Speaking of gr*v*l, I still don't know what to make of the new Canyon Grail The (((affordable))) one (4k) is 9.6kg heavy despite not having front derailleur. The 6k CFR one is 8.4kg, that's a BIG difference. They come with 40t front and 10-51t rear. I don't know, I feel like the market has moved on from Bertaceks to different sort of freds. The colour livery is also pretty lame, the previous model looked great.