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# Uber CEO Halts All Autonomous Car Tests After Deadly Crash

Update: Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi tweeted of the "incredibly sad news"...

> Some incredibly sad news out of Arizona. We’re thinking of the victim’s family as we work with local law enforcement to understand what happened. https://t.co/cwTCVJjEuz

> — dara khosrowshahi (@dkhos) March 19, 2018

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As we detailed earlier, Tempe, Arizona police report that a self-driving Uber vehicle was in autonomous mode when it was involved in a deadly crash overnight.

As ABC15 reports, the crash occurred near Mill Avenue and Curry Road early Monday morning.

The Uber vehicle was reportedly headed northbound when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck.

The woman was taken to the hospital where she died from her injuries.

Tempe Police says the vehicle was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash and a vehicle operator was also behind the wheel.

Police added in a statement that the woman’s “next of kin has not been notified yet so her name is not being released at this time. Uber is assisting and this is still an active investigation.”

In a brief statement from an Uber spokesperson, they confirm:

> “We are fully cooperating with local authorities in their investigation of this incident.”

And Bloomberg reports that Uber will now halt all autonomous car-testing in all cities (including San Francisco, Phoenix, and Pittsburgh).

Two questions come to mind - was the women crossing the road on Facebook at the time (Zuckerberg's fault) and/or was the car hacked by Russia? (Putin's fault).

This is the first pedestrian killed by an autonomous vehicle.

As Tiffany Li - (@tiffanycli) notes, who should be liable for this death? Uber? The car manufacturer? The software programmers? Tech lawyers have debated this question for decades. If this goes to trial, we'll soon have an answer.

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Vlad the Inhaler Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:45 Permalink

Autonomous cars are so cool and futuristic! Until they run over your kid.

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Linus2011 Vlad the Inhaler Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:46 Permalink

autonomous cars are a disaster waiting to happen!

never ever would i trust my life to a system that runs more than 20 miles an hour designed and marketed by idiots. not because i have no clue about it but because i worked in that industry and designed and wrote code for systems used in cars like these.

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Ghost of Porky Linus2011 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:49 Permalink

We need self-driving bikes now.

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hedgeless_horseman Ghost of Porky Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:50 Permalink

I am worried about the autonomous scoops.

https://youtu.be/-wa4U6TQlNI

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homiegot hedgeless_horseman Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:51 Permalink

Nice Soylent Green reference.

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Stackers homiegot Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:53 Permalink

Probably reading Russian bot post on Facebook, on her iphone, using Goolag Glasses...

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glenlloyd Stackers Mon, 03/19/2018 - 12:58 Permalink

For the endgame of all this watch The X-Files Season 11 episode 7: Rm9sbG93ZXJz

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Billy the Poet glenlloyd Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:01 Permalink

Woman claims self-driving Uber struck her car, left the scene
Pittsburgh, Mar 6, 2018

A woman is questioning whether Uber’s self-driving cars are ready for the road after she says one of them struck her vehicle last month.

Jessica Mclemore said she really didn’t' give the test cars too much thought until the night of Feb, 24 when she said one crashed into her car.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/woman-claims-self-driving-uber-str…

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mtl4 Billy the Poet Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:03 Permalink

Who's dumb enough to let "boober" have full control of a vehicle with you still in it.......that said, it may be a great threat elimination tool for the deep state.

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MagicHandPuppet mtl4 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:05 Permalink

"Ban all the assault cars!"

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2ndamendment MagicHandPuppet Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:08 Permalink

You think people distrust the deep state now, just wait until Dot Gov is using autonomous cars to end the careers of "russian spies" or other individuals it deems to be unsavory.

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IH8OBAMA 2ndamendment Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:13 Permalink

This will be interesting if the vehicle is found at fault. Who pays?

And, is a pedestrian/bicyclist at 100% fault any time they may not be in a marked area?

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TahoeBilly2012 IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:18 Permalink

If you zoom in you can see a very ugly dented right front bumper of the car. The was some impact.

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IH8OBAMA TahoeBilly2012 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:22 Permalink

I speculate that the vehicle never saw the bicycle and struck it without even slowing down.

I cant wait for autonomous snow plows to hit the road.

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mkkby IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:44 Permalink

But, but -- millions of miles driven. Safer than any human driver. Yeah right. Millions of miles AT 15 FUCKING MPH because the computer *brain* had no understanding of the situation.

Morons like Mish think this technology is nearly ready. I believe if honest testing is done these cars are much more dangerous than a teenager texting away.

Joe Pesci in Casino... YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

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J S Bach mkkby Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:49 Permalink

How about self-shooting guns? 🔫😧

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kralizec J S Bach Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:13 Permalink

Next thing you know there will be self-voting politicians...self-passing legislation...self-incarcerating prisoners...

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RAT005 kralizec Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:44 Permalink

Autonomous vehicles can confidently and safely manage every predictable event.

And what were the qualifications of the millennial operator behind the wheel? For sure the technology will get a pass and sunshine is up for vehicular manslaughter.

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chumbawamba RAT005 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:48 Permalink

Chalk this up under the "Who Could Have Seen This Coming?" Column.

I am Chumbawamba.

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Hal n back IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:47 Permalink

its only a 35 mph zone in that area which might be just south of the Zoo so it would be interesting to learn if the car was doing the speed limit or not or overridden by the rider.

Its also going to be interesting to learn if the bicyclist veered out of the bicycle lane at the wrong time--early monday morning kind of means 2 am ish so why is a person on a bicycle at 2 AM-and was that person drinking, or exhausted-its far enough north of the college campus. AZ has some tough DUI laws. The article says the person killed was a woman, and hopefullly the question raised is why is a woman riding a bike if indeed its 2AM? Going home from work in Tempe?

Hopefully the truth on this is not buried. Its important for everyone. Lots of questions.

update-the more recent news is the woman was crossing the street from west to east outside the crosswalk and teh car was traveling north. So if it was not at the intersection, and she was not in the crosswalk, and it was 2 AM ish, was she on the bike riding at more than walking speed and if she was at walking speed I would think the car software would recognize that and stop suddenly. With each persons direction, I can understand why at 2 in the AM a driver, automated or not, going north might not see a person or bicyclist crossing from left to right.When I am out at midnight in a not too dense area like this, I really do not expect to see anybody walking or riding a bike.

of course if the car was traveling at the speed limit and the bicyclist appears out of nowhere, good software or not its hard to stop a car suddenly when someone comes out of (seemingly) nowhere.

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glenlloyd Hal n back Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:57 Permalink

Asking why the person was on a bicycle is the wrong question, how is that even germane to the issue of autonomous cars? The right question is why the autonomous car couldn't deal with the situation it was presented without killing someone, that's the question.

Your question suggests you believe that people should be controlled as to when they can go out of the house? Last time I looked we're still a somewhat free country and can go outside at any time we like. Because it was late the cyclist should not have been out there? That's preposterous.

These autonomous vehicles are so good it shouldn't matter if she accidentally veered out of the lane, vehicle should have been able to handle it, otherwise we have a situation where they can't be trusted.

So it'll come down to, "we can't be out of the house after dark because the autonomous cars can't see us?" That's going to be the excuse now? Hilarious!

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Hal n back glenlloyd Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:16 Permalink

nope--the issue is we have to wait for the facts and details. That area, and I know it, is a wide stretch of roadway and at 2 AM if someone is crossing in the middle of the block and darts out in front of any car its not a good situation.

Yes, the software can and perhaps should catch it but what if the car is traveling at 35 mph and takes 60 feet to stop under any circumstance? Whose fault is it. Why was she not in crosswalk or was she just 1 or 2 feet outside the crosswalk.

Yeah, this is important from many perspectives. I want to know if I or my kids are walking and crossing a street legally and properly, a car will not run amock and hit them. It happens too much as is. Automated cars will not be perfect but should be a measurable improvement.

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ThanksChump Hal n back Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:51 Permalink

Autonomous cars work every bit as well as free-energy systems: "just long enough to fool ignorant investors".

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ElTerco ThanksChump Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:59 Permalink

+1000. Best summary of the situation I have ever seen.

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lew1024 Hal n back Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:55 Permalink

'Automated cars will not be perfect but should be a measurable improvement.'

What do you base that judgment upon?

I assume you do have a basis beyond hopium and a great trust in advanced technology?

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BennyBoy TahoeBilly2012 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:23 Permalink

Autonomous killing machine.

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DipshitMiddleC… TahoeBilly2012 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:26 Permalink

yeah that fucking thing got WALLOPED

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whatswhat1@yahoo.com DipshitMiddleC… Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:40 Permalink

That's going to cost them a whole lot of ubers.

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freedom1798 TahoeBilly2012 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:34 Permalink

Also no crosswalk lines. If she got hit in a crosswalk, she and her bike must have gotten thrown pretty far. That is probably what killed her. She was probably wearing toeclips, which is why she and her bike never separated.

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silverer TahoeBilly2012 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 15:12 Permalink

I wonder if the cops gave the tailpipe a breathalyzer test?

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Automatic Choke IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:20 Permalink

it would all be ok if the pedestrians were autonomously controlled as well, and they all networked.

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Ink Pusher Automatic Choke Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:04 Permalink

Looking for an excuse to get us all CHIPPED in the name of progress and safety ?

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HopefulCynical Ink Pusher Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:44 Permalink

He thinks getting assimilated by the Borg sounds like fun.

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AutoLode IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:22 Permalink

Pedi actually have the right of way on every road whether they are in proper areas or not

they might get a jaywalking citation but they get millions in the suits

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IH8OBAMA AutoLode Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:33 Permalink

Until Uber, Goog, etc. get the law changed.

i.e. Pedestrians must stay in marked walkways or are liable to be injured.

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CashMcCall AutoLode Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:44 Permalink

Absolutely false. The car black box and the pedestrians cell phone can determine quite accurately the fault. This woman may have been drunk or under the influence of a substance. She was in violation of the law. In states with comparative negligence, she might win a small settlement. In states with contributory, she would lose period.

Under Arizona's comparative negligence laws, an injured party is allowed to recover even if he or she is 99% at fault. ... Arizona does, however, block any recovery by the plaintiff if he or she intentionally caused or contributed to the injury or death.

A violation of Jay Walking is an intentional action unless the woman was drunk or under the influence, then it could not be "Intentional". Jaywalking is an intentional act. I say she loses and well she should.

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DollarMenu CashMcCall Mon, 03/19/2018 - 15:02 Permalink

What are you some kind of parasite lawyer?

" I say she loses and well she should. "

She is dead, you dipshit.

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Blue Steel 309 IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:48 Permalink

Corporate executives need to be jailed for shit like this. Most Americans have been gaslighted to the point they think it is acceptable for these kinds of cases to end with fines and civil damages. The Law requires nothing of the sort. Corporation can't be people if they can't be executed or jailed, but those who run them can.

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snblitz IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:14 Permalink

In California you are not allowed to run over pedestrians no matter where they appear on the road.

In San Francisco a bicycle gang (pedal bikes) called critical mass uses this to their advantage to terrorize the driving population. Go to youtube and watch critical mass bikers intentionally trying to get run over and then blame the driver. (well that is if youtube has not censored the videos).

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HopefulCynical snblitz Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:59 Permalink

I'd have an ax handle in my car at all times.

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No Time for Fishing IH8OBAMA Mon, 03/19/2018 - 15:19 Permalink

The driver (whether human or computer this car has one of each both Uber corp liabilities) and the deepest pockets that enabled that driver, just like all lawsuits. Unless the bicyclist can be shown to be 100% at fault Uber is getting a big bill and no matter what their law firm is getting a big billing opportunity.

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Omen IV MagicHandPuppet Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:36 Permalink

and ...... a driver behind the wheel - so much for alert response when in a jam

can you imagine when ten uber autonomous are in an area, all with a driver besides and they fuck up in a collusion

we need more theater - bring in Mueller to investigate!

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dgc0101 MagicHandPuppet Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:38 Permalink

They certainly cause more deaths than any 'assault gun'

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booboo MagicHandPuppet Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:47 Permalink

Police stuffed the jay walking ticket into her pocket as she lay there. Their masters demanded it.

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phatfawzi mtl4 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:39 Permalink

because when people drive they never get into any accidents and kill people. Everyone's comment above me is retarded. And i thought ZH community were self thinkers.

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TuPhat phatfawzi Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:51 Permalink

People driving badly is an entirely different subject. What are you a ludite?

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booboo phatfawzi Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:59 Permalink

Ok here is one for you, when "it" kills a person and "it" is at fault who gets the manslaughter charge? and if it becomes the norm that manslaughter turns into a dollar amount fine why was manslaughter ever a charge that could be levied in the past? and if no "person" can be found at fault why should there be a fine?

Corpocracy wins again.

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Manthong mtl4 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:50 Permalink

.. you gotta’ break some eggs…

Or…

Rogue SkyNet/Terminator attack?

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Miffed Microbi… mtl4 Mon, 03/19/2018 - 14:19 Permalink

An people rolled their eyes at me when I refused to put On Star on my car.

Miffed

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cheech_wizard glenlloyd Mon, 03/19/2018 - 13:11 Permalink

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