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>(who?) still stands here.

Everyone.

>roman and greek engineering was successfull.

I meant Northern Europe, of course the Greco-Romans did but they would, they lived much closer to the rest of the stone masoning world, the north never had much of a history of it to begin with other than very rudimentary structures.


>If you're not cult of zealots why wouldnt it? Old religions were already integrated parts of old traditions, pagans did not kill each other in the name of their super righteous cult. This is mostly christian invention.

They also had some issues with Jews when they made them recognise the Roman emperor as a god and killed them when they did not, not really religious freedom.

>there was, if you give example how certain thinker is opressed it is still the case todays europe if you end up in wrong side of politics.

Well the above point was hardly freedom of speech either.