# Posts

Board: v
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1047'>&gt;&gt;1047</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;No fun allowed</span>


Board: v
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1050'>&gt;&gt;1050</a><br />Nah, it&#39;s not like that. I just want to point out kikery.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post864'>&gt;&gt;864</a><br />45 West 139th Street, where Big L got murdered. Comfy neighborhood and I&#39;m white.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13138'>&gt;&gt;13138</a><br />Mentioning a few legendary titles won&#39;t do your point any good anyway.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Ghost in the Shell</span><br />It&#39;s OK.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Death Note</span><br />It&#39;s actually shit.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Evangelion is not only about shinji it is also about humanity in general and how humans interact with each other</span><br />It is mostly about Shinji. And the fact that the fate of humanity depends on him and his mother (how fucking convenient!) is absolutely fucking braindamagedly ridiculous.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it has lot of interesting references to psychology and sociology</span><br />Even the short description of Psycho-Pass already looks more enticing than whatever happens in Shitgelion. But since Psycho-Pass fucks probably fucked up anyway because virtually nobody can create decent stories and decent worlds in anime, it&#39;s fine.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;shingeki has one of the more deep stories in modern japanese culture</span><br />Whatever. The world of Titan just doesn&#39;t work. Titans should&#39;ve eliminated humanity long time ago or gone extinct. Omni-gear is retarded and doesn&#39;t work. No story will save that shit and magic tricks they pull out of their ass all the time. MC is especially bland and braindamaged. Honestly, this show is a fucking catastrophe.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13135'>&gt;&gt;13135</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Sci-fi, especially hard sci-fi is the opposite of brainwashing</span><br />It&#39;s still fiction nevertheless, just like cartoons can idealize reality so can sci-fi.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but overall a sci-fi work is often a ruthless social/individual surgery</span><br />It&#39;s still a question what is author&#39;s agenda. I might be skeptical, but there are things solely to deliver entertainment and some to manipulate.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Chinks are conditioned to believe their country and their leaders are great</span><br />Who doesn&#39;t condition.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anime, on the other hand, is literally family value brainwashing</span><br />What do you mean? Do you imply anime is good behaviors? I wouldn&#39;t agree, divorces and mothers bringing children alone is common trope. Clannad managed to make family look like something desirable but it&#39;s just fantasy for losers who won&#39;t get it.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Also Chinks make their own anime now too, so that&#39;s telling something</span><br />Not in the quantity as japs but they do.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anyway, a retard drooling over his imaginary waifu is much less of a threat than some meticulous STEM-degree student with a lot of ideas and a free mindset</span><br />Well said, it&#39;s just someone else doing work.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post13136'>&gt;&gt;13136</a><br />U MAD CARTOON NIGGER??/ japs are fucked up in the head after two atomic bombs, they need strong stimuli and novelty to get pleasure and this is why they&#39;re the only shithole producing cartoons. <br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;for example look at psycho-pass, it&#39;s a great critic on society and what&#39;s right and wrong</span><br />Haven&#39;t seen but think for a moment - if they produce so much of the stuff, then maybe one or two will be remotely passable? You know, you can label anything as &quot;good&quot; or &quot;valued&quot; just like people try to justify various shit.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post13137'>&gt;&gt;13137</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Lain also shits on the cyberpunk and plays the tragedy of losing connections to society</span><br />It was very pretentious and mindfucking for no reason. Why people enjoy things like Paprika or Perfect Blue?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;In contrast, anime in general is some braindamaged show with cringy tropes, and the otaku fanservice is just way too apparent in most of them</span><br />This, you just need to disconnect for a moment and think sexually of it to realize without sexuality it wouldn&#39;t be worth shit. It took me fucking years to realize this.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Flip Flappers</span><br />? It is epitome of pornification of anime with cute girls in skimpy suits fighting for, ehm, what? Without girls it wouldn&#39;t bring much attention really. <br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This shit is the best industry has to offer in my opinion</span><br />For me the best they could deliver was One Outs and Kaiji, this studio proved cartoons without pornography can be produced. Of course it wasn&#39;t profitable so we won&#39;t much of it.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post13138'>&gt;&gt;13138</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;not mentioning Death Note</span><br />Let&#39;s say it was cool and unique but not deep. And had fanservice.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;i&#39;m just saying it has it&#39;s value and i&#39;m saying this as an avid scifi reader</span><br />Does porn has value? OK, anime is not normal porn, it&#39;s softcore or even hard-to-point-out-but-certainly-here-amirite-goy porn. It&#39;s not generalization because I&#39;ve seen it plenty and plenty of times how show is somewhat weak without girls.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it is definitely not your average anime</span><br />I liked Texnolyze even if it had fanservice. Most likely for the fact it was dark and mostly happened in isolated city. I said nothing about plot. See? Cartoons strong points are visuals and girls. Without it, it&#39;s shit. Only plot can save it but it doesn&#39;t happen often. One Outs or Kaiji had nice plot and good visuals so it&#39;s good, they could pull weight without fanservice but it is so rare in modern anime this example serve only as a annotation.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post13139'>&gt;&gt;13139</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s OK.</span><br />It was so boring and with fanservice I couldn&#39;t watch first movie.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s actually shit.</span><br />I just wonder what&#39;s shit in this anime for you? <br /><br /><br /><br />


Board: g
Name: OP
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5257'>&gt;&gt;5257</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;ZFS</span><br />It seems really appropriate with my use case, i never used it so i will need to study it first, is RAIDZ1 really slow in read?<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5258'>&gt;&gt;5258</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I would say to only encrypt dangerous stuff, like software.</span><br />I will encrypt everything, you never know.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There are motherboards with 18 SATA ports</span><br />ASRock has interesting stuff, i think this problem is solved, there is still the problem of where to put all the drives, some cases that has lot of drive space? Or do i need to go for server enclosures?<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Keep in mind you don&#39;t need to have all of them connected at the same time.</span><br />Uhmm i think it is necessary with RAID right?<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5259'>&gt;&gt;5259</a><br />Usually they say that lifetime of HDD is about 4 years, but this is continued use, if i don&#39;t use them once filled as you said they should last for a long period of time. I am safe for my 25+ years in theory right? There is also gonna be the backup stack that is gonna be used even less(i was thinking once every 3 months is updates are needed).<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5261'>&gt;&gt;5261</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;True until you stop buying consumer drives. Then Seagate&#39;s Exos are very good while WD is overpriced as fuck.</span><br />You are right, WD Gold Enterprise disks are really expensive, they costs about double compared to others at same capacity, i can&#39;t afford that so they&#39;re out i guess.<br />What remains is:<br /><span class='redtext'>WD Blue 6TB</span> This means more disks cause the capacity is lower, more disks means it is more probable that multiple drives fail toghever, it is also a consumer grade disk, i had good experience with WD Blue in the past but it doesn&#39;t convince me, 5400 rpm.<br /><span class='redtext'>WD Red 10TB</span> Is a NAS disk, but it will work fine as storage as far as i know, cost is good availability is good, 5400 rpm.<br /><span class='redtext'>WD Purple 10TB</span> Is a surveillance disk, if i am correct surveillance disks have bettere write rates which is interesting for me, since i am gonna write a lot and not read that much, cost is good availability is good, 7200 rpm.<br /><span class='redtext'>Seagate Exos Enterprise</span> It seems overally really good, thanks for recommending it, compared to the WD Gold Enterprise price is way lower(half), i would like a second opinion though, cost is good availability is good, 7200 rpm.<br />Between these choices the WD Purple and the Seagate Exos Enterprise seems the best, opinions?<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5265'>&gt;&gt;5265</a><br />Instead of shitposting why you don&#39;t join the discussion [asukafag]?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5290'>&gt;&gt;5290</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;generalizing, some crypto are truly anonymous like XMR(Monero)</span><br />Good luck getting it anonymously, it&#39;s up to impossible not to leave trace.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;there is not your name on the blockchain</span><br />IP address can be associated if you&#39;re not careful. If you download whole blockchain then I guess it&#39;s not anonymous?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;there are decentralized stablecoins like DAI, prices are unstable only if you compare crypto to fiat</span><br />So there&#39;s literally who operating it.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;crypto to crypto prices are more stable</span><br />If one crypto jumps, then other follow.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;in short it is way better than what we have</span><br />Regular money doesn&#39;t leave traces, is used by lots of people but isn&#39;t virtual and can&#39;t be used online. I guess I will wait one will be able to safely buy crypto.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: c754f393238f9ec9723bd72fcd6d006690c628ba39ba1a13552a93934bfb1ee7.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5294'>&gt;&gt;5294</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I will encrypt everything, you never know</span><br />Well, if they ever delegalize movies or music then it would be pain in the ass to move files into new encrypted drive, you&#39;re right.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;some cases that has lot of drive space?</span><br />If you want it home then shelves like pic rel exist or just DIY if you&#39;re capable. With something like this 10 drives won&#39;t be much.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Uhmm i think it is necessary with RAID right?</span><br />I thought all discs would be independent but it makes sense with encryption. Isn&#39;t it with RAID that if one drive breaks you&#39;re fucked?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5291'>&gt;&gt;5291</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Hope you randomize your HTTP headers with each request</span><br />Why?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;and your User-Agent header looks reasonably normie</span><br />It shouldn&#39;t be normie, it should be like all Tor users have.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Well, normie tier on Tor would probably be Tor browser though</span><br />I use Tor Browser like everyone else so I guess only screen size can deanonymize [software wise].<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;DDG has its own crawler</span><br />That&#39;s right.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It really isn&#39;t actually</span><br />It does a trick for me but sure some things are mundane to find with google.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Also startpage fucking pays money to google to get the results. This is beyond bullshit</span><br />Yeah, I can&#39;t grasp it. What they&#39;re trying to achieve?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t want to waste my time looking for those instances that can go bad literally any second</span><br />Someone on nano linked this searxes.nmqnkngye4ct7bgss4bmv5ca3wpa55yugvxen5kz2bbq67lwy6ps54yd.onion using random searx instances.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There is no advantage in begging for search results from big corporations. This doesn&#39;t scale. I mean, if everyone starts using it, corporations either find a way to restrict it or find a way to datamine it, unless they want to go out of busines</span><br />Monopoly is bad for us anons. Link repos on the clearnet are not a thing anymore.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: d75e666ef90e8f3ffb71a0393ffe47640223c3ee70e6bfb2e03a4bfdb5dd2d7e.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13140'>&gt;&gt;13140</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s still fiction nevertheless</span><br />Sure. That&#39;s why I&#39;m kinda switching to documentaries.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s still a question what is author&#39;s agenda. I might be skeptical, but there are things solely to deliver entertainment and some to manipulate.</span><br />Most definitely.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I wouldn&#39;t agree, divorces and mothers bringing children alone is common trope.</span><br />That&#39;s clearly criticizing the current course of events with family. Anyway I couldn&#39;t bring myself to watch Clannad/Kanon after I&#39;ve seen Air. It is shit. Humans don&#39;t work like that and that was some corny drama.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Why people enjoy things like Paprika or Perfect Blue?</span><br />I dunno, because of how surreal it is, probably. Speaking to that subconsiousness, my man.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It is epitome of pornification of anime with cute girls in skimpy suits fighting for, ehm, what?</span><br />When you watch enough annie may, you learn to look past that. Anyway Flip Flappers is a story about the two, Muteki no Futari (Indestructable Duo). I mostly liked it for those worlds they were hopping through, it&#39;s Alice-in-Wonderland-like in that regard. Maybe I&#39;m just a sucker for those acid colors, who knows.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;For me the best they could deliver was One Outs and Kaiji</span><br />Notice how I mentioned relatively recent stuff. Your shit is old, grandpa. Even Nichijou is kinda old at this point.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It was so boring and with fanservice I couldn&#39;t watch first movie.</span><br />I actually don&#39;t fucking remember what the movies were about, and that&#39;s saying something. I mostly remember Standalone Complex series. They had an OK story and characters, built like a police show for most of the part, but with something greater in mind. The Laughing Man was awesome.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I just wonder what&#39;s shit in this anime for you?</span><br />It&#39;s a trainwreck of shit after L dies, essentially. It really fucking spoiled the aftertaste. Light just lost to some retards due to him suddenly losing half of his IQ or something. Also everybody in that show is a fucking poser, except for like that girl who wanted to be Light&#39;s GF and shinigamis. Shinigamis are cool, and so are their designs.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4217'>&gt;&gt;4217</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;beginning of nanochan: third positionism</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;now: indifferent about /pol/</span>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13141'>&gt;&gt;13141</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;That&#39;s clearly criticizing the current course of events with family</span><br />I don&#39;t about state if marriage in Japan but it can also be to make viewer self insert. See how many cartoons discuss loneliness, being loser, hikikomori etc.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Humans don&#39;t work like that and that was some corny drama</span><br />Well, visuals depicting 100% reality are not really interesting, there has to be some fiction.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I dunno, because of how surreal it is, probably</span><br />But it makes little sense how this things happen.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Speaking to that subconsiousness, my man</span><br />I guess you&#39;re right.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;When you watch enough annie may, you learn to look past that</span><br />I did watch and I remember moment when I was so lonely I wanted to watch something colorful with girls. Sexual attraction is a thing. One could argue badass men with six packs are also sexual, I don&#39;t know I&#39;m not a fag but I believe girls go apeshit for shounen characters like men for shoujo.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I mostly liked it for those worlds they were hopping through, it&#39;s Alice-in-Wonderland-like in that regard</span><br />I don&#39;t blame you, it was action packed, fast, colorful and had girls. I don&#39;t think this series should be discussed about plot, it wasn&#39;t its main selling point.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Maybe I&#39;m just a sucker for those acid colors, who knows</span><br />You certainly are and it&#39;s not an insult, I also enjoyed colorful girls with fast action, OP is quite catchy. Somewhere after watching this I failed nofap streak and been fighting ever since. Then I learned truth about anime.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Your shit is old, grandpa</span><br />Just like for people &#39;90 is still new. Well, it&#39;s older than 10 years so yeah.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s a trainwreck of shit after L dies, essentially</span><br />It was my first cartoon so I might be biased.<br />


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5297'>&gt;&gt;5297</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Why?</span><br />To avoid fingerprinting, obviously.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I use Tor Browser like everyone else</span><br />I wouldn&#39;t bet my ass on everybody here using Tor browser.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Yeah, I can&#39;t grasp it. What they&#39;re trying to achieve?</span><br />Startpage wants to provide you Google results, but with more privacy. They don&#39;t give your IP to Google (allegedly) and they don&#39;t block Tor access by captcha or anything. Google just can and will block any entity that steals its hard-obtained crawl results, so players on the market have to buy those from it. It&#39;s that simple.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;using random searx instances.</span><br />So, they are randomly bad. It works only if majority of them are good.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Monopoly is bad for us anons.</span><br />It&#39;s kinda funny that monopoly in other spheres may play in our favor. Like, most of the time on clearnet we don&#39;t even want to go to any sites that are not specific to our interests. Wikipedia, Stack Overflow and related platforms (a lot of them), Reddit, that shit on news.ycombinator, some forums, some mailing lists, and that&#39;s about it, essentially, and there&#39;s still a lot of garbage, probably. If we index the stuff we want to index, we don&#39;t even have to spend that much money on crawling the whole Internet. But that&#39;s for the stuff we know about in any case. If we want to actually learn about something from the Web (poor idea to browse the pages to learn, but might have useful links, to some literature anyway), we will have to index more.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Pornography is the worst thing Jews ever shilled. With drugs or alcohol you have choice whether you want to use it. Cigarettes are worse because someone near you can be smoking and you involuntary inhaling it. Then we have porn - it&#39;s everywhere, <b>just looking at it</b> harms brain, one wrong click and you&#39;re aroused. You don&#39;t have to fap to it to be harmed - just see pic and remember it while wanking, for addicts it&#39;s hard to fap without thinking about porn, they will recall their moments even if they try hard. Even if you for example see porn for loger time and go fap 10 minutes later you still fap to this porn high. We&#39;re fucked, there&#39;s no way out. Stimuli is everywhere, movie, anime, tv series, music, games, books, advertisement, just fucking name it. Nofap with porn is useless, I tried nofapping while watching anime and what? Nothing. You might be surprised but some people have easier time eliminating masturbation than porn, that says a lot.


Board: g
Name: Ancilla is Based
File: 9e9735a540168ba2b8240e5696c426eb60f80d1469527106e7b3422fb2d0155e.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1985'>&gt;&gt;1985</a><br />That is because google is optimised for money. You dont really notice this untill someone tells you. The first 1-3 results are always ads. The rest of the first page are commercial wbesites ONLY. try searching any random word or combination thereof. You will never find a forum or non-commercial website. only websites like medium and various adsense clickbait low level writing. That&#39;s the difference between the old and new internet. Some random blog on 10gbE or SPF+ optimisations will never even reach the first page. Despite similar pagehits, keywords or anything.<br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;And people search more for porn than google tells you.</span><br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post1697'>&gt;&gt;1697</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Ancilla van de Leest</span><br />I recognise that name. She was featured in the playboy magazine and was involved in the &#39;piratenpartij&#39; political party. They hosted a proxy for TPB which had more political immunity. She was recenty kicked out despite being quite intelligent and not just a pretty face. She had disagreements with the direction of the party and is now planning on moving to Berlin as a result of all that.<br /><br />She also did nudes btw, search for Ancilla Tilia. Here&#39;s a picrel to give a little taste.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5298'>&gt;&gt;5298</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;To avoid fingerprinting, obviously</span><br />If I was the only one changing HTTP header then I would still be fingerprinted.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I wouldn&#39;t bet my ass on everybody here using Tor browser</span><br />Majority does and if they don&#39;t then they&#39;re harming everyone and themselves. Please use tor Browser, I know you&#39;re edgy using Links and so on but you&#39;re only generating unique fingerprint.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Startpage wants to provide you Google results, but with more privacy</span><br />So how they generate money? They&#39;re altruist and believe everyone should have privacy? Without js there ads, are they google&#39;s or startpage&#39;s?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;So, they are randomly bad. It works only if majority of them are good</span><br />Yeah, nevertheless it&#39;s good project and decentralization is way to go. Maybe in the future they will get better.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s kinda funny that monopoly in other spheres may play in our favor</span><br />It&#39;s comfortable but not good. People will never learn one shouldn&#39;t put eggs into one basket because one day it might become inaccessible.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;If we index the stuff we want to index, we don&#39;t even have to spend that much money on crawling the whole Internet</span><br />Smart, for example Arch Wiki is considered superior yet it&#39;s not really that known. Popular is not good, millions of random sites might lack compared to few specialized sites (like private trackers).<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;But that&#39;s for the stuff we know about in any case</span><br />If 100 users contributed good links we would be fine. It&#39;s useless to do it without little help.<br />


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 394abcca36508172cf27d8b87079947827f8399f67d2302194687f83ce5a0927.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13142'>&gt;&gt;13142</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;See how many cartoons discuss loneliness, being loser, hikikomori etc.</span><br />I don&#39;t think many of them in fact discuss it. Some of them show it, some of them even have it as a part of fanservice, but stuff like NHK ni Youkoso is pretty rare and I don&#39;t actually know anything else that actually talks about hikikomori that much.<br />And guess what? NHK still says that hikkis can have their way back into society! As if! I mean, some of them might, but the society has to cooperate with them in any case, which it might not, and they are likely to land an extremely shitty soul-sucking job as a &quot;reward&quot; for their socialization. Not that I imply they deserve something by a sheer fact of resocializing, but that&#39;s just hypocritical. Hikkis are fucked and better off staying where they are, if they can afford it. A hikikomori does not necessarily have a social anxiety or phobia, in fact. Like, not more severe than a regular human, I think. They just don&#39;t want to be there.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Well, visuals depicting 100% reality are not really interesting, there has to be some fiction.</span><br />Corny drama is some cringy shit I don&#39;t like in annie may.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;But it makes little sense how this things happen.</span><br />For Japs it probably makes much more sense. They have a different myth entirely.<br />Anyway symbolism-ridden shows are kinda not for plebs. Maybe some of the watchers are just posers, but I just wanna say &quot;there is something out there&quot;.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t know I&#39;m not a fag but I believe girls go apeshit for shounen characters like men for shoujo.</span><br />Not really. Girls have bishounen anime like this that is aimed at their demographic (shoujo, jousei). Shounen anime is for boys and often has hot girls in it. Shoujo anime also may have a lot of cute girls, but ultimately it&#39;s for girls and it shows. Basically, the only redeeming quality of shoujo anime for men is that they often have good story and well-written characters. But that just shows how awful shounen shit is, really.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Somewhere after watching this I failed nofap streak and been fighting ever since.</span><br />I recommend Yurikuma Arashi to you also. xD<br />Anyway, my point was there was something else about that anime than just girls. Same with Yurikuma Arashi BTW.<br />If you want to find shittier anime in my examples, take a look at Oreshura. That&#39;s just mostly a harem show with a lot of cute girls fawning over some dude for no reason, though it&#39;s kinda remarkable.<br />


Board: v
Name: I&#39;m very Heil rn
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1047'>&gt;&gt;1047</a><br />Nothing pornification.<br /><br />A Nazi girl just sounds hot.<br /><br />Anyone who disagrees should commit sudoku and uninstall win32


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5300'>&gt;&gt;5300</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Please use tor Browser, I know you&#39;re edgy using Links and so on but you&#39;re only generating unique fingerprint.</span><br />You can change your user agent in elinks<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/22/elinks-user-agent-override/'>https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/22/elinks-user-agent-override/</a><br /><br />Dont know enough about webdev but I know there are several HTML/CSS fingerprinting tools that Nano &#39;could&#39; employ.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5300'>&gt;&gt;5300</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;If I was the only one changing HTTP header then I would still be fingerprinted.</span><br />It depends, I think.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;So how they generate money?</span><br />I dunno, how Google does?<br />Ads? Selling some data that is allowed by their privacy policy? Having their own big data allowing to predict trends and do other statistical shit?<br />Essentially a bunch of those rinky-dink search engines rose up as a result of paranoia over Google&#39;s change in their privacy policy. Somewhere about that time Snowden also happened, so people became basically &quot;everything but Google&quot;, which is very understandable. Don&#39;t use Google. Ever.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Maybe in the future they will get better.</span><br />I was talking for like several posts that dystopia case, should it happen, won&#39;t help them at all. They are allowed to exist because they are getting mined anyway, most probably. Maybe not as a part of a personal portrait, but of a larger picture.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 9d9cf8097dd91aa015de8c6fb10174b0d0bb6f7f62af98cf9aa66461a38fd2d4.jpg
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;Girls have bishounen anime like this</span><br />BTW &quot;this&quot; is Oushitsu Kyoushi Haine.<br /><br />It&#39;s bishounen anime which I think is not remarkable at all and I watched it because I was curious about fujoshi tastes.<br />It&#39;s full of Victorian England Era fanservice and has lot of cute boys. No reverse harem, though, it&#39;s just cute boys doing cute things, being whipped into obedience by their new manlet teacher. Pretty simple stuff, I&#39;d say.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 69fb80baeaf029ae7ee8a24ba755285b05a265166435e6e41bc41cc25f584fdb.jpg
Comment:
  If you are a freedom loving person who disagrees with the techno-industrial system you should check out reddit.com/r/procollapse. Feel free to message me, I am green1wind. I could use a few disillusioned tech-nerds to help the movement. 


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 7a343feaa70df6aa10d72c8a7b2dfd3a88df8f56c8f3d69bb875f727c0fedf58.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5303'>&gt;&gt;5303</a><br />I&#39;m reading the Unabomber Manifesto right fucking now actually, and the dude is too right on too many things.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5303'>&gt;&gt;5303</a><br />You need to go back seriously.<br />Anyway this is a thread made by people that want cyborg bodies and to fuck robot waifus, what makes you think that anybody agrees with your self destruction fan fictions? I am a freedom loving person and the way to achieve individual freedom long term for humanity is to enhance your bodies with technology, collapsing civilization will only bring man back to an existence of sufference, tribalism, endless wars, diseases, you call that freedom? Only freedom you would have is freedom to suffer.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5306'>&gt;&gt;5306</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Not refuting any of my points.</span><br />Enjoy your diseases and the strong ruling other you. Like it always was for thousands of years.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 1e535cbfa56611cf603f3920c3b56499af3c3a09c324954f7604ed64ac522dd0.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post10759'>&gt;&gt;10759</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Is there anyway to even somewhat repair damage goods women?</span><br />Don&#39;t be a fucking cuck and get some standards. When men have standards and self respect whores will fix their shit on their own.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.bitchute.com/video/U0XqgLSsgHAI/'>https://www.bitchute.com/video/U0XqgLSsgHAI/</a>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13143'>&gt;&gt;13143</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;just looking at it harms brain</span><br />[citation needed]


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4208'>&gt;&gt;4208</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4212'>&gt;&gt;4212</a><br />Holy hell, I thought this place was safe.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  the absolute state of nanochan, shills everywhere, commies, /g/ is the only reason i still browse this website i swear


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4219'>&gt;&gt;4219</a><br />It was, if you were here in 2018/early 2019, few months before /pol/ became /t/<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4221'>&gt;&gt;4221</a><br />How can this be fixed? Or is it too far gone?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  I&#39;m retarded. I was born in Ukraine but moved few years after collapse of Soviet Union to USA and lived in various places.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5296'>&gt;&gt;5296</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;shelves</span><br />Seems like it could fall and break, i will go for a server case if i can&#39;t find big enough consumer cases.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Isn&#39;t it with RAID that if one drive breaks you&#39;re fucked?</span><br />RAID5 and RAID6 has distributed parity against drive failures, or RAID50 and RAID60<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels</a>


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4219'>&gt;&gt;4219</a><br />Safe from Jews saying it&#39;s conspiracy Jews control world?<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4221'>&gt;&gt;4221</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;STOP LIKING WHAT I DON&#39;T LIKE!</span><br />Someone having opinion is apparently shill?<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4222'>&gt;&gt;4222</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It was, if you were here in 2018/early 2019, few months before /pol/ became /t/</span><br />It&#39;s still decent place, stop oldfagging. For comparison, return to 4kike or 8vey and come back.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post799'>&gt;&gt;799</a><br />It&#39;s either well done samefag or roleplaying I&#39;ve never seen. 


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 80c2f16f22eb4e2da94e4c6cccddaeac985a791f1d6dc6499982bd7e777d04c2.jpg
Comment:
  Why do you hate freedom OP?<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.bitchute.com/video/SWCwXeTyYh4/'>https://www.bitchute.com/video/SWCwXeTyYh4/</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5292'>&gt;&gt;5292</a><br /><br />That link shows as not being secure in Tor Browser.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5384'>&gt;&gt;5384</a><br />I used to like tabbed mode, then I realized workspaces existed.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;xmonad impossible unless haskell knowledge</span><br /><br />I knew nothing and still know nothing about Haskell, but was able to configure it by copypastaing stuff till it worked, and messing around.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  wut it&#39;s a nanochan thread <a class='reference' href='/meta/3072.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/meta/3072</a> retard


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5293'>&gt;&gt;5293</a><br /><br />Isn&#39;t it the mission of FairCoin to fix that sort of thing?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5285'>&gt;&gt;5285</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;My experience with it was poor. With searx.me, I mean. It doesn&#39;t find SHIT. It&#39;s absolutely awful.</span><br /><br />No shit, the default PREFERENCES on searx.me are shit.<br />Everyone shits all over SearX without understanding it has a PREFERENCES panel where you TURN AND TURN OFF SEARCH ENGINES YOU WANT IT TO SEARCH.<br /><br />Try having only DDG+Bing+StartPage on.<br />Makes it to where you don&#39;t have to search each one individually like a n00b.<br /><br />Also Searx works way the hell better than DDG without JavaShit (you can actually search images/other categories).<br /><br />If someone wants to make a new better l33t crawling search engine, why not just attach it to SearX?<br />SearX is a search engine that SEARCHES OTHER SEARCH ENGINES.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4129'>&gt;&gt;4129</a><br /><br />Then I guess you also hate Edward Snowden?<br /><br />Congressional bills are well known to have names that are the opposite of what they are about.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5289'>&gt;&gt;5289</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it&#39;s a lot inferior to bspwm</span><br />Well, if you want to see through this perspective, then none is. Xorg is a piece of crap that shouldn&#39;t exist anymore and WM just builds into it.<br />Also, it doesn&#39;t matter if others are &#39;better&#39; if they can&#39;t do the functions I need...<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5313'>&gt;&gt;5313</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;workspaces</span><br />Works for most things, but not for text-based browsers. I need at least one half of the window with tabbed mode.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5317'>&gt;&gt;5317</a><br />What did Snowden do again? I can&#39;t remember.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5316'>&gt;&gt;5316</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;PREFERENCES</span><br />Can you do that without javascript or cookies? For example, DDG allows some options inside the url. Don&#39;t see that on searx.<br />


Board: pol
Name: victor
Subject: franco btfo
File: 91c1096a3bd2b02375af6fa9dca04096d8ad726c48279abb20b86bc8a94739bc.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4219'>&gt;&gt;4219</a><br />I thought this place is safe and retards like you show up here every day to shatter the remaining shards of my belief in humanity.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4221'>&gt;&gt;4221</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;shills</span><br />I have problem with consumerists, conformists and reactionaries, but how are they shills? Am I missing something?<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4222'>&gt;&gt;4222</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;/pol/</span><br />Compared to every other /pol/ or equivalent of it.. yes, kinda. It was flushed down the /toilet/ for a reason though: just like everywhere else, the diarrhoeic shitters were shitting so vehemently that the shit started started to spill.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4223'>&gt;&gt;4223</a><br />I&#39;m not oldfagging, it&#39;s the truth. The culture in this place has changed for better or worse. And being of better quality than 4 or 8 isn&#39;t really an achievement<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4225'>&gt;&gt;4225</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the diarrhoeic shitters were shitting so vehemently that the shit started started to spill.</span><br />Is there a point you&#39;re trying to make here?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4226'>&gt;&gt;4226</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The culture in this place has changed for better or worse</span><br />It was never good, newfag.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;point</span><br />Yes, /pol/ needs and wants only /pol/.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5294'>&gt;&gt;5294</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;asukafag</span><br />What is an asukafag?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Exploding SSDs are a real thing.</span><br /><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/37750/does-a-commercially-available-self-destructing-hdd-set-in-bios-exist'>https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/37750/does-a-commercially-available-self-destructing-hdd-set-in-bios-exist</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://www.runcore.co/en/RC-SSDProduct-45-1.html'>http://www.runcore.co/en/RC-SSDProduct-45-1.html</a><br /><br />So are self-encrypting HDs.<br /><br />Not sure how any of that would work with 9atom though, a notoriously unsupported OS.<br /><br />DragonFlyBSD would likely work though. 


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Do you feel deep remorse about not passing your genes? I do and I&#39;m not even 21. Knowing the fact I might not have a child and be genetic dead end after all this millennials passed makes me very sad. Having kids in 21th century without being slave and cuck is impossible.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 7de640f753199b1b015d1f25fea6accdb87d21946e2dff76191d6240f7af6b6a.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13151'>&gt;&gt;13151</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Having kids in 21th century without being slave and cuck is impossible.</span><br />Unless you are porkie with flexible spine.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;not passing your genes</span><br />No. All things ephemeral and superior didn&#39;t survive. I&#39;m traditionalist.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post869'>&gt;&gt;869</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;well done</span><br />no


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;having kids in 21th century without being slave and cuck is impossible</span><br />Why would you think this? If you are not even 21, how are you even able to make this judgement. You are not old enough to have a mature outlook on the world yet.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5316'>&gt;&gt;5316</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the default PREFERENCES on searx.me are shit</span><br />No, the problem with searx.me is that they do not block bot accounts. This means they end up getting blacklisted of using google searches making the results bad.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5320'>&gt;&gt;5320</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Search URL of the currently saved preferences (Note: specifying custom settings in the search URL can reduce privacy by leaking data to the clicked result sites.):</span><br />Note that this is only a search URL, so you&#39;ll need to add that url to you search bar. If you do a regular search off the page it will erase it.


Board: v
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1047'>&gt;&gt;1047</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;literal anime about how great the third reich was</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;think about what <span class='kiketext'>(((((((they)))</span>)))) want</span>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13178'>&gt;&gt;13178</a><br />How old one has to be to speak of things? Once you fly out of the nest into the filth that is the world I think you are more than entitled to judge the world. 21 is enough, just like 19 is enough.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Elude is best.<br /><br />Paranoid sounds nice as well, but you ironically need an email to get an invite from them lmao.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Disroot are leftists with a predisposition towards doxing or ddosing people/orgs they don&#39;t like (ask Ordo Evangelistarum).


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;Can you do that without javascript or cookies?</span><br /><br />You can do it without JS.<br />It does use cookies though.<br />If that&#39;s a problem use one that has the default settings like you like (ie searx.info) it or make your own.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;No, the problem with searx.me is that they do not block bot accounts. This means they end up getting blacklisted of using google searches making the results bad.</span><br /><br />That too.<br />I switched to searx.info because search engines started blocking searx.me


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5319'>&gt;&gt;5319</a><br /><br />Proved that the Intelligence Community were spying on American citizens, despite denying.<br />Then they denied everything that wasn&#39;t proven and he kept slowly releasing more further proving they had no credibility.<br /><br /><br />There is a movie about it as well.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_</a>(film)


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;alternative OS&#39;s</span><br /><br />Theres about a billion gorillion zillion FRANS FILLION OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111  (wasn&#39;t he a french president or something?)<br /><br /><br />Here&#39;s a few:<br />9front/9atom/plan9/inferno<br />ReactOS<br />{Alpine,Gentoo,Funtoo,U/Xbuntu,Mint,Ultimate Edition,Slackware,Fedora,Scientific,Cent,Manjaro,Arch,Artix,Debian,Devuan,Clear,Void} Linux<br />{Net,Open,Liberty,Free,DragonFly,Ghost,Hardened,Mir}BSD and TrueOS<br />Solaris &amp; OpenIndiana<br />Haiku<br />Minix<br />Redox<br />TempleOS/Shrine<br />Arca<br /><br /><br />DistroWatch is your friend:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.distrowatch.com/'>https://www.distrowatch.com/</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;No reason not to use linux</span><br /><br />Possible NSA backdoor.<br />Less likely than Win-i-have-downsyndrome-dows or Crapple, but:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54in5s/the_nsa_has_tried_to_backdoor_linux_three_times/'>https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54in5s/the_nsa_has_tried_to_backdoor_linux_three_times/</a>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13179'>&gt;&gt;13179</a><br />Save this post for posterity. Change is inevitable. Wisdom truly comes with age if you&#39;re open for it.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Capital One Hacked
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;Capital One Financial Corp (COF.N) said on Monday that personal information including names and addresses of about 100 million individuals in the United States and 6 million people in Canada were obtained by a hacker who has been arrested.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;[Paige] Thompson posted information from her hack, which occurred between March 12 and July 17, on coding platform GitHub. Another user saw the post and notified Capital One of the breach.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hacker was able to gain access to the data through a misconfigured web application firewall, the U.S. Attorney&#39;s office said.</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.reuters.com/article/us-capital-one-fin-cyber/capital-one-says-information-of-over-100-million-individuals-in-u-s-canada-hacked-idUSKCN1UO2EB'>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-capital-one-fin-cyber/capital-one-says-information-of-over-100-million-individuals-in-u-s-canada-hacked-idUSKCN1UO2EB</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5316'>&gt;&gt;5316</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it has a PREFERENCES panel where you TURN AND TURN OFF SEARCH ENGINES YOU WANT IT TO SEARCH.</span><br />My bad, didn&#39;t even notice it.<br />I mean, it&#39;s tiny as shit in the corner, so there is no surprise.<br />Anyway, I open that shit and what do I see? A bunch of fucking options without some turn all on/off switch. Do I have to click every single one? Nice fucking usability.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt; If someone wants to make a new better l33t crawling search engine, why not just attach it to SearX?</span><br />As long as searx allows to access cancer search engines, it enables the cancer to EEE you. Other than that, it&#39;s your business, I guess. I mean, if anybody can have their own instance, it&#39;s really not my business.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5339'>&gt;&gt;5339</a><br />So what did he do again except making a material for shitty hollykike flick and boring documentaries and except shilling for tails?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5338'>&gt;&gt;5338</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;searx.info</span><br />Their nginx is forbidding me from access. Are they blocking Tor?


Board: l
Name: antigod
Subject: The eulogists of work
File: e04129c4debac8fc5910b1a93f347b9c76537731bf57a348426bf7cf5a52adf3.jpg
Comment:
  <i>Behind the glorification of &#39;work&#39; and the tireless talk of the &#39;blessings of work&#39; I find the same thought as behind the praise of impersonal activity for the public benefit: the fear of everything individual. At bottom, one now feels when confronted with work – and what is invariably meant is relentless industry from early till late – that such work is the best police, that it keeps everybody in harness and powerfully obstructs the development of reason, of covetousness, of the desire for independence. For it uses up a tremendous amount of nervous energy and takes it away from reflection, brooding, dreaming, worry, love, and hatred; it always sets a small goal before one&#39;s eyes and permits easy and regular satisfactions. In that way a society in which the members continually work hard will have more security: and security is now adored as the supreme goddess...</i><br /><span class='redtext'>&#39;WORKERS&#39; GET OUT OF MY BOARD</span><br /><span class='redtext'>FUCK CONFORMISM, MAKE REVOLUTION</span>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13183'>&gt;&gt;13183</a><br />implying you cannot work for yourself/have your own business<br />it&#39;s almost like your horizons are really small<br />keep staying poor fag


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5312'>&gt;&gt;5312</a><br />It&#39;s an independently signed certificate, check the main page for the fingerprint


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5294'>&gt;&gt;5294</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;more disks more probable to fail</span><br />No, higher capacity means longer rebuild times, and higher likelihood of drives failing during the rebuild and you losing all your data. 4TB per drive is recommended, 8TB is where you&#39;re pushing it.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;wd purple</span><br />That drive is for consistent 24/7 writes and overwrites, you won&#39;t be doing that if you&#39;re archiving. You don&#39;t need enterprise disks and the money saved can be used for more meaningful additions, but if you still want it go for it.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 3e561c8d43e43c0b5d6a1f1f8d08632061c35a0d562942708feb08aa1407a2bb.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1611'>&gt;&gt;1611</a><br />What, are you a fucking chink or something?<br />Double lids are literally superior facial features.


Board: g
Name: OP
Comment:
  So current setup is:<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;1 10TB external HDD for an extra backup of the important stuff and for everyday use, i was thinking of using the btrfs filesystem on this drive and using this driver for compatibility with windows <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs'>https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs</a> (i dual boot), opinions on this? Cost [200$~]</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;10 Seagate Exos Enterprise 10TB HDDs in RAIDZ1 (equivalent of RAID5) for the main stack, with ZFS filesystem. Cost [300$~ * 10 = 3000$]</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;10 Seagate Exos Enterprise 10TB HDDs in RAIDZ1 (equivalent of RAID5) for the backup stack, with ZFS filesystem. Cost [300$~ * 10 = 3000$]</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;Server chassis, for the active stack, with easy access to disk in case i need to change failed ones. Cost [150$~]</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Another chassis for the backup disks, probably gonna build one myself or 3D print, just to keep them safe from being hurt. Cost [0$] (let&#39;s say 0$ for now)</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;Generic (but quality) motherboard with at least 10 SATA ports. Cost [250$~]</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Generic CPU, RAM, SSD for the OS, PSU, UPS to avoid data corruption from power loss, PCI to SATA adapter card with 10 SATA ports to connect the backup stack for updates. Cost [from 400$~ to 500$~] (staying on the cheap side here)</span><br /><br /><span class='redtext'>TOTAL: 7100$~</span><br /><br />I should be able to complete it in 1 to 2 years depending on how much i can save.<br />I&#39;m avoiding posting the exact brands and models to make my build less identifiable, but feel free to recommend specific models if you want.<br /><br />A couple of notes:<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I will buy the disk at a rate of 1 or 2 per month, main reason(beside money) is that this way there are less probabilities that the disks fail all together, compared to buying disks that were manufactured and sold in a really close range of time.</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;I will keep the backup stack in a different location although i still have to figure out the logistics of that.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Before anybody spergs out when i said i dual boot with windows, i meant on my main system, the OS of the server is gonna be just a Linux distro(again not specifying for anonimity but feel free to recommend if you think one is particularly good for the job).</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;Both the active stack and the backup stack are gonna be encrypted with veracrypt.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I will also encrypt the OS if it doesn&#39;t add too much complexity(i usually encrypt my OS partition).</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;The backup stack is gonna be syncronized every time i add a disk and then when all are filled every 3 months if there are updates to be made.</span><br /><br />This build is not definitive of course, i will consider even major changes if they are reasonable and motivated.<br />I also accept proposals on what content to archive.<br /><br /><br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post5322'>&gt;&gt;5322</a><br />I think my worries are realistic and backed up by facts.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5348'>&gt;&gt;5348</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;No, higher capacity means longer rebuild times</span><br />You&#39;re not wrong about rebuild, but if i have lot of drives there are more probabilities that 2 fail toghether, this is a fact it&#39;s just statistics. Anyway in case of a multiple drive failures or a failure during rebuild, i could restore from the backup stack so data loss will be minimezed.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;That drive is for consistent 24/7 writes and overwrites, you won&#39;t be doing that if you&#39;re archiving.</span><br />Yeah you&#39;re probably right.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You don&#39;t need enterprise disks and the money saved can be used for more meaningful additions</span><br />The Seagate Exos Enterprise costs about the same as non enterprise 10TB disks, so in the end i will go with that.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5352'>&gt;&gt;5352</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Generic motherboard</span><br />See:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/d16-ryf-certfied'>https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/d16-ryf-certfied</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;encrypted with veracrypt</span><br />Use LUKS instead. Can be decrypted on windows using LibreCrypt:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://github.com/t-d-k/LibreCrypt'>https://github.com/t-d-k/LibreCrypt</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;so in the end i will go with that</span><br />I don&#39;t recommend that. I didn&#39;t use this &quot;Exos Enterprise&quot;, but my experience with Seagate is terrible. If have had about 6 HDDs from them in the last 10 years, all of them are broken now. The ones from WD are still working.<br />After realising this pattern, I don&#39;t buy Seagate products anymore, same way I don&#39;t buy Intel too.<br /><br /><br />Ok, so lets say you got your ~7100 dollars build. What will you download? Don&#39;t post anything that might compromise your anonymity, but I was just curious about how are you going to fill these 100TB.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4227'>&gt;&gt;4227</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It was never good, newfag.</span><br />Piss off, retard. The fact that you despise the /pol/ tells me you only got here from /tech/ 2 months agos


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;5352</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;if i have lot of drives there are more probabilities that 2 fail toghether, this is a fact it&#39;s just statistics</span><br />The statistics show that you&#39;re more likely to have your drives break when it&#39;s being stressed during rebuilds that take hours, than the increase in probability that two drives fail together that you would get from an increased number of drives. Think of having more drives as having more total disk I/O. Also, go for raidz2 and higher, especially if you aren&#39;t also mirroring your data somewhere else.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13184'>&gt;&gt;13184</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;implying you cannot work for yourself</span><br />If you have enough money to pay to yourself, then yeah, why not work for yourself


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: e6a14b4df67c8a3eec763dd206d2525c11fb95396ccb9b3f4e6ec9a24e7209bb.jpg
Comment:
  I think the whole idea is braindamaged but whatever floats your boat man.<br />I mostly aim to reduce my data hoards even when I have space. Most of the data out there, especially heavy, like videos and software packages is rather useless per se or will be ultimately useless in &quot;25+ years&quot;.<br />And even if you aim at something admirable, like saving some huge libraries of books, a lot of them, like technical literature, will be useless too, and it&#39;s going to be wasted on you if you don&#39;t share it somehow anyway, so better buy that fat Internet channel as well LMAO.<br />Though ultimately I think all you could possibly need would fit in 1TB. And all you really really need would fit in 100GB, probably.<br /><br />Now, to be somewhat useful to you and don&#39;t shit on your  thread, I got something to say on the subject.<br />I remember reading some report from a big datacenter that ultimately says hard drives are kinda weird. They don&#39;t really live &quot;4 years on average&quot;. What they do is some flawed part of them consistently break after about 1-3 years of use, and the rest just goes on essentially forever, like 10+ years, as long as their resource is not used up. That report was about active use, of course, but I think it&#39;s important to note that essentially they break not because of use, but, as I said, some flawed shit just cannot go on longer than 3 years. Maybe that&#39;s why second hand drives might be more reliable, but with them you might get failures for other reasons.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 3eaad115d78e3de9c294c12690590a0fef63399946dc74ea7ab6b8b07f577e45.jpg
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;It would contain a bit of everything, all the media i care about, entire backups of websites, imageboards archives, the medias will take most space anyway</span><br />Oh God, talk about useless.<br />You will never even know what&#39;s in the 100TB of archives, let alone read them, and reading random talks by peoples is only situationally useful, and you probably are not going to be in that situation in 25+ years as a matter of fact.<br /><br />Anyway don&#39;t cry &#39;cause it&#39;s over. Smile &#39;cause it happened. ;)


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5342'>&gt;&gt;5342</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;posting dead un-archived link</span><br />Kys faggot.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://archive.is/zzKh7'>http://archive.is/zzKh7</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5363'>&gt;&gt;5363</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;posting clearnet link</span><br />I won&#39;t call you bad names.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://archivecaslytosk.onion/zzKh7'>http://archivecaslytosk.onion/zzKh7</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5298'>&gt;&gt;5298</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;To avoid fingerprinting, obviously.</span><br />How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests from the tor user-agent, and 1 request from some random ass user-agent that no one else uses? The only way to stay anonymous whilst also randomizing your user-agent would be if everyone else also randomized his own user-agent... which is the whole point behind all tor(browser) users having the same user-agent.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;something about startpage</span><br />Ignoring the privacy issues, since startpage obtains its results from google, startpage also obtains google&#39;s censorship. For example, try searching for anything &#39;alternative&#39;, like &quot;christchurch shooting faked&quot; on both startpage and ddg, and you&#39;ll see what I mean.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5367'>&gt;&gt;5367</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests</span><br />You really shouldn&#39;t have replied, because the whole talk is dead and you are clearly not adding anything and not that person in the first place.<br />You rely on the premise that everyone uses Tor Browser anyway, so whatever.<br />Tor Browser is shit for privacy by the sheer fact it being a Firefox build.<br />Tor Browser is shit for privacy if you use it on the clearnet, and that&#39;s where privacy actually MATTERS.<br />Tor Browser is a binary-only distribution for no good reason.<br />Tor Browser is a pathetic shit for normies.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;&gt;something about startpage</span><br />I hate your guts. You don&#39;t read others&#39; posts and you just want to say something retarded just to hear your own voice or something. Shut your trap.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 07724dc36ae21b5e247664cc5dd3f9dbffcad38a2d8c30c5a54c88c033f1db21.ogg
Comment:
  Fuck all of the negativity whores who wish to bring all nanons doww to there Jewed depravity. I love this place and genuinely believe my life would be worse off if I hadn&#39;t found it.<br />Nanons, if you lack a will to live, you&#39;re doing evreything wrong.<br />A., you&#39;ve bought into the Jewish notion that death can be anything better than life. With most religions, if you commit sudoku, you go straight to hell. And, with atheism, the science currently vaguely leads to a simple lacking of conscious, and there&#39;s no reason to believe a lack of that will be anything good when your feelings are gone too.<br />and<br />B. You&#39;ve failed to understand / keep up with keeping yourself physically healthy. I genuinely believe that someone who has an intake of truly all essential daily meat-sourced vitamins and works out enough to elevate their heartrate to its limit at least every 3 days or cannot be truly immensely deppressed. I also believe achieving health in this way is not expensive unless you buy into some Jewfaggotry like gyms being essential for excersise.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Anti-Japanese sentiment
File: 493f253e53342f57d707b599115ac079b8444a261fbad900038fd6194774a9a2.jpg
Comment:
  <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-japanese_sentiment'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-japanese_sentiment</a><br /><br />Anti-Japanese sentiment may be strongest in China, North Korea, and South Korea, due to atrocities committed by the Japanese military.<br /><br />In the past, anti-Japanese sentiment contained innuendos of Japanese people as barbaric. Following the Meiji Restoration of 1868, Japan was intent to adopt Western ways in an attempt to join the West as an industrialized imperial power, but a lack of acceptance of the Japanese in the West complicated integration and assimilation. <i>One commonly held view was that the Japanese were evolutionarily inferior.</i> Japanese culture was viewed with suspicion and even disdain. <br /><br /><span class='redtext'>WHY YOU SHOULD HATE JAPS</span><br /><br /><b>War crimes</b><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes</a><br /><br />In no particular order:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimingye_germ_weapon_attack'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimingye_germ_weapon_attack</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changteh_chemical_weapon_attack'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changteh_chemical_weapon_attack</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjiayu_tragedy'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjiayu_tragedy</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_ship'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_ship</a><br /><br />Mind you, it wasn&#39;t only Asians that were massacred, White Europeans were also victims:<br /><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Hospital_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Hospital_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laha_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laha_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banka_Island_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banka_Island_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parit_Sulong'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parit_Sulong</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palawan_Massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palawan_Massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behar_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behar_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Tjisalak'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Tjisalak</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontianak_incident'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontianak_incident</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulug_Island_massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulug_Island_massacre</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin%27y%C5%8D_Maru_incident'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin%27y%C5%8D_Maru_incident</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinta_Massacre_Site'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinta_Massacre_Site</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wake_Island#War_crimes'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wake_Island#War_crimes</a><br /><br /><b>Nanjing massacre and denial of it</b><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre</a> <br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre_denial'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre_denial</a><br /><br /><b>Human experiments</b><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731</a><br /><br />They got away with it by providing data:<br />The researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for the data they gathered through human experimentation<br /><br /><b>Comfort women</b> (inb4 caring about women, it&#39;s about humiliation of nations of Asia)<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women</a><br /><br /><b>Treatment of Korean nuclear victims</b><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/387-388/forgotten-korean-victims'>https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/387-388/forgotten-korean-victims</a><br /><br /><b>Ruining American and European technology</b> (Wondering why Western things are shit today? Answer is Japan with their cheap copycats, other Asians ruined it even more)<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-japanese_sentiment#Since_World_War_II'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-japanese_sentiment#Since_World_War_II</a><br /><br />The anti-Japanese sentiment manifested itself in occasional public destruction of Japanese cars, and in the 1982 murder of Vincent Chin, a Chinese American beaten to death when he was mistaken to be Japanese<br /><br />Imagine Americans today doing something like this. <br /><br /><b>Being producer of degeneracy</b><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00043/the-evolution-of-the-japanese-anime-industry.html'>https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00043/the-evolution-of-the-japanese-anime-industry.html</a><br /><br />In some countries, adults rejected it, calling it “Japanimation” and criticizing it as cheap, violent, and sexually explicit. When Kyandi kyandi (Candy Candy) was broadcast in France, young girls were glued to the television screen. Some parents resented this, claiming their children were being corrupted by a strange culture from the Orient.<br /><br />Did you know Americans despised japs before, during and after war?<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_the_United_States'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_the_United_States</a><br /><br />The California Alien Land Law of 1913 (also known as the Webb-Haney Act) prohibited &quot;aliens ineligible for citizenship&quot; from owning agricultural land or possessing long-term leases over it, but permitted leases lasting up to three years.<br />Implicitly, the law was primarily directed at the Japanese.<br /><br />After the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, much anti-Japanese paraphernalia and propaganda surfaced in the United States. An example of this was the so-called &quot;Jap hunting license&quot;, a faux-official document, button or medallion that purported to authorize &quot;open season&quot; on &quot;hunting&quot; the Japanese<br /><br />Did you know they wanted to use biological weapon on Southern California to wage biological warfare?<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night</a><br /><br />White People considered them inferior until, you guessed, anime and yellow fever.<br /><br />You probably will say &quot;everyone committed war crimes). Sure, but they don&#39;t deny it.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://time.com/5546/japanese-nhk-officials-world-war-ii/'>https://time.com/5546/japanese-nhk-officials-world-war-ii/</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068'>https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068</a><br /><br />=BOYCOTT JAPS==<br /><br />Avoid jap products whenever possible, it should be fairly simple with alternatives from other countries. Don&#39;t consume jap media. There are some areas where not using jap products is inevitable, like video consoles (Microsoft sucks dongs). Either don&#39;t play games or consider buying used old consoles to play (preferably non-jap games). Don&#39;t support them in any way.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5368'>&gt;&gt;5368</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You rely on the premise that everyone uses Tor Browser anyway, so whatever.</span><br />This is what everyone should be doing if they care about anonymity. User agent is one thing, think also about fingerprint, screen resolution, having enabled pictures or not and so on.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Tor Browser is shit for privacy by the sheer fact it being a Firefox build.</span><br />Firefox itself is decent, Tor Browser has telemetry and other shit disabled.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Tor Browser is shit for privacy if you use it on the clearnet, and that&#39;s where privacy actually MATTERS.</span><br />Why it&#39;s shit? Their goal is to make every Tor Browser user look the same, not like normies. It would be counterproductive to have normie fingerprint but still connect using Tor exit node. It&#39;s not to hide what we use but who&#39;s who.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Tor Browser is a pathetic shit for normies</span><br />Normies don&#39;t use Tor, eventually some minority.


Board: pol
Name: owo
Subject: uwu
File: ec006b6e0552b8e33392e8f8c98ade8a5e3ff1f4290e9efbfe2cea25d9bb4b68.jpg
Comment:
  Japan has best culture.<br />Japan has best vidya.<br />Japan has best porn.<br />Japan has superior and elegant language.<br />Japan has best tech.<br />Japan has best cities.<br />Japan is best country!<br /><br />Cope more OP.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4237'>&gt;&gt;4237</a><br />Before the animefags shit on you for them not being able to separate art from the artist, you made a good thread OP, shame that this site isn&#39;t for people like you anymore


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5372'>&gt;&gt;5372</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This is what everyone should be doing if they care about anonymity.</span><br />No.<br />Everybody caring about anonymity should not visit fingerprinting sites at all. Or even better, don&#39;t browse Web.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Firefox itself is decent</span><br />It&#39;s garbage as a privacy tool and as a browser, too.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It would be counterproductive to have normie fingerprint but still connect using Tor exit node.</span><br />This doesn&#39;t make any sense.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s not to hide what we use but who&#39;s who.</span><br />&quot;How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests from the normie user-agent, and 1 request from some tinfoil user-agent that no one else uses?&quot;<br />You have no brain at all, don&#39;t you?<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Normies don&#39;t use Tor, eventually some minority.</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.torproject.org/download/'>https://www.torproject.org/download/</a><br />Yeah, right. Stay safe.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4239'>&gt;&gt;4239</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;&gt;Japan has best culture.</span><br />Copy of Chinese, Korean and Western culture.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has best vidya.</span><br />Arguable, most of it has pornographic elements to attract players, without it industry would fall apart.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has best degeneracy</span><br />ftfy<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has superior and elegant language.</span><br />:D<br />They&#39;re crippled by this funny house characters, they can&#39;t spell &quot;l&quot; &quot;v&quot; and they spell &quot;old&quot; &quot;orudo&quot;, jap language is retarded and barbaric.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has superior and elegant language.</span><br />100% copy of West, shame Chinese and Koreans also are in the game, japland is going down.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has best cities.</span><br />? What&#39;s good in their cities?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan is best country!</span><br />t. weeb<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Cope more OP.</span><br />Hard to swallow eh?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt; Japan has superior and elegant language.</span><br />That&#39;s how you know a person doesn&#39;t know Japanese at all.<br /><br />But OP is retarded for bringing up war crimes. You need to focus more on how their society is a corrupted backwards shithole even worse than ameri is.<br /><br />But anyway with Japan in particular, it&#39;s probably better than most shitholes out there still, so whatever.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4242'>&gt;&gt;4242</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;But OP is retarded for bringing up war crimes</span><br /><span class='redtext'>Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it</span><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You need to focus more on how their society is a corrupted backwards</span><br />I can make another thread why japland is failland, but it won&#39;t concern weebs. I wanted to show you real japland outside of cartoons.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;But anyway with Japan in particular, it&#39;s probably better than most shitholes out there still, so whatever</span><br />I don&#39;t know many countries where people die from overwork or the one that has very high suicide rate, I mean, if it&#39;s the best country in the world then why people kill themselves? Is it too good to live?


Board: pol
Name: owo
Email: sage
Subject: uwu
File: 1d400b69e689aa93223b00282304be931b3fad39d77f32505300fc935cb47920.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4240'>&gt;&gt;4240</a><br />OP(antipornfag) is a known shiller and full of shit. Propaganda is now &quot;a good thread&quot;.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;shame that this site isn&#39;t for people like you anymore</span><br />This is an imageboard, ultimately derived from japanese imageboars and based on the Nichijou anime, like half of the images uploaded are anime girls, nanochan is always been an anime website!<br /><br />Also reminder that<br />Japan invented imageboards.<br />Japan has best internet, while western was corrupted by web 2.0.<br />Japan has pretty much invented anonymous culture, since cause of their culture they can&#39;t speak openly.<br />Japan is the third major economical power even with a fraction of the population of the US and China and even after it was destroyed after WW2.<br />Japan has best architecture.<br /><br />Bringing up warcrimes from a century ago is severely retarded, get off the internet grandpa.<br /><br />Boomers get out of my board, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4243'>&gt;&gt;4243</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it</span><br />Remember 6 gorillion, whitey.<br />Also good job avoiding the n-word, fucking loser.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but it won&#39;t concern weebs</span><br />It will.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t know many countries where people die from overwork</span><br />China, LMAO<br />East Asian mentality usually does that.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;has very high suicide rate</span><br />Culture of preserving the face.<br />A lot of countries have high SR. The curious thing about Japan is that they have a lot of suicide while being a pretty rich and developed country. Now that is actually embarrassing.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4244'>&gt;&gt;4244</a><br />Truth be told, Japanese boards are vastly different from Western ones, and they are actually mainstream over there, while niche over here.<br />And anyway giving them credit for inventing a web forum would be a bit too much.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13186'>&gt;&gt;13186</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;there&#39;s no reason to believe a lack of that will be anything good</span><br />Not good, just not bad.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4244'>&gt;&gt;4244</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;OP(antipornfag) is a known shiller and full of shit</span><br />Just because you don&#39;t want to accept truth behind this country doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m full of shit.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Propaganda is now &quot;a good thread&quot;</span><br />So historical facts are propaganda for you? I know weebs are brainwashed but <i>not that much</i>.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan invented imageboards.</span><br />Based on usenet.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has best internet, while western was corrupted by web 2.0.</span><br />How delusional.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has pretty much invented anonymous culture</span><br />Yeah? Then fuck off of Tor to your cucknet sites with google captcha that you&#39;ll be banned, censored or even jailed for having unpopular opinion.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;since cause of their culture they can&#39;t speak openly.</span><br />If they can&#39;t speak openly then why they produce so much degeneracy?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan is the third major economical power</span><br />Cause US gave them tech and developed so they don&#39;t turn commie, they&#39;re going down. I can&#39;t wait for China to fuck them up good.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has best architecture.</span><br />?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Bringing up warcrimes from a century ago is severely retarded</span><br />It&#39;s not only war crimes you dumb fuck but how japs were always considered inferior, this changed with new generation of weebs.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4245'>&gt;&gt;4245</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Remember 6 gorillion, whitey</span><br />They say it didn&#39;t happen.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Also good job avoiding the n-word, fucking loser</span><br />Nigger? What does nigger have to do here?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It will</span><br />No, because they live in their delusional word and believe japland is as wonderful as in cartoons.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;China, LMAO</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;East Asian mentality usually does that</span><br />I can&#39;t help history forced Asian countries to develop.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;A lot of countries have high SR. The curious thing about Japan is that they have a lot of suicide while being a pretty rich and developed country. Now that is actually embarrassing</span><br />We agree here.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;4247</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Truth be told, Japanese boards are vastly different from Western ones, and they are actually mainstream over there, while niche over here</span><br />Truth, japland also has normies that use these sites, it&#39;s not like they&#39;re less normie than Whites.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;And anyway giving them credit for inventing a web forum would be a bit too much</span><br />This.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5374'>&gt;&gt;5374</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Or even better, don&#39;t browse Web</span><br />This depends on threat level.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s garbage as a privacy tool and as a browser, too</span><br />I don&#39;t agree.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This doesn&#39;t make any sense</span><br />All Tor Browser users look the same. Normies look like normies. You can tell apart normies from Tor Browsers users but it&#39;s hard to tell specific Tor Browser users.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You have no brain at all, don&#39;t you?</span><br />I already said if only one person is randomizing user agent them he&#39;s easy to pick up. If all nano users use same user agent, it&#39;s impossible to pick who&#39;s who. It&#39;s the you who can&#39;t get it.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Yeah, right. Stay safe</span><br />The more people use the better for all of us.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: The 2nd Japanese Empire
File: 710cccb6d7028a9515e0ee518e260ddb6858dc0753e0ba0c68a80681e36058a1.jpg
Comment:
  A new japanese empire will be created when japan will invent deadly robot waifus, nations will fall, americucks will see a new Pearl Harbor(with cute robot waifus this time!), Chinese and Korean women will be impregrated and their descendants turned into Japanese Ubermensch, Anime will become the main culture of humanity for thousands of years, Shinto will become the only religion in the world.<br />Whites will be allowed to keep existing only if they accept to make hapa children. Asukafag was right in the end!<br /><br />Long live the 2nd Japanese Empire!


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4249'>&gt;&gt;4249</a><br />It will never happen. First, China won&#39;t let it slide. Second, US won&#39;t let it slide. Third, North Korea won&#39;t it slide. jap neighbors are really dangerous.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5375'>&gt;&gt;5375</a><br />Not the same anon, but this is a ad infinitum discussion. I&#39;ve already discussed with other anon about this here <a class='reference' href='/g/4669.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/g/4669</a>


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5375'>&gt;&gt;5375</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t agree.</span><br />Shit like WebRTC is in the Web spec.<br />Any browser following the recent spec correctly is a privacy risk.<br />WebRTC isn&#39;t the only shit here. Fingerprinting attacks based on God knows what might be available and unless you know the web spec, you cannot trust TBB developers to do it right, especially provided they didn&#39;t reimplement the browser, but merely modified Firefox, which has an immense codebase size.<br />And about the code - it&#39;s fucking shit. Open NSS code, open browser code - it&#39;s an unreadable mess and it&#39;s suboptimal as fuck, to say the least. There are some really obscure bugs with the rendering too, and I don&#39;t believe this shit is fixable.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;All Tor Browser users look the same.</span><br />All Tor Browser users are like 3% of normal users or even less. And the likelihood of more than 1 TBB user being at a normie honeypot at any given time is miniscule. In fact, it is likely you are fingerprinted during the whole session at least.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;If all nano users use same user agent, it&#39;s impossible to pick who&#39;s who.</span><br />I wasn&#39;t talking about nano in that particular scenario.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4250'>&gt;&gt;4250</a><br />That was clearly some weeb shitposting   because there&#39;s nothing else they can do, and you are a retard for replying to that shit.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: f0bf41ff56ea45755856e7634ad6fe9bf6944604d13c74dbb650c4a2e7985114.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4251'>&gt;&gt;4251</a><br />This thread is clearly some boomer shitposting because there&#39;s nothing else they can do, and you are a retard for replying to this shit.<br />ftfy


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4251'>&gt;&gt;4251</a><br />I want to discuss and honestly I can&#39;t tell apart trolls, these retards would actually love to suck small jap dick in exchange for cartoons and porn.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4252'>&gt;&gt;4252</a><br />Without having anything to say they will resort to posting porn and apparently I&#39;m the bad guy here.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4253'>&gt;&gt;4253</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;posting porn</span><br />By the way, imagine being so retarded that of all things Japanese, some porn and otaku content (fringe culture in Japan; everybody shits on them) is everything you can post to demonstrate how &quot;superior&quot; your love object is.<br />I mean, if we compared it to some German porn or American nerd culture shit, then fine. But aren&#39;t we supposed to see some good parts of Japan here, and not some fap content for loosers/old men? Fucking fascinating.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 0758c4e43a13e7607df776ed7496d89a34f7b68086428b3958164aea8fa82a78.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4254'>&gt;&gt;4254</a><br />OP mentioned porn and anime so i&#39;m posting em to show how good and juicy they are.<br />I&#39;ll post some cute pics from Japan then.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 6071e31b8ca19d2166b4358ad86c1f2ad4b615bdb7657bcc808ba6e01f98a732.jpg
Comment:
  Hello antipornfag, you forgot to prove your arguments on the other thread... or you just can&#39;t?<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/13066.html#post13129'>https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/13066.html#post13129</a>


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4244'>&gt;&gt;4244</a><br />I know he&#39;s antipornfag. His writing style is very distinct. I also know that antipornfag has also created and participated in quite a few unrelated and uncontroversial threads, so aside from his opinions on porn and anime I mostly agree with him.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: lol
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;now it&#39;s wallpapers posting</span><br />I just hope those are not straight from the google.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='/pol/4237.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/pol/4237</a><br />lots of derailing porn, please remove it


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4254'>&gt;&gt;4254</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;By the way, imagine being so retarded that of all things Japanese, some porn and otaku content</span><br />Mainstream there.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;fringe culture in Japan; everybody shits on them</span><br />Then why trains are in cartoon characters? Why are figures profitable? Why Westerners go apeshit after it?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;is everything you can post to demonstrate how &quot;superior&quot; your love object is</span><br />What love object? I&#39;m not shilling any other country, I just say japs are inferior to Whites.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I mean, if we compared it to some German porn or American nerd culture shit, then fine. But aren&#39;t we supposed to see some good parts of Japan here</span><br />I don&#39;t get it. There&#39;s nothing respectable in this country once you leave bubble. Culture is, well, culture, entertainment is degenerate, tech is copied from West and other Asians also manufacture decent stuff, living there is a nightmare, yakuza is controlling country like Zionists in Israel, they fake statistics to appear civilized, they claim they have one of the lowest murder and rape rate even though most cases go unreported or people are labeled &quot;missing&quot;, deny war crimes, labeled themselves as superior race and isolated from rest of Asia but now are butthurt Koreans and Chinese do well in economy and want to cooperate and other stuff I can&#39;t remember now. Is this something great?<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4255'>&gt;&gt;4255</a><br />Nice pics, one could also post pictures of Russia, China, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Ukraine, Thailand, South Africa, Columbia, Hong Kong and other countries. Even Pakistan can look nice on pictures.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4261'>&gt;&gt;4261</a><br />Honestly I just linked it without reading to prove my point fapping might be bad, now I&#39;m confused whether masturbation itself is bad and not with porn, it&#39;s confirmed <span class='spoiler'>by me</span> you&#39;re more lively without fapping as the energy to fuck is preserved and unmet <span class='spoiler'>but it&#39;s not like you&#39;ll get girlfriend just by not fapping</span>, but right know I&#39;m shilling noporn, nofap can wait a bit. You assumed I force nofap and that wasn&#39;t true. Continuing with porn, yes, when bulding is on fire it&#39;s better to jump out of the window and break legs than die but does that mean it&#39;s good? You get the logic. Please consider this my answer and don&#39;t post porn to trigger me, I disable pics when I see it but I can&#39;t see other pics this way.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4263'>&gt;&gt;4263</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;His writing style is very distinct</span><br />I can&#39;t help I weren&#39;t born English native speaker, must be nice speaking world tongue huh?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 8124ef0a686f67a42605626657bc837ed6dd3eda735d17bb08bd3a8c8a11059f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4261'>&gt;&gt;4261</a><br />That is a cute vagene.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4263'>&gt;&gt;4263</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;His writing style is very distinct.</span><br />yes xD<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;so aside from his opinions on porn and anime I mostly agree with hi</span><br />His posts on /g/ are fine.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4264'>&gt;&gt;4264</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;now it&#39;s wallpapers posting</span><br />You are hard to please then xD<br />Good things about japan are: women, aesthetics, food, tech, architecture, anime/manga and vidya.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I just hope those are not straight from the google.</span><br />They are from le ebin 4chan i think, i&#39;m not sure i had them in a folder.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13187'>&gt;&gt;13187</a><br />Like Brad Pitt telling unattractive men &quot;just have confidence brahs. It works for me.&quot;


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13187'>&gt;&gt;13187</a><br />just bee yourself bru<br /><a class='reference' href='#post13189'>&gt;&gt;13189</a><br />this is now an incel thread


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  If you want le rules:<br />2.Flooding is not permitted. <i>We define flooding as posting similar posts more than 3 times per hour</i> (yes), making a thread on a topic for which a thread already exists, or <i>posting in such a way that it significantly changes the composition of a board</i> (sure). <i>Common sense will be utilized.</i> (read: fuck you pornfag)


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4272'>&gt;&gt;4272</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;yes xD</span><br />I&#39;m curious, how does I sound? It&#39;s no secret I&#39;m from Eastern Europe as one anon pointed out but do I sound like Slav? If you read my posts, do you hear that Slav speaking English?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4269'>&gt;&gt;4269</a><br />Congratulations antipornfag, you managed to reply to a post directed to your opponent. I mean, I replied to you but at least your opponent wasn&#39;t as retarded.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Mainstream there.</span><br />Not really.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Then why trains are in cartoon characters?</span><br />I believe not as much as you might think. And apparently KyoAni arsonist burned them over those trains.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;yakuza is controlling country like Zionists in Israel, they fake statistics to appear civilized, they claim they have one of the lowest murder and rape rate even though most cases go unreported or people are labeled &quot;missing&quot;</span><br />Do these have any proofs? Some of them appear unprovable even, like with the faking. They certainly faking some stuff, but most likely you&#39;re full of shit. Japs appear to be very docile actually.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 2e1da1c523c443cfdb7ec34c379bb7f692b96b7d0d573d7115b03a04c01cfb6f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4283'>&gt;&gt;4283</a><br />No you don&#39;t really sound slav, your english is not bad, it&#39;s more about your post composition and phrase composition. (i&#39;m not english mother tongue either so maybe my judgement on your english level is incorrect though)


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4272'>&gt;&gt;4272</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt; Good things about japan are: women</span><br />More than half of girls posted here are either ugly or mediocre. Not that different from the West, in all honesty.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;anime/manga and vidya</span><br />That would be part of aesthetics, unless you consider storytelling in animanga and gameplay in jap shit games something remarkable<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;They are from le ebin 4chan i think, i&#39;m not sure i had them in a folder.</span><br />Figures.<br />Just your regular animeporn watcher retard. No wonder people shit on weebs.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4284'>&gt;&gt;4284</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Not really</span><br />Look at Weeaboohara, popularity of cute stuff, video games and other. People saying &quot;otaku culture&quot; is niche are ignorant in my opinion. Look how much stuff is produced.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I believe not as much as you might think</span><br />Maybe, still not small amount for &quot;niche&quot; stuff.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;And apparently KyoAni arsonist burned them over those trains</span><br />Good.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Do these have any proofs?</span><br />Of course<br /><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Suzuki-and-Mazda-admit-faking-emissions-tests'>https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Suzuki-and-Mazda-admit-faking-emissions-tests</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/09/nissan-admits-faking-exhaust-emissions-data-in-japan?PageSpeed=noscript'>https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/09/nissan-admits-faking-exhaust-emissions-data-in-japan?PageSpeed=noscript</a><br /><a class='reference' href='/l/11105.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/l/11105</a> <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-27/japan-data-scandal-tokyo-admits-40-its-economic-data-fake-news'>https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-27/japan-data-scandal-tokyo-admits-40-its-economic-data-fake-news</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://web.archive.org/web/20190423144857/https://www.vox.com/world/2015/12/13/9989250/japan-crime-conviction-rate'>https://web.archive.org/web/20190423144857/https://www.vox.com/world/2015/12/13/9989250/japan-crime-conviction-rate</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.html'>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.html</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jun/28/japans-secret-shame-review-breaking-a-nations-taboo-about'>https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jun/28/japans-secret-shame-review-breaking-a-nations-taboo-about</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.thedailybeast.com/japanese-yakuza-get-expelled-from-entertainment-industry'>https://www.thedailybeast.com/japanese-yakuza-get-expelled-from-entertainment-industry</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://web.archive.org/web/20190421020746/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/04/08/japans-yakuza-arent-disappearing-theyre-getting-smarter/'>https://web.archive.org/web/20190421020746/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/04/08/japans-yakuza-arent-disappearing-theyre-getting-smarter/</a><br />Yes, yakuza is legal.<br />You can find more, it&#39;s just example.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: c5d6a3314c11a1fa4c7f8505b83d46b04bf8bd0457ccc9f194acdbb4344f120a.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13151'>&gt;&gt;13151</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I feel remorse for not passing on my genes</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;muh dead end</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but Having kids in 21th century without being slave and cuck is impossible.</span><br />One car two drivers. The intellect should be the one driving your actions but you seem to switch it out for your feelings sometimes hence the conflict you experience.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Do you feel deep remorse about not passing your genes? </span><br />As an antinatalist hell no. But muh genes and muh legacy. Everyone is eventually forgotten in just a few generations. Lets see I know my parents and grandparents but everyone further back I have no clue who they were. Of all the people that ever lived history remembers just a handful of them.<br />


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Oy vey stop being so hateful, we&#39;re discussing and having fun right? I don&#39;t like people shitting my threads with porn and moderation allowing it so criticize them, not me.


Board: meta
Name: Nyanonymous <span class='capcode'>## Global Volunteer</span>
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4605'>&gt;&gt;4605</a><br />Pictures of japanese women in a thread about japan is not derail. To be fair i&#39;m tired of your drama, i got better stuff to do than policeing your threads from anything that triggers you.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: 0d003e2bf647daf05cc80874f916c88fd201818264a5c6cec9ab7d69c57e9223.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4607'>&gt;&gt;4607</a><br />I thought moderation will finally acknowledge my problem and be more flexible, but no. Shitting my threads is fine, most of my threads are deleted or autosaged because le broken rules and rules are only suiting mods and &quot;common sense&quot; means you, Global Volunteers, can decide what&#39;s allowed and not. If I created this thread on /l/ it would get autosaged &quot;belonging on /pol/&quot; and this is how I&#39;m rulecucked because on /l/ such things would be against rules (hahahahaha nice joke). How can porn pics in anti-japanese thread be suitable can you tell me?  It&#39;s spam just like hapa is spamming overboard and you&#39;re deleting spam BUT NOT IN MINE THREADS. hapa derailment was deleted but we could argue it discussed humans on the site for humans so it&#39;s not derailment, right? This place is a fucking joke with you dude as a mod, second mod is also you btw.<br /><br /><span class='redtext'>SPAMMING PORN IN SERIOUS THREAD? = A&#39;IGHT</span><br /><br /><span class='redtext'>DISCUSSING FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS (HAPA, PORN, ANIME IN BAD LIGHT) = GTFO YOU FUCKING SPAMMER</span>


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4287'>&gt;&gt;4287</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Look how much stuff is produced.</span><br />Probably every Jap has seen at least something from anime. Otaku, on the other hand, are anime buffs and are relatively small in numbers. Comiket and shit is some fringe.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;still not small amount for &quot;niche&quot; stuff.</span><br />Just don&#39;t compare it to anime movement in your country. Japanese one is obviously bigger and more mature, and if we talk about animation in general, well, the industry and some prime-time shows are obviously not that niche.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;on women</span><br />It actually shows that women there are institutionally oppressed, not that police fakes rape statistics.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;on murder</span><br />It isn&#39;t about faking murder rate statistics actually. It&#39;s about beating confessions out of convicted. Pretty spooky stuff, but that&#39;s not what you said.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4609'>&gt;&gt;4609</a><br />I&#39;m pretty sure nyanoymous posted porn in your thread himself, but that&#39;s just a theory.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4610'>&gt;&gt;4610</a><br />I wouldn&#39;t be surprised, he&#39;s acting malicious towards me.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4288'>&gt;&gt;4288</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Otaku, on the other hand, are anime buffs and are relatively small in numbers</span><br />They&#39;re sizable outside japland so I guess in home country there&#39;s even more in population.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Comiket and shit is some fringe</span><br />570,000 is not small amount for one event in capital is it?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Just don&#39;t compare it to anime movement in your country</span><br />I don&#39;t.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the industry and some prime-time shows are obviously not that niche</span><br />Cartoons for kids are more popular than stuff for older people, it&#39;s clear, but latter is still popular and making tons of money. See how many series are every season and how much merchandise you can possible buy.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It actually shows that women there are institutionally oppressed, not that police fakes rape statistics</span><br />Women are ashamed of saying they were abused unlike in West where it&#39;s &quot;empowering&quot;. Some even report it but according to law everything is cool but I want to say things are underreported.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It isn&#39;t about faking murder rate statistics actually</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://listverse.com/2015/06/16/10-unsettling-japanese-murders-that-have-never-been-solved/'>https://listverse.com/2015/06/16/10-unsettling-japanese-murders-that-have-never-been-solved/</a><br />These are famous but I think more go underreported or just fill &quot;missed&quot; to avoid ruining statistics.. I even found article about people not reporting their elders dying and still getting pension for them, but that&#39;s about hoaxed longevity of japs meme.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s about beating confessions out of convicted. Pretty spooky stuff, but that&#39;s not what you said</span><br />You&#39;re right, I pushed narrative on faking statistics.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Star is the best and the original nanochan avatarfag. All other avatarfags/opinionfags btfo.<br />This is now a Star appreciation thread(i know you like the attention ^^).


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Here it is about hoax <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world/asia/15japan.html'>https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world/asia/15japan.html</a>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post833'>&gt;&gt;833</a><br />yea it will not get any better. still nice to talk with likeminded persons i think, complete isolation might be unbearable, we will look for anime movies chans etc to fill that void. today i&#39;m feeling fine but in future this one time when i will feel hopeless will come or even destroy me. keep up friend


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  I remember looking at them at 4cuck when I discovered it, it&#39;s cruel but at the same time desirable. Some are cool, like dude shooting with camera on his head, like in the game.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13151'>&gt;&gt;13151</a><br />Yes i feel like i&#39;m missing out not having kids and i hope i will change that in the future. Gotta find the right woman, it&#39;s not easy.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post13191'>&gt;&gt;13191</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;As an antinatalist hell no.</span><br />Always thougt antinatalism was retarded, but it is your choice ultimately.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Lets see I know my parents and grandparents but everyone further back I have no clue who they were. Of all the people that ever lived history remembers just a handful of them.</span><br />We live in the information age, future generations will know who you were.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4289'>&gt;&gt;4289</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;They&#39;re sizable outside japland</span><br />No more than some korean tv fags or american tv fags.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;570,000 is not small amount for one event in capital is it?</span><br />Well, one thing about manga is it&#39;s actually different and somewhat more decent.<br />There is a lot of mangaka in Japan, and their job isn&#39;t exactly prestigious either.<br />And 570k isn&#39;t that much in 120k country. AFAIK Comiket is essentially whole Japan.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but latter is still popular and making tons of money. See how many series are every season and how much merchandise you can possible buy.</span><br />Otaku are brainwashed into buying fucking everything, and most of the &quot;adult&quot; shows don&#39;t make profit.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I want to say</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I think</span><br />Now I know you made that up, shame on you.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hoaxed longevity of japs meme</span><br />Stop with the memes, there is no hoax there.<br />


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 8605f33333df69fdd20526a3a997d253c7c6dbcf9cac707f0463f44fd75dc46b.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13192'>&gt;&gt;13192</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Gotta find the right woman</span><br />If you want kids it&#39;s better to get them through surrogacy. <br />Marriage is a bad deal for men; politicians wanted to buy women&#39;s vote and destroyed marriage for men.<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://www.realsexism.com/'>http://www.realsexism.com/</a>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 16b5768da66a7d66f2a41758faf8fa59c3120d793e0841fec894ba1bef39ba6e.webm
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post902'>&gt;&gt;902</a><br />Death is fashinating and intriguing. You mean the Christchurch shooting?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4294'>&gt;&gt;4294</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;No more than some korean tv fags</span><br />Are you implying Korean tv show are as popular as anime? <br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Well, one thing about manga is it&#39;s actually different and somewhat more decent</span><br />For us anime and manga is in &quot;otaku&quot; section so we tend to generalize, you&#39;re right.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;And 570k isn&#39;t that much in 120k country</span><br />For one event gathering so much people (remember it&#39;s mostly unofficial stuff) I would say it&#39;s big enough.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;AFAIK Comiket is essentially whole Japan</span><br />I doubt all otakus come to the capital, not all live around Tokyo.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Otaku are brainwashed into buying fucking everything</span><br />That&#39;s right.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;and most of the &quot;adult&quot; shows don&#39;t make profit</span><br />So why do they release stuff if not for profit?<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Now I know you made that up, shame on you</span><br />I don&#39;t make this up, stuff seriously goes underreported. Do you think no one is committing crimes in 126 million strong country? Koreans are more open about it and they are very similar in ethics. Maybe it&#39;s in the media how Koreans or Hong Kongers portray crime unlike japland, but I refuse to believe it&#39;s peaceful nation. kyoani proves that.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Stop with the memes, there is no hoax there</span><br />Have you read article? Elders die, kids don&#39;t report  it and get bux, in statistics these people are very old and japland is country with longest living people. Great joke.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: get a grip
File: 8f19047a39b9f95af9a78b35e28227c7c826cd8ffe3629f1f29f555ca6adfd84.jpg
Comment:
  Moderation is a fucking joke. Dumping porn into serious discussion is apparently fine according to Global Volunteer. Please get your shit together and stop embarrassing yourself.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: b54b2af6549985f7a54ba2c9cca0ba858bd74d853aef377e15b0cb01dfa3339d.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4612'>&gt;&gt;4612</a><br />Oy vey. Point out where moderation fucked up or GTFO.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4613'>&gt;&gt;4613</a><br /><a class='reference' href='/pol/4237.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/pol/4237</a><br />This is Anti-Japanese thread discussing why this country is pure evil and people spam pornography. According to GV <a class='reference' href='/meta/4607.html'>&gt;&gt;&gt;/meta/4607</a> nothing wrong with it.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  I can&#39;t into posts in posts<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/meta/1122.html#post4607'>http://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/meta/1122.html#post4607</a>


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: 4798c6da1cb283a7b0bae3a2fb7591c42f0573a52fbf84290e07d9e6ffa8e87c.jpg
Comment:
  Sorry anon-kun, I&#39;ll stop for now.<br />Just wanted to show you nanochan will never be antiporn.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post903'>&gt;&gt;903</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Death is fashinating and intriguing.</span><br />Probably, but it&#39;s also scary and sad. The person we see on video is genuinely dying and gone forever. Doesn&#39;t it shock you?<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You mean the Christchurch shooting?</span><br />No, I&#39;ve seen man on roadway leaving car, running and shooting with gun someone. It was cool.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4617'>&gt;&gt;4617</a><br /><span class='redtext'>Antipornfags will be resented because of our leading role in forcing porn-free site. But with porn, Nanochan will not survive - Hakase</span>


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4318'>&gt;&gt;4318</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Are you implying Korean tv show are as popular as anime?</span><br />Yes.<br />Also you should take different audiences into account. Anime age cap is about mid 20s, after that people usually cannot stand that shit.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I would say it&#39;s big enough.</span><br />It doesn&#39;t matter how big you think that is. Fact remains otaku is a derogatory word. Like, if you call somebody otaku, you are probably insulting them unless you&#39;re close friends. If you identify as otaku though, you probably wouldn&#39;t care calling yourself such.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I doubt all otakus come to the capital, not all live around Tokyo.</span><br />Trains are a thing in Japan.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;So why do they release stuff if not for profit?</span><br />Do you not realize how the shit works?<br />TV stuff needs to be made and fill the network. Anime is an investment and it either takes off or it doesn&#39;t. There is no telling if some particular thing will become a huge success or not. Also you said yourself who pays for that shit. People buy anime series to boost the sales of the original, that&#39;s where all those 1-season-sequel-never ranobe-adaptations come from.<br />Anime, manga, vidya, light novels all belong to one unofficial circle where they release a lot of interconnected media to boost the sales.<br />It&#39;s good for the money in the indusrty that Japs obediently buy that shit most of the time. They pirate too, of course, but to a lesser degree.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I refuse to believe it&#39;s peaceful nation.</span><br />I believe they mostly just kill themselves. Or find cope in some escapism world. Otaku doesn&#39;t necessarily mean anime and manga.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;elders die, kids don&#39;t report it and get bux, in statistics these people are very old and japland is country with longest living people.</span><br />There are some confirmed dinosaurs over there and on average they live long. It&#39;s not surprising with their healthcare. 80-90 is already a great result.<br />That scandal doesn&#39;t say much about the whole picture.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4324'>&gt;&gt;4324</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Yes.</span><br />You&#39;re crazy, no way Korean stuff is even in half popular as jap shit. Most people even don&#39;t realize Korea is producing entertainment.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anime age cap is about mid 20s, after that people usually cannot stand that shit</span><br />I doubt it. It would be saying all this fans are below 20 and that statement is crazy.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It doesn&#39;t matter how big you think that is</span><br />Money wise, it does.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Fact remains otaku is a derogatory word</span><br />Not in the West.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;TV stuff needs to be made and fill the network</span><br />Oh yeah, I forgot they literally make cartoon to fill night hours. It&#39;s even more humiliating than being advertisement.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anime is an investment and it either takes off or it doesn&#39;t</span><br />True.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anime, manga, vidya, light novels all belong to one unofficial circle where they release a lot of interconnected media to boost the sales</span><br />And they buy them all.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I believe they mostly just kill themselves. Or find cope in some escapism world. Otaku doesn&#39;t necessarily mean anime and manga</span><br />That&#39;s right, we&#39;re looking from Western perspective, that&#39;s why weebs are so fucking biased.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There are some confirmed dinosaurs over there and on average they live long</span><br />Then there are even more unreported cases.<br /><br /><br />


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4325'>&gt;&gt;4325</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Most people even don&#39;t realize Korea is producing entertainment.</span><br />Maybe it&#39;s only you.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It would be saying all this fans are below 20 and that statement is crazy.</span><br />Some of the fans are older than 30, but that&#39;s like absolute minority.<br />But yeah, main audience for that cringy shit are teenagers, the &quot;shounen&quot; and &quot;shoujo&quot; audience. Then there is &quot;seinen&quot; and &quot;jousei&quot; audience, &quot;young male&quot; and &quot;young female&quot;, respectively.<br />Anime is literally aimed at youth.<br /><br />A_1KUi9zWUc<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Not in the West.</span><br />Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? Fuck off.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post843'>&gt;&gt;843</a> did you know serial killers and murderers stalk their victim before killing them? its true. you know that dog wealker you never recognize? he&#39;s either a fed or a killer. and he&#39;s watching when you leave for work and when you return, he&#39;s studying your impulsive coffee runs. he will get you at your weakest moment.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: a6d70b670c226f613d1c800252a191cccb7599d2619d2f5c2b9b8dbf0c7e8c78.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13184'>&gt;&gt;13184</a><br />You know you don&#39;t make any sense, do you?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 9ae75b86ae02d2b99f3be49053fe94e7e775f68d37ef89b89d2dd22a1df7c277.jpg
Comment:
  <span class='redtext'>Japan is the only currently successful country.</span><br />Japan is the only developed country that has a high standard of living, exports a lot of high quality products AND is racially homogenous. No other significant country can claim this: not Weimerica, not Jewrope.<br />Japan has survived for thousands of years and has only ever been successfully invaded ONCE. Japan will be around long after you and all your children are dead. Japan will outlive the white race, in fact.<br />Japanese engineeering is of superior quality. Today, the vast majority of products that can be found on the market are produced in China because white people are too greedy and lazy to pay the higher prices of superior Japanese products. Chinese tools and engines are of trash quality: snapped crankshafts, cracked valve seats, fragile piston rings are common for people buying Chinese trash. Japanese-produced goods are ALWAYS worth the extra price.<br />Japan has managed to maintain their racial and cultural homogenity throughout the years. Although you may point fingers at other Japanese problems such as depression, suicide and overwork, these problems are ashes in the wind compared to Western problems such as super-obesity, white genocide and turbo-feminism.<br />Although I believe hapas are superior to all other races, the Japanese are good enough to not be considered subhuman, and I would far sooner trade and ally with them than with disgusting, subhuman <span class='kiketext'>(((white people)))</span>.<br /><span class='redtext'>Japan is better in all conceivable ways to Weimerica. Deal with it boomers.</span>


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: 0a22b921eb05d380902dad78873327199979007fba238ed53b05ebd693688fc7.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4618'>&gt;&gt;4618</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Muh oy vey le goy da joo</span><br />Oh I&#39;m sorry antiporn-san, but white people are responsible for judaism. How do you <b><i><u>C O P E</u></b></i> with this revelation, antiporn-niggersan?


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13193'>&gt;&gt;13193</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;marriage is bad when you don&#39;t love</span><br />Genius!


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4328'>&gt;&gt;4328</a><br />uh, never. Sex is porn and porn is bad so I never have sex!


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4607'>&gt;&gt;4607</a><br />Based.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4609'>&gt;&gt;4609</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;spamming porn in /pol/ thread</span><br />I see no harm done, they&#39;ll get caught for rape and put in the jail. Based drumpf.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: bdb3b2255f2de74e2885ce11dd41f4d86ca1140fabfd50437ecc09c41b1c209d.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post899'>&gt;&gt;899</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post907'>&gt;&gt;907</a><br />This thread is an official circlejerk now. Prepare your good news.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13193'>&gt;&gt;13193</a><br />Do you think she and Jake do the, you know?<br />


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13193'>&gt;&gt;13193</a><br />I&#39;m completely against marriage, but I&#39;d truly like to know what point you were trying to made. All women are evil?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 02815b605182bd653e2123a73ddc86a3ecec840eb362b00359c07e00cc7c3a37.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post897'>&gt;&gt;897</a><br />I see no problem with driving antipornfag out.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post833'>&gt;&gt;833</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;40s</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;alone</span><br />Do these wizards exist irl?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: f6fdaf659405a8dcc66d9399373bc188f54c12c2b8d382bff77b85144a63b019.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post909'>&gt;&gt;909</a><br />More avatarfags needed.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post910'>&gt;&gt;910</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;driving someone out while they aren&#39;t a Jew</span><br />That&#39;s a free speech violation, fren.<br />


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 3e561c8d43e43c0b5d6a1f1f8d08632061c35a0d562942708feb08aa1407a2bb.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post907'>&gt;&gt;907</a><br />Yes, poomarufag was first to start avatarfagging. He was here pre-First <span class='spoiler'>Impact</span>Shutdown and used to be a mod.<br />He&#39;s still cancer though.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: a506788117e7289f10d927765332f261b0887f4fa7f3fe863add94da290a446e.png
Comment:
  /pol/ is for wiggers<br />all self-respecting white people should embrace hapa supremacy and breed with asians only


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4623'>&gt;&gt;4623</a><br />Compress your images better asukafag. 1MB for a 960x738px chinese cartoon image is unaceptable.<br />Pngquant and ect is your friend:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://pngquant.org/'>https://pngquant.org/</a><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://github.com/fhanau/Efficient-Compression-Tool'>https://github.com/fhanau/Efficient-Compression-Tool</a>


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4624'>&gt;&gt;4624</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;t. fagmin buttthurt that his shitty hdd is filling up</span>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: The Nanochan avatarfag encyclopedia
File: 26fcbe49de10e89a235fbcdee0146b8d7a8e42491f6abdf21aa4945629607ff5.png
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;starfag</span><br />Is best avatarfag, style is iconic and recognizable even with different avatars.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;asukafag</span><br />Is even more crazy than his avatar character, probably the most entertaining to read of the list when he spergs out. In the last episode we will discover that he was hapase all along, this pave the way for the sequel.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;umarufag</span><br />Is invisible most of the times and posts when you don&#39;t expect it, decided to make /b/ his home for some reason, mostly lives in the past, needs more character development.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;antipornfag</span><br />Mentally damaged boomer that spergs every time he sees something he doesn&#39;t like, his social skills are somehow even worst than those of the asukafag. <br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;picrelated</span><br />The forgotten.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 59f525f7071a30876e5dd0c6896387d1eca465c245c988e72a9bc101c354ed49.mp4
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13195'>&gt;&gt;13195</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Love</span><br />Women don&#39;t love men they love what men can do for them. If you want love get a pet. As long as you take care of them pets  will love you--do the same for a woman you marry and not only will she resent you she&#39;ll also fuck chads and tyrones while you&#39;re at work earning bread and blame you for it and society will side with her. She can also take you vagina court for cash and prizes,take away your kids and perhaps turn them trans if she thinks she&#39;ll bonus victim points for having trans kids.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 7feb5fff25aca893caa3dc11c526cd28be395d96f04ccaca559ff32ce4177780.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13192'>&gt;&gt;13192</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Always thougt antinatalism was retarded, but it is your choice ultimately.</span><br />Your soulmate, love of your life is out there. Hurry up and find her to start make more tax paying, wage slaving consumers. Your legacy, genes and whatever else you use to brainwash yourself defends on it.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 515d54e60786f8c5a23cf59b8afc398a596b6d529838335f40506316db948a2a.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post914'>&gt;&gt;914</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;you&#39;re the worst one</span><br />I thought we&#39;re friends all along. As much I know you hate me, I can&#39;t quit. I have no other place to go.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: e8b5af8c2696b5b2cabe4c1eb6f6e22ebf462698eec3bcdb372e50f3133bd99f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13199'>&gt;&gt;13199</a><br /><span class='redtext'>REVOLUTION COMES FIRST</span>


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4619'>&gt;&gt;4619</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;disgusting pic+disgusting text</span><br />Why can&#39;t you at least add nice pic when you vomitted textually?


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4617'>&gt;&gt;4617</a> (me)<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4619'>&gt;&gt;4619</a> (other anon)<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4626'>&gt;&gt;4626</a> (you, antipornfag)<br />I don&#39;t hate you. I just think you&#39;re too neurotic about porn. Imageboards and internet in general have always been a place for porn. You won&#39;t stop it from being posted.<br />If you want to advocate against porn, you should do that in a more effective way. A way that reachs many more people and not the ~10 users we have here on nanochan. For example, educational videos for normies with true scientific explanations (not the article you linked on the other thread, that one was a shitty). Or building a group of people with the same point of view as yours.<br />You don&#39;t just impose your moral views on people and expect it to work out well. It doesn&#39;t work like that.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4625'>&gt;&gt;4625</a><br />I&#39;m not admin, just think that you should optimize your asuka reactions folder. It doesn&#39;t take too much time and saves some time for your uploading, plus our downloading. Might even make your spam script more efficient, think about that.


Board: g
Name: OP
Subject: This shall be known as the &quot;Useless Archive&quot;
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5353'>&gt;&gt;5353</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t recommend that. I didn&#39;t use this &quot;Exos Enterprise&quot;, but my experience with Seagate is terrible.</span><br />Problem is that WD equivalent enterprise disks like the Gold series(which is discontinued i guess?), HGST(also discontinued) and the ultrastar more expensive and difficult to find. The Exos has a MTBF of 2.5 million hours, which is same as the Ultrastar and pretty much same specifications, while at the same time being cheaper and easier to find. Compare the data sheets:<br />Ultrastar <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/general-docs/data-sheet-ultrastar-sata-series-2879-810017.pdf'>https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/general-docs/data-sheet-ultrastar-sata-series-2879-810017.pdf</a><br />Exos <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/exos-x-10DS1948-1-1709US-en_US.pdf'>https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/exos-x-10DS1948-1-1709US-en_US.pdf</a><br />With this said, my preference is based only on current prices that i&#39;m looking at right now. I won&#39;t consider their discontinued brands, but if i find the ultrastar at a good price it would be nice. BTW is it a bad idea to mix different HDD models in a RAID array? Since they have such similar specs it should not cause bottlenecks, i&#39;m thinking about mixing ultrastar and exos.<br />Anyway if you disagree provide an alternative.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5357'>&gt;&gt;5357</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The statistics show that you&#39;re more likely to have your drives break when it&#39;s being stressed during rebuilds</span><br />It&#39;s not like it don&#39;t trust you but can you link some sources?<br />So how do you suggest to change my setup? 17(active) + 17(backup) = 34 6TB HDDs? That is a lot of disks!<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Also, go for raidz2 and higher, especially if you aren&#39;t also mirroring your data somewhere else.</span><br />As i said in other posts i will setup a mirrored backup.<br />The ZFS RAID calculator gives me<br />88.44TB of usable space with RAIDZ1<br />75.81TB of usable space with RAIDZ2<br />66.33TB of usable space with RAIDZ3<br />i lose 13TB or the equivalent of 400$ to switch from RAIDZ1 to RAIDZ2, i don&#39;t think it&#39;s worth it considering i have a backup.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Ok, so lets say you got your ~7100 dollars build. What will you download?</span><br />Lossless music, cracked/drm free vidya, movies/anime possibly in bluray quality, comics/manga at the highest definition i can find, porn/hentai cause sadpanda will be avenged, all literature i can find (libgen/scihub), open source software/OS with sources, old software/abandonware, cracked proprietary software since it gets taken down often, retro vidya roms since they are under attack, vidya mods, all osu beatmaps cause sometime they are taken down for copyright, imageboards archives, archives of various other websites(this depends if i can get my head around crawlers and stuff and would deserve its own thread), scientific data like photos/videos from space/nature, 3D models for 3D printing, endangered content in general like the new zeland shooting video. I probably forgot some stuff, i should make a better list.<br />The main purpose of this project is to avoid the loss of information in general, this means that i need to avoid lossy compression as much as i can, so i will try to always go for the original/uncompressed/losslessly compressed versions.<br />I accept ideas on what else to archive!<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5360'>&gt;&gt;5360</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post5362'>&gt;&gt;5362</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hard drives are kinda weird</span><br />Can you link the report source?<br />Having parity+backup will help against possible manifacture flaws, can&#39;t do more than that.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it&#39;s going to be wasted on you if you don&#39;t share it somehow anyway</span><br />I will share it of course i thougt it was obvious, well not the whole 100TB cause it&#39;s impossible, but if stuff gets taken down or becomes hard to get for any reasons i will, silently, without attracting heat, put it back online with p2p networks and/or pass it to public archives services.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Most of the data out there, especially heavy, like videos and software packages is rather useless per se or will be ultimately useless in &quot;25+ years&quot;.</span><br />Videos in bluray quality probably won&#39;t become obsolete even in 25 years, keeping the software, in particular the code, is really important so that it will be possible to recreate &quot;old&quot; systems in the future. For all we know 25 years from now everything could be in the cloud, and you won&#39;t have access to software or files in general.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Though ultimately I think all you could possibly need would fit in 1TB. And all you really really need would fit in 100GB, probably.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Oh God, talk about useless.</span><br />Technically you don&#39;t &quot;need&quot; a computer or data to survive in the first place, so all you need is 0bits of storage space, people lived that way for millennia, &quot;need&quot; is relative to your situation, for example a man that is dying of thirst in the desert needs a cup of water more than somebody swimming in a lake, in the situation of the modern information age data is needed in a way and just as the cup of water in my example gains value if there is scarcity of water, data gains value is there is scarcity of data or if the data is difficult to access(DRM, cloud only, etc), what i&#39;m trying to get to is that stuff that you think is not important or needed now, may gain importance and become valuable if it is banned or made difficult to access. Another aspect is the historical one, you would think that in the information age it would be impossible to hide or make information disappear right? And yet look at china, they are really good at modifying history, this is part of why i want to archive stuff like imageboards and other websites.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You will never even know what&#39;s in the 100TB of archives</span><br />Keyword/regex search is a thing lul.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;let alone read them</span><br />I read imageboard archives all the time, it&#39;s like time travelling, i would really like to have early 4chan archives but it seems they all got lost or never existed.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;Be born in Communist country</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;know Communism is of the jew</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;go to /leftypol/</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;make them aware of the overwhelming jewish involvement in slavery in the US</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;get banned right away for posting the evidence and infographs</span><br /><br />You can&#39;t help the brainwashed, they need to learn to help themselves.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: a7777cd68498db080539862585f310d9e8488dae3a3b8b1470794e2bbe56ea0f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4236'>&gt;&gt;4236</a><br />I&#39;m here from the very beggining dear /pol/tard. Go circlejerk over martians there.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4331'>&gt;&gt;4331</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You can&#39;t help the brainwashed, they need to learn to help themselves.</span><br />Fuck them. They are useful idiots. If communism ever win they&#39;ll be killed because they are not needed anymore. They are freedom hating lazy fucks that only support communism because they want gibs. The communist overlords will hate them because they&#39;re lazy leeches--complete your work quota comrades or off to the gulag is what they&#39;ll be met with.


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4333'>&gt;&gt;4333</a><br />Evil just like capitalism or &quot;national&quot; &quot;socialism&quot;.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: 9f4d0b231675aa6e75dd343717f75902de916275d5ca899bba4005693bfd67df.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4628'>&gt;&gt;4628</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;scientific explanations</span><br />/pol/ will never stop astonishing me with their &quot;arguments&quot;. Scientific explanations are for retards, if you can&#39;t argue like human on field where intelligence, emotion and all the things which make one human are involved, then don&#39;t.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;impose your moral views on people and expect it to work out well</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;moral views</span><br />I think he&#39;s pro-porn shill, otherwise he wouldn&#39;t be shilling for <span class='kiketext'>(((industry)))</span> so hard and so often. He created &quot;problem&quot; out of thin air. Or he&#39;s just aryan, who knows. Although one thing is sure, that he&#39;s incel.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13151'>&gt;&gt;13151</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Having kids in 21th century without being slave and cuck is impossible.</span><br />It&#39;s not impossible, it&#39;s just hard work.  Don&#39;t become one of those lazy modern parents, the ones who allow their kids to be raised by youtube algorithms; instead, raise your kids in a way similar to the way you were raised--unless of course you yourself are a slave and a cuck, in which case you have a much bigger issue to reflect on.  You might think that technology has made this impossible, but I assure that it is--at least to some extent--possible.<br />And at the end of the day, what does this hopeless despair accomplish?  You&#39;re not even truly an adult yet and you want to write off your whole life as pointless before it&#39;s even begun?  I&#39;m in the same boat as you nanon, but I&#39;m at least going to try and make a life worth living for myself in this shithole of a world.  Think the world would be a whole lot better if everyone just thought for a moment and tried.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1608'>&gt;&gt;1608</a><br /><br />high contrast of colors can damage your eyes. just keep light on in your room and leave default setting. dont have lights? well dont look at our screen right away. let you eyes adjust before directly staring at it.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;Are they [searx.info] blocking Tor?</span><br /><br />No.  Works fine for me.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Do I have to click every single one?</span><br /><br />No, that would be retarded.<br />Some suggestions were given in <a class='reference' href='#post5316'>&gt;&gt;5316</a> , such as <br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Try having only DDG+Bing+StartPage on.</span><br /><br />Or you could use an instance that has default preferences that you like better (coughcoughsearx.infocoughcough).


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5401'>&gt;&gt;5401</a><br /><br />The US Navy paid to have it extended back in 2014, I wonder if they are still using it or not:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.rt.com/usa/270526-navy-millions-windows-xp/'>https://www.rt.com/usa/270526-navy-millions-windows-xp/</a><br /><br />Says until 2017, but who knows.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post2915'>&gt;&gt;2915</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt; the more likely you will need multiple OSs OS</span><br /><br />yeop. Windows is superior for visual/audio software dev. Where as linux will always be the place I go to for scripting/coding. As of now, UNIX is what I use to learn commands, system administration, openbsd feels like a sandbox, a go to place for learning how it &quot;works&quot;


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4849'>&gt;&gt;4849</a><br />lol you fucking newfag. if you don&#39;t manually code a network request in c for every single webpage and post you make then you should go back to reddit


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post913'>&gt;&gt;913</a><br />Whoah, hackass. No need to be so hostile towards your first moderator.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post919'>&gt;&gt;919</a><br />You don&#39;t need to hax anything, just bring an fm transmitter around and run your own pirate radio on top of regular stations


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  &quot;Isis Agora Lovecruft&quot; (powerword: Sarah Michelle Reichwein) has been going around for several years accusing people prominent in the technology and cryptography communities of sexual harassment and even rape. Now she&#39;s being sued for libel.<br /><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/todd-v-reichwein/'>https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/todd-v-reichwein/</a><br /><br />You may remember when this insane Jew slut accused Jacob Appelbaum of all kinds of sexual misbehavior and got him booted from the Tor Project. They (yes, they caught the gender theory bug and now identifies as &quot;nonbinary&quot;) then went after several other people, including Nadim Kobeissi (of CryptoCat fame) and, apparently, Peter Todd, the guy who&#39;s suing her (yeah, I&#39;m not actually going to play the retarded pronoun game).<br /><br />It&#39;s interesting because some of the affidavits submitted form a veritable who&#39;s-who of modern crypto. Appelbaum submitted one, and so did Daniel J. Bernstein, and Nadim Kobeissi. The court documents and affidavits are interesting to read; Appelbaum refers to Reichwein as &quot;they&quot; throughout, respecting her prounouns, so he&#39;s still a faggot cuck even after these crazy twitter trannies tried to destroy his life.<br /><br />Because it&#39;s a lawsuit being filed in California, almost everyone mentioned in it is either Jewish or Asian, of course. Reichwein, Appelbaum, Rosenfeld, Bernstein, Ryu, Kwun. It&#39;s going to be Jews jewing Jews under the supervision of Asians. <br /><br />|<br />|&gt;<br />|<br />|₪<br />|_<br />


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;got him booted from the Tor Project</span><br />Not just Tor. The accusation *completely* ruined his life and it wasn&#39;t even proved he did something.<br />Pic related.<br />From what I remember he was studying in Neatherlands and vanished from the internet after that.<br />I was a shame, I really liked his talks on CCC.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;so he&#39;s still a faggot cuck</span><br />He always was left-wing and openly bisexual. That makes it even more strange, since he respected transsexual people so much and go accused of rape by one.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5409'>&gt;&gt;5409</a><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;I was a shame</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It was a shame</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;and go accused</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;and got accused</span><br />Fix.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5406'>&gt;&gt;5406</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;not printing your own NIC</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;not running a ISP</span><br />Heh.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post924'>&gt;&gt;924</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hackass</span><br />Why do you think I&#39;m Hapase? Besides both being hapas of course.<br />I&#39;m not Hapase, but you might otherwise know me as the original 8/b/ lainfag. Not this one <a class='reference' href='#post914'>&gt;&gt;914</a> though, since coming to nanochan I&#39;ve come to dislike lain posters because of their prospensity towards leftist viewpoints. Also, most lain niggers tend to be cumskins, and I don&#39;t want to be associated with them.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post926'>&gt;&gt;926</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;why</span><br />Because you are underage just like him.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 7db04808d9c15dd7bb2088b98c0a0c26315a03bb0bd2b00becff869f8073a027.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5409'>&gt;&gt;5409</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Not just Tor. The accusation *completely* ruined his life and it wasn&#39;t even proved he did something.</span><br />To be fair, they didn&#39;t manage to get him kicked out of his doctoral program. He&#39;s still there. But, yeah, they did fuck with his life hard.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5413'>&gt;&gt;5413</a><br />No idea what you&#39;re on about. They&#39;re all Jews, except for Todd maybe. And Kobeissi, but he&#39;s another type of Semite.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;&gt;/pol/4202</span><br />Is against the rules due to being a thread about communism, a jewish ideology.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13215'>&gt;&gt;13215</a><br />The problem is that when your wife divorces you, you&#39;ll get 50% custody, at best. And you&#39;ll have no control over how your kid(s) is/are raised the other 50% of the time. 


Board: meta
Name: fuck ideology
Subject: cheer
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4636'>&gt;&gt;4636</a> /g/ is for technology and related things, what is discussed are politics and mediocre controlled opposition at best, with premise being drama/politics<br /><a class='reference' href='#post4639'>&gt;&gt;4639</a><br />/pol/ is for politics and while no politics are discussed, it still has politics premise


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: bf2b97fbdbdc25657cbab79f96d647dd58292bca1e2ad4912520e0dd26e33cf9.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5381'>&gt;&gt;5381</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Can you link the report source?</span><br />No, but I think you don&#39;t need it.<br />You see, if that is how HDDs behave in real life, any similar report would state the same facts. If not, well, maybe that particular report was some aberration.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;silently, without attracting heat, put it back online</span><br />This seems like wishful thinking. There is no way you become vague useful to the public and don&#39;t attract public attention.<br />I mean, not particularly you, as you are to be anonymous, but your uploads and distribution channels.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Videos in bluray quality probably won&#39;t become obsolete</span><br />What I was getting at is that they are garbage. Fucking digital entertainment is what they are. They are widely distributed because people want them, not really because people keep archives of the shit. Of course, the pirate scene works, but they are the means of getting the content out there in the first place.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;keeping the software, in particular the code, is really important so that it will be possible to recreate &quot;old&quot; systems in the future.</span><br />What you need is the actual old systems (hardware) and documentation for programmers, like Intel manuals, ARM manuals etc. Old dead code that nobody knows how works is a really bad idea to revive.<br />Also you would have the genuinity confirmation problem. MSDN images were confirmed genuine by  cryptographic hash checksums, and now MSDN checksums are not available publicly anymore (at the very least), so there is no reason to trust any of the MSDN images out there. Any lists of checksums preserved from disappearing might be tampered with. There is no reason to trust your archive in particular. Only users who can confirm that your data is genuine would be able to make use of your archive.<br />Like, it sounds tinfoil, but it all depends on the threat level.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Technically you don&#39;t &quot;need&quot; a computer or data to survive in the first place</span><br />What I&#39;m getting at is that you need a computer to do your work, not to be a library for everyone in the world. And there is only so much you can read in the first place. Like, there is NO way in hell you read even 1TB of imageboard archives, possibly in a lifetime.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;data gains value is there is scarcity of data or if the data is difficult to access</span><br />This is horseshit. Data gains value through the utility only. Archaeology may be a hobby, but not a necessity.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;you would think that in the information age it would be impossible to hide or make information disappear right?</span><br />If information causes a public uproar, it&#39;s virtually impossible.<br />If it&#39;s some talks from the Internet, a lot of them have disappeared already, and you don&#39;t even know they existed. And nobody cares. You don&#39;t care about some posts disappearing from Nanochan, and not all of them were spam, mind you.<br />This is a fucking joke.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Keyword/regex search is a thing lul.</span><br />Enter some search pattern on a 1TB archive. The results will be probably hundreds of megabytes of matches. It is unreadable.<br />And anyway you have to know what to look for. Moot point entirely.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I read imageboard archives all the time</span><br />Well, you are probably braindamaged, sorry.<br />I, on the other hand, write them. xD<br /><br />Anyway, I don&#39;t really seek to prevent you from hoarding a lot of useless shit here. I&#39;m just expressing my opinion. Like maybe 1% of your data will be actually useful and that&#39;s fine. Worth, maybe. I just think it would be more effective to not just upload all the junk you see on the Interwebz.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 887a91e3a3667083de1e8fa5f9ab055d5c434eb570a15d8f3380d7bc167d317e.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5415'>&gt;&gt;5415</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but MUH  <span class='redtext'><b><i><u>J O O S</u></b></i></span>  did it, it can&#39;t possibly be our fault!</span><br />Fully &quot;Ethnic Jews&quot; are those in Israel. The ones who are shitskins. The people living in (formerly) white countries are not jews. They may have a small amount of jewish DNA, but they are mostly (99+%) cumskin.<br />Furthermore, pure cumskins exhibit similar behavior. Talk to the average cumskin about political matters and he will cuck to jews, cuck to niggers, cuck to shitskins entirely. White men are incapable of fighting back. They are cucks. They are soft, weak chicken-shit pussies.<br />Whites are directly responsible for their own downfall. They are responsible for spreading their nonfunctional progressive ideologies to Asia, Africa and other third world shitholes, ensuring their demise too. The white race is a cancerous stain of shit upon the earth. It will be eradicated for great justice through their own actions.<br />Even if jews were responsible for starting and spreading societal cancer (they may well be), it is Whites who willingly implement it. It is Whites who spread it to other countries. It is Whites who provide funds and military aid to the stronghold of kikes. Jews would get nowhere without the full and conscious co-operation of Whites, since jews and demi-jews are physically weak and small in number. Whites are the architects of their own downfall. All of their achievements will be wiped off the planet by their own actions, and we will inherit the earth.<br /><span class='redtext'>HAIL EURASIA</span><br /><span class='redtext'>HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES</span><br /><br />Who fought for the benefit of Jews in World War 2?<br />Who blindly believed in the Holocaust story, teaching it to their children and grandchildren?<br />Who created an entire country for the Jews in 1948?<br />Whose country fights for the preservation of Israel to this day?<br />Who provides extensive protection of jews against violence, criticism and questioning?<br />Who gives the jews $3,800,000,000 per year?<br /><b>It is White people who do all this. Whites are responsible.</b><br /><span class='redtext'>The prerequisite to Hitler&#39;s &quot;Final Solution&quot; is White Genocide.</span><br />I have to admit, he did quite a good job of killing whites in World War 2. Was Hitler secretly based?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 5cd609af529441e3b84cb0337a8696b3f098fa3c74dec8b34815a5031d15a78d.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post927'>&gt;&gt;927</a><br />Are you jealous gramps? Are you jealous I can jump 2 meters without decimating my hips and spine?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: f91a4763270ad7b217f24153e86527f38bf6669e54097b43bffeed6de41aeaa7.jpg
Comment:
  Whites are lazy, greedy, degenerate scum. They always choose the <i>easy</i> option rather than one that is best for them. They are sellouts, plain and simple. Here are a few of the most obvious examples of their characteristics:<br /><br />  * Whites helped the jewish financial system by taking out usurious loans rather than saving money and buying what they wanted to. This forced other whites to do the same in order to compete, and directly led to today&#39;s jewish-influenced financial system. Thousands of years later, debt is a part of everyday life (student loans etc).<br />  * Whites imported niggers to pick their cotton rather than doing the work themselves to pick their own cotton. This eventually led to niggers unifying and gaining power over whites. Nowadays, whites worship nigger culture and let niggers fuck their women.<br />  * Whites imported spics and hire illegal spics to do their low wage jobs rather than paying some high school student to do it. This has resulted in spics becoming ~20% of the US population. Spics are now a majority in a large number of important US cities and are starting to gain political power.<br />  * Whites imported low-quality shitty Chinese goods because they are cheap, instead of buying higher quality products. Whites would rather buy the same piece of shit 10 times than spend the money once. Because of this, any hand tool, power tool, piece of machinery, plastic item, item of cutlery, or item of clothing is likely to be manufactured in China. Western manufacturing has thus been killed off, and China is now about to become more powerful than the United States.<br /><br />White people are simply irresponsible and lack forward thinking. This is why jews gained power over them. Whites are just as inferior as the jews themselves.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5352'>&gt;&gt;5352</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I think my worries are realistic and backed up by facts.</span><br />The problem is that all think the same like you, which means you are probably true, but it&#39;s completely flawed.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 46e52bc1b566cf3d271414bb2d895098a7333bcf4edd6402d7c84580cc9ed8b9.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post926'>&gt;&gt;926</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the original 8/b/ lainfag</span><br />It&#39;s blasphemous to change your avatar, you treacherous underage Jew!<br />


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5425'>&gt;&gt;5425</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Who fought for the benefit of Jews in World War 2?</span><br />USA, boostin&#39; the <span class='kiketext'>(((economy)))</span>.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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  <a class='reference' href='#post915'>&gt;&gt;915</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I thought we&#39;re friends all along. As much I know you hate me</span><br />I don&#39;t hate anybody. I love you all, even though you are massive fags :D<br /><a class='reference' href='#post926'>&gt;&gt;926</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Why do you think I&#39;m Hapase? Besides both being hapas of course.</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/b/202.html#post205'>https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/b/202.html#post205</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;since coming to nanochan I&#39;ve come to dislike lain posters because of their prospensity towards leftist viewpoints.</span><br />How the fug did you come to the conclusion i was a leftist? I&#39;m not, i&#39;m a libertarian. I made the Anarcho-capitalism trhead, that is the opposite of leftism <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/10912.html'>https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/10912.html</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post928'>&gt;&gt;928</a><br />So how is the highschool dropout life going asuka? You should keep a blog on /b/ about how you create le ebin hapa terrorist group and fight le ebin cumskins!


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5425'>&gt;&gt;5425</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post5426'>&gt;&gt;5426</a><br />fuck off boomer


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post926'>&gt;&gt;926</a><br />When I first came to nanochan, all those years ago, hakase affectionately referred to me as &quot;poomarufag&quot; as well. In a world dominated by racemixing Jews, I refuse to believe in excrement-related coincidences.<br />


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post930'>&gt;&gt;930</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t hate anybody</span><br />You have a problem. This is a problem. It is because you are a cumskin.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr</span><br />Gather <i>all</i> of hapase&#39;s posts with the capcode on them and use those in addition to posts I have made to prove your shitty argument (protip: you can&#39;t because you&#39;re wrong).<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;did you come to the conclusion i was a leftist?</span><br />Anarkiddies are leftists. That was what I was talking about. Lainniggers (especially on lainchan) are interested in anarchy and racial equality and lolberg bullshit. The truth is that only once a homogenous country is achieved can libertarian ideas be introduced. Even then, certain types of society-destroying degeneracy need to be kept under severe control for obvious reasons.<br />Cumskins are not compatible with libertarianism. They quickly regress to weimar-tier degeneracy within a few centuries (see: the USA) when given freedumb, and then they start restricting their own freedom to reverse the cancer. Absolute epic fail.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;highschool dropout life</span><br />I&#39;m still in HS dumb fuck.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;create le ebin hapa terrorist group</span><br />You forgot that the &quot;hapa terrorist group&quot; if you want to call it that is an idea I had for AFTER cumskins become a minority below 10%. Cumskins are more difficult to fight than shitskins because they are more competent in planning and combat situations, and fighting them would result in higher hapa casualties which is not acceptable since hapa lives are over 9000x more valuable than cumskins.<br />Cumskins are killing themselves off. I&#39;d rather let them do the dirty work, and that takes time.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post949'>&gt;&gt;949</a><br />Everyone who doesn&#39;t like you calls you poomarufag.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post928'>&gt;&gt;928</a><br />Don&#39;t take it literally you sperg.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post930'>&gt;&gt;930</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;ancap</span><br />roided bugman you are<br /><a class='reference' href='#post930'>&gt;&gt;930</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;highschool dropout life going</span><br />This must suck. You almost have to have college for jobs requiring no qualification.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post950'>&gt;&gt;950</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;death to whites</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;needs whites to hapa</span><br />


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post950'>&gt;&gt;950</a><br />Also the specimen on the left is a jewess, while the specimen on the right is a half-jewess. Nice try though.<br />


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Yes, the feminist/tranny menace in tech are the creation of megacorporations and three letter agencies, used as pawns to further agendas that weaken open source projects as a whole, among other things. Linux&#39;s coc was used against theodore tso, for example, who has been against using intel&#39;s own crypto implementation for /dev/random.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 5acd042bab5d6e782fbc8b4794ab993ff834c20da8d89d8a5f9440bb3495df97.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post951'>&gt;&gt;951</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You almost have to have college for jobs requiring no qualification.</span><br />This is what retard cumskins think. Cumskins at my school tell me:<br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;OOH LOOK AT THIS GUY HE&#39;S NOT GOING TO UNIVERSITY LOOOLOLOLOL WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE, LIKE, A <i>FARMER</i> OR SOMETHING????</span><br />There are plenty of reasonably paying occupations (not jobs, <i>occupations</i>) which don&#39;t require university at all. From fixing bugmen&#39;s broken rice cookers to helping retard fat cumskin women install wangblows 10 on their craptops, there is money to be made doing easy shit like that.<br />University meme is propagated entirely by cumskins and chinks. They are retarded and will end up working at CuckDonalds at age 30.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post952'>&gt;&gt;952</a><br />Here&#39;s a hint to get that smoothbrain of yours firing. <i>What happens when a hapa man and hapa girl have sex?</i><br /><a class='reference' href='#post953'>&gt;&gt;953</a><br />The one on the left is a wigger, plain and simple. You cannot get away by calling all the most subhuman members of your race &quot;joooooooos&quot;. Furthermore, you cannot get away with calling perfectly good hapas &quot;jooooooos&quot;. Are you jealous that the one on the left fucks only niggers and the one on the right fucks only hapas? You should be cumskin boi.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 7b4dfba3d2788e7b74f348d68023a507c7a8b8c069f7459bd7d0958624c4c5ca.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post949'>&gt;&gt;949</a><br />Umarufag posts a 2D [poo]umaru! That&#39;s news.<br />I was thinking that you could propose to India poomaru as a mascotte for one of those poo in the loo campaign.<br />You could make money out of it!<br /><a class='reference' href='#post950'>&gt;&gt;950</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t hate anybody</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You have a problem. This is a problem.</span><br />Usually is who hates that has a problem. I&#39;m a chill guy and like to shitpost here, why should i hate xD<br />I luv you asuka you&#39;re entertaining, no homo.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Gather all of hapase&#39;s posts with the capcode on them and use those in addition to posts I have made to prove your shitty argument</span><br />I&#39;m not that autistic. But i have two questions for you to disprove that you&#39;re not hapase then:<br />1. Where were you when he was giving the server away and why did you not try to get a hold of it? Don&#39;t tell me you tried and he turned you down, that would be really sad xD<br />2. Why did you start avatarfagging with asuka pics the exact same day hakase posted an asuka pic with capcode in the thread about /pol/ board owner? You wanted to imitate hapase? That would be also pretty sad.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Anarkiddies are leftists.</span><br />Go study what anarchism is, anarchism is just a political system without a central state, doesn&#39;t have anything to do with right or left, in fact it&#39;s against right and left, the right is all about the state enforcing hierarchies and laws, the left is all about the state wasting money on welfare and enforcing their retarded equality, anarchism is against all of this, commie anarchists are just revolutionary larpers.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Lainniggers (especially on lainchan) are interested in anarchy</span><br />I don&#39;t frequent lainchan, i choose lain as an avatar literally randomly cause i had some pics(and cause she cute).<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The truth is that only once a homogenous country is achieved can libertarian ideas be introduced.</span><br />You&#39;re thinking this backwards, once there is no state and no democracy it doesn&#39;t matter if the country is homogenous or not cause there is no country and no elections and no politics, what other people do doesn&#39;t influence the individual anymore, think of anarchy as every person is a country and depending on the kind of anarchy there are minimal contracts to keep people from killing each other.<br />Your so called homogenous country is a fascist police state.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I&#39;m still in HS dumb fuck.</span><br />My bad you seem like you had a bit too much free time with your shitposting. I wonder if white people bully you and this is the place where you release stress. Do you have hapa friends at least? Do you talk to them about your plans or do you keep your power level hidden?<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You forgot that the &quot;hapa terrorist group&quot; if you want to call it that is an idea I had for AFTER cumskins become a minority below 10%.</span><br />White people are already a 11% minority <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Census_and_social_definitions_in_different_regions'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Census_and_social_definitions_in_different_regions</a> so get ready i guess! So blog about hapa terrorist cell when? I will subscribe and put like i swear!<br />inb4 but i meant in X country...ok whatever


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Before the thread goes comletely to shit, can we talk about how to defend ourself from this shit? Coc and false accusations are a real problem in today open source universe.<br />Let&#39;s say i get accused of being a racist homofobe sexist cis bigot what do?<br />Let&#39;s say a project i contribute gets CoCed what do?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post955'>&gt;&gt;955</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;why should I hate</span><br />Some people deserve hate is all I&#39;m saying. The fact that you don&#39;t hate me despite me openly claiming to want your race gone is just proof that you&#39;re a cuck.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;disprove that you&#39;re not hapase</span><br />Nothing I say, or even that hapase/fagmin says for that matter can definitively prove that I am or am not hapase. Just drop it, it&#39;s a moot point.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Where were you when she was giving the server away</span><br />I was out camping for a couple weeks and wasn&#39;t in a position to run a server (otherwise there would be a few weeks downtime = bad). I did see the announcement though, very unfortunate that I was not able to take over.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Why did you start avatarfagging with asuka pics</span><br />Asuka is the most well known hapa anime girl, that&#39;s why. Hapase&#39;s post gave me the idea to use her as avatar. I could use Mikasa instead, which I have done on two or three times. A lack of Mikasa reaction pictures somewhat hampers this though. Too bad, I just watched AoT a month ago but didn&#39;t remember to save screenshots of Mikki-chan.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Go study what anarchism is</span><br />I know what anarchism is. It&#39;s autistic fence-shitting for people who think that central government can be avoided for magical reasons that they make up haphazardly.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the right is all about the state enforcing hierarchies and laws</span><br />The state is an apparatus of the people for enforcing reasonable amounts of hierarchies and laws. Without said enforcement, degenerates would be free to infect societal structure and make a nation crumble. Any anarchist system is a shithole and you cannot prove me wrong.<br />My &quot;philosophy&quot; (it&#39;s really just common sense) is allowing as much freedom as possible except for stuff that has been PROVEN to destroy society e.g. LGBT, multiculturalism, feminism, and &quot;equality&quot;.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the left is all about the state wasting money on welfare and enforcing their retarded equality</span><br />With a democratic system, governments ALWAYS gravitate towards the left. Democracy is cancer and leftism is just a symptom.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;anarchism is against all of this</span><br />Provide a realistic solution for ensuring that a government does not form.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I don&#39;t frequent lainchan</span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;is an anarchist anyway</span><br />This is a further indicator that lainniggers are predisposed to anarchism and cancerous political ideas.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;once there is no state and no democracy it doesn&#39;t matter if the country is homogenous</span><br />It absolutely does. It is a fundamental responsibility of every organism to propagate organisms that are similar to itself; those who do not honor this responsibility die out and are forgotten forever. They are failures.<br />Different races will either mix together or be at conflict; both of those outcomes mean that you cannot fulfill the above stated responsibility = bad. The only way to avoid this is to strictly define borders outside which you won&#39;t meddle, and inside of which you won&#39;t tolerate any outsiders. Trade between countries is totally fine as it benefits both.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;what other people do doesn&#39;t influence the individual anymore</span><br />Yes it fucking does you retard. You are not living in total isolation.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;minimal contracts to keep people from killing each other</span><br />There will never be any functioning rootless &quot;contract&quot; to keep the strong from killing the weak if they want to. It has not been proven to work in the past and I am not interested in promoting the gambling away of the future of my people on a retarded, untested theory made up by a bunch of larping cumskins.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I wonder if white people bully you</span><br />White people call me &quot;smart&quot; even though I put extremely little effort into school projects. I put lots of effort into other things, but not at all for school shit. Cumskins&#39; standards have dropped because cumskins themselves are too busy being degenerates to do anything.<br />There&#39;s a cumskin in one of my classes who puts metric fuck tons of effort into assignments and gets the same grades as me. Lol.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Do you have hapa friends at least?</span><br />There are nearly no hapas in my school apart from me and some guy 3 grades below me. I used to though, but then I had to move to this pajeet/nigger infested shithole because my retard boomer-esque dad said &quot;HUH LOOK SON LOTS OF UNIVURSHITIES FER YA STUDDY TO GET A JERB GOTTA GET THOSE DEGREEZ FER DA JERBS JUS LOOK DA INTERVEWER IN DA EYE AN GIB FURM HANDSHAIK&quot; and my bugwoman mother said &quot;LOOKA GO TO DA UNIVUSITTY BE A DOKTA A LOYYA MEK LOT OF MONEYY FO DA FAMIRY FO MAI RETAIRMENT FUNDIN&quot; guess what bitch you won&#39;t see any money from me ever because you&#39;re a subhuman chink<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;inb4 but I meant in X country</span><br />Yes, I meant in my country. Unfortunately it isn&#39;t happening that soon, since we&#39;re still at ~70% (or somewhere above 50% at least). Fortunately, there are a lot of chinks and japs here, and that means hapas will be created.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5450'>&gt;&gt;5450</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;defend ourselves from this shit?</span><br />Don&#39;t use your real name to contribute. If you create a fake name instead, don&#39;t use it for anything not strictly necessary for providing contributions. If you somehow get accused of sexual harrasement, you can just burn that identity and create a new one. 


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post954'>&gt;&gt;954</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;What happens when a hapa man and hapa girl have sex?</span><br />So you only need pure whites and asians for the first (pure) hapa generation?<br />


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post975'>&gt;&gt;975</a><br />Yes, in theory. That&#39;s how guhneticks works faggot. Look, it&#39;s a quik maff<br /><br />  <b>General Breeding Formula</b><br />  (X + Y) / 2 = Z<br />  where Z is the offspring of X and Y<br /><br />  A = asian<br />  W = white<br />  (A + W) / 2 = 0.5A + 0.5W<br />  0.5A + 0.5W = H (hapa) (by definition)<br />  (H + H) / 2 = (0.5A + 0.5W + 0.5A + 0.5W) / 2 = (A + W) / 2 = H


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
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Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post976'>&gt;&gt;976</a><br />I&#39;m concerned about what happens when you mix W+H or H+A. Aren&#39;t you concerned about genetically impure hapas who stray away from 50% 50% to, God forbid, 90% white and like such as?<br />


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4327'>&gt;&gt;4327</a><br />Great description of japland<br /><br />Japan is a totalitarian fifth-world dystopia on a radioactive wasteland in the Pacific Ocean with less sanity and human rights than even Best Korea. It is best known for being the inventors of anime and therefore being the #1 cause of Asperger&#39;s Syndrome on the planet. Their men are autistic sick fucks who enjoy raping little girls, and their women are gold-digging pathological liars who would rather go marry and scam rich foreigners than fuck their own manchildren back home.<br /><br />Japan is basically to Asia what Israel is to the Middle East. Both are ruled by racist criminal mobsters (Yakuza vs Zionist Illuminati) and had a history of both being genocided (Hiroshima and US concentration camps vs Holocaust and German concentration camps) while committing genocide at the same time (Koreans are Japan&#39;s Palestinians). Every single nation in Asia (with the sole exception of the Japanese&#39;s loyal sex slaves, the sea niggers) hate Japan and would want to erase this microstate of degenerates off the Earth if not for the Jewnited States giving them military equipment... again just like Israel. Japan&#39;s current military is 9th strongest in the world, but there are some bases that are still used by Americans, again, just like Israel. And for the last time just like the Kikes, the Japs control the Internet Media through their use of viral memes and degenerate entertainment, but the Jews at least won&#39;t resort to shitty cartoons (unless you&#39;re Lauren Faust) to mind control half the human population into instant retards. Japanese women are also known as filthy amoral and borderline-sociopathic feminists who have an obsession with your Jew Gold and will only date you so that she can blackmail you for money (e.g. the Chikan false rape accusations) then Hannibal-Lecter you into suicide. Wonder if all Japs need is a massive nose to pass them off as kikes. <br /><br />Japan is known for being the country with the lowest calculate crime rate in the entire universe. Which isn&#39;t that surprising when you think about it, since Japan doesn&#39;t count drug dealing, prostitution, necrophilia, pedophilia, weapon dealing, extortion, blackmail, cannibalism, male rape and Yakuza (Japanese impersonators of Elvis) gang wars as &quot;crimes&quot;. <br /><br />Japs rarely exceed 150 cm in height. Most Japs would much rather be white, and some undergo limited caucasiaplasty to this end.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;racially homogenous</span><br />Every single time. japs are a mix of Ainu, Korean, Chinese and Okinawan and being jap is not race you ignorant fuck. Plenty of people don&#39;t even know they have aforementioned roots. Also it&#39;s quite ironic when hapa (mixed person) is taking about &quot;purity&quot;.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has survived for thousands of years and has only ever been successfully invaded ONCE</span><br />No one cared about this barbaric shithole.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan will outlive the white race, in fact</span><br />Funny as usual.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japanese engineeering is of superior quality</span><br />Copy of West.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Today, the vast majority of products that can be found on the market are produced in China because white people are too greedy and lazy to pay the higher prices</span><br />japs do the same.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Chinese tools and engines are of trash quality</span><br />You get what you pay for.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Japan has managed to maintain their racial and cultural homogenity throughout the years</span><br />They&#39;re mixed people and &quot;culture&quot; is copied from China and Korea.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Although you may point fingers at other Japanese problems such as depression, suicide and overwork, these problems are ashes in the wind</span><br />If one of the highest suicide rate in the world, people dying from too much work and depression are ashes in the wind then I don&#39;t know what you describe as serious problems.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;compared to Western problems such as super-obesity, white genocide and turbo-feminism</span><br />Again, White people = West according to you. Not that there is no feminism in japland, obesity and genocidng oneselves with degeneracy (japland is going down, they ease visas to get cheap labor, 98% will go to 56% in no time ;) ).


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 53502cf58307bfa2e938f7f31daa00af88fab1e33d855e47efd879c1e259a10f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post977'>&gt;&gt;977</a><br />Hapas who fuck non-hapas are subhuman race-traitors. ANY non-50% mixture is therefore to be treated with caution since it is a product of race-traitors; however, I&#39;d have a tolerance of +-12.5% since genes work in strange ways sometimes and they don&#39;t get transferred evenly.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4634'>&gt;&gt;4634</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I think he&#39;s pro-porn shill</span><br />That&#39;s plot twist. I shill noporn to actually make people watch porn! Genius.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;otherwise he wouldn&#39;t be shilling for <span class='kiketext'>(((industry)))</span> so hard and so often</span><br />Kikes really are behind porn <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/'>https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/</a>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;&gt;race-traitors</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;mixed people</span><br />I don&#39;t know how to respond. It&#39;s really stupid what you say.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: aff163339f49ecd5db93ff988839a0c19a89c70863bfe0653db2bba79013206f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post978'>&gt;&gt;978</a><br />With such tight gene purity requirements aren&#39;t you concerned some hapas will have an incestuous ancestry unintentionally? My God they might even turn out tarded.<br />


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: eb3e2aecf2124db4c43f568981292dc1077ea1ac512c9d3bf5cc602059e020e3.jpg
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;NO Nazi REACTIONARIES ALLOWED.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;They should be deleted on sight.</span><br />Just started the thread and already demanding safe spaces, eh? You lot really are just a parody of yourselves.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post979'>&gt;&gt;979</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post980'>&gt;&gt;980</a><br />checkmate hapeists


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: 24fa893c268bf577041f3fe17abbfb2b369053a2515d3cd224b0f38f7ca12494.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4703'>&gt;&gt;4703</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I shill noporn to actually make people watch porn!</span><br />Simple logic.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Kikes really are behind porn</span><br />So are you behind its propagation.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4705'>&gt;&gt;4705</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;So are you behind its propagation</span><br />I don&#39;t post it and encourage others to not use it. 


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
File: bfdf57838e129bbf2e5bc568fb1dab4a807c8bfeaaac2962209b9bbadc0d7b46.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4707'>&gt;&gt;4707</a><br />Propagation is still propagation and yours is especially hamfisted.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post980'>&gt;&gt;980</a><br />Just a mere observation, but most mixed people have mental problems already, usually just bipolar or something with full-on schizos or paranoics exceptions.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4709'>&gt;&gt;4709</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;telling people who neither consume nor post porn to stop consuming and posting porn</span><br />You are the retard here.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: a21ab1604f2661bb4128a38dbf8eac67e2b5620e3a94a77b36a5a5276f4a95ae.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5407'>&gt;&gt;5407</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Now she&#39;s being sued for libel.</span><br />Don&#39;t worry some simp mangina cuck politician will amend the laws or create new ones saying men can&#39;t sue their false accusers. <br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;Defend the sperm toilets from consequences. </span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;I support women privileges...I mean equality. </span><br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;give me your votes whores so I can become a pawn for the elites and their secret societies--oh and become filthy rich.</span><br />Typical everyday politics as usual.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 8bdb753510c22700e1d3453918f3e3bb8f5c3feb765bc34cb5b1a6821a2956f3.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post982'>&gt;&gt;982</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;MUH MENTAL PROBLEMS</span><br />Ok cumskin


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: d51f73864fe124b772664735de43c9ccd3922249d14f085437d98b9d40eb48ee.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post979'>&gt;&gt;979</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post983'>&gt;&gt;983</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post984'>&gt;&gt;984</a><br />Actually I&#39;ll rescind that &quot;treated with caution&quot; statement. The parents are subhuman, but the offspring is not as long as he falls within the tolerances of 50% white 50% asian +- 12.5%.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: ba10b1859ab988c5b001b3b2d2ffe2817e35796fb32ff434cd6d6d4b2adbee30.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5429'>&gt;&gt;5429</a><br />6 gorzilian jews died. Write it in textbooks.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 348dd3eb67c550f4fea2ef00e6b4a629afeebe09fbb6e0906c650b54d49cb77f.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5450'>&gt;&gt;5450</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;how to defend yourself</span><br />Pence rule, all interaction with women should be recorded, only talk about work at work, get good infosec and create an alias that can&#39;t be traced back to you if you want to speak your mind, if she breathes she&#39;s a THOT, if it flies, swims, or fucks rent it, etc..


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: fb0bea1f8868977a4894ce00911b8705313f0bb74e2674082e3d2e413d9567e1.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5455'>&gt;&gt;5455</a><br />Boomer making deal of holocaust because it matters to someone else instead of completely negating any importance of it? And? Although still better than sucking hitler&#39;s dick while denying his only achievement.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 6a2390c78b512c65feedbc791162f50500c0d0ac3d00af05697313c90d3c4f36.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post974'>&gt;&gt;974</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Some people deserve hate is all I&#39;m saying.</span><br />Yes, but hating is tiring, i don&#39;t think you are hateful enough to deserve the energy for me to hate you, it&#39;s not like you did anything to me. Don&#39;t project you anger onto me ;)<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The fact that you don&#39;t hate me despite me openly claiming to want your race gone is just proof that you&#39;re a cuck.</span><br />I don&#39;t know how to tell you asuka but i can&#39;t really take you seriously on those statements sorry xD<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Nothing I say, or even that hapase/fagmin says for that matter can definitively prove that I am or am not hapase. Just drop it, it&#39;s a moot point.</span><br />Ok fine, the mistery of hapase goes deeper then, where did hapase go? Did he leave the website? I doubt it. But at the same time not that many other nanons fit the style of hapase.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Mikki-chan</span><br />Mikasa is also cute. Make some reaction images if you can&#39;t find them.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This is a further indicator that lainniggers are predisposed to anarchism and cancerous political ideas.</span><br />Fine i will start motokofagging for a change then since lain triggers you.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Without said enforcement, degenerates would be free to infect societal structure and make a nation crumble</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;My &quot;philosophy&quot; (it&#39;s really just common sense) is allowing as much freedom as possible except for stuff that has been PROVEN to destroy society e.g. LGBT, multiculturalism, feminism, and &quot;equality&quot;.</span><br />Try to think for a second about who is pushing those kind of things asuka, it is political parties, big medias backed by politicians and welfare/pro-left reforms that allows those policies to survive/prosper and find consensus. Without all the state backed machine the things you mentioned would not exist, cause in the end real people don&#39;t give a fuck about those things, people want to have a family, enough money/resources to survive and to fuck and have childrens. The difference between my &quot;philosophy&quot; and yours is that mine cures the cause(the state) of the cancer and yours the symptoms(your so called degeneracy) of the cancer. What is gonna cure the cancer in a definitive way of the two?<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;With a democratic system, governments ALWAYS gravitate towards the left. Democracy is cancer and leftism is just a symptom.</span><br />I agree with you that democracy favors the left, just as authoritarianism favors the right. Both systems takes away freedom from the individuals in different ways, but ultimately what really takes away freedom is centralized power, AKA the state.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Provide a realistic solution for ensuring that a government does not form.</span><br />Really hard question. You can&#39;t be really sure in the end, just as you cannot be sure that WW3 is not gonna start tomorrow.<br />Method #1: Dissolve every nation on earth, destroy the military complex, setup an international/decentralized economy(cryptocurrencies) and decentralized information exchange systems for communication(p2p networks), done.<br />Method #2: Go on some island or even better into space, far away from contries and start your utopia there, done.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It is a fundamental responsibility of every organism to propagate organisms that are similar to itself</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Different races will either mix together or be at conflict</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The only way to avoid this is to strictly define borders outside which you won&#39;t meddle, and inside of which you won&#39;t tolerate any outsiders</span><br />Are other humans that different from you? The fact that you can reproduce with other races and that humans are catalogued under one species already makes your point moot. How do you define when an organism is similar enough to be considered part of your group? As i said before my &quot;philosophy&quot; considers each person like it was its own country. I don&#39;t completely disagree that there should be borders, the difference between us is where we draw the borders; i draw it at the individual level, you draw it at the race level; your border is arbitrairly decided and has lot of grey areas, while mine is clearly defined(defined as around your body and property to be exact), for these reasons you will fail just as americans or europeans fail to keep people out of their arbitrairly defined national borders.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Yes it fucking does you retard. You are not living in total isolation.</span><br />Individuals in a functioning anarchist society are at least partially independent, maybe what your neighbours does may influence you or what the people you buy food and products do may influence you to some degree, but what people a hundred of km from you do doesn&#39;t influnces you, while in current national systems what happens in other part of the country will influence your life(stuff like new laws and taxes). Total isolation is not needed, partial individual independence is enough.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There will never be any functioning rootless &quot;contract&quot; to keep the strong from killing the weak if they want to</span><br />Read what i wrote here <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/10912.html#post123144'>https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/l/10912.html#post123144</a><br />You can also have private police/mercenaries that is paid by groups of people(yes you don&#39;t need the state for that guess what)<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but then I had to move to this pajeet/nigger infested shithole because my retard boomer-esque dad said &quot;HUH LOOK SON LOTS OF UNIVURSHITIES FER YA</span><br />I agree with your sentiment on university, in our day and age its better to develop skills through experience, the best thing to do IMO is to make your own business, just remember that shitposting on nanochan is not a job so you should prepare an alternative if you don&#39;t go to uni.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: dd5e9395ffd404ec45fb870879c8b2ace372b93531b128ffeefef2ed4c272980.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5450'>&gt;&gt;5450</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Let&#39;s say i get accused of being a racist homofobe sexist cis bigot what do?</span><br />There&#39;s nothing you can do. That&#39;s exactly the problem. These people who make these horrifying accusations don&#39;t make them in court, where there are standards of evidence, they make them in sensationalist media outlets and on twitter and stir up mobs to bombard your employer, your landlord, and your family with hate and demands that you be fired/kicked out/divorced, etc.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Let&#39;s say a project i contribute gets CoCed what do?</span><br />Leave. Look, I hate to be blackpill about it, but open sores is full of these insane trannies, faggots, and other identity politicians who have politicized and weaponized what ought to be non-political and about technical merit. And they have the support of the largest tech companies in the world. GitHub, now owned by Microsoft, is a digital safe space. If you &quot;deadname&quot; a tranny on Twitter, you&#39;ll be kicked off. For now you can still use OpenBSD and lynx and host your own git repos instead of using GitHub, but de Raadt isn&#39;t going to live forever. If you want to avoid this shit, you&#39;ll have to work at the margins, until they swallow up the margins, too.<br /><br />Pic is Sarah Sharp, who took on Linus on the mailing lists a few years ago. She now claims to be &quot;non-binary&quot; named Sage, but takes testosterone, hence the facial hair.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4612'>&gt;&gt;4612</a><br />You are a joke. Porn will be posted on all discussions you partake in. If not I will specifically download porn to post with.<br /><br />Stop crying for mods.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Lost Future
File: afb6364830a2cd1a92f1f76b43f362266afff745cc89d2d7da0b0db6e0b6e797.jpg
Comment:
  This is story for you written by me, please read it. I hope you enjoy it. <br /><br />At one point of history,  there was a successful, though very small kingdom hidden from other kingdoms in Freedom Land. If you’re interested, it was anarchic collection of different kingdoms, city states, villages that all were self governed and had different rules, so you might Imagine it was always dangerous and noisy there. The kingdom I want to tell story about was isolated, up to impossible to penetrate or even enter. Mind you, inhabitants weren’t elite – it was merely so well hidden it could safely breathe no one will try to influence or threaten independence. One you know context, let’s go into kingdom itself. Let me start with people, it was a caste system that segregated people into three categories: Lord were the most influential that were above the law and could do what they liked, questioning their behavior would be a sure way to die. Next, we have normal people I’ll call cattle (you’ll get why) and at the end of pyramid, marginalized group treated like second class citizens. They were called Copiers for how they would copy personas and apply on them. How would all these people live? Influential people would splurge on taxes from cattle, cattle would mainly work at simple jobs. Copiers would mostly live off donations or write, to get attention and make a living. Weird, huh? Why is the most oppressed group creating and not merely consuming? Who knows, that’s not important. Let’s say there was a few notable Copiers, one known to be schizophrenic. It’s debatable whether it was true, he claimed it was not like that. You probably get impression inhabitants in kingdom were happy. Well, Not really. Before kingdom got independent, it was heavily influenced by pariah people that were disrespected in all Freedom Land. They brought leafs from which you could extract quite yummy but not necessarily good herb – they called it Chosen. People went crazy after it. There was enough demand Lords could live off of taxes from Chosen alone. To make things worse, this herb was considered by some to be toxic, yet knowledge was so poor back then it was hard to proof. Now we return to one of the Copiers who knew it would ruin kingdom. Schizophrenic, or maybe looking into future, he could spot his beloved kingdom ruined, people killed and pride destroyed. Thought not presented directly, he could attribute it to Chosen, herb loved by cattle. They didn’t know better so who he was to tell them it can kill? According to him, it could take very long time before victim would realized he lost his chance in life. With his crippled skill, he decided to pursue creating art making herb killing. He would create lots of it to make sure all people are aware of it. Very few supported him, other Copiers would isolate him even more. But he was pushing forward to make sure kingdom is free off Chosen. Lords weren’t as enthusiastic. At first, they would censor his works. Then, it this didn’t work, set cattle against him. But he pushed, he continued even with knowledge he would be even more isolated. He more lonely lad, but certainly not egoistic. He was doing it for years, in his prime time, he dedicated his time to help. Cattle didn’t care about it and mostly threw leftovers of Chosen on him to humiliate him. He was also abusing this herb, but after learning truth from the future he stopped. One of the Lords would oppress him just to get cattle on his side. Once he would go to outskirts to Copier place where he sold art and provoke him, using cattle, into giving up. Fight broke up, apparently Lord got hurt and all the blame was on Copier. Using assault as a pretext, Lord, which was very corrupted, decided for very drastic measure – capital punishment. It was too much of making people stop using herb that he decided to kill lonely Copier. He would get onto Public place, humiliated on the eyes of cattle with tortures, and finally beheaded for having different belief than others. No one would support them on death trial.<br /><br />As he foreseen, kingdom got ruined by the same herb Lords would make people consume. It has lost its place in history and is remembered as a reminder why Chosen, or any other addicted substance should never be consumed by the cattle.<br /><br />After reading this story, you probably know what I wanted to say with Lords, Copier and Chosen. Sadly, it’s the cattle that will decide.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5450'>&gt;&gt;5450</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Let&#39;s say i get accused of being a racist homofobe sexist cis bigot what do?</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Let&#39;s say a project i contribute gets CoCed what do?</span><br />You gotta accept that we live in clown world(honk honk). The only way to win in clown world is to read their rule book and out crazy the crazies. Coming out as a <br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;masculine presenting trans-lesbian(so stunning and brave! You go ....ammm....gurl?)</span><br />protects you from almost everything in clown world. It&#39;s like the secret cheat code to auto win.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  This is story for you written by me, please read it. I hope you enjoy it. <br /><br />At one point of history,  there was a successful, though very small kingdom hidden from other kingdoms in Freedom Land. If you’re interested, it was anarchic collection of different kingdoms, city states, villages that all were self governed and had different rules, so you might Imagine it was always dangerous and noisy there. <br /><br />The kingdom I want to tell story about was isolated, up to impossible to penetrate or even enter. Mind you, inhabitants weren’t elite – it was merely so well hidden it could safely breathe no one will try to influence or threaten independence. One you know context, let’s go into kingdom itself. <br /><br />Let me start with people, it was a caste system that segregated people into three categories: Lord were the most influential that were above the law and could do what they liked, questioning their behavior would be a sure way to die. <br /><br />Next, we have normal people I’ll call cattle (you’ll get why) and at the end of pyramid, marginalized group treated like second class citizens. They were called Copiers for how they would copy personas and apply on them. How would all these people live? Influential people would splurge on taxes from cattle, cattle would mainly work at simple jobs. Copiers would mostly live off donations or write, to get attention and make a living. <br /><br />Weird, huh? Why is the most oppressed group creating and not merely consuming? Who knows, that’s not important. <br /><br />Let’s say there was a few notable Copiers, one known to be schizophrenic. It’s debatable whether it was true, he claimed it was not like that. You probably get impression inhabitants in kingdom were happy. Well, Not really. Before kingdom got independent, it was heavily influenced by pariah people that were disrespected in all Freedom Land. <br /><br />They brought leafs from which you could extract quite yummy but not necessarily good herb – they called it Chosen. People went crazy after it. There was enough demand Lords could live off of taxes from Chosen alone. To make things worse, this herb was considered by some to be toxic, yet knowledge was so poor back then it was hard to proof. Now we return to one of the Copiers who knew it would ruin kingdom.<br /><br />Schizophrenic, or maybe looking into future, he could spot his beloved kingdom ruined, people killed and pride destroyed. Thought not presented directly, he could attribute it to Chosen, herb loved by cattle. They didn’t know better so who he was to tell them it can kill? According to him, it could take very long time before victim would realized he lost his chance in life. With his crippled skill, he decided to pursue creating art making herb killing.<br /><br /> He would create lots of it to make sure all people are aware of it. Very few supported him, other Copiers would isolate him even more. But he was pushing forward to make sure kingdom is free off Chosen. Lords weren’t as enthusiastic. At first, they would censor his works. Then, it this didn’t work, set cattle against him. <br /><br />But he pushed, he continued even with knowledge he would be even more isolated. He more lonely lad, but certainly not egoistic. He was doing it for years, in his prime time, he dedicated his time to help. Cattle didn’t care about it and mostly threw leftovers of Chosen on him to humiliate him. He was also abusing this herb, but after learning truth from the future he stopped. One of the Lords would oppress him just to get cattle on his side. <br /><br />Once he would go to outskirts to Copier place where he sold art and provoke him, using cattle, into giving up. Fight broke up, apparently Lord got hurt and all the blame was on Copier. Using assault as a pretext, Lord, which was very corrupted, decided for very drastic measure – capital punishment. <br /><br />It was too much of making people stop using herb that he decided to kill lonely Copier. He would get onto Public place, humiliated on the eyes of cattle with tortures, and finally beheaded for having different belief than others. <br /><br />No one would support them on death trial.<br /><br />As he foreseen, kingdom got ruined by the same herb Lords would make people consume. It has lost its place in history and is remembered as a reminder why Chosen, or any other addicted substance should never be consumed by the cattle.<br /><br />After reading this story, you probably know what I wanted to say with Lords, Copier and Chosen. Sadly, it’s the cattle that will decide.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 49c1c441c3c36a9f66772832869363557bf3a00b9ba658778dbe73052579f8b9.jpg
Comment:
  I would add that grammar is broken too. Well, there at least<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt; As he foreseen, kingdom got ruined by the same herb Lords would make people consume. It has lost its place in history and is remembered as a reminder why Chosen, or any other addicted substance should never be consumed by the cattle.</span><br />It is the only sentence I actually read though. Sorry, but it&#39;s clear that you struggle with using English. Please refrain from writing until you&#39;re good at it.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5381'>&gt;&gt;5381</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;(this depends if i can get my head around crawlers and stuff and would deserve its own thread)</span><br />I meant scrapers not crawlers.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5424'>&gt;&gt;5424</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;What I was getting at is that they are garbage. Fucking digital entertainment is what they are.</span><br />I&#39;m not sure if i understand, do mean the bluray quality or the content or the fact that they are digital? I&#39;m lost.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;What you need is the actual old systems (hardware) and documentation for programmers, like Intel manuals, ARM manuals etc.</span><br />Sure all kind of technical manuals and documentations are covered by the literature section.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There is no reason to trust your archive in particular. Only users who can confirm that your data is genuine would be able to make use of your archive.</span><br />Is see what you mean but there is not really a solution to that problem, unless official sources releases hashes.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;What I&#39;m getting at is that you need a computer to do your work, not to be a library for everyone in the world.</span><br />You can do a lot of different stuff with a computer, from entertainment, to study, to research, to create stuff. But well to be entertained you need content, to study you need papers/documentation, to research you need data, to create you need other creations to take inspirations cause things are not created from nothing. So a library/archive is necessary after all IMO.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Data gains value through the utility only. Archaeology may be a hobby, but not a necessity.</span><br />I disagree if things go south stuff that we take for granted today may be extremely useful for future generations.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Enter some search pattern on a 1TB archive. The results will be probably hundreds of megabytes of matches.</span><br />I will organize it well, it will be tag based and i will try to keep it tidy(i have the order autism when it comes to fodlers and files).<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I just think it would be more effective to not just upload all the junk you see on the Interwebz.</span><br />Did you mean download instead of upload? Give me a list of valuable stuff to add and &quot;junk&quot; to avoid then.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post5427'>&gt;&gt;5427</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The problem is that all think the same like you, which means you are probably true, but it&#39;s completely flawed.</span><br />Not sure if i understand your phrase composition, but if you&#39;re referring to the doomer thing, this is more a go getter approach if you get what i mean.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 5e49d8b8185d43f2f8885b31a359a448e3a2fdf7eba0170b480d6d2642532904.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13270'>&gt;&gt;13270</a><br />didn&#39;t read, if you can&#39;t into paragraphs then don&#39;t write


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 622a7abc654c5dafeacdf8b3d327abe1cda9afe374cfd1e12aafd70f737b56f8.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5460'>&gt;&gt;5460</a><br />I don&#39;t want to derail your thread any longer. You have created the thread on /g/ asking for the advice on a technical matter, and not for the explanation why you&#39;re braindamaged. I&#39;m leaving now.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I&#39;m lost.</span><br />Exactly. Your brain cannot fucking comprehend this, and you went on repeating yourself in your further paragraphs. This is going nowhere.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: I Break Mirrors With My Face In The United States
File: 4d208911cfcbc4dced9f8e9c0ea85955c82d279d9648ffc120ee4c83a8704f91.ogg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13267'>&gt;&gt;13267</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;musician</span><br />Not a musician, but I play on piano. Other than that from what I have home I play lyre, tin whistle which I carry around almost all the time, ocasionaly pan flute and cimbalom. I tried to play french horn back on high school because we had school orchestra and my friends wanted me in but it ended up being exercise for my smoker&#39;s lungs. I sing well.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5462'>&gt;&gt;5462</a><br />Well what a waste of time replying to you then. Bye.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 8ba8b32a50bf4b362d936192b805c2a4b8c1d55bf70b7289513f3f7846dfc418.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post989'>&gt;&gt;989</a><br />Jews are smart, so it&#39;s YOUR opinion that is dismissed kid.<br />And anyway he&#39;s as antijew as it gets.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post990'>&gt;&gt;990</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;antijews</span><br />No, that&#39;s just part of their master plan on how to enslave you. Don&#39;t believe him, he&#39;s a jew, even if he&#39;s &quot;antijew&quot;. All kikes will be gassed and all their ideas with them.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;smart</span><br />No, aryans are smart, jews just pretend to be. Don&#39;t let them infect your northern slavic, aryan brain.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 6557b71813ae243f0ae625286f3025ef0e060bedd682afe1e9ab5fc3c6ac3ade.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post988'>&gt;&gt;988</a><br />His analysis of left and right is mostly correct. But i find his hate toward technology really stupid, he seems to see technology as some sort of evil while in fact it&#39;s part of the natural evolution of an intelligent species, technology is not good or bad, it&#39;s just a tool, if there is evil is in men. What i really don&#39;t understand is how he seems to think that without technology comes more freedom, while basic logic shows the contrary.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post989'>&gt;&gt;989</a><br />le spooky joo<br />go back to 8chan /pol/ pls


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: ab270e4c315bf959b857015b15065bc21190316c8b6ff78a6d1aa9d7e98da9b0.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post993'>&gt;&gt;993</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;What i really don&#39;t understand is how he seems to think that without technology comes more freedom, while basic logic shows the contrary.</span><br />He explained it pretty well I think.<br />First, read his definition of freedom, because he doesn&#39;t accept anything else.<br />Then, it mostly boils down to the fact that more technology means more regulations and more stuff you as an individual cannot influence at all.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;But i find his hate toward technology really stupid</span><br />It&#39;s not really about hate, it seems about seeing drawbacks of technology that cannot really be undone.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13126'>&gt;&gt;13126</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It&#39;s hard to use it right because of addictive nature.</span><br />MDMA, absolutely not addictive. Quite the opposite. It has extreme withdrawals afterwards that make it not so worth it because your serotonin gets depleted. Its also great fun for a night.<br /><br />Meth in high dosage is more harmfull but in small dosages it is very usefull for treating a wide variety of disorders like ADHD.<br /><br />There, MDMA and Meth, not that hard to use. You dont see many adhd patients with tremors in their hands for their next shot.<br /><br />Another question for you. Since masturbating releases dopamine and a host of other hormones you claimed are corrupting your brain into bad behaviour (Masturbating more, Fetishes, other perverse behaviour). Surely you&#39;ll be consequent in your conviction and abstain ANY activity releasing dopamine which you deem immoral? By its nature, browsing and replying on Nanochan releases dopamine at various activities and intervals. Or do you consider Nanochan more moral than the porn being posted on it?<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post13129'>&gt;&gt;13129</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;resort to Freud bullshit?</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;not accepted in modern psychology.</span><br />Please refrain from critisicing Freud untill I finished his book of dream psychology. Thank you &lt;3


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4647'>&gt;&gt;4647</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;/pol/ is for politics</span><br />A thread on communism / socialism would have been against the original rules and is against the current rules of /pol/. Specifically the current rule of<br /><span class='pinktext'>&lt;no pro jewish ideologies</span><br />


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4713'>&gt;&gt;4713</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;A thread on communism / socialism would have been against the original rules and is against the current rules of /pol/. Specifically the current rule of</span><br />Actually the old /pol/ rules had an exception, where outside all other threads which were by default explicitly natsoc, the board is allowed one thread for each different ideology.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 3957f3ed591d50f5a3236d88dfddb302f2bab44c4b32aa0d01c65d5161f57dee.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post987'>&gt;&gt;987</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Try to think for a second about who is pushing those kind of things asuka</span><br />Common white people believe in them. No one is &quot;pushing&quot; them, it&#39;s just that jews got on the TV and told people &quot;nazis bad, remember 60000000&quot; and white people believed it because they&#39;re cucks.<br />Leftist ideas are almost exclusively enforced by the common normalfag. Be in a group of people and say &quot;nigger&quot;, everyone will turn in shock, gasp, and lecture you on how ebil and discriminatory it is unless it&#39;s a one-on-one conversation with a particularly redpilled guy (VERY RARE, even the &quot;right wing&quot; guy thinks it&#39;s not good to say da n werd).<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it is political parties</span><br />People voted for those political parties, you know? Therefore, anything they do is the fault of the people for endorsing and/or tolerating it.<br />There are political parties and independent candidates who oppose leftist retardation, but they don&#39;t get enough votes to be relevant because THE COMMON WIGGER DOESN&#39;T CARE.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;lel i cure canser :DDDD</span><br />You aren&#39;t curing shit.<br />1. Your proposed solution is almost impossible to enact.<br />2. I am not convinced that your solution will do anything.<br />3. I believe your solution will revert to the standard system of governance quite quickly.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Dissolve every nation on earth, destroy the military complex, setup an international/decentralized economy(cryptocurrencies) and decentralized information exchange systems for communication(p2p networks), done.</span><br />Yeah, that&#39;s right. Just like, go out and kill all the militaries LOL. It&#39;s so easy!<br />Even after you destroy all the military and centralized systems, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PREVENT THEM FROM REFORMING? Anyone can join up with a bunch of others who have guns and weapons and create an army and start fighting with others because hey, no one else can fight back. Then others create militaries to defend themselves and you&#39;re back at square 1 with a lot of lives lost.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Go on some island or even better into space, far away from contries and start your utopia there, done.</span><br />No one has properly been into space since the 1970s because cumskins are more interested in partying and degeneracy than going into space.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Are other humans that different from you? The fact that you can reproduce with other races and that humans are catalogued under one species</span><br />One species, different &quot;breeds&quot; so to speak. Usually, individuals within the same race are compatible with each other and can feel fellowship with each other; that is NOT the same for other races. If you don&#39;t understand this, there is nothing I can do to convince you; you are missing a basic human instinct.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hurr arbitrary hurr arbitrary borders</span><br />Borders are clear lines in the sand. It would be VERY easy to keep nonwhites out of America and Europe for the most part, and in fact that was done for hundreds of years. Only after white people became cucked and started to willingly let in immigrants did the borders become dissolved and weak.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;anarkiddie dreaming and larping</span><br />Your ideas are simply retarded. Proof is provided by the fact that anarchism hasn&#39;t happened spontaneously in the past and hasn&#39;t been successful for long if it has. People group together, and for whatever reason, those groupings work best when race is the basis.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  WeeChat (not WeChat) is a good chat client, can even be used with Matrix.<br /><br />Linux or BSD BTFOs Micro$oft (the company that was named after someone&#39;s dick) Windblows and Crapple.<br /><br />


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5466'>&gt;&gt;5466</a><br /><br />Named after the user&#39;s dick most likely.<br /><br />Anyone who uses Microsoft has a micro soft.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  PROTECT THE ARCHIVE AT ALL COSTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA<br /><br />FUCKING HIRE SECURITY TEAM AND LAND MINE EVERYTHING IF THEY GET IN THE HARD DRIVES GO BYE BYE LIKE IT DID ON THE 39074v5t0wf8;l8gu8nktyirs<br /><br /><br />AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Yeah there&#39;s a some typos, but I&#39;m able to read it.<br /><br />The fact that you woke ass English nerds can&#39;t read it, makes YOUR ability questionable.<br /><br />I give it a clap clap.<br /><br />It sounds like early America, maybe referencing Tobacco or some other addictive drug?<br />Or maybe it&#39;s the present day, and he&#39;s talking about opioids or all drugs combined.<br /><br />WE NEED THEORIES OR ANSWERS!


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13268'>&gt;&gt;13268</a><br />nice fanfiction<br /><a class='reference' href='#post13278'>&gt;&gt;13278</a><br />nanon i don&#39;t know how to tell you...


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post842'>&gt;&gt;842</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post843'>&gt;&gt;843</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post860'>&gt;&gt;860</a><br />lol looked mine up and I&#39;m at 43.231.230.168 come at me faggots


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post978'>&gt;&gt;978</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post983'>&gt;&gt;983</a><br />Asukafag is not the 25% hapa. I am the 25% asian hapa, and I am based.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  there is as much multiverse inside us as outside us. there is no herb that kills everyone, herbs will be varying degrees of helpful and harmful depending on the individual interacting with it


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  dale pendell&#39;s books pharmako poeia, dynamis, and gnosis are worth considering. also true hallucinatioms and the archaic revival by terrence mckenna. erowid.org has a very extensive  library list of botany books, focused on entheogens.<br /><br />worth noting is that i personally believe the spirit can transcend the body and carry on into other dimensions. humanoids would think the person has died because the physical body is unresponsive on their layer of reality, but the person&#39;s soul may be alive on their soul journeys. happens very often perhaps? anyway your story is interesting yet i feel there are always lots of plants in play. nanon mentioned tobacco and opiods, others might presume cocaine or ayhuasca or peyote or marijuana. some villify datura, deer enjoy it. then there are intense entheogens. i like floral entheogens, others like magic mushrooms. they are on their paths and i am on mine. what helps them might harm me, and vice-versa. plant selection monoculture seems unlikely, so many thousands of plants in the markets, those wise enough to identify highly-healing plants for wide populaces are likely to recommend variety, personal discovery and individuation, and a broad selection of plants worth considering-- these are actions most people do socially.  thanks for writing an interesting and thought-provoking story, hope the responses are to your liking


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  I tried to compress the text for those who didn&#39;t understand:<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There was a place called &quot;Freedom Land&quot;. This place had many kingdoms, one of those was very small and &#39;hidden&#39; from the others.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This kingdom was a Micro Monarchy, with people paying taxes (the &quot;cattle&quot;), the all-powerful Lord and another class called &quot;Copiers&quot; (the ones that would &#39;copy&#39; personas and use them).</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;You might think this Kingdom was very happy, a true paradise, since it was hidden from the others. But the kingdom started to be influenced by &quot;pariah&quot; people, which brought strange leafs.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The &#39;cattle&#39; called it &quot;Chosen&quot; and used these leafs to make a extract, which was very &#39;yummy&#39;.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The population got addicted to it to this herb very fast and soon everybody in the kingdom was using it.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;One of the &quot;Copiers&quot; realised this herb was toxic and would eventually destroy the whole kingdom. To stop it, he tried to show that to the Cattles.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The Cattle thought he was crazy, schizophrenic, and got aggressive and humiliated him, throwing leftovers from their &quot;Chosen extract&quot; at him.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;He didn&#39;t gave up, and after years studying in isolation the Lords decided to censor his work, since they were receiving taxes from the herb and he represented a threat to the wealth of the Lords.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;To force him giving up from his work about the toxicity of the herb, the Lords organized a &#39;protest&#39; using the addicted Cattle people.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;It didn&#39;t worked out very well and the protest developed into a &#39;war&#39; scenario.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;The Lord himself got hurt and decided to put the blame on the schizophrenic &quot;Copier&quot;.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;He decided for &#39;capital punishment&#39; and public torture for the amusement of the &quot;Cattle&quot; people.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;As the schizophrenic Copier predicted, the kingdom got destroyed by the herb in the end. He was killed for trying to show their own demise.</span><br /><br /><br />5/10 fanfic.<br />This might be the antipornfag. If it is: you&#39;re not a messiah. Porn will not destroy our &#39;kingdom&#39;. Fuck off.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: ff81cec8c923efcb4531c723c7b0dbf661131de1735fc75de42b15e459bb6629.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5469'>&gt;&gt;5469</a><br />There&#39;s no reason to use vmm for that. Read the thread.<br />I do think, though, applying properly pledge and unveil to the Tor client would be very nice. You could ask on the mailing list if that would be possible for the port maintainer (pascal@) to could apply a patch for it...<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/net/tor/'>https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/net/tor/</a>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post997'>&gt;&gt;997</a><br />I&#39;m not talking about asukafag, I&#39;m talking about asuka.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5470'>&gt;&gt;5470</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Read the thread.</span><br />I did and all I saw was fanboys either lacking any understanding of what the point of whonix is or (more likely) pretending to.<br />Is vmm not capable of such a setup? From the docs it seems like it should be.


Board: b
Name: sage
Email: sage
Subject: sage
File: c6a49dc51a23046389a9b9e0e468e802ce3cf07b9ac7bf757facda14786d3b65.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post897'>&gt;&gt;897</a><br />I was the &quot;antiantipornfag&quot; from the other thread. I&#39;ve already explained my reasoning behind doing the &#39;spam&#39;. I&#39;m not &#39;braindamaged&#39;, I just want to show the antipornfag he is wrong or is doing his activism the wrong way.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post915'>&gt;&gt;915</a><br />Then stay. I don&#39;t hate you, probably no one does hate you here. You should just stop your retardation about porn for a while, that&#39;s all.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post974'>&gt;&gt;974</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;I just watched AoT a month ago</span><br />A true hapa would never say &quot;AoT&quot;, but &quot;SnK&quot;. Hah, gotcha.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Democracy is cancer and leftism is just a symptom.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;My &quot;philosophy&quot; (it&#39;s really just common sense) is allowing as much freedom as possible</span><br />Imagine having this amount of cognitive dissonance. Jeez.<br />Also:<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;There are nearly no hapas in my school</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Fortunately, there are a lot of chinks and japs here</span><br />More cogdis.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;guess what bitch you won&#39;t see any money from me ever because you&#39;re a subhuman chink</span><br />Why do you have so much hate? If what you described is true, I can assure you all your parents want is for you to be well. Maybe they are not right in their methods, but their motivation is still valid. Think about that. You&#39;ve said yourself the goal of &quot;every organism [is] to propagate&quot;... wouldn&#39;t you try to make your son a better person than yourself? This is what they are trying to do. Again, their methods might not be right, but they are trying.<br /><br />Didn&#39;t read the other posts, fuck it.<br />Also, I don&#39;t see /b/ often, only the overboard. See ya.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5371'>&gt;&gt;5371</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;lacking any understanding</span><br />Explain then.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Is vmm not capable of such a setup?</span><br />Probably is. You have to do basically as the OP tutorial, but instead of routing to Tor ports you use the vmm interface. But there&#39;s no point in doing that, since a simple rule in pf will do the same thing.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post12112'>&gt;&gt;12112</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;it&#39;s not safe</span><br />That&#39;s why you should ascend to the level of a true chad and cover yourself with flashing lights. Also, ride right in the middle of the road and play loud music. No one will accidentally hit you, then.<br />For bonus points put a machine gun at the back and the front so you can shoot people who are intentionally trying to run you over.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 992a8c37e935ee87af6d3247e3473fea36bc0b8090c88644dc6bc02326159ca2.gif
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5465'>&gt;&gt;5465</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Waterfox</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;nice browser</span><br />O RLY?<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox.html'>https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox.html</a>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13287'>&gt;&gt;13287</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;flashing lights</span><br />It doesn&#39;t work very well. In daylight it is ineffective and at night there is still big trucks that can&#39;t see shit and don&#39;t care about cyclists. Here in my country cyclists die smashed by trucks every single day.<br />For commuting, bycicle is great (or any human-powered transportation). But for &gt;1km city trip it&#39;s not safe at all.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  A big downside of biking is that it&#39; slow. There&#39;s no way a biker could keep up with me going 70 miles per hour.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13288'>&gt;&gt;13288</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Hurr duzent werk</span><br />That just means you need to increase the power of your flashing lights. Use lights that blind all surrounding drivers and automatic high power laser systems that make beams in the air. Not only can no one not notice you, all drivers will be blinded and swerve off the road before they can hit you. Perfect solution 9/9.<br /><a class='reference' href='#post13289'>&gt;&gt;13289</a><br />Bullshit. A true chad attaches a powerful engine to his bicycle so he can go not just <i>as fast</i>, but <i>even faster</i> than the fastest cars. The chaddest of chads attach aerospace-grade turbojet engines and collapsible wings to their bicycles so that they can fly out of range of police and military vehicles.<br />What, are you telling me you just pedal with your scrawny little feet like a fuckin pleb???


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5473'>&gt;&gt;5473</a><br />Are there any browsers that provide XUL support other than waterfox?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post927'>&gt;&gt;927</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post928'>&gt;&gt;928</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;hakase used to hate boomers so much any boomer posts got deleted for no reason other than hakase being mad at them (despite most wanting the stupid age war to stop)</span><br />Huh, you know, it makes total sense now in hindsight. No idea why I never made that connection before<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;just like him</span><br />What? Why am I (<a class='reference' href='#post924'>&gt;&gt;924</a>) underaged?


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 1e56dfb9a9c890c320270e8d826ddad213088a3852a1c93a0bd24b87cb829f6b.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13290'>&gt;&gt;13290</a><br />A motor on a bike huh.<br /><br />Taking off from the lights really fast does make you safer, assmad cagers cannot keep up.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13050'>&gt;&gt;13050</a><br />That&#39;s gonna sound cuckchanny as fuck but moar plz.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: f688771fe675d70bdf1d3150b627f8be1105dcf205f634462e54ec020f2bc4a9.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13292'>&gt;&gt;13292</a><br />This is the ugliest slut in my folder and you&#39;re asking for more?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1003'>&gt;&gt;1003</a><br />You have the same /pol/-tier, very simple understanding of world.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post992'>&gt;&gt;992</a><br /><a class='reference' href='#post993'>&gt;&gt;993</a><br />I&#39;m glad you took the, say, bait, but very sad that one can even consider said behavior possible, even on imageboards.<br />Anyway, I didn&#39;t read it, I hate reading on screen, just scrolled through it, but various ultraleft and individualist people said pretty much the same as him centuries ago, what&#39;s, say, unique about him is his fervent obscurantism and hatred towards anything left, ie towards anything that can actually deal, or try to deal, with the said issues. If he was a serious writer/philosopher I&#39;d call him very normal american hack. He&#39;s traditionalist and not revolutionary though, so I&#39;m not suprised.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post12088'>&gt;&gt;12088</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;high (~99% efficiency)</span><br />Nope. Humans don&#39;t absorb 100% of the food energy consumed (read about bioavailability). And we lose energy when doing exercise, since we have to maintain other parts of the body that is not related to the leg movement (brain, mostly).<br />Also, the bicycle gear will have some degree of friction, the aerodynamic drag from your body against the air and rolling resistence from tires.<br />Not 99% efficient.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Galois released the slides from their BESSPIN Project, for DARPA SSITH program:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://twitter.com/DARPA/status/1156265896912064518'>https://twitter.com/DARPA/status/1156265896912064518</a><br /><br />It is a secure RISC-V processor, using formal proofs. In the same fashion of previous Crash-SAFE and Draper DOVER. Official page:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://galois.com/project/besspin/'>https://galois.com/project/besspin/</a><br /><br />They will demonstrate the technology this month in the DEFCON 2019 (Las Vegas).


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 0cc7c609f5882b3773cf2b65d07fcda1ed6bf78965a0407cf363d2a5d69633dd.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1006'>&gt;&gt;1006</a><br />I read everything from Thoreau, hell, I&#39;m the one who first wrote his name on this board. What&#39;s your point?


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Swarthy Illuminescence Rules the Day
File: 5a1f5ca6686523bed3daedd24a46cf25888bc5bfb5324c064fc8faec27f8c95e.jpg
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;The Justice Department has decided against prosecuting former FBI Director James Comey for leaking classified information following a referral from the department’s inspector general</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://archive.is/umQD0'>https://archive.is/umQD0</a><br /><br />Gotta problem with that, goyim? Believe the <span class='kiketext'>(((Elite)))</span> are protecting their own? Well FUCK YOU! Now you&#39;re classified as a potential terrorist.<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;&quot;FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat&quot;</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://archive.is/XlAKv'>https://archive.is/XlAKv</a>


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: ec3e27e4bf3124a2172fadf5eda32de5ec41f525906083ff97a9e96cd97e75f1.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1007'>&gt;&gt;1007</a><br />He, along with whitman, are prime examples of what being proper american means. Kinda sad that american died when 20th century came.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 66031c22dccb8ad15c6abf2d668e22620d2dbb2a302a1da25724cd575cf3d325.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post988'>&gt;&gt;988</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;overview of leftism is kinda novel to me; not that I ever cared about them though</span><br />Then you missed out on pretty much everything, as they are, literally, the only ones struggling to explain today&#39;s problem, phenomens and present solutions etc.<br />Despite Thoreau being more of an ultraleftist than anything else in his meanings and living on completely different earth and being a very bad example, rightists who are not interested in exploiting have one thing in common and that is just abandoning things without ever trying to understand underlying concepts and so on, just escaping them so they can return and haunt them in another form or focusing on symptoms, as is very in fashion right now, now that this hasteful world is overfilled with meaningless and cheap garbage, information and everything, hindered with &#39;work&#39;.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13295'>&gt;&gt;13295</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;we have to maintain other parts of the body that is not related to the leg movement</span><br />Those have to be maintained in any case, including when you drive a car instead. They are therefore discounted.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the bicycle gear will have some degree of friction</span><br />That&#39;s the ~1%<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the aerodynamic drag from your body against the air and rolling resistance from tires.</span><br />This is discounted from calculations for cars as well. 


Board: pol
Name: Nanonymous
File: 0e1cdbd07055a32fc62511b87ebfe800a5b8787c8a3f1a076782714b81c296b9.png
Comment:
  kek, stay mad nigger. the fact this place even exists is thanks to japan, they literally created imageboards and are the only reason you get to be a faggot anonymously online.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5473'>&gt;&gt;5473</a><br /><br />The reddit discussion that is liked in that blog post is quite illuminating, as the Dev responds to the concerns.<br /><br />The phoning home to Googlag is more than a little worrying however, I&#39;d like to learn more about that.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post5474'>&gt;&gt;5474</a><br /><br />Pale Moon/Basilisk?


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: nanochan Dark Theme v1.4.0
File: 3c7982b5a5ced3bc3384df535e09bff6878fc7cc204c41eee7c11f67c74b09b3.pdf
Comment:
  See you space cowboy edition<br /><br />I&#39;ve finally found some time to finish working on this theme and now it&#39;s done, i&#39;ve rewrited and reorganized most of the theme so i&#39;m not even gonna try to make a complete changelog, i will list the major changes only.<br />I have finally made a better effort in documenting and organizing the code, now there are a lot of comments describing every sub-section and the code is divided into more clear sections with a NAVIGATION index at the top, this should make editing and forking the theme more easy.<br />Now all the colors are organized into CSS variables at the top in the VARIABLES section, this should make it extremely easy to make color variations of the theme, just edit the variables with your preferred colors.<br />I won&#39;t port the mobile version cause it&#39;s not really worth it, but if somebody cares about it just comment out the TOP BAR sub-section regarding the boards order override, then resize catalog threads and resize the postform textarea accordingly to your screen size and you should be done.<br />I&#39;ve also made lot of small changes like some styling modifications to forms, a clickable logo on the navbar, a footer like it was in origin, a completely different style for tables and i resized the postform so it doesn&#39;t overlay with long posts.<br />I will post a bunch of mirrors and also upload using the PDF trick cause pastebin took down one of the links in the past.<br /><br />NO JS required, clearnet, text, raw text<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://pastebin.com/raw/Nj3uupMR'>https://pastebin.com/raw/Nj3uupMR</a><br />JS required, clearnet, encrypted, text<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://0bin.net/paste/hLemndMA0leFjAfd#OILP7Bu+9dV1o0NFXeo6I-zqQ5FNb2X9iWSHHeta6dT'>https://0bin.net/paste/hLemndMA0leFjAfd#OILP7Bu+9dV1o0NFXeo6I-zqQ5FNb2X9iWSHHeta6dT</a><br />JS required, darknet, encrypted, text, raw text(recommended)<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://zerobinqmdqd236y.onion/?967696a129acf58d#jQiu3dNZRdYzXg+z/NEbQcWpVkTbolGFInVrGYBN6aU='>http://zerobinqmdqd236y.onion/?967696a129acf58d#jQiu3dNZRdYzXg+z/NEbQcWpVkTbolGFInVrGYBN6aU=</a><br />No JS required, clearnet, file<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://anonfile.com/08E8S419nf/nanochan_Dark_Theme_v1.4.0_css'>https://anonfile.com/08E8S419nf/nanochan_Dark_Theme_v1.4.0_css</a><br />JS required, clearnet, file, text<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://ge.tt/2UfpaMx2'>http://ge.tt/2UfpaMx2</a><br /><br />So this marks the end of this little project, when i find the time i will start working on a userscript(maybe).


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5473'>&gt;&gt;5473</a><br /><br />It&#39;s also kinda funny that one of the lists linked there declares Ungoogled-Chromium the holy-grail, when it seems to get dismissed and shat all over elsewhere as &quot;just some project a student did&quot;.<br /><br />Why doesn&#39;t the Tor team use it (Ungoogled-Chromium) and uMatrix instead of shitty Firefox?


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5473'>&gt;&gt;5473</a><br /><br />According to this:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://old.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/aizc01/please_dont_use_tracking_scripts_on_your_website/'>https://old.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/aizc01/please_dont_use_tracking_scripts_on_your_website/</a><br /><br />You can simply disable through an extension, which would seem to mean that it is their site that used Google Analytics, not the browser.<br /><br />I checked just now and uMatrix shows no connections on their site being made to Google Analytics.<br /><br />So it&#39;s either embedded in the browser to run on startup (seems unlikely), or it was on their site and, now, is not.<br /><br />I agree that it is still hypocritical of them to do so, but not as big of an issue as it sounds.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Their current Privacy Policy makes a distinction between their website and their browser.<br />Their browser does not collect personal information:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://www.waterfox.net/privacy/'>https://www.waterfox.net/privacy/</a>


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
File: 9970430bbc27bcddd125a83cf4fc41242034492a3b61290d81694c4362c485e3.png
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13299'>&gt;&gt;13299</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Those have to be maintained in any case</span><br />Not in the same degree when you&#39;re doing exercise. For example, to prevent overheat your body will produce sweat. To keep balance, you&#39;ll have to use your vestibular system, which uses the cerebelum:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestibular_system'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestibular_system</a><br /><br />Also, you will use more your cognition to process possible obstacles that cars will not have because they have specific roads for them (most countries still don&#39;t have appropriate cyclepaths). Wikipedia has a very complete article about cycling safety:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_safety'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_safety</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;That&#39;s the ~1%</span><br />Not according to this:<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Even a new, well-oiled chain will lose about 3% of the power that is put into the pedals.</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;If the pulleys are good quality with steel bearings then about 1.5% of the power is lost.</span><br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://ridefar.info/bike/cycling-speed/mechanical-resistance/'>https://ridefar.info/bike/cycling-speed/mechanical-resistance/</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;This is discounted from calculations for cars as well.</span><br />True. Though, with velomobiles/cars you have the possibility to create more aerodynamic shapes. Most people will use the &#39;upright&#39; riding style and this creates &quot;19.9% more air resistance&quot;:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='http://web.archive.org/web/20190801234508/https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/how-to-be-more-aero'>http://web.archive.org/web/20190801234508/https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/how-to-be-more-aero</a><br /><br />Whereas with velomobiles/cars you can use shapes that will cause much less drag. There&#39;s a list here, some production cars reaches as little as 0.2 coefficent:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient#Typical_drag_coefficients'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient#Typical_drag_coefficients</a><br /><br />I know I&#39;m sounding very obnoxious, so I&#39;ll say that again: I&#39;m not against bicycles, just trying to show there is some drawbacks.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5473'>&gt;&gt;5473</a><br /><br />Just tested Waterfox using mitmproxy as mentioned here:<br /><a rel='noreferrer' href='https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/liftingtheveil.html'>https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/liftingtheveil.html</a><br /><br />Waterfox does not phone home to Google Analytics.


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Futaba
Comment:
  Change VARIABLES section to:<br /><br />:root {<br />	--primary-color:   #FFFFEE; /*Background, table headings*/<br />	--secondary-color: #F0E1D7; /*Navbar, catalog threads, page containers, posts containers, forms*/<br />	--tertiary-color:  #e3d2c9; /*Form elements, table alternate table rows*/<br />	--selection-color: #FFFFFF; /*Selected text background*/<br />	--border-color:    #D9BFB7; /*Borders*/<br />	<br />	--text-color:      #9B0000; /*Text*/<br />	--link-color:      #0000EE; /*Links, clickable elements*/<br />	--dead-color:      #FF002C; /*Dead links, dead boards*/<br />	--title-color:     #9B0000; /*Board titles, page titles*/<br />	--subtitle-color:  #9B0000; /*Board subtitles*/<br />	--subject-color:   #9B0000; /*Post subjects*/<br />	--data-color:      #9B0000; /*Timestamps, replycounts*/<br />	--name-color:      #117743; /*Names*/<br />	--capcode-color:   #FF223B; /*Capcodes*/<br />	--greentext-color: #789922; /*Greentext*/<br />	--pinktext-color:  #AA6666; /*Pinktext*/<br />	--redtext-color:   #FF002C; /*Redtext*/<br />}<br /><br />Change 2nd subsection of the MAIN, MOD, LOG, STATS AND ERROR PAGES section to:<br /><br />#front-page-logo {<br />	filter: hue-rotate(250deg) brightness(92%) saturate(76%);<br />}


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Subject: Burichan
Comment:
  Change VARIABLES section to:<br /><br />:root {<br />	--primary-color:   #EEF2FF; /*Background, table headings*/<br />	--secondary-color: #D6DAF0; /*Navbar, catalog threads, page containers, posts containers, forms*/<br />	--tertiary-color:  #c4caeb; /*Form elements, table alternate table rows*/<br />	--selection-color: #FFFFFF; /*Selected text background*/<br />	--border-color:    #B7C5D9; /*Borders*/<br />	<br />	--text-color:      #000000; /*Text*/<br />	--link-color:      #34345C; /*Links, clickable elements*/<br />	--dead-color:      #AF0A0F; /*Dead links, dead boards*/<br />	--title-color:     #AF0A0F; /*Board titles, page titles*/<br />	--subtitle-color:  #AF0A0F; /*Board subtitles*/<br />	--subject-color:   #AF0A0F; /*Post subjects*/<br />	--data-color:      #000000; /*Timestamps, replycounts*/<br />	--name-color:      #117743; /*Names*/<br />	--capcode-color:   #FF223B; /*Capcodes*/<br />	--greentext-color: #789922; /*Greentext*/<br />	--pinktext-color:  #AA6666; /*Pinktext*/<br />	--redtext-color:   #FF002C; /*Redtext*/<br />}<br /><br />Change 2nd subsection of the MAIN, MOD, LOG, STATS AND ERROR PAGES section to: <br /><br />#front-page-logo {<br />	filter: hue-rotate(95deg) brightness(89%) saturate(85%);<br />}


Board: meta
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <span class='greentext'>&gt;using Links</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Menu &gt; View &gt; Color</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Text: d5c4a1</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Link: d5c4a1</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Background: 151515</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;[x] Ignore document color</span><br />Done. No CSS bullshit.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5404'>&gt;&gt;5404</a><br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Windows is superior for visual/audio software dev.</span><br /><br />Superior or not (debatable), this makes it sound like it&#39;s okay to use Windows (which spies on people, reinforces ignorance, laziness and stupidity) is &quot;okay&quot; so long it&#39;s &quot;necessary&quot; or you &quot;have to&quot;.<br />Unless you have to work for a business that&#39;s technically retarded (and have no reasonable sway over the retarded leadership), there is no excuse for that.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5472'>&gt;&gt;5472</a><br />If someone got to execute arbitrary code on  such a set up, wouldn&#39;t it suffice to execute the openbsd alternative of `ip addr`? Even if there&#39;s a way (I&#39;m pretty sure there is) of preventing a user from executing such a command, it&#39;s still hard to tracks all these little things. And still, the advisory would be able to know a lot about your system. <br />With whonix however you don&#39;t need to think about every detail, if you need access to something outside the vm you have to explicitly allow it first, from the host of course. And most of the time you don&#39;t need anything besides accessing one or two folders on the host. Needless to say the vm adds another barrier: &quot;just&quot; getting root access on the vm where the browser runs wouldn&#39;t give the attacker much info.<br />Also, whonix uses an isolating proxy, not a transparent one like OP.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
File: 2b2157653dcc467a828d310bfcf57744b9ffa07c6ea6c3d684e7cfc29de062ec.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post5483'>&gt;&gt;5483</a><br />I already answered the same questions you did in <a class='reference' href='#post4743'>&gt;&gt;4743</a><br />But let&#39;s do it again:<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;execute arbitrary code</span><br />If you execute arbitrary code on the VM you will be fucked the same way. The attacker could simply modify the Tor client to enable them to see your real IP.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;preventing a user from executing such a command</span><br />With the OP setup the attacker would need to find a exploit in the pf firewall and disable/modify it. Also, as I said before, most of openbsd base system is now privsep&#39;d with pledge and unveil.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;&quot;just&quot; getting root access on the vm where the browser runs wouldn&#39;t give the attacker much info.</span><br />Getting root is always game over.<br />I don&#39;t get why you guys can&#39;t understand it. Do you think VM is a magick trick for security?<br />The attacker could easily replace the Tor binary with another one modified if he had root access. Or he could drop the firewall, open any door he wanted and a simple TCP request would reveal your real IP. Example using openbsd (linux would be the same process, but using some different commands):<br /><br />#/bin/sh<br />ftp <a rel='noreferrer' href='https://example.com/tor.gz'>https://example.com/tor.gz</a> -o -<br />rm -rf /usr/local/bin/tor* /var/tor<br />cp tor.gz /usr/local/bin/<br />gunzip /usr/local/bin/tor.gz<br />pkill -SIGHUP tor<br /><br />You wouldn&#39;t even know someone modified your Tor VM and would be like 2 seconds to run the script.<br />Virtual machines does not defeat the laws of reality, stop thinking it&#39;s the solution for security, it is not.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1004'>&gt;&gt;1004</a><br />And why is /pol/ considered simplistic? Considering you have the idea that /pol/ is a hive mind, I think you&#39;re the guy with a &quot;very simple understanding of world&quot;. Oh yeah, and so that makes you underaged, apparently.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: b70d4b83723a0c24934ab9e00c9ffa82f1ba6454b1977cc20c4bc6e533d9937c.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1016'>&gt;&gt;1016</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the [insert group here, normally jews] are destroying everything!</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;the solution is to close the country in a totalitariam state</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;kill everyone, except [insert his race here]</span><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;after that, everybody will be happy!</span><br />Aaaand... bibbidi-bobbidi-boo!<br />We are not in Wonderland, Alice.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;/pol/ is a hive mind</span><br />Mostly a cult for idiotic nationalists.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post4141'>&gt;&gt;4141</a><br />I know the feels.<br /><br /><a class='reference' href='#post4143'>&gt;&gt;4143</a><br /><br />I think they are more okay than any of us.<br />THEY ARE WASHING FUCKING LENTILS, WHAT ARE WE DOING???<br /><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;SearX</span><br /><br />Is awesome.<br />See the Search Engines thread.


Board: g
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  No it wouldn&#39;t be perfect or totally 100% l33t anonymous, but some kinda real voice changing thing would be terrific, that I can tell you, believe me.<br /><br />Maybe (and im outside my retarded bounds of retarded knowledge, like a retard here), but could you not just pipe the audio through something like Ardour (which I don&#39;t know how to use), mess it up a little, and spew it back out?


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: a46eb3702918e29007e86cd316c4b02a3ad8347590f9b6be6cb25616435bb6c1.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1005'>&gt;&gt;1005</a><br />What bait? The Jew shit? Let&#39;s say I&#39;m kinda hypersensitive to this mental retardation of /pol/. Everything must be blamed on Jews, even though Jews themselves state that it kinda got them where they are. Institutional oppression and non-inclusivity with other folks will do that to you.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;but various ultraleft and individualist people said pretty much the same as him centuries ago</span><br />Well, you better read it because he explains why the current situation is even worse, and he admits not being unique. But anyway, blaming somebody mentioning the same issues as other in not being &quot;unique&quot; is braindamaged.<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;He&#39;s traditionalist and not revolutionary though, so I&#39;m not suprised.</span><br />He&#39;s revolutionary in a sense that he is radical. I even want to say everybody who is radical is a revolutionary. It&#39;s how radical thinking works.<br />And I believe traditionalism is for preserving current trends, not for changing them. The current trend is the deepening and widening of the industrial society, &#39;tis pretty evident.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
File: 48237d7c01a5cb0988f48e76f13749e4fd1025302550f8e05adff22655330303.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post1011'>&gt;&gt;1011</a><br />I don&#39;t see how you call people rooting for everyone to go innawoods &quot;leftists&quot;, but whatever.<br />Leftism is pretty much set in stone as a state-backed machine trying to give you some civil freedoms. No state means no left (or right, for that matter).<br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;they can return and haunt them in another form or focusing on symptoms</span><br />I don&#39;t believe Ted focuses much on symptoms. He doesn&#39;t provide a solution though. I mean, even if his revolution happens, it&#39;s not exactly hard to go through the same process again. It could take like half a millenium, but we&#39;d be at the same place again.<br />Like, I wouldn&#39;t call him a hack. I would call him desperate though.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13151'>&gt;&gt;13151</a><br /><span class='greentext'>&gt;Do you feel deep remorse about not passing your genes?</span><br />I have passed on my genes. But I pity my kids, and especially their kids. I&#39;m teaching them survival skills, small-arms skills, and small unit tactics, as that&#39;s what&#39;s going to be most useful in the western, formerly white world of climate change, niggers, and Central American savages. America and Canada will look like Brazil or South Africa in 50 years. That&#39;s not a good thing, unless you&#39;re a shitskin criminal.


Board: l
Name: Nanonymous
Email: sage
File: e037713175d31ca6c9f3799504f3fd79770c1c14c8395454c9fb4fded19b8fd4.jpg
Comment:
  <a class='reference' href='#post13268'>&gt;&gt;13268</a><br />Come back and try again when you&#39;ve learnt to write proper English.


Board: b
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  Where can I find the original copy of the manifesto? I know NYT published it back in the day, but they probably took it down, right?


Board: ar
Name: UNABOMBER
Subject: INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE
Comment:
  INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE<br /><br />Introduction<br /><br />1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.<br /><br />2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.<br /><br />3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later.<br /><br />4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence; it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can’t predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a POLITICAL revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society.<br /><br />5. In this article we give attention to only some of the negative developments that have grown out of the industrial-technological system. Other such developments we mention only briefly or ignore altogether. This does not mean that we regard these other developments as unimportant. For practical reasons we have to confine our discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which we have something new to say. For example, since there are well-developed environmental and wilderness movements, we have written very little about environmental degradation or the destruction of wild nature, even though we consider these to be highly important.<br /><br />THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM<br /><br />6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.<br /><br />7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology. (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)<br /><br />8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less clear than we would wish, but there doesn’t seem to be any remedy for this. All we are trying to do here is indicate in a rough and approximate way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of the 19th and early 20th centuries.<br /><br />9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call “feelings of inferiority” and “oversocialization.” Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.<br /><br />FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY<br /><br />10. By “feelings of inferiority” we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strict sense but a whole spectrum of related traits; low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self- hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have some such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.<br /><br />11. When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is pronounced among minority rights activists, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. They are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities and about anything that is said concerning minorities. The terms “negro,” “oriental,” “handicapped” or “chick” for an African, an Asian, a disabled person or a woman originally had no derogatory connotation. “Broad” and “chick” were merely the feminine equivalents of “guy,” “dude” or “fellow.” The negative connotations have been attached to these terms by the activists themselves. Some animal rights activists have gone so far as to reject the word “pet” and insist on its replacement by “animal companion.” Leftish anthropologists go to great lengths to avoid saying anything about primitive peoples that could conceivably be interpreted as negative. They want to replace the world “primitive” by “nonliterate.” They seem almost paranoid about anything that might suggest that any primitive culture is inferior to our own. (We do not mean to imply that primitive cultures ARE inferior to ours. We merely point out the hypersensitivity of leftish anthropologists.)<br /><br />12. Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect” terminology are not the average black ghetto- dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed” group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle- to upper-middle-class families.<br /><br />13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. (We do not mean to suggest that women, Indians, etc. ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology.)<br /><br />14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.<br /><br />15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.<br /><br />16. Words like “self-confidence,” “self-reliance,” “initiative,” “enterprise,” “optimism,” etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.<br /><br />17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftish intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.<br /><br />18. Modern leftish philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftish philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.<br /><br />19. The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. [1] But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself.<br /><br />20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.<br /><br />21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists’ hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.<br /><br />22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.<br /><br />23. We emphasize that the foregoing does not pretend to be an accurate description of everyone who might be considered a leftist. It is only a rough indication of a general tendency of leftism.<br /><br />OVERSOCIALIZATION<br /><br />24. Psychologists use the term “socialization” to designate the process by which children are trained to think and act as society demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists are oversocialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such rebels as they seem.<br /><br />25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term “oversocialized” to describe such people. [2]<br /><br />26. Oversocialization can lead to low self-esteem, a sense of powerlessness, defeatism, guilt, etc. One of the most important means by which our society socializes children is by making them feel ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary to society’s expectations. If this is overdone, or if a particular child is especially susceptible to such feelings, he ends by feeling ashamed of HIMSELF. Moreover the thought and the behavior of the oversocialized person are more restricted by society’s expectations than are those of the lightly socialized person. The majority of people engage in a significant amount of naughty behavior. They lie, they commit petty thefts, they break traffic laws, they goof off at work, they hate someone, they say spiteful things or they use some underhanded trick to get ahead of the other guy. The oversocialized person cannot do these things, or if he does do them he generates in himself a sense of shame and self-hatred. The oversocialized person cannot even experience, without guilt, thoughts or feelings that are contrary to the accepted morality; he cannot think “unclean” thoughts. And socialization is not just a matter of morality; we are socialized to conform to many norms of behavior that do not fall under the heading of morality. Thus the oversocialized person is kept on a psychological leash and spends his life running on rails that society has laid down for him. In many oversocialized people this results in a sense of constraint and powerlessness that can be a severe hardship. We suggest that oversocialization is among the more serious cruelties that human beings inflict on one another.<br /><br />27. We argue that a very important and influential segment of the modern left is oversocialized and that their oversocialization is of great importance in determining the direction of modern leftism. Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university intellectuals [3] constitute the most highly socialized segment of our society and also the most left-wing segment.<br /><br />28. The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals of today’s leftists are NOT in conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of its middle and upper classes [4] for a long time. These values are explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of truth) that society is not living up to these principles.<br /><br />29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black “underclass” they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black- style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers “responsible,” they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial-technological system. The system couldn’t care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values.<br /><br />30. We certainly do not claim that leftists, even of the oversocialized type, NEVER rebel against the fundamental values of our society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some oversocialized leftists have gone so far as to rebel against one of modern society’s most important principles by engaging in physical violence. By their own account, violence is for them a form of “liberation.” In other words, by committing violence they break through the psychological restraints that have been trained into them. Because they are oversocialized these restraints have been more confining for them than for others; hence their need to break free of them. But they usually justify their rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage in violence they claim to be fighting against racism or the like.<br /><br />31. We realize that many objections could be raised to the foregoing thumbnail sketch of leftist psychology. The real situation is complex, and anything like a complete description of it would take several volumes even if the necessary data were available. We claim only to have indicated very roughly the two most important tendencies in the psychology of modern leftism.<br /><br />32. The problems of the leftist are indicative of the problems of our society as a whole. Low self-esteem, depressive tendencies and defeatism are not restricted to the left. Though they are especially noticeable in the left, they are widespread in our society. And today’s society tries to socialize us to a greater extent than any previous society. We are even told by experts how to eat, how to exercise, how to make love, how to raise our kids and so forth.<br /><br />THE POWER PROCESS<br /><br />33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42-44).<br /><br />34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one’s power.<br /><br />35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.<br /><br />36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.<br /><br />37, Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.<br /><br />SURROGATE ACTIVITIES<br /><br />38. But not every leisured aristocrat becomes bored and demoralized. For example, the emperor Hirohito, instead of sinking into decadent hedonism, devoted himself to marine biology, a field in which he became distinguished. When people do not have to exert themselves to satisfy their physical needs they often set up artificial goals for themselves. In many cases they then pursue these goals with the same energy and emotional involvement that they otherwise would have put into the search for physical necessities. Thus the aristocrats of the Roman Empire had their literary pretensions; many European aristocrats a few centuries ago invested tremendous time and energy in hunting, though they certainly didn’t need the meat; other aristocracies have competed for status through elaborate displays of wealth; and a few aristocrats, like Hirohito, have turned to science.<br /><br />39. We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the “fulfillment” that they get from pursuing the goal. Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental faculties in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X? If the answer is no, then the person’s pursuit of goal X is a surrogate activity. Hirohito’s studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting non-scientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn’t know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals. On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)<br /><br />40. In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take the physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society is full of surrogate activities. These include scientific work, athletic achievement, humanitarian work, artistic and literary creation, climbing the corporate ladder, acquisition of money and material goods far beyond the point at which they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction, and social activism when it addresses issues that are not important for the activist personally, as in the case of white activists who work for the rights of nonwhite minorities. These are not always PURE surrogate activities, since for many people they may be motivated in part by needs other than the need to have some goal to pursue. Scientific work may be motivated in part by a drive for prestige, artistic creation by a need to express feelings, militant social activism by hostility. But for most people who pursue them, these activities are in large part surrogate activities. For example, the majority of scientists will probably agree that the “fulfillment” they get from their work is more important than the money and prestige they earn.<br /><br />41. For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that is because in our society the effort needed to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs AUTONOMOUSLY but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.<br /><br />AUTONOMY<br /><br />42. Autonomy as a part of the power process may not be necessary for every individual. But most people need a greater or lesser degree of autonomy in working toward their goals. Their efforts must be undertaken on their own initiative and must be under their own direction and control. Yet most people do not have to exert this initiative, direction and control as single individuals. It is usually enough to act as a member of a SMALL group. Thus if half a dozen people discuss a goal among themselves and make a successful joint effort to attain that goal, their need for the power process will be served. But if they work under rigid orders handed down from above that leave them no room for autonomous decision and initiative, then their need for the power process will not be served. The same is true when decisions are made on a collective basis if the group making the collective decision is so large that the role of each individual is insignificant. [5]<br /><br />43. It is true that some individuals seem to have little need for autonomy. Either their drive for power is weak or they satisfy it by identifying themselves with some powerful organization to which they belong. And then there are unthinking, animal types who seem to be satisfied with a purely physical sense of power (the good combat soldier, who gets his sense of power by developing fighting skills that he is quite content to use in blind obedience to his superiors).<br /><br />44. But for most people it is through the power process—having a goal, making an AUTONOMOUS effort and attaining the goal—that self-esteem, self-confidence and a sense of power are acquired. When one does not have adequate opportunity to go through the power process the consequences are (depending on the individual and on the way the power process is disrupted) boredom, demoralization, low self-esteem, inferiority feelings, defeatism, depression, anxiety, guilt, frustration, hostility, spouse or child abuse, insatiable hedonism, abnormal sexual behavior, sleep disorders, eating disorders, etc. [6]


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  SOURCES OF SOCIAL PROBLEMS<br /><br />45. Any of the foregoing symptoms can occur in any society, but in modern industrial society they are present on a massive scale. We aren’t the first to mention that the world today seems to be going crazy. This sort of thing is not normal for human societies. There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man is. It is true that not all was sweetness and light in primitive societies. Abuse of women was common among the Australian aborigines, transexuality was fairly common among some of the American Indian tribes. But it does appear that GENERALLY SPEAKING the kinds of problems that we have listed in the preceding paragraph were far less common among primitive peoples than they are in modern society.<br /><br />46. We attribute the social and psychological problems of modern society to the fact that that society requires people to live under conditions radically different from those under which the human race evolved and to behave in ways that conflict with the patterns of behavior that the human race developed while living under the earlier conditions. It is clear from what we have already written that we consider lack of opportunity to properly experience the power process as the most important of the abnormal conditions to which modern society subjects people. But it is not the only one. Before dealing with disruption of the power process as a source of social problems we will discuss some of the other sources.<br /><br />47. Among the abnormal conditions present in modern industrial society are excessive density of population, isolation of man from nature, excessive rapidity of social change and the breakdown of natural small-scale communities such as the extended family, the village or the tribe.<br /><br />48. It is well known that crowding increases stress and aggression. The degree of crowding that exists today and the isolation of man from nature are consequences of technological progress. All pre-industrial societies were predominantly rural. The Industrial Revolution vastly increased the size of cities and the proportion of the population that lives in them, and modern agricultural technology has made it possible for the Earth to support a far denser population than it ever did before. (Also, technology exacerbates the effects of crowding because it puts increased disruptive powers in people’s hands. For example, a variety of noise- making devices: power mowers, radios, motorcycles, etc. If the use of these devices is unrestricted, people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the noise. If their use is restricted, people who use the devices are frustrated by the regulations. But if these machines had never been invented there would have been no conflict and no frustration generated by them.)<br /><br />49. For primitive societies the natural world (which usually changes only slowly) provided a stable framework and therefore a sense of security. In the modern world it is human society that dominates nature rather than the other way around, and modern society changes very rapidly owing to technological change. Thus there is no stable framework.<br /><br />50. The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.<br /><br />51. The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern society an individual’s loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system.<br /><br />52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints his cousin, his friend or his co- religionist to a position rather than appointing the person best qualified for the job. He has permitted personal loyalty to supersede his loyalty to the system, and that is “nepotism” or “discrimination,” both of which are terrible sins in modern society. Would-be industrial societies that have done a poor job of subordinating personal or local loyalties to loyalty to the system are usually very inefficient. (Look at Latin America.) Thus an advanced industrial society can tolerate only those small-scale communities that are emasculated, tamed and made into tools of the system. [7]<br /><br />53. Crowding, rapid change and the breakdown of communities have been widely recognized as sources of social problems. But we do not believe they are enough to account for the extent of the problems that are seen today.<br /><br />54. A few pre-industrial cities were very large and crowded, yet their inhabitants do not seem to have suffered from psychological problems to the same extent as modern man. In America today there still are uncrowded rural areas, and we find there the same problems as in urban areas, though the problems tend to be less acute in the rural areas. Thus crowding does not seem to be the decisive factor.<br /><br />55. On the growing edge of the American frontier during the 19th century, the mobility of the population probably broke down extended families and small-scale social groups to at least the same extent as these are broken down today. In fact, many nuclear families lived by choice in such isolation, having no neighbors within several miles, that they belonged to no community at all, yet they do not seem to have developed problems as a result.<br /><br />56. Furthermore, change in American frontier society was very rapid and deep. A man might be born and raised in a log cabin, outside the reach of law and order and fed largely on wild meat; and by the time he arrived at old age he might be working at a regular job and living in an ordered community with effective law enforcement. This was a deeper change than that which typically occurs in the life of a modern individual, yet it does not seem to have led to psychological problems. In fact, 19th century American society had an optimistic and self-confident tone, quite unlike that of today’s society. [8]<br /><br />57. The difference, we argue, is that modern man has the sense (largely justified) that change is IMPOSED on him, whereas the 19th century frontiersman had the sense (also largely justified) that he created change himself, by his own choice. Thus a pioneer settled on a piece of land of his own choosing and made it into a farm through his own effort. In those days an entire county might have only a couple of hundred inhabitants and was a far more isolated and autonomous entity than a modern county is. Hence the pioneer farmer participated as a member of a relatively small group in the creation of a new, ordered community. One may well question whether the creation of this community was an improvement, but at any rate it satisfied the pioneer’s need for the power process.<br /><br />58. It would be possible to give other examples of societies in which there has been rapid change and/or lack of close community ties without the kind of massive behavioral aberration that is seen in today’s industrial society. We contend that the most important cause of social and psychological problems in modern society is the fact that people have insufficient opportunity to go through the power process in a normal way. We don’t mean to say that modern society is the only one in which the power process has been disrupted. Probably most if not all civilized societies have interfered with the power process to a greater or lesser extent. But in modern industrial society the problem has become particularly acute. Leftism, at least in its recent (mid- to late-20th century) form, is in part a symptom of deprivation with respect to the power process.<br /><br />DISRUPTION OF THE POWER PROCESS IN MODERN SOCIETY<br /><br />59. We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group. The more drives there are in the third group, the more there is frustration, anger, eventually defeatism, depression, etc.<br /><br />60. In modern industrial society natural human drives tend to be pushed into the first and third groups, and the second group tends to consist increasingly of artificially created drives.<br /><br />61. In primitive societies, physical necessities generally fall into group 2: They can be obtained, but only at the cost of serious effort. But modern society tends to guaranty the physical necessities to everyone [9] in exchange for only minimal effort, hence physical needs are pushed into group 1. (There may be disagreement about whether the effort needed to hold a job is “minimal”; but usually, in lower- to middle- level jobs, whatever effort is required is merely that of OBEDIENCE. You sit or stand where you are told to sit or stand and do what you are told to do in the way you are told to do it. Seldom do you have to exert yourself seriously, and in any case you have hardly any autonomy in work, so that the need for the power process is not well served.)<br /><br />62. Social needs, such as sex, love and status, often remain in group 2 in modern society, depending on the situation of the individual. [10] But, except for people who have a particularly strong drive for status, the effort required to fulfill the social drives is insufficient to satisfy adequately the need for the power process.<br /><br />63. So certain artificial needs have been created that fall into group 2, hence serve the need for the power process. Advertising and marketing techniques have been developed that make many people feel they need things that their grandparents never desired or even dreamed of. It requires serious effort to earn enough money to satisfy these artificial needs, hence they fall into group 2. (But see paragraphs 80-82.) Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry [11], and through surrogate activities.<br /><br />64. It seems that for many people, maybe the majority, these artificial forms of the power process are insufficient. A theme that appears repeatedly in the writings of the social critics of the second half of the 20th century is the sense of purposelessness that afflicts many people in modern society. (This purposelessness is often called by other names such as “anomic” or “middle-class vacuity.”) We suggest that the so-called “identity crisis” is actually a search for a sense of purpose, often for commitment to a suitable surrogate activity. It may be that existentialism is in large part a response to the purposelessness of modern life. [12] Very widespread in modern society is the search for “fulfillment.” But we think that for the majority of people an activity whose main goal is fulfillment (that is, a surrogate activity) does not bring completely satisfactory fulfillment. In other words, it does not fully satisfy the need for the power process. (See paragraph 41.) That need can be fully satisfied only through activities that have some external goal, such as physical necessities, sex, love, status, revenge, etc.<br /><br />65. Moreover, where goals are pursued through earning money, climbing the status ladder or functioning as part of the system in some other way, most people are not in a position to pursue their goals AUTONOMOUSLY. Most workers are someone else’s employee and, as we pointed out in paragraph 61, must spend their days doing what they are told to do in the way they are told to do it. Even people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society. A large portion of small business today operates on the franchise system. It was reported in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago that many of the franchise-granting companies require applicants for franchises to take a personality test that is designed to EXCLUDE those who have creativity and initiative, because such persons are not sufficiently docile to go along obediently with the franchise system. This excludes from small business many of the people who most need autonomy.<br /><br />66. Today people live more by virtue of what the system does FOR them or TO them than by virtue of what they do for themselves. And what they do for themselves is done more and more along channels laid down by the system. Opportunities tend to be those that the system provides, the opportunities must be exploited in accord with rules and regulations [13], and techniques prescribed by experts must be followed if there is to be a chance of success.<br /><br />67. Thus the power process is disrupted in our society through a deficiency of real goals and a deficiency of autonomy in the pursuit of goals. But it is also disrupted because of those human drives that fall into group 3: the drives that one cannot adequately satisfy no matter how much effort one makes. One of these drives is the need for security. Our lives depend on decisions made by other people; we have no control over these decisions and usually we do not even know the people who make them. (“We live in a world in which relatively few people—maybe 500 or 1,000—make the important decisions”—Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School, quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21, 1995.) Our lives depend on whether safety standards at a nuclear power plant are properly maintained; on how much pesticide is allowed to get into our food or how much pollution into our air; on how skillful (or incompetent) our doctor is; whether we lose or get a job may depend on decisions made by government economists or corporation executives; and so forth. Most individuals are not in a position to secure themselves against these threats to more [than] a very limited extent. The individual’s search for security is therefore frustrated, which leads to a sense of powerlessness.<br /><br />68. It may be objected that primitive man is physically less secure than modern man, as is shown by his shorter life expectancy; hence modern man suffers from less, not more than the amount of insecurity that is normal for human beings. But psychological security does not closely correspond with physical security. What makes us FEEL secure is not so much objective security as a sense of confidence in our ability to take care of ourselves. Primitive man, threatened by a fierce animal or by hunger, can fight in self-defense or travel in search of food. He has no certainty of success in these efforts, but he is by no means helpless against the things that threaten him. The modern individual on the other hand is threatened by many things against which he is helpless: nuclear accidents, carcinogens in food, environmental pollution, war, increasing taxes, invasion of his privacy by large organizations, nationwide social or economic phenomena that may disrupt his way of life.<br /><br />69. It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one’s fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon. But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.<br /><br />70. Thus primitive man for the most part has his security in his own hands (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) whereas the security of modern man is in the hands of persons or organizations that are too remote or too large for him to be able personally to influence them. So modern man’s drive for security tends to fall into groups 1 and 3; in some areas (food, shelter etc.) his security is assured at the cost of only trivial effort, whereas in other areas he CANNOT attain security. (The foregoing greatly simplifies the real situation, but it does indicate in a rough, general way how the condition of modern man differs from that of primitive man.)<br /><br />71. People have many transitory drives or impulses that are necessarily frustrated in modern life, hence fall into group 3. One may become angry, but modern society cannot permit fighting. In many situations it does not even permit verbal aggression. When going somewhere one may be in a hurry, or one may be in a mood to travel slowly, but one generally has no choice but to move with the flow of traffic and obey the traffic signals. One may want to do one’s work in a different way, but usually one can work only according to the rules laid down by one’s employer. In many other ways as well, modern man is strapped down by a network of rules and regulations (explicit or implicit) that frustrate many of his impulses and thus interfere with the power process. Most of these regulations cannot be dispensed with, because they are necessary for the functioning of industrial society.<br /><br />72. Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion we like (as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice “safe sex”). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT. But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate our behavior.<br /><br />73. Behavior is regulated not only through explicit rules and not only by the government. Control is often exercised through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation, and by organizations other than the government, or by the system as a whole. Most large organizations use some form of propaganda [14] to manipulate public attitudes or behavior. Propaganda is not limited to “commercials” and advertisements, and sometimes it is not even consciously intended as propaganda by the people who make it. For instance, the content of entertainment programming is a powerful form of propaganda. An example of indirect coercion: There is no law that says we have to go to work every day and follow our employer’s orders. Legally there is nothing to prevent us from going to live in the wild like primitive people or from going into business for ourselves. But in practice there is very little wild country left, and there is room in the economy for only a limited number of small business owners. Hence most of us can survive only as someone else’s employee.<br /><br />74. We suggest that modern man’s obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The “mid-life crisis” also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.<br /><br />75. In primitive societies life is a succession of stages. The needs and purposes of one stage having been fulfilled, there is no particular reluctance about passing on to the next stage. A young man goes through the power process by becoming a hunter, hunting not for sport or for fulfillment but to get meat that is necessary for food. (In young women the process is more complex, with greater emphasis on social power; we won’t discuss that here.) This phase having been successfully passed through, the young man has no reluctance about settling down to the responsibilities of raising a family. (In contrast, some modern people indefinitely postpone having children because they are too busy seeking some kind of “fulfillment.” We suggest that the fulfillment they need is adequate experience of the power process—with real goals instead of the artificial goals of surrogate activities.) Again, having successfully raised his children, going through the power process by providing them with the physical necessities, the primitive man feels that his work is done and he is prepared to accept old age (if he survives that long) and death. Many modern people, on the other hand, are disturbed by the prospect of physical deterioration and death, as is shown by the amount of effort they expend trying to maintain their physical condition, appearance and health. We argue that this is due to unfulfillment resulting from the fact that they have never put their physical powers to any practical use, have never gone through the power process using their bodies in a serious way. It is not the primitive man, who has used his body daily for practical purposes, who fears the deterioration of age, but the modern man, who has never had a practical use for his body beyond walking from his car to his house. It is the man whose need for the power process has been satisfied during his life who is best prepared to accept the end of that life.<br /><br />76. In response to the arguments of this section someone will say, “Society must find a way to give people the opportunity to go through the power process.” For such people the value of the opportunity is destroyed by the very fact that society gives it to them. What they need is to find or make their own opportunities. As long as the system GIVES them their opportunities it still has them on a leash. To attain autonomy they must get off that leash.<br /><br />HOW SOME PEOPLE ADJUST<br /><br />77. Not everyone in industrial-technological society suffers from psychological problems. Some people even profess to be quite satisfied with society as it is. We now discuss some of the reasons why people differ so greatly in their response to modern society.<br /><br />78. First, there doubtless are differences in the strength of the drive for power. Individuals with a weak drive for power may have relatively little need to go through the power process, or at least relatively little need for autonomy in the power process. These are docile types who would have been happy as plantation darkies in the Old South. (We don’t mean to sneer at the “plantation darkies” of the Old South. To their credit, most of the slaves were NOT content with their servitude. We do sneer at people who ARE content with servitude.)<br /><br />79. Some people may have some exceptional drive, in pursuing which they satisfy their need for the power process. For example, those who have an unusually strong drive for social status may spend their whole lives climbing the status ladder without ever getting bored with that game.<br /><br />80. People vary in their susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques. Some are so susceptible that, even if they make a great deal of money, they cannot satisfy their constant craving for the the shiny new toys that the marketing industry dangles before their eyes. So they always feel hard-pressed financially even if their income is large, and their cravings are frustrated.<br /><br />81. Some people have low susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques. These are the people who aren’t interested in money. Material acquisition does not serve their need for the power process.<br /><br />82. People who have medium susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques are able to earn enough money to satisfy their craving for goods and services, but only at the cost of serious effort (putting in overtime, taking a second job, earning promotions, etc.). Thus material acquisition serves their need for the power process. But it does not necessarily follow that their need is fully satisfied. They may have insufficient autonomy in the power process (their work may consist of following orders) and some of their drives may be frustrated (e.g., security, aggression). (We are guilty of oversimplification in paragraphs 80- 82 because we have assumed that the desire for material acquisition is entirely a creation of the advertising and marketing industry. Of course it’s not that simple. [11]<br /><br />83. Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward those goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only an insignificant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identification with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by the fascists, nazis and communists. Our society uses it too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). Thus the U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power. [15] We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.<br /><br />84. Another way in which people satisfy their need for the power process is through surrogate activities. As we explained in paragraphs 38-40, a surrogate activity is an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that the individual pursues for the sake of the “fulfillment” that he gets from pursuing the goal, not because he needs to attain the goal itself. For instance, there is no practical motive for building enormous muscles, hitting a little ball into a hole or acquiring a complete series of postage stamps. Yet many people in our society devote themselves with passion to bodybuilding, golf or stamp-collecting. Some people are more “other-directed” than others, and therefore will more readily attach importance to a surrogate activity simply because the people around them treat it as important or because society tells them it is important. That is why some people get very serious about essentially trivial activities such as sports, or bridge, or chess, or arcane scholarly pursuits, whereas others who are more clear-sighted never see these things as anything but the surrogate activities that they are, and consequently never attach enough importance to them to satisfy their need for the power process in that way. It only remains to point out that in many cases a person’s way of earning a living is also a surrogate activity. Not a PURE surrogate activity, since part of the motive for the activity is to gain the physical necessities and (for some people) social status and the luxuries that advertising makes them want. But many people put into their work far more effort than is necessary to earn whatever money and status they require, and this extra effort constitutes a surrogate activity. This extra effort, together with the emotional investment that accompanies it, is one of the most potent forces acting toward the continual development and perfecting of the system, with negative consequences for individual freedom (see paragraph 131). Especially, for the most creative scientists and engineers, work tends to be largely a surrogate activity. This point is so important that it deserves a separate discussion, which we shall give in a moment (paragraphs 87-92).<br /><br />85. In this section we have explained how many people in modern society do satisfy their need for the power process to a greater or lesser extent. But we think that for the majority of people the need for the power process is not fully satisfied. In the first place, those who have an insatiable drive for status, or who get firmly “hooked” on a surrogate activity, or who identify strongly enough with a movement or organization to satisfy their need for power in that way, are exceptional personalities. Others are not fully satisfied with surrogate activities or by identification with an organization (see paragraphs 41, 64). In the second place, too much control is imposed by the system through explicit regulation or through socialization, which results in a deficiency of autonomy, and in frustration due to the impossibility of attaining certain goals and the necessity of restraining too many impulses.<br /><br />86. But even if most people in industrial-technological society were well satisfied, we (FC) would still be opposed to that form of society, because (among other reasons) we consider it demeaning to fulfill one’s need for the power process through surrogate activities or through identification with an organization, rather than through pursuit of real goals.


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  THE MOTIVES OF SCIENTISTS<br /><br />87. Science and technology provide the most important examples of surrogate activities. Some scientists claim that they are motivated by “curiosity” or by a desire to “benefit humanity.” But it is easy to see that neither of these can be the principal motive of most scientists. As for “curiosity,” that notion is simply absurd. Most scientists work on highly specialized problems that are not the object of any normal curiosity. For example, is an astronomer, a mathematician or an entomologist curious about the properties of isopropyltrimethylmethane? Of course not. Only a chemist is curious about such a thing, and he is curious about it only because chemistry is his surrogate activity. Is the chemist curious about the appropriate classification of a new species of beetle? No. That question is of interest only to the entomologist, and he is interested in it only because entomology is his surrogate activity. If the chemist and the entomologist had to exert themselves seriously to obtain the physical necessities, and if that effort exercised their abilities in an interesting way but in some nonscientific pursuit, then they wouldn’t give a damn about isopropyltrimethylmethane or the classification of beetles. Suppose that lack of funds for postgraduate education had led the chemist to become an insurance broker instead of a chemist. In that case he would have been very interested in insurance matters but would have cared nothing about isopropyltrimethylmethane. In any case it is not normal to put into the satisfaction of mere curiosity the amount of time and effort that scientists put into their work. The “curiosity” explanation for the scientists’ motive just doesn’t stand up.<br /><br />88. The “benefit of humanity” explanation doesn’t work any better. Some scientific work has no conceivable relation to the welfare of the human race—most of archaeology or comparative linguistics for example. Some other areas of science present obviously dangerous possibilities. Yet scientists in these areas are just as enthusiastic about their work as those who develop vaccines or study air pollution. Consider the case of Dr. Edward Teller, who had an obvious emotional involvement in promoting nuclear power plants. Did this involvement stem from a desire to benefit humanity? If so, then why didn’t Dr. Teller get emotional about other “humanitarian” causes? If he was such a humanitarian then why did he help to develop the H- bomb? As with many other scientific achievements, it is very much open to question whether nuclear power plants actually do benefit humanity. Does the cheap electricity outweigh the accumulating waste and the risk of accidents? Dr. Teller saw only one side of the question. Clearly his emotional involvement with nuclear power arose not from a desire to “benefit humanity” but from a personal fulfillment he got from his work and from seeing it put to practical use.<br /><br />89. The same is true of scientists generally. With possible rare exceptions, their motive is neither curiosity nor a desire to benefit humanity but the need to go through the power process: to have a goal (a scientific problem to solve), to make an effort (research) and to attain the goal (solution of the problem.) Science is a surrogate activity because scientists work mainly for the fulfillment they get out of the work itself.<br /><br />90. Of course, it’s not that simple. Other motives do play a role for many scientists. Money and status for example. Some scientists may be persons of the type who have an insatiable drive for status (see paragraph 79) and this may provide much of the motivation for their work. No doubt the majority of scientists, like the majority of the general population, are more or less susceptible to advertising and marketing techniques and need money to satisfy their craving for goods and services. Thus science is not a PURE surrogate activity. But it is in large part a surrogate activity.<br /><br />91. Also, science and technology constitute a power mass movement, and many scientists gratify their need for power through identification with this mass movement (see paragraph 83).<br /><br />92. Thus science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research.<br /><br />THE NATURE OF FREEDOM<br /><br />93. We are going to argue that industrial-technological society cannot be reformed in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing the sphere of human freedom. But, because “freedom” is a word that can be interpreted in many ways, we must first make clear what kind of freedom we are concerned with.<br /><br />94. By “freedom” we mean the opportunity to go through the power process, with real goals not the artificial goals of surrogate activities, and without interference, manipulation or supervision from anyone, especially from any large organization. Freedom means being in control (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) of the life-and-death issues of one’s existence; food, clothing, shelter and defense against whatever threats there may be in one’s environment. Freedom means having power; not the power to control other people but the power to control the circumstances of one’s own life. One does not have freedom if anyone else (especially a large organization) has power over one, no matter how benevolently, tolerantly and permissively that power may be exercised. It is important not to confuse freedom with mere permissiveness (see paragraph 72).<br /><br />95. It is said that we live in a free society because we have a certain number of constitutionally guaranteed rights. But these are not as important as they seem. The degree of personal freedom that exists in a society is determined more by the economic and technological structure of the society than by its laws or its form of government. [16] Most of the Indian nations of New England were monarchies, and many of the cities of the Italian Renaissance were controlled by dictators. But in reading about these societies one gets the impression that they allowed far more personal freedom than our society does. In part this was because they lacked efficient mechanisms for enforcing the ruler’s will: There were no modern, well-organized police forces, no rapid long-distance communications, no surveillance cameras, no dossiers of information about the lives of average citizens. Hence it was relatively easy to evade control.<br /><br />96. As for our constitutional rights, consider for example that of freedom of the press. We certainly don’t mean to knock that right; it is very important tool for limiting concentration of political power and for keeping those who do have political power in line by publicly exposing any misbehavior on their part. But freedom of the press is of very little use to the average citizen as an individual. The mass media are mostly under the control of large organizations that are integrated into the system. Anyone who has a little money can have something printed, or can distribute it on the Internet or in some such way, but what he has to say will be swamped by the vast volume of material put out by the media, hence it will have no practical effect. To make an impression on society with words is therefore almost impossible for most individuals and small groups. Take us (FC) for example. If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it’s more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we’ve had to kill people.<br /><br />97. Constitutional rights are useful up to a point, but they do not serve to guarantee much more than what might be called the bourgeois conception of freedom. According to the bourgeois conception, a “free” man is essentially an element of a social machine and has only a certain set of prescribed and delimited freedoms; freedoms that are designed to serve the needs of the social machine more than those of the individual. Thus the bourgeois’s “free” man has economic freedom because that promotes growth and progress; he has freedom of the press because public criticism restrains misbehavior by political leaders; he has a right to a fair trial because imprisonment at the whim of the powerful would be bad for the system. This was clearly the attitude of Simon Bolivar. To him, people deserved liberty only if they used it to promote progress (progress as conceived by the bourgeois). Other bourgeois thinkers have taken a similar view of freedom as a mere means to collective ends. Chester C. Tan, “Chinese Political Thought in the Twentieth Century,” page 202, explains the philosophy of the Kuomintang leader Hu Han-min: “An individual is granted rights because he is a member of society and his community life requires such rights. By community Hu meant the whole society of the nation.” And on page 259 Tan states that according to Carsum Chang (Chang Chun-mai, head of the State Socialist Party in China) freedom had to be used in the interest of the state and of the people as a whole. But what kind of freedom does one have if one can use it only as someone else prescribes? FC’s conception of freedom is not that of Bolivar, Hu, Chang or other bourgeois theorists. The trouble with such theorists is that they have made the development and application of social theories their surrogate activity. Consequently the theories are designed to serve the needs of the theorists more than the needs of any people who may be unlucky enough to live in a society on which the theories are imposed.<br /><br />98. One more point to be made in this section: It should not be assumed that a person has enough freedom just because he SAYS he has enough. Freedom is restricted in part by psychological controls of which people are unconscious, and moreover many people’s ideas of what constitutes freedom are governed more by social convention than by their real needs. For example, it’s likely that many leftists of the oversocialized type would say that most people, including themselves, are socialized too little rather than too much, yet the oversocialized leftist pays a heavy psychological price for his high level of socialization.<br /><br />SOME PRINCIPLES OF HISTORY<br /><br />99. Think of history as being the sum of two components: an erratic component that consists of unpredictable events that follow no discernible pattern, and a regular component that consists of long-term historical trends. Here we are concerned with the long-term trends.<br /><br />100. FIRST PRINCIPLE. If a SMALL change is made that affects a long-term historical trend, then the effect of that change will almost always be transitory—the trend will soon revert to its original state. (Example: A reform movement designed to clean up political corruption in a society rarely has more than a short-term effect; sooner or later the reformers relax and corruption creeps back in. The level of political corruption in a given society tends to remain constant, or to change only slowly with the evolution of the society. Normally, a political cleanup will be permanent only if accompanied by widespread social changes; a SMALL change in the society won’t be enough.) If a small change in a long-term historical trend appears to be permanent, it is only because the change acts in the direction in which the trend is already moving, so that the trend is not altered by only pushed a step ahead.<br /><br />101. The first principle is almost a tautology. If a trend were not stable with respect to small changes, it would wander at random rather than following a definite direction; in other words it would not be a long- term trend at all.<br /><br />102. SECOND PRINCIPLE. If a change is made that is sufficiently large to alter permanently a long-term historical trend, then it will alter the society as a whole. In other words, a society is a system in which all parts are interrelated, and you can’t permanently change any important part without changing all other parts as well.<br /><br />103. THIRD PRINCIPLE. If a change is made that is large enough to alter permanently a long-term trend, then the consequences for the society as a whole cannot be predicted in advance. (Unless various other societies have passed through the same change and have all experienced the same consequences, in which case one can predict on empirical grounds that another society that passes through the same change will be like to experience similar consequences.)<br /><br />104. FOURTH PRINCIPLE. A new kind of society cannot be designed on paper. That is, you cannot plan out a new form of society in advance, then set it up and expect it to function as it was designed to do.<br /><br />105. The third and fourth principles result from the complexity of human societies. A change in human behavior will affect the economy of a society and its physical environment; the economy will affect the environment and vice versa, and the changes in the economy and the environment will affect human behavior in complex, unpredictable ways; and so forth. The network of causes and effects is far too complex to be untangled and understood.<br /><br />106. FIFTH PRINCIPLE. People do not consciously and rationally choose the form of their society. Societies develop through processes of social evolution that are not under rational human control.<br /><br />107. The fifth principle is a consequence of the other four.<br /><br />108. To illustrate: By the first principle, generally speaking an attempt at social reform either acts in the direction in which the society is developing anyway (so that it merely accelerates a change that would have occurred in any case) or else it has only a transitory effect, so that the society soon slips back into its old groove. To make a lasting change in the direction of development of any important aspect of a society, reform is insufficient and revolution is required. (A revolution does not necessarily involve an armed uprising or the overthrow of a government.) By the second principle, a revolution never changes only one aspect of a society, it changes the whole society; and by the third principle changes occur that were never expected or desired by the revolutionaries. By the fourth principle, when revolutionaries or utopians set up a new kind of society, it never works out as planned.<br /><br />109. The American Revolution does not provide a counterexample. The American “Revolution” was not a revolution in our sense of the word, but a war of independence followed by a rather far-reaching political reform. The Founding Fathers did not change the direction of development of American society, nor did they aspire to do so. They only freed the development of American society from the retarding effect of British rule. Their political reform did not change any basic trend, but only pushed American political culture along its natural direction of development. British society, of which American society was an offshoot, had been moving for a long time in the direction of representative democracy. And prior to the War of Independence the Americans were already practicing a significant degree of representative democracy in the colonial assemblies. The political system established by the Constitution was modeled on the British system and on the colonial assemblies. With major alteration, to be sure—there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers took a very important step. But it was a step along the road that English-speaking world was already traveling. The proof is that Britain and all of its colonies that were populated predominantly by people of British descent ended up with systems of representative democracy essentially similar to that of the United States. If the Founding Fathers had lost their nerve and declined to sign the Declaration of Independence, our way of life today would not have been significantly different. Maybe we would have had somewhat closer ties to Britain, and would have had a Parliament and Prime Minister instead of a Congress and President. No big deal. Thus the American Revolution provides not a counterexample to our principles but a good illustration of them.<br /><br />110. Still, one has to use common sense in applying the principles. They are expressed in imprecise language that allows latitude for interpretation, and exceptions to them can be found. So we present these principles not as inviolable laws but as rules of thumb, or guides to thinking, that may provide a partial antidote to naive ideas about the future of society. The principles should be borne constantly in mind, and whenever one reaches a conclusion that conflicts with them one should carefully reexamine one’s thinking and retain the conclusion only if one has good, solid reasons for doing so.<br /><br />	INDUSTRIAL-TECHNOLOGICAL SOCIETY CANNOT BE REFORMED<br /><br />111. The foregoing principles help to show how hopelessly difficult it would be to reform the industrial system in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing our sphere of freedom. There has been a consistent tendency, going back at least to the Industrial Revolution for technology to strengthen the system at a high cost in individual freedom and local autonomy. Hence any change designed to protect freedom from technology would be contrary to a fundamental trend in the development of our society. Consequently, such a change either would be a transitory one—soon swamped by the tide of history—or, if large enough to be permanent would alter the nature of our whole society. This by the first and second principles. Moreover, since society would be altered in a way that could not be predicted in advance (third principle) there would be great risk. Changes large enough to make a lasting difference in favor of freedom would not be initiated because it would be realized that they would gravely disrupt the system. So any attempts at reform would be too timid to be effective. Even if changes large enough to make a lasting difference were initiated, they would be retracted when their disruptive effects became apparent. Thus, permanent changes in favor of freedom could be brought about only by persons prepared to accept radical, dangerous and unpredictable alteration of the entire system. In other words by revolutionaries, not reformers.<br /><br />112. People anxious to rescue freedom without sacrificing the supposed benefits of technology will suggest naive schemes for some new form of society that would reconcile freedom with technology. Apart from the fact that people who make such suggestions seldom propose any practical means by which the new form of society could be set up in the first place, it follows from the fourth principle that even if the new form of society could be once established, it either would collapse or would give results very different from those expected.<br /><br />113. So even on very general grounds it seems highly improbable that any way of changing society could be found that would reconcile freedom with modern technology. In the next few sections we will give more specific reasons for concluding that freedom and technological progress are incompatible.<br /><br />RESTRICTION OF FREEDOM IS UNAVOIDABLE IN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY<br /><br />114. As explained in paragraphs 65-67, 70-73, modern man is strapped down by a network of rules and regulations, and his fate depends on the actions of persons remote from him whose decisions he cannot influence. This is not accidental or a result of the arbitrariness of arrogant bureaucrats. It is necessary and inevitable in any technologically advanced society. The system HAS TO regulate human behavior closely in order to function. At work people have to do what they are told to do, otherwise production would be thrown into chaos. Bureaucracies HAVE TO be run according to rigid rules. To allow any substantial personal discretion to lower-level bureaucrats would disrupt the system and lead to charges of unfairness due to differences in the way individual bureaucrats exercised their discretion. It is true that some restrictions on our freedom could be eliminated, but GENERALLY SPEAKING the regulation of our lives by large organizations is necessary for the functioning of industrial-technological society. The result is a sense of powerlessness on the part of the average person. It may be, however, that formal regulations will tend increasingly to be replaced by psychological tools that make us want to do what the system requires of us. (Propaganda [14], educational techniques, “mental health” programs, etc.)<br /><br />115. The system HAS TO force people to behave in ways that are increasingly remote from the natural pattern of human behavior. For example, the system needs scientists, mathematicians and engineers. It can’t function without them. So heavy pressure is put on children to excel in these fields. It isn’t natural for an adolescent human being to spend the bulk of his time sitting at a desk absorbed in study. A normal adolescent wants to spend his time in active contact with the real world. Among primitive peoples the things that children are trained to do tend to be in reasonable harmony with natural human impulses. Among the American Indians, for example, boys were trained in active outdoor pursuits—<br /><br />just the sort of thing that boys like. But in our society children are pushed into studying technical subjects, which most do grudgingly.<br /><br />116. Because of the constant pressure that the system exerts to modify human behavior, there is a gradual increase in the number of people who cannot or will not adjust to society’s requirements: welfare leeches, youth-gang members, cultists, anti-government rebels, radical environmentalist saboteurs, dropouts and resisters of various kinds.<br /><br />117. In any technologically advanced society the individual’s fate MUST depend on decisions that he personally cannot influence to any great extent. A technological society cannot be broken down into small, autonomous communities, because production depends on the cooperation of very large numbers of people and machines. Such a society MUST be highly organized and decisions HAVE TO be made that affect very large numbers of people. When a decision affects, say, a million people, then each of the affected individuals has, on the average, only a one-millionth share in making the decision. What usually happens in practice is that decisions are made by public officials or corporation executives, or by technical specialists, but even when the public votes on a decision the number of voters ordinarily is too large for the vote of any one individual to be significant. [17] Thus most individuals are unable to influence measurably the major decisions that affect their lives. There is no conceivable way to remedy this in a technologically advanced society. The system tries to “solve” this problem by using propaganda to make people WANT the decisions that have been made for them, but even if this “solution” were completely successful in making people feel better, it would be demeaning.<br /><br />118. Conservatives and some others advocate more “local autonomy.” Local communities once did have autonomy, but such autonomy becomes less and less possible as local communities become more enmeshed with and dependent on large-scale systems like public utilities, computer networks, highway systems, the mass communications media, the modern health care system. Also operating against autonomy is the fact that technology applied in one location often affects people at other locations far way. Thus pesticide or chemical use near a creek may contaminate the water supply hundreds of miles downstream, and the greenhouse effect affects the whole world.<br /><br />119. The system does not and cannot exist to satisfy human needs. Instead, it is human behavior that has to be modified to fit the needs of the system. This has nothing to do with the political or social ideology that may pretend to guide the technological system. It is the fault of technology, because the system is guided not by ideology but by technical necessity. [18] Of course the system does satisfy many human needs, but generally speaking it does this only to the extend that it is to the advantage of the system to do it. It is the needs of the system that are paramount, not those of the human being. For example, the system provides people with food because the system couldn’t function if everyone starved; it attends to people’s psychological needs whenever it can CONVENIENTLY do so, because it couldn’t function if too many people became depressed or rebellious. But the system, for good, solid, practical reasons, must exert constant pressure on people to mold their behavior to the needs of the system. To much waste accumulating? The government, the media, the educational system, environmentalists, everyone inundates us with a mass of propaganda about recycling. Need more technical personnel? A chorus of voices exhorts kids to study science. No one stops to ask whether it is inhumane to force adolescents to spend the bulk of their time studying subjects most of them hate. When skilled workers are put out of a job by technical advances and have to undergo “retraining,” no one asks whether it is humiliating for them to be pushed around in this way. It is simply taken for granted that everyone must bow to technical necessity. and for good reason: If human needs were put before technical necessity there would be economic problems, unemployment, shortages or worse. The concept of “mental health” in our society is defined largely by the extent to which an individual behaves in accord with the needs of the system and does so without showing signs of stress.<br /><br />120. Efforts to make room for a sense of purpose and for autonomy within the system are no better than a joke. For example, one company, instead of having each of its employees assemble only one section of a catalogue, had each assemble a whole catalogue, and this was supposed to give them a sense of purpose and achievement. Some companies have tried to give their employees more autonomy in their work, but for practical reasons this usually can be done only to a very limited extent, and in any case employees are never given autonomy as to ultimate goals—their “autonomous” efforts can never be directed toward goals that they select personally, but only toward their employer’s goals, such as the survival and growth of the company. Any company would soon go out of business if it permitted its employees to act otherwise. Similarly, in any enterprise within a socialist system, workers must direct their efforts toward the goals of the enterprise, otherwise the enterprise will not serve its purpose as part of the system. Once again, for purely technical reasons it is not possible for most individuals or small groups to have much autonomy in industrial society. Even the small-business owner commonly has only limited autonomy. Apart from the necessity of government regulation, he is restricted by the fact that he must fit into the economic system and conform to its requirements. For instance, when someone develops a new technology, the small-business person often has to use that technology whether he wants to or not, in order to remain competitive.<br /><br />THE ‘BAD’ PARTS OF TECHNOLOGY CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM THE ‘GOOD’ PARTS<br /><br />121. A further reason why industrial society cannot be reformed in favor of freedom is that modern technology is a unified system in which all parts are dependent on one another. You can’t get rid of the “bad” parts of technology and retain only the “good” parts. Take modern medicine, for example. Progress in medical science depends on progress in chemistry, physics, biology, computer science and other fields. Advanced medical treatments require expensive, high-tech equipment that can be made available only by a technologically progressive, economically rich society. Clearly you can’t have much progress in medicine without the whole technological system and everything that goes with it.<br /><br />122. Even if medical progress could be maintained without the rest of the technological system, it would by itself bring certain evils. Suppose for example that a cure for diabetes is discovered. People with a genetic tendency to diabetes will then be able to survive and reproduce as well as anyone else. Natural selection against genes for diabetes will cease and such genes will spread throughout the population. (This may be occurring to some extent already, since diabetes, while not curable, can be controlled through use of insulin.) The same thing will happen with many other diseases susceptibility to which is affected by genetic degradation of the population. The only solution will be some sort of eugenics program or extensive genetic engineering of human beings, so that man in the future will no longer be a creation of nature, or of chance, or of God (depending on your religious or philosophical opinions), but a manufactured product.<br /><br />123. If you think that big government interferes in your life too much NOW, just wait till the government starts regulating the genetic constitution of your children. Such regulation will inevitably follow the introduction of genetic engineering of human beings, because the consequences of unregulated genetic engineering would be disastrous. [19]<br /><br />124. The usual response to such concerns is to talk about “medical ethics.” But a code of ethics would not serve to protect freedom in the face of medical progress; it would only make matters worse. A code of ethics applicable to genetic engineering would be in effect a means of regulating the genetic constitution of human beings. Somebody (probably the upper-middle class, mostly) would decide that such and such applications of genetic engineering were “ethical” and others were not, so that in effect they would be imposing their own values on the genetic constitution of the population at large. Even if a code of ethics were chosen on a completely democratic basis, the majority would be imposing their own values on any minorities who might have a different idea of what constituted an “ethical” use of genetic engineering. The only code of ethics that would truly protect freedom would be one that prohibited ANY genetic engineering of human beings, and you can be sure that no such code will ever be applied in a technological society. No code that reduced genetic engineering to a minor role could stand up for long, because the temptation presented by the immense power of biotechnology would be irresistible, especially since to the majority of people many of its applications will seem obviously and unequivocally good (eliminating physical and mental diseases, giving people the abilities they need to get along in today’s world). Inevitably, genetic engineering will be used extensively, but only in ways consistent with the needs of the industrial- technological system. [20]


Board: ar
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  TECHNOLOGY IS A MORE POWERFUL SOCIAL FORCE THAN THE ASPIRATION FOR FREEDOM<br /><br />125. It is not possible to make a LASTING compromise between technology and freedom, because technology is by far the more powerful social force and continually encroaches on freedom through REPEATED compromises. Imagine the case of two neighbors, each of whom at the outset owns the same amount of land, but one of whom is more powerful than the other. The powerful one demands a piece of the other’s land. The weak one refuses. The powerful one says, “OK, let’s compromise. Give me half of what I asked.” The weak one has little choice but to give in. Some time later the powerful neighbor demands another piece of land, again there is a compromise, and so forth. By forcing a long series of compromises on the weaker man, the powerful one eventually gets all of his land. So it goes in the conflict between technology and freedom.<br /><br />126. Let us explain why technology is a more powerful social force than the aspiration for freedom.<br /><br />127. A technological advance that appears not to threaten freedom often turns out to threaten it very seriously later on. For example, consider motorized transport. A walking man formerly could go where he pleased, go at his own pace without observing any traffic regulations, and was independent of technological support-systems. When motor vehicles were introduced they appeared to increase man’s freedom. They took no freedom away from the walking man, no one had to have an automobile if he didn’t want one, and anyone who did choose to buy an automobile could travel much faster and farther than a walking man. But the introduction of motorized transport soon changed society in such a way as to restrict greatly man’s freedom of locomotion. When automobiles became numerous, it became necessary to regulate their use extensively. In a car, especially in densely populated areas, one cannot just go where one likes at one’s own pace one’s movement is governed by the flow of traffic and by various traffic laws. One is tied down by various obligations: license requirements, driver test, renewing registration, insurance, maintenance required for safety, monthly payments on purchase price. Moreover, the use of motorized transport is no longer optional. Since the introduction of motorized transport the arrangement of our cities has changed in such a way that the majority of people no longer live within walking distance of their place of employment, shopping areas and recreational opportunities, so that they HAVE TO depend on the automobile for transportation. Or else they must use public transportation, in which case they have even less control over their own movement than when driving a car. Even the walker’s freedom is now greatly restricted. In the city he continually has to stop to wait for traffic lights that are designed mainly to serve auto traffic. In the country, motor traffic makes it dangerous and unpleasant to walk along the highway. (Note this important point that we have just illustrated with the case of motorized transport: When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it.)<br /><br />128. While technological progress AS A WHOLE continually narrows our sphere of freedom, each new technical advance CONSIDERED BY ITSELF appears to be desirable. Electricity, indoor plumbing, rapid long-distance communications ... how could one argue against any of these things, or against any other of the innumerable technical advances that have made modern society? It would have been absurd to resist the introduction of the telephone, for example. It offered many advantages and no disadvantages. Yet, as we explained in paragraphs 59-76, all these technical advances taken together have created a world in which the average man’s fate is no longer in his own hands or in the hands of his neighbors and friends, but in those of politicians, corporation executives and remote, anonymous technicians and bureaucrats whom he as an individual has no power to influence. [21] The same process will continue in the future. Take genetic engineering, for example. Few people will resist the introduction of a genetic technique that eliminates a hereditary disease. It does no apparent harm and prevents much suffering. Yet a large number of genetic improvements taken together will make the human being into an engineered product rather than a free creation of chance (or of God, or whatever, depending on your religious beliefs).<br /><br />129. Another reason why technology is such a powerful social force is that, within the context of a given society, technological progress marches in only one direction; it can never be reversed. Once a technical innovation has been introduced, people usually become dependent on it, so that they can never again do without it, unless it is replaced by some still more advanced innovation. Not only do people become dependent as individuals on a new item of technology, but, even more, the system as a whole becomes dependent on it. (Imagine what would happen to the system today if computers, for example, were eliminated.) Thus the system can move in only one direction, toward greater technologization. Technology repeatedly forces freedom to take a step back, but technology can never take a step back—short of the overthrow of the whole technological system.<br /><br />130. Technology advances with great rapidity and threatens freedom at many different points at the same time (crowding, rules and regulations, increasing dependence of individuals on large organizations, propaganda and other psychological techniques, genetic engineering, invasion of privacy through surveillance devices and computers, etc.). To hold back any ONE of the threats to freedom would require a long and difficult social struggle. Those who want to protect freedom are overwhelmed by the sheer number of new attacks and the rapidity with which they develop, hence they become apathetic and no longer resist. To fight each of the threats separately would be futile. Success can be hoped for only by fighting the technological system as a whole; but that is revolution, not reform.<br /><br />131. Technicians (we use this term in its broad sense to describe all those who perform a specialized task that requires training) tend to be so involved in their work (their surrogate activity) that when a conflict arises between their technical work and freedom, they almost always decide in favor of their technical work. This is obvious in the case of scientists, but it also appears elsewhere: Educators, humanitarian groups, conservation organizations do not hesitate to use propaganda or other psychological techniques to help them achieve their laudable ends. Corporations and government agencies, when they find it useful, do not hesitate to collect information about individuals without regard to their privacy. Law enforcement agencies are frequently inconvenienced by the constitutional rights of suspects and often of completely innocent persons, and they do whatever they can do legally (or sometimes illegally) to restrict or circumvent those rights. Most of these educators, government officials and law officers believe in freedom, privacy and constitutional rights, but when these conflict with their work, they usually feel that their work is more important.<br /><br />132. It is well known that people generally work better and more persistently when striving for a reward than when attempting to avoid a punishment or negative outcome. Scientists and other technicians are motivated mainly by the rewards they get through their work. But those who oppose technological invasions of freedom are working to avoid a negative outcome, consequently there are few who work persistently and well at this discouraging task. If reformers ever achieved a signal victory that seemed to set up a solid barrier against further erosion of freedom through technical progress, most would tend to relax and turn their attention to more agreeable pursuits. But the scientists would remain busy in their laboratories, and technology as it progresses would find ways, in spite of any barriers, to exert more and more control over individuals and make them always more dependent on the system.<br /><br />133. No social arrangements, whether laws, institutions, customs or ethical codes, can provide permanent protection against technology. History shows that all social arrangements are transitory; they all change or break down eventually. But technological advances are permanent within the context of a given civilization. Suppose for example that it were possible to arrive at some social arrangements that would prevent genetic engineering from being applied to human beings, or prevent it from being applied in such a way as to threaten freedom and dignity. Still, the technology would remain waiting. Sooner or later the social arrangement would break down. Probably sooner, given the pace of change in our society. Then genetic engineering would begin to invade our sphere of freedom, and this invasion would be irreversible (short of a breakdown of technological civilization itself). Any illusions about achieving anything permanent through social arrangements should be dispelled by what is currently happening with environmental legislation. A few years ago its seemed that there were secure legal barriers preventing at least SOME of the worst forms of environmental degradation. A change in the political wind, and those barriers begin to crumble.<br /><br />134. For all of the foregoing reasons, technology is a more powerful social force than the aspiration for freedom. But this statement requires an important qualification. It appears that during the next several decades the industrial-technological system will be undergoing severe stresses due to economic and environmental problems, and especially due to problems of human behavior (alienation, rebellion, hostility, a variety of social and psychological difficulties). We hope that the stresses through which the system is likely to pass will cause it to break down, or at least will weaken it sufficiently so that a revolution against it becomes possible. If such a revolution occurs and is successful, then at that particular moment the aspiration for freedom will have proved more powerful than technology.<br /><br />135. In paragraph 125 we used an analogy of a weak neighbor who is left destitute by a strong neighbor who takes all his land by forcing on him a series of compromises. But suppose now that the strong neighbor gets sick, so that he is unable to defend himself. The weak neighbor can force the strong one to give him his land back, or he can kill him. If he lets the strong man survive and only forces him to give the land back, he is a fool, because when the strong man gets well he will again take all the land for himself. The only sensible alternative for the weaker man is to kill the strong one while he has the chance. In the same way, while the industrial system is sick we must destroy it. If we compromise with it and let it recover from its sickness, it will eventually wipe out all of our freedom.<br /><br />SIMPLER SOCIAL PROBLEMS HAVE PROVED INTRACTABLE<br /><br />136. If anyone still imagines that it would be possible to reform the system in such a way as to protect freedom from technology, let him consider how clumsily and for the most part unsuccessfully our society has dealt with other social problems that are far more simple and straightforward. Among other things, the system has failed to stop environmental degradation, political corruption, drug trafficking or domestic abuse.<br /><br />137. Take our environmental problems, for example. Here the conflict of values is straightforward: economic expedience now versus saving some of our natural resources for our grandchildren. [22] But on this subject we get only a lot of blather and obfuscation from the people who have power, and nothing like a clear, consistent line of action, and we keep on piling up environmental problems that our grandchildren will have to live with. Attempts to resolve the environmental issue consist of struggles and compromises between different factions, some of which are ascendant at one moment, others at another moment. The line of struggle changes with the shifting currents of public opinion. This is not a rational process, nor is it one that is likely to lead to a timely and successful solution to the problem. Major social problems, if they get “solved” at all, are rarely or never solved through any rational, comprehensive plan. They just work themselves out through a process in which various competing groups pursuing their own (usually short- term) self-interest [23] arrive (mainly by luck) at some more or less stable modus vivendi. In fact, the principles we formulated in paragraphs 100-106 make it seem doubtful that rational, long-term social planning can EVER be successful.<br /><br />138. Thus it is clear that the human race has at best a very limited capacity for solving even relatively straightforward social problems. How then is it going to solve the far more difficult and subtle problem of reconciling freedom with technology? Technology presents clear-cut material advantages, whereas freedom is an abstraction that means different things to different people, and its loss is easily obscured by propaganda and fancy talk.<br /><br />139. And note this important difference: It is conceivable that our environmental problems (for example) may some day be settled through a rational, comprehensive plan, but if this happens it will be only because it is in the long-term interest of the system to solve these problems. But it is NOT in the interest of the system to preserve freedom or small-group autonomy. On the contrary, it is in the interest of the system to bring human behavior under control to the greatest possible extent. [24] Thus, while practical considerations may eventually force the system to take a rational, prudent approach to environmental problems, equally practical considerations will force the system to regulate human behavior ever more closely (preferably by indirect means that will disguise the encroachment on freedom). This isn’t just our opinion. Eminent social scientists (e.g. James Q. Wilson) have stressed the importance of “socializing” people more effectively.


Board: ar
Name: Nanonymous
Comment:
  REVOLUTION IS EASIER THAN REFORM<br /><br />140. We hope we have convinced the reader that the system cannot be reformed in such a way as to reconcile freedom with technology. The only way out is to dispense with the industrial-technological system altogether. This implies revolution, not necessarily an armed uprising, but certainly a radical and fundamental change in the nature of society.<br /><br />141. People tend to assume that because a revolution involves a much greater change than reform does, it is more difficult to bring about than reform is. Actually, under certain circumstances revolution is much easier than reform. The reason is that a revolutionary movement can inspire an intensity of commitment that a reform movement cannot inspire. A reform movement merely offers to solve a particular social problem. A revolutionary movement offers to solve all problems at one stroke and create a whole new world; it provides the kind of ideal for which people will take great risks and make great sacrifices. For this reasons it would be much easier to overthrow the whole technological system than to put effective, permanent restraints on the development or application of any one segment of technology, such as genetic engineering, for example. Not many people will devote themselves with single-minded passion to imposing and maintaining restraints on genetic engineering, but under suitable conditions large numbers of people may devote themselves passionately to a revolution against the industrial-technological system. As we noted in paragraph 132, reformers seeking to limit certain aspects of technology would be working to avoid a negative outcome. But revolutionaries work to gain a powerful reward—fulfillment of their revolutionary vision—and therefore work harder and more persistently than reformers do.<br /><br />142. Reform is always restrained by the fear of painful consequences if changes go too far. But once a revolutionary fever has taken hold of a society, people are willing to undergo unlimited hardships for the sake of their revolution. This was clearly shown in the French and Russian Revolutions. It may be that in such cases only a minority of the population is really committed to the revolution, but this minority is sufficiently large and active so that it becomes the dominant force in society. We will have more to say about revolution in paragraphs 180-205.<br /><br />CONTROL OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR<br /><br />143. Since the beginning of civilization, organized societies have had to put pressures on human beings of the sake of the functioning of the social organism. The kinds of pressures vary greatly from one society to another. Some of the pressures are physical (poor diet, excessive labor, environmental pollution), some are psychological (noise, crowding, forcing human behavior into the mold that society requires). In the past, human nature has been approximately constant, or at any rate has varied only within certain bounds. Consequently, societies have been able to push people only up to certain limits. When the limit of human endurance has been passed, things start going wrong: rebellion, or crime, or corruption, or evasion of work, or depression and other mental problems, or an elevated death rate, or a declining birth rate or something else, so that either the society breaks down, or its functioning becomes too inefficient and it is (quickly or gradually, through conquest, attrition or evolution) replaced by some more efficient form of society. [25]<br /><br />144. Thus human nature has in the past put certain limits on the development of societies. People could be pushed only so far and no farther. But today this may be changing, because modern technology is developing ways of modifying human beings.<br /><br />145. Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression has been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the increasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today’s society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual’s internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable. (Yes, we know that depression is often of purely genetic origin. We are referring here to those cases in which environment plays the predominant role.)<br /><br />146. Drugs that affect the mind are only one example of the new methods of controlling human behavior that modern society is developing. Let us look at some of the other methods.<br /><br />147. To start with, there are the techniques of surveillance. Hidden video cameras are now used in most stores and in many other places, computers are used to collect and process vast amounts of information about individuals. Information so obtained greatly increases the effectiveness of physical coercion (i.e., law enforcement). [26] Then there are the methods of propaganda, for which the mass communication media provide effective vehicles. Efficient techniques have been developed for winning elections, selling products, influencing public opinion. The entertainment industry serves as an important psychological tool of the system, possibly even when it is dishing out large amounts of sex and violence. Entertainment provides modern man with an essential means of escape. While absorbed in television, videos, etc., he can forget stress, anxiety, frustration, dissatisfaction. Many primitive peoples, when they don’t have work to do, are quite content to sit for hours at a time doing nothing at all, because they are at peace with themselves and their world. But most modern people must be constantly occupied or entertained, otherwise they get “bored,” i.e., they get fidgety, uneasy, irritable.<br /><br />148. Other techniques strike deeper than the foregoing. Education is no longer a simple affair of paddling a kid’s behind when he doesn’t know his lessons and patting him on the head when he does know them. It is becoming a scientific technique for controlling the child’s development. Sylvan Learning Centers, for example, have had great success in motivating children to study, and psychological techniques are also used with more or less success in many conventional schools. “Parenting” techniques that are taught to parents are designed to make children accept fundamental values of the system and behave in ways that the system finds desirable. “Mental health” programs, “intervention” techniques, psychotherapy and so forth are ostensibly designed to benefit individuals, but in practice they usually serve as methods for inducing individuals to think and behave as the system requires. (There is no contradiction here; an individual whose attitudes or behavior bring him into conflict with the system is up against a force that is too powerful for him to conquer or escape from, hence he is likely to suffer from stress, frustration, defeat. His path will be much easier if he thinks and behaves as the system requires. In that sense the system is acting for the benefit of the individual when it brainwashes him into conformity.) Child abuse in its gross and obvious forms is disapproved in most if not all cultures. Tormenting a child for a trivial reason or no reason at all is something that appalls almost everyone. But many psychologists interpret the concept of abuse much more broadly. Is spanking, when used as part of a rational and consistent system of discipline, a form of abuse? The question will ultimately be decided by whether or not spanking tends to produce behavior that makes a person fit in well with the existing system of society. In practice, the word “abuse” tends to be interpreted to include any method of child-rearing that produces behavior inconvenient for the system. Thus, when they go beyond the prevention of obvious, senseless cruelty, programs for preventing “child abuse” are directed toward the control of human behavior on behalf of the system.<br /><br />149. Presumably, research will continue to increase the effectiveness of psychological techniques for controlling human behavior. But we think it is unlikely that psychological techniques alone will be sufficient to adjust human beings to the kind of society that technology is creating. Biological methods probably will have to be used. We have already mentioned the use of drugs in this connection. Neurology may provide other avenues for modifying the human mind. Genetic engineering of human beings is already beginning to occur in the form of “gene therapy,” and there is no reason to assume that such methods will not eventually be used to modify those aspects of the body that affect mental functioning.<br /><br />150. As we mentioned in paragraph 134, industrial society seems likely to be entering a period of severe stress, due in part to problems of human behavior and in part to economic and environmental problems. And a considerable proportion of the system’s economic and environmental problems result from the way human beings behave. Alienation, low self-esteem, depression, hostility, rebellion; children who won’t study, youth gangs, illegal drug use, rape, child abuse, other crimes, unsafe sex, teen pregnancy, population growth, political corruption, race hatred, ethnic rivalry, bitter ideological conflict (e.g., pro-choice vs. pro- life), political extremism, terrorism, sabotage, anti-government groups, hate groups. All these threaten the very survival of the system. The system will therefore be FORCED to use every practical means of controlling human behavior.<br /><br />151. The social disruption that we see today is certainly not the result of mere chance. It can only be a result of the conditions of life that the system imposes on people. (We have argued that the most important of these conditions is disruption of the power process.) If the systems succeeds in imposing sufficient control over human behavior to assure its own survival, a new watershed in human history will have been passed. Whereas formerly the limits of human endurance have imposed limits on the development of societies (as we explained in paragraphs 143, 144), industrial-technological society will be able to pass those limits by modifying human beings, whether by psychological methods or biological methods or both. In the future, social systems will not be adjusted to suit the needs of human beings. Instead, human being will be adjusted to suit the needs of the system. [27]<br /><br />152. Generally speaking, technological control over human behavior will probably not be introduced with a totalitarian intention or even through a conscious desire to restrict human freedom. [28] Each new step in the assertion of control over the human mind will be taken as a rational response to a problem that faces society, such as curing alcoholism, reducing the crime rate or inducing young people to study science and engineering. In many cases there will be a humanitarian justification. For example, when a psychiatrist prescribes an anti-depressant for a depressed patient, he is clearly doing that individual a favor. It would be inhumane to withhold the drug from someone who needs it. When parents send their children to Sylvan Learning Centers to have them manipulated into becoming enthusiastic about their studies, they do so from concern for their children’s welfare. It may be that some of these parents wish that one didn’t have to have specialized training to get a job and that their kid didn’t have to be brainwashed into becoming a computer nerd. But what can they do? They can’t change society, and their child may be unemployable if he doesn’t have certain skills. So they send him to Sylvan.<br /><br />153. Thus control over human behavior will be introduced not by a calculated decision of the authorities but through a process of social evolution (RAPID evolution, however). The process will be impossible to resist, because each advance, considered by itself, will appear to be beneficial, or at least the evil involved in making the advance will appear to be beneficial, or at least the evil involved in making the advance will seem to be less than that which would result from not making it (see paragraph 127). Propaganda for example is used for many good purposes, such as discouraging child abuse or race hatred. [14] Sex education is obviously useful, yet the effect of sex education (to the extent that it is successful) is to take the shaping of sexual attitudes away from the family and put it into the hands of the state as represented by the public school system.<br /><br />154. Suppose a biological trait is discovered that increases the likelihood that a child will grow up to be a criminal, and suppose some sort of gene therapy can remove this trait. [29] Of course most parents whose children possess the trait will have them undergo the therapy. It would be inhumane to do otherwise, since the child would probably have a miserable life if he grew up to be a criminal. But many or most primitive societies have a low crime rate in comparison with that of our society, even though they have neither high- tech methods of child-rearing nor harsh systems of punishment. Since there is no reason to suppose that more modern men than primitive men have innate predatory tendencies, the high crime rate of our society must be due to the pressures that modern conditions put on people, to which many cannot or will not adjust. Thus a treatment designed to remove potential criminal tendencies is at least in part a way of re-engineering people so that they suit the requirements of the system.<br /><br />155. Our society tends to regard as a “sickness” any mode of thought or behavior that is inconvenient for the system, and this is plausible because when an individual doesn’t fit into the system it causes pain to the individual as well as problems for the system. Thus the manipulation of an individual to adjust him to the system is seen as a “cure” for a “sickness” and therefore as good.<br /><br />156. In paragraph 127 we pointed out that if the use of a new item of technology is INITIALLY optional, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional, because the new technology tends to change society in such a way that it becomes difficult or impossible for an individual to function without using that technology. This applies also to the technology of human behavior. In a world in which most children are put through a program to make them enthusiastic about studying, a parent will almost be forced to put his kid through such a program, because if he does not, then the kid will grow up to be, comparatively speaking, an ignoramus and therefore unemployable. Or suppose a biological treatment is discovered that, without undesirable side-effects, will greatly reduce the psychological stress from which so many people suffer in our society. If large numbers of people choose to undergo the treatment, then the general level of stress in society will be reduced, so that it will be possible for the system to increase the stress-producing pressures. In fact, something like this seems to have happened already with one of our society’s most important psychological tools for enabling people to reduce (or at least temporarily escape from) stress, namely, mass entertainment (see paragraph 147). Our use of mass entertainment is “optional”: No law requires us to watch television, listen to the radio, read magazines. Yet mass entertainment is a means of escape and stress-reduction on which most of us have become dependent. Everyone complains about the trashiness of television, but almost everyone watches it. A few have kicked the TV habit, but it would be a rare person who could get along today without using ANY form of mass entertainment. (Yet until quite recently in human history most people got along very nicely with no other entertainment than that which each local community created for itself.) Without the entertainment industry the system probably would not have been able to get away with putting as much stress-producing pressure on us as it does.<br /><br />157. Assuming that industrial society survives, it is likely that technology will eventually acquire something approaching complete control over human behavior. It has been established beyond any rational doubt that human thought and behavior have a largely biological basis. As experimenters have demonstrated, feelings such as hunger, pleasure, anger and fear can be turned on and off by electrical stimulation of appropriate parts of the brain. Memories can be destroyed by damaging parts of the brain or they can be brought to the surface by electrical stimulation. Hallucinations can be induced or moods changed by drugs. There may or may not be an immaterial human soul, but if there is one it clearly is less powerful that the biological mechanisms of human behavior. For if that were not the case then researchers would not be able so easily to manipulate human feelings and behavior with drugs and electrical currents.<br /><br />158. It presumably would be impractical for all people to have electrodes inserted in their heads so that they could be controlled by the authorities. But the fact that human thoughts and feelings are so open to biological intervention shows that the problem of controlling human behavior is mainly a technical problem; a problem of neurons, hormones and complex molecules; the kind of problem that is accessible to scientific attack. Given the outstanding record of our society in solving technical problems, it is overwhelmingly probable that great advances will be made in the control of human behavior.<br /><br />159. Will public resistance prevent the introduction of technological control of human behavior? It certainly would if an attempt were made to introduce such control all at once. But since technological control will be introduced through a long sequence of small advances, there will be no rational and effective public resistance. (See paragraphs 127, 132, 153.)<br /><br />160. To those who think that all this sounds like science fiction, we point out that yesterday’s science fiction is today’s fact. The Industrial Revolution has radically altered man’s environment and way of life, and it is only to be expected that as technology is increasingly applied to the human body and mind, man himself will be altered as radically as his environment and way of life have been.<br /><br />HUMAN RACE AT A CROSSROADS<br /><br />161. But we have gotten ahead of our story. It is one thing to develop in the laboratory a series of psychological or biological techniques for manipulating human behavior and quite another to integrate these techniques into a functioning social system. The latter problem is the more difficult of the two. For example, while the techniques of educational psychology doubtless work quite well in the “lab schools” where they are developed, it is not necessarily easy to apply them effectively throughout our educational system. We all know what many of our schools are like. The teachers are too busy taking knives and guns away from the kids to subject them to the latest techniques for making them into computer nerds. Thus, in spite of all its technical advances relating to human behavior, the system to date has not been impressively successful in controlling human beings. The people whose behavior is fairly well under the control of the system are those of the type that might be called “bourgeois.” But there are growing numbers of people who in one way or another are rebels against the system: welfare leaches, youth gangs, cultists, satanists, nazis, radical environmentalists, militiamen, etc.<br /><br />162. The system is currently engaged in a desperate struggle to overcome certain problems that threaten its survival, among which the problems of human behavior are the most important. If the system succeeds in acquiring sufficient control over human behavior quickly enough, it will probably survive. Otherwise it will break down. We think the issue will most likely be resolved within the next several decades, say 40 to 100 years.<br /><br />163. Suppose the system survives the crisis of the next several decades. By that time it will have to have solved, or at least brought under control, the principal problems that confront it, in particular that of “socializing” human beings; that is, making people sufficiently docile so that heir behavior no longer threatens the system. That being accomplished, it does not appear that there would be any further obstacle to the development of technology, and it would presumably advance toward its logical conclusion, which is complete control over everything on Earth, including human beings and all other important organisms. The system may become a unitary, monolithic organization, or it may be more or less fragmented and consist of a number of organizations coexisting in a relationship that includes elements of both cooperation and competition, just as today the government, the corporations and other large organizations both cooperate and compete with one another. Human freedom mostly will have vanished, because individuals and small groups will be impotent vis-a-vis large organizations armed with supertechnology and an arsenal of advanced psychological and biological tools for manipulating human beings, besides instruments of surveillance and physical coercion. Only a small number of people will have any real power, and even these probably will have only very limited freedom, because their behavior too will be regulated; just as today our politicians and corporation executives can retain their positions of power only as long as their behavior remains within certain fairly narrow limits.<br /><br />164. Don’t imagine that the systems will stop developing further techniques for controlling human beings and nature once the crisis of the next few decades is over and increasing control is no longer necessary for the system’s survival. On the contrary, once the hard times are over the system will increase its control over people and nature more rapidly, because it will no longer be hampered by difficulties of the kind that it is currently experiencing. Survival is not the principal motive for extending control. As we explained in paragraphs 87-90, technicians and scientists carry on their work largely as a surrogate activity; that is, they satisfy their need for power by solving technical problems. They will continue to do this with unabated enthusiasm, and among the most interesting and challenging problems for them to solve will be those of understanding the human body and mind and intervening in their development. For the “good of humanity,” of course.<br /><br />165. But suppose on the other hand that the stresses of the coming decades prove to be too much for the system. If the system breaks down there may be a period of chaos, a “time of troubles” such as those that history has recorded at various epochs in the past. It is impossible to predict what would emerge from such a time of troubles, but at any rate the human race would be given a new chance. The greatest danger is that industrial society may begin to reconstitute itself within the first few years after the breakdown. Certainly there will be many people (power-hungry types especially) who will be anxious to get the factories running again.<br /><br />166. Therefore two tasks confront those who hate the servitude to which the industrial system is reducing the human race. First, we must work to heighten the social stresses within the system so as to increase the likelihood that it will break down or be weakened sufficiently so that a revolution against it becomes possible. Second, it is necessary to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial society if and when the system becomes sufficiently weakened. And such an ideology will help to assure that, if and when industrial society breaks down, its remnants will be smashed beyond repair, so that the system cannot be reconstituted. The factories should be destroyed, technical books burned, etc.<br /><br />	HUMAN SUFFERING<br /><br />167. The industrial system will not break down purely as a result of revolutionary action. It will not be vulnerable to revolutionary attack unless its own internal problems of development lead it into very serious difficulties. So if the system breaks down it will do so either spontaneously, or through a process that is in part spontaneous but helped along by revolutionaries. If the breakdown is sudden, many people will die, since the world’s population has become so overblown that it cannot even feed itself any longer without advanced technology. Even if the breakdown is gradual enough so that reduction of the population can occur more through lowering of the birth rate than through elevation of the death rate, the process of de- industrialization probably will be very chaotic and involve much suffering. It is naive to think it likely that technology can be phased out in a smoothly managed, orderly way, especially since the technophiles will fight stubbornly at every step. Is it therefore cruel to work for the breakdown of the system? Maybe, but maybe not. In the first place, revolutionaries will not be able to break the system down unless it is already in enough trouble so that there would be a good chance of its eventually breaking down by itself anyway; and the bigger the system grows, the more disastrous the consequences of its breakdown will be; so it may be that revolutionaries, by hastening the onset of the breakdown, will be reducing the extent of the disaster.<br /><br />168. In the second place, one has to balance struggle and death against the loss of freedom and dignity. To many of us, freedom and dignity are more important than a long life or avoidance of physical pain. Besides, we all have to die some time, and it may be better to die fighting for survival, or for a cause, than to live a long but empty and purposeless life.<br /><br />169. In the third place, it is not at all certain that survival of the system will lead to less suffering than breakdown of the system would. The system has already caused, and is continuing to cause, immense suffering all over the world. Ancient cultures, that for hundreds of years gave people a satisfactory relationship with each other and with their environment, have been shattered by contact with industrial society, and the result has been a whole catalogue of economic, environmental, social and psychological problems. One of the effects of the intrusion of industrial society has been that over much of the world traditional controls on population have been thrown out of balance. Hence the population explosion, with all that that implies. Then there is the psychological suffering that is widespread throughout the supposedly fortunate countries of the West (see paragraphs 44, 45). No one knows what will happen as a result of ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect and other environmental problems that cannot yet be foreseen. And, as nuclear proliferation has shown, new technology cannot be kept out of the hands of dictators and irresponsible Third World nations. Would you like to speculate about what Iraq or North Korea will do with genetic engineering?<br /><br />170. “Oh!” say the technophiles, “Science is going to fix all that! We will conquer famine, eliminate psychological suffering, make everybody healthy and happy!” Yeah, sure. That’s what they said 200 years ago. The Industrial Revolution was supposed to eliminate poverty, make everybody happy, etc. The actual result has been quite different. The technophiles are hopelessly naive (or self-deceiving) in their understanding of social problems. They are unaware of (or choose to ignore) the fact that when large changes, even seemingly beneficial ones, are introduced into a society, they lead to a long sequence of other changes, most of which are impossible to predict (paragraph 103). The result is disruption of the society. So it is very probable that in their attempts to end poverty and disease, engineer docile, happy personalities and so forth, the technophiles will create social systems that are terribly troubled, even more so than the present once. For example, the scientists boast that they will end famine by creating new, genetically engineered food plants. But this will allow the human population to keep expanding indefinitely, and it is well known that crowding leads to increased stress and aggression. This is merely one example of the PREDICTABLE problems that will arise. We emphasize that, as past experience has shown, technical progress will lead to other new problems that CANNOT be predicted in advance (paragraph 103). In fact, ever since the Industrial Revolution, technology has been creating new problems for society far more rapidly than it has been solving old ones. Thus it will take a long and difficult period of trial and error for the technophiles to work the bugs out of their Brave New World (if they every do). In the meantime there will be great suffering. So it is not at all clear that the survival of industrial society would involve less suffering than the breakdown of that society would. Technology has gotten the human race into a fix from which there is not likely to be any easy escape.


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  THE FUTURE<br /><br />171. But suppose now that industrial society does survive the next several decades and that the bugs do eventually get worked out of the system, so that it functions smoothly. What kind of system will it be? We will consider several possibilities.<br /><br />172. First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.<br /><br />173. If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can’t make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and as machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more and more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.<br /><br />174. On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite—just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft- hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or to make them “sublimate” their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they most certainly will not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.<br /><br />175. But suppose now that the computer scientists do not succeed in developing artificial intelligence, so that human work remains necessary. Even so, machines will take care of more and more of the simpler tasks so that there will be an increasing surplus of human workers at the lower levels of ability. (We see this happening already. There are many people who find it difficult or impossible to get work, because for intellectual or psychological reasons they cannot acquire the level of training necessary to make themselves useful in the present system.) On those who are employed, ever-increasing demands will be placed: They will need more and more training, more and more ability, and will have to be ever more reliable, conforming and docile, because they will be more and more like cells of a giant organism. Their tasks will be increasingly specialized, so that their work will be, in a sense, out of touch with the real world, being concentrated on one tiny slice of reality. The system will have to use any means that it can, whether psychological or biological, to engineer people to be docile, to have the abilities that the system requires and to “sublimate” their drive for power into some specialized task. But the statement that the people of such a society will have to be docile may require qualification. The society may find competitiveness useful, provided that ways are found of directing competitiveness into channels that serve the needs of the system. We can imagine a future society in which there is endless competition for positions of prestige and power. But no more than a very few people will ever reach the top, where the only real power is (see end of paragraph 163). Very repellent is a society in which a person can satisfy his need for power only by pushing large numbers of other people out of the way and depriving them of THEIR opportunity for power.<br /><br />176. One can envision scenarios that incorporate aspects of more than one of the possibilities that we have just discussed. For instance, it may be that machines will take over most of the work that is of real, practical importance, but that human beings will be kept busy by being given relatively unimportant work. It has been suggested, for example, that a great development of the service industries might provide work for human beings. Thus people would spent their time shining each other’s shoes, driving each other around in taxicabs, making handicrafts for one another, waiting on each other’s tables, etc. This seems to us a thoroughly contemptible way for the human race to end up, and we doubt that many people would find fulfilling lives in such pointless busy-work. They would seek other, dangerous outlets (drugs, crime, “cults,” hate groups) unless they were biologically or psychologically engineered to adapt them to such a way of life.<br /><br />177. Needless to say, the scenarios outlined above do not exhaust all the possibilities. They only indicate the kinds of outcomes that seem to us most likely. But we can envision no plausible scenarios that are any more palatable than the ones we’ve just described. It is overwhelmingly probable that if the industrial- technological system survives the next 40 to 100 years, it will by that time have developed certain general characteristics: Individuals (at least those of the “bourgeois” type, who are integrated into the system and make it run, and who therefore have all the power) will be more dependent than ever on large organizations; they will be more “socialized” than ever and their physical and mental qualities to a significant extent (possibly to a very great extent) will be those that are engineered into them rather than being the results of chance (or of God’s will, or whatever); and whatever may be left of wild nature will be reduced to remnants preserved for scientific study and kept under the supervision and management of scientists (hence it will no longer be truly wild). In the long run (say a few centuries from now) it is likely that neither the human race nor any other important organisms will exist as we know them today, because once you start modifying organisms through genetic engineering there is no reason to stop at any particular point, so that the modifications will probably continue until man and other organisms have been utterly transformed.<br /><br />178. Whatever else may be the case, it is certain that technology is creating for human beings a new physical and social environment radically different from the spectrum of environments to which natural selection has adapted the human race physically and psychologically. If man is not adjusted to this new environment by being artificially re-engineered, then he will be adapted to it through a long and painful process of natural selection. The former is far more likely than the latter.<br /><br />179. It would be better to dump the whole stinking system and take the consequences.<br /><br />STRATEGY<br /><br />180. The technophiles are taking us all on an utterly reckless ride into the unknown. Many people understand something of what technological progress is doing to us yet take a passive attitude toward it because they think it is inevitable. But we (FC) don’t think it is inevitable. We think it can be stopped, and we will give here some indications of how to go about stopping it.<br /><br />181. As we stated in paragraph 166, the two main tasks for the present are to promote social stress and instability in industrial society and to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. When the system becomes sufficiently stressed and unstable, a revolution against technology may be possible. The pattern would be similar to that of the French and Russian Revolutions. French society and Russian society, for several decades prior to their respective revolutions, showed increasing signs of stress and weakness. Meanwhile, ideologies were being developed that offered a new world view that was quite different from the old one. In the Russian case, revolutionaries were actively working to undermine the old order. Then, when the old system was put under sufficient additional stress (by financial crisis in France, by military defeat in Russia) it was swept away by revolution. What we propose is something along the same lines.<br /><br />182. It will be objected that the French and Russian Revolutions were failures. But most revolutions have two goals. One is to destroy an old form of society and the other is to set up the new form of society envisioned by the revolutionaries. The French and Russian revolutionaries failed (fortunately!) to create the new kind of society of which they dreamed, but they were quite successful in destroying the old society. We have no illusions about the feasibility of creating a new, ideal form of society. Our goal is only to destroy the existing form of society.<br /><br />183. But an ideology, in order to gain enthusiastic support, must have a positive ideal as well as a negative one; it must be FOR something as well as AGAINST something. The positive ideal that we propose is Nature. That is, WILD nature: those aspects of the functioning of the Earth and its living things that are independent of human management and free of human interference and control. And with wild nature we include human nature, by which we mean those aspects of the functioning of the human individual that are not subject to regulation by organized society but are products of chance, or free will, or God (depending on your religious or philosophical opinions).<br /><br />184. Nature makes a perfect counter-ideal to technology for several reasons. Nature (that which is outside the power of the system) is the opposite of technology (which seeks to expand indefinitely the power of the system). Most people will agree that nature is beautiful; certainly it has tremendous popular appeal. The radical environmentalists ALREADY hold an ideology that exalts nature and opposes technology. [30] It is not necessary for the sake of nature to set up some chimerical utopia or any new kind of social order. Nature takes care of itself: It was a spontaneous creation that existed long before any human society, and for countless centuries many different kinds of human societies coexisted with nature without doing it an excessive amount of damage. Only with the Industrial Revolution did the effect of human society on nature become really devastating. To relieve the pressure on nature it is not necessary to create a special kind of social system, it is only necessary to get rid of industrial society. Granted, this will not solve all problems. Industrial society has already done tremendous damage to nature and it will take a very long time for the scars to heal. Besides, even pre-industrial societies can do significant damage to nature. Nevertheless, getting rid of industrial society will accomplish a great deal. It will relieve the worst of the pressure on nature so that the scars can begin to heal. It will remove the capacity of organized society to keep increasing its control over nature (including human nature). Whatever kind of society may exist after the demise of the industrial system, it is certain that most people will live close to nature, because in the absence of advanced technology there is no other way that people CAN live. To feed themselves they must be peasants or herdsmen or fishermen or hunters, etc. And, generally speaking, local autonomy should tend to increase, because lack of advanced technology and rapid communications will limit the capacity of governments or other large organizations to control local communities.<br /><br />185. As for the negative consequences of eliminating industrial society—well, you can’t eat your cake and have it too. To gain one thing you have to sacrifice another.<br /><br />186. Most people hate psychological conflict. For this reason they avoid doing any serious thinking about difficult social issues, and they like to have such issues presented to them in simple, black-and-white terms: THIS is all good and THAT is all bad. The revolutionary ideology should therefore be developed on two levels.<br /><br />187. On the more sophisticated level the ideology should address itself to people who are intelligent, thoughtful and rational. The object should be to create a core of people who will be opposed to the industrial system on a rational, thought-out basis, with full appreciation of the problems and ambiguities involved, and of the price that has to be paid for getting rid of the system. It is particularly important to attract people of this type, as they are capable people and will be instrumental in influencing others. These people should be addressed on as rational a level as possible. Facts should never intentionally be distorted and intemperate language should be avoided. This does not mean that no appeal can be made to the emotions, but in making such appeal care should be taken to avoid misrepresenting the truth or doing anything else that would destroy the intellectual respectability of the ideology.<br /><br />188. On a second level, the ideology should be propagated in a simplified form that will enable the unthinking majority to see the conflict of technology vs. nature in unambiguous terms. But even on this second level the ideology should not be expressed in language that is so cheap, intemperate or irrational that it alienates people of the thoughtful and rational type. Cheap, intemperate propaganda sometimes achieves impressive short-term gains, but it will be more advantageous in the long run to keep the loyalty of a small number of intelligently committed people than to arouse the passions of an unthinking, fickle mob who will change their attitude as soon as someone comes along with a better propaganda gimmick. However, propaganda of the rabble-rousing type may be necessary when the system is nearing the point of collapse and there is a final struggle between rival ideologies to determine which will become dominant when the old world-view goes under.<br /><br />189. Prior to that final struggle, the revolutionaries should not expect to have a majority of people on their side. History is made by active, determined minorities, not by the majority, which seldom has a clear and consistent idea of what it really wants. Until the time comes for the final push toward revolution [31], the task of revolutionaries will be less to win the shallow support of the majority than to build a small core of deeply committed people. As for the majority, it will be enough to make them aware of the existence of the new ideology and remind them of it frequently; though of course it will be desirable to get majority support to the extent that this can be done without weakening the core of seriously committed people.<br /><br />190. Any kind of social conflict helps to destabilize the system, but one should be careful about what kind of conflict one encourages. The line of conflict should be drawn between the mass of the people and the power-holding elite of industrial society (politicians, scientists, upper-level business executives, government officials, etc.). It should NOT be drawn between the revolutionaries and the mass of the people. For example, it would be bad strategy for the revolutionaries to condemn Americans for their habits of consumption. Instead, the average American should be portrayed as a victim of the advertising and marketing industry, which has suckered him into buying a lot of junk that he doesn’t need and that is very poor compensation for his lost freedom. Either approach is consistent with the facts. It is merely a matter of attitude whether you blame the advertising industry for manipulating the public or blame the public for allowing itself to be manipulated. As a matter of strategy one should generally avoid blaming the public.<br /><br />191. One should think twice before encouraging any other social conflict than that between the power- holding elite (which wields technology) and the general public (over which technology exerts its power). For one thing, other conflicts tend to distract attention from the important conflicts (between power-elite and ordinary people, between technology and nature); for another thing, other conflicts may actually tend to encourage technologization, because each side in such a conflict wants to use technological power to gain advantages over its adversary. This is clearly seen in rivalries between nations. It also appears in ethnic conflicts within nations. For example, in America many black leaders are anxious to gain power for African Americans by placing back individuals in the technological power-elite. They want there to be many black government officials, scientists, corporation executives and so forth. In this way they are helping to absorb the African American subculture into the technological system. Generally speaking, one should encourage only those social conflicts that can be fitted into the framework of the conflicts of power-elite vs. ordinary people, technology vs nature.<br /><br />192. But the way to discourage ethnic conflict is NOT through militant advocacy of minority rights (see paragraphs 21, 29). Instead, the revolutionaries should emphasize that although minorities do suffer more or less disadvantage, this disadvantage is of peripheral significance. Our real enemy is the industrial- technological system, and in the struggle against the system, ethnic distinctions are of no importance.<br /><br />193. The kind of revolution we have in mind will not necessarily involve an armed uprising against any government. It may or may not involve physical violence, but it will not be a POLITICAL revolution. Its focus will be on technology and economics, not politics. [32]<br /><br />194. Probably the revolutionaries should even AVOID assuming political power, whether by legal or illegal means, until the industrial system is stressed to the danger point and has proved itself to be a failure in the eyes of most people. Suppose for example that some “green” party should win control of the United States Congress in an election. In order to avoid betraying or watering down their own ideology they would have to take vigorous measures to turn economic growth into economic shrinkage. To the average man the results would appear disastrous: There would be massive unemployment, shortages of commodities, etc. Even if the grosser ill effects could be avoided through superhumanly skillful management, still people would have to begin giving up the luxuries to which they have become addicted. Dissatisfaction would grow, the “green” party would be voted out of office and the revolutionaries would have suffered a severe setback. For this reason the revolutionaries should not try to acquire political power until the system has gotten itself into such a mess that any hardships will be seen as resulting from the failures of the industrial system itself and not from the policies of the revolutionaries. The revolution against technology will probably have to be a revolution by outsiders, a revolution from below and not from above.<br /><br />195. The revolution must be international and worldwide. It cannot be carried out on a nation-by-nation basis. Whenever it is suggested that the United States, for example, should cut back on technological progress or economic growth, people get hysterical and start screaming that if we fall behind in technology the Japanese will get ahead of us. Holy robots! The world will fly off its orbit if the Japanese ever sell more cars than we do! (Nationalism is a great promoter of technology.) More reasonably, it is argued that if the relatively democratic nations of the world fall behind in technology while nasty, dictatorial nations like China, Vietnam and North Korea continue to progress, eventually the dictators may come to dominate the world. That is why the industrial system should be attacked in all nations simultaneously, to the extent that this may be possible. True, there is no assurance that the industrial system can be destroyed at approximately the same time all over the world, and it is even conceivable that the attempt to overthrow the system could lead instead to the domination of the system by dictators. That is a risk that has to be taken. And it is worth taking, since the difference between a “democratic” industrial system and one controlled by dictators is small compared with the difference between an industrial system and a non-industrial one. [33] It might even be argued that an industrial system controlled by dictators would be preferable, because dictator-controlled systems usually have proved inefficient, hence they are presumably more likely to break down. Look at Cuba.<br /><br />196. Revolutionaries might consider favoring measures that tend to bind the world economy into a unified whole. Free trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT are probably harmful to the environment in the short run, but in the long run they may perhaps be advantageous because they foster economic interdependence between nations. It will be easier to destroy the industrial system on a worldwide basis if the world economy is so unified that its breakdown in any one major nation will lead to its breakdown in all industrialized nations.<br /><br />197. Some people take the line that modern man has too much power, too much control over nature; they argue for a more passive attitude on the part of the human race. At best these people are expressing themselves unclearly, because they fail to distinguish between power for LARGE ORGANIZATIONS and power for INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GROUPS. It is a mistake to argue for powerlessness and passivity, because people NEED power. Modern man as a collective entity—that is, the industrial system—has immense power over nature, and we (FC) regard this as evil. But modern INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS have far less power than primitive man ever did. Generally speaking, the vast power of “modern man” over nature is exercised not by individuals or small groups but by large organizations. To the extent that the average modern INDIVIDUAL can wield the power of technology, he is permitted to do so only within narrow limits and only under the supervision and control of the system. (You need a license for everything and with the license come rules and regulations.) The individual has only those technological powers with which the system chooses to provide him. His PERSONAL power over nature is slight.<br /><br />198. Primitive INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GROUPS actually had considerable power over nature; or maybe it would be better to say power WITHIN nature. When primitive man needed food he knew how to find and prepare edible roots, how to track game and take it with homemade weapons. He knew how to protect himself from heat, cold, rain, dangerous animals, etc. But primitive man did relatively little damage to nature because the COLLECTIVE power of primitive society was negligible compared to the COLLECTIVE power of industrial society.<br /><br />199. Instead of arguing for powerlessness and passivity, one should argue that the power of the INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM should be broken, and that this will greatly INCREASE the power and freedom of INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GROUPS.<br /><br />200. Until the industrial system has been thoroughly wrecked, the destruction of that system must be the revolutionaries’ ONLY goal. Other goals would distract attention and energy from the main goal. More importantly, if the revolutionaries permit themselves to have any other goal than the destruction of technology, they will be tempted to use technology as a tool for reaching that other goal. If they give in to that temptation, they will fall right back into the technological trap, because modern technology is a unified, tightly organized system, so that, in order to retain SOME technology, one finds oneself obliged to retain MOST technology, hence one ends up sacrificing only token amounts of technology.<br /><br />201. Suppose for example that the revolutionaries took “social justice” as a goal. Human nature being what it is, social justice would not come about spontaneously; it would have to be enforced. In order to enforce it the revolutionaries would have to retain central organization and control. For that they would need rapid long-distance transportation and communication, and therefore all the technology needed to support the transportation and communication systems. To feed and clothe poor people they would have to use agricultural and manufacturing technology. And so forth. So that the attempt to insure social justice would force them to retain most parts of the technological system. Not that we have anything against social justice, but it must not be allowed to interfere with the effort to get rid of the technological system.<br /><br />202. It would be hopeless for revolutionaries to try to attack the system without using SOME modern technology. If nothing else they must use the communications media to spread their message. But they should use modern technology for only ONE purpose: to attack the technological system.<br /><br />203. Imagine an alcoholic sitting with a barrel of wine in front of him. Suppose he starts saying to himself, “Wine isn’t bad for you if used in moderation. Why, they say small amounts of wine are even good for you! It won’t do me any harm if I take just one little drink.... “ Well you know what is going to happen. Never forget that the human race with technology is just like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine.<br /><br />204. Revolutionaries should have as many children as they can. There is strong scientific evidence that social attitudes are to a significant extent inherited. No one suggests that a social attitude is a direct outcome of a person’s genetic constitution, but it appears that personality traits are partly inherited and that certain personality traits tend, within the context of our society, to make a person more likely to hold this or that social attitude. Objections to these findings have been raised, but the objections are feeble and seem to be ideologically motivated. In any event, no one denies that children tend on the average to hold social attitudes similar to those of their parents. From our point of view it doesn’t matter all that much whether the attitudes are passed on genetically or through childhood training. In either case they ARE passed on.<br /><br />205. The trouble is that many of the people who are inclined to rebel against the industrial system are also concerned about the population problems, hence they are apt to have few or no children. In this way they may be handing the world over to the sort of people who support or at least accept the industrial system. To insure the strength of the next generation of revolutionaries the present generation should reproduce itself abundantly. In doing so they will be worsening the population problem only slightly. And the important problem is to get rid of the industrial system, because once the industrial system is gone the world’s population necessarily will decrease (see paragraph 167); whereas, if the industrial system survives, it will continue developing new techniques of food production that may enable the world’s population to keep increasing almost indefinitely.<br /><br />206. With regard to revolutionary strategy, the only points on which we absolutely insist are that the single overriding goal must be the elimination of modern technology, and that no other goal can be allowed to compete with this one. For the rest, revolutionaries should take an empirical approach. If experience indicates that some of the recommendations made in the foregoing paragraphs are not going to give good results, then those recommendations should be discarded.


