were apparently developed with the idea they can be formulated from commonly available chemicals. Having a leak-proof containment vessel for the final stage of that process seems like a hugely important requirement and it might entail some $$$. Maybe not as simple a process as you say.

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serotonindumptruck Ace006 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 18:18 Permalink

A leak-proof containment vessel?

Like a fume hood or positive pressure glove box?

Access to a university-level chemistry laboratory should suffice.

(C'mon, Miffed Microbiologist, weigh in on this issue please.)

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Oldguy05 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:02 Permalink

The glove box would be negative pressure. Ya don't want to spray the chemical around if it leaks.

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serotonindumptruck Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:18 Permalink

Damn. You got me.

That should teach me not to generalize on subjects with which I have no knowledge.

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Oldguy05 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:23 Permalink

Meh. You have the right idea.

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serotonindumptruck Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:39 Permalink

Too many years with positive pressure SCBA and Level A HazMat suits, and less years in the laboratory.

I was a glorified janitor. If you spilled something nasty, I was the guy you called to clean it up.

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Oldguy05 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:53 Permalink

As a nurse I used to work in a negative pressure room....Mostly TB patients. I stick to cleaning up vomit, poop, pee and blood now :)

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SirBarksAlot serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:51 Permalink

Maybe that's what really happened to the spy?

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el buitre serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:42 Permalink

Sort of like Ghostbusters

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Kayman Oldguy05 Sun, 04/15/2018 - 11:05 Permalink

Not to quibble but negative or positive pressure depends on whether you are inside or outside the container.

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VZ58 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:22 Permalink

Wow. You get your science from Ladies Home Journal I guess. Mix some of this, mix some of that...Voila! BTW Have you written up your cold fusion successes on your kitchen table yet? That social science degree really comes in handy doesn't it?

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