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Shitty maps Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 13:54:48 [Preview] No. 18124
I've seen a lot of maps like these popping up recently. I'm guessing these come from people who learn European history through Paradox games. This hurts my eyes.
>us wanting to unite with the Swedes, let alone the Dutch and Austrians
>Balkans, let alone the ENTIRE SLAVIC WORLD wanting to unite
>apparently, Istanbul and much of Asia Minor is Greek, yet Königsberg and the rest of Prussia is Slavic
>the Flemish are part of pan Latinism
>Cornwall being that big
>Finns, Estonians, and Hungarians are apparently part of the Indo-European world, but Basques aren't represented in Spain and France
>neither are Caucasians represented in the Caucasus
>Ossetia isn't included as part of the Iranian world
>Evropa, yet the guy who made this map is likely an American who speaks English

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 14:30:03 [Preview] No.18125 del
vae victis

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 15:51:25 [Preview] No.18126 del
I agree that map is absolute horse manure.
Frankly if we would correct the map based on nationalism, then that map would be more fragmented than Europe is now. There are lots of groups who consider themselves ethnic minorities and expressed their wish for self governance even in the past few years. We had a discussion on this in the Catalonia themed politics thread and in the elections thread as well.
Con-nationalism can exist but the participant nations who are forming the supra-national entity should be let to experience their own nationalism and let that mature so they can appreciate the other would be participants similar sentiments.
This map is just who-belongs-to-what language family mixed in with the notion that we-should-chuck-them-together-even-if-they-would-hate-each-other and plastered with Nazi symbolism.
Yeah, the creator was probably a Paradox-gaming Amerilard.

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 19:15:36 [Preview] No.18128 del
Hmm. I don't think that even authors of these maps take all this very seriously.

>us wanting to unite with the Swedes

Actually, why? You are very closely related, and you aren't Slavic savages who hate each other just because they can.

>Ossetia isn't included as part of the Iranian world

I don't think that modern Ossetia has anything related to Iranian world at all. They are assimilated to local Caucasian world long ago.

>apparently, Istanbul and much of Asia Minor is Greek,

For some reason. ideas of Greek Constantinople and resurrection of Byzantines is thriving in the heads of westerners.

>Balkans, let alone the ENTIRE SLAVIC WORLD wanting to unite

Yeah. that's fun, especially today. Although Panslavism isn't a meme - real proponents of this idea exist, and some part of population in all slavic countries are ok with it (although in some countries it is very small part).

In 19th century it wasn't even a joke.

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 20:45:22 [Preview] No.18129 del
Looks like it was made by an American white """"""""""nationalist""""""""""

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 23:02:26 [Preview] No.18131 del
Why are Slavs and Latins allowed to have a large exclave, but Magyars kept separate from the Finns?

Why doesn't Finland get any bit of Karelia?

Why doesn't Scandinavia get Åland? One would expect the author to be a stormfag with a massive hardon for Germanics and thus inflate their territory as much as possible.

Why does Scandinavia annex the Shetland isles, but not Orkney? The two archipelagos should be either fully Scandinavian or fully Celtic.

Why was the author such an idiot with regards to Brittany? He could give the "Pan-Celtic" state only the traditional Celtic-speaking tip or all of traditional Brittany. Instead, he gives it French administrative "Brittany" which is missing Nantes.

Why doesn't Hungary get its share of Slovakia, carpathian Ruthenia and Yugoslavia?

Why does Greece gain enough territory to become majority Turkish, but doesn't even get Northern Epirus?

Not even Paradox games are to blame for the author's schizophrenia, because he'd have made a slightly more reasonable map if only he had played Victoria II.

Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 02:15:16 [Preview] No.18136 del
>Actually, why? You are very closely related, and you aren't Slavic savages who hate each other just because they can.
Remember the Kalmar Union? Remember when Sweden seceded, and the rivalry between our empires after that? That's why us and the Swedes are kinda at each other. The Southern Slavs I believe hate each other because of their religions, and how they write their language in.
>I don't think that modern Ossetia has anything related to Iranian world at all. They are assimilated to local Caucasian world long ago.
They're still very much Iranian. They're not Persian, but Iranian. They speak an Indo-Iranian language, they descend from the Scythians, the Sarmatians, and the Alans, notable Iranian nomads, hell, North Ossetia in Russia is formally called "The Republic of North Ossetia-Alania". Many Ossetians today practice Uatsdin and other Scythian religion (29.4% in North Ossetia-Alania, and an unknown but notable minority in South Ossetia). I'd still consider it part of the Iranian world.
>For some reason. ideas of Greek Constantinople and resurrection of Byzantines is thriving in the heads of westerners.
Really, I'd give up. Moscow is already basically the successor to Constantinople to Orthodox Christians (the third Rome), yet they care so much about Greeks retaking Constantinople. You don't hear anything about Greeks wanting to "retake Alexandria", or "retake Carthage", or Germans wanting to "retake Bohemia + Moravia, Southern Jutland, Prussia and Danzig", they care more about Istanbul and Anatolia. There's no reason to take it aside from its strategic location, and it's not in the interest of Americans to take Istanbul, hell, Greeks don't even like Americans.
>Yeah. that's fun, especially today. Although Panslavism isn't a meme - real proponents of this idea exist, and some part of population in all slavic countries are ok with it (although in some countries it is very small part).
Yeah, if a union between the Southern Slavs failed, if a union between the Eastern Slavs (technically the Russian Empire and Soviet Union?) failed, and a union between the Western Slavs (Czechoslovakia) failed, a union between ALL Slavs would go totally well. Also, keep in mind that this Slavic state would not contain just the modern day Slavic nations, but would likely contain the Russian majority areas in Kazakhstan (which is apparently part of the Slavic world in this map), and Uzbekistan. Yep, that'd go totally well.
>Why doesn't Scandinavia get Åland? One would expect the author to be a stormfag with a massive hardon for Germanics and thus inflate their territory as much as possible.
The odd thing is, as much as he is an American with absolutely no real knowledge of European history, he gives the Germanics the other end of the straw. Czechoslovakia gets to keep Bohemia and Moravia, Poland gets to keep Prussia and Danzig, and Flanders is apparently part of the "Pan Latin world". A true "Pan Germanicist" would include Flanders and the German part of Wallonia.

Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 09:35:16 [Preview] No.18139 del
>Remember the Kalmar Union? Remember when Sweden seceded, and the rivalry between our empires after that?

But this happened very long time ago. Now even non-related countries in Europe slowly going into somewhat-united state of EU (at least try). Do modern Danes and Swedes really remember all this union thing?

>They're still very much Iranian. They're not Persian, but Iranian. They speak an Indo-Iranian language, they descend from the Scythians, the Sarmatians, and the Alans, notable Iranian nomads, hell, North Ossetia in Russia is formally called "The Republic of North Ossetia-Alania".

Technically yes, but their modern culture is more like Caucasian/Russian mix. I don't want to make assumptions, but looks like modern Ossetian is related to Iranian culture even less than modern Irish-American to Irish.

Fun fact: manager of Russian football team, Cherchesov, is Ossetian.

>Yeah, if a union between the Southern Slavs failed, if a union between the Eastern Slavs (technically the Russian Empire and Soviet Union?) failed, and a union between the Western Slavs (Czechoslovakia) failed, a union between ALL Slavs would go totally well

Yes, idea is pretty shitty. But some people believe in this.

Some kind of union technically possible between Eastern Slavs because they are culturally close, but not in current political condition after that Ukraine thing. Although in far future or in alternative timeline it is possible. Union between Eastern and Western looks like fantasy, and any union between Southern Slavs and anyone looks crazy.

Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 10:33:27 [Preview] No.18142 del
We're taught this in school, well, at least where I live in. Although Swedish-Danish relations have been getting a lot better over the last few decades, us Danes, and even Norwegians to an extent, have been at it with the Swedes for a long time, Sweden seceded from the Kalmar Union in the early 16th century, and wars went on all the way to the Napoleonic wars, and after that, Sweden forced Norway into a personal union with them.
>Technically yes, but their modern culture is more like Caucasian/Russian mix. I don't want to make assumptions, but looks like modern Ossetian is related to Iranian culture even less than modern Irish-American to Irish.
It's a mix of Iranian, Caucasian, and (partly) Russian. It's enough for Ossetia to merge with Iran, I'm not saying it should merge with Iran, but it's Iranian enough to join a pan-Iranian state.

Bernd 07/30/2018 (Mon) 05:25:25 [Preview] No.18150 del
>They speak an Indo-Iranian language, they descend from the Scythians, the Sarmatians, and the Alans, notable Iranian nomads
Or not.
The speculation that Scythians spoke Indo-European language stands on four pillars, and all of them are wonkier then the others. One being is the Ossetian argument, which goes like this:
>How do we know Scythians spoke Iranian language?
<We know because Ossetians are their descendants.
>How do we know Ossetians are the descendants of the Scythians?
<We know because Scythians spoke Iranian language.
The argument is built on a presupposition which is needed for the argument to fit. This is called circular logic and as such has to be discarded as an argument.
The funny thing the Ossetians probably are the descendants of Scythians. Just like many other nation, everyone from the Caucasus to the Oka and from the Vienna basin to the Volga (and even further east).

Bernd 07/30/2018 (Mon) 05:48:40 [Preview] No.18152 del
Well, we do know the Ossetians descend from the Alans, who were very much Iranian.

Bernd 07/30/2018 (Mon) 16:59:14 [Preview] No.18153 del
>we do know the Ossetians descend from the Alans
Nod really.
We do know that Ossetians are sometimes called Ossi (which could make them East German as well...) and the Alans called themselves As. Supposedly because even this isn't sure.
We also do know that the Alans in the 12-13th centuries and the modern Ossets say "Good day!" the same. But if we didn't know anything about Hungarians only that they have a greeting Szervusz! and that on the area of pre-1920 Hungary were not one but two Roman province we could conclude Hungarians descend from the Romans!
>who were very much Iranian.
On the other hand there were a tribe of Turkomans called Alan and al Biruni said they were living with the Pechenegs.

But let's say Ossets descended from Alans and Alans are Iranians. This doesn't make them Sarmatians or Scythians - and proving these two peoples were Iranians - because Alans are more likely related to Sogdians and Khwarazmians and came from the east from the Caspian and not north of the Caucasus and the Black sea.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 09:24:24 [Preview] No.18167 del
New map(s). The author of this map unfortunately however, isn't an American who says shit like
<"Heil mother Evropa, I learn all my world history from Paradox games and Sabaton music!"
He's rather a Swede. Apparently however, these maps actually have some context to it, and it has that Paradox STINK to it.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 09:25:55 [Preview] No.18168 del

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 09:27:56 [Preview] No.18169 del
Fuck, I meant to upload Australia rather than America twice.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 11:36:32 [Preview] No.18171 del
Karelia isn't part of Finland

Ingria meme

Free "Nenetsia" and "Komiland" (oh really?) but no Ukrainian south in Russia.

Sami in Murmansk.

And multiple other fun things, but I'm too lazy to read his text.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 16:29:22 [Preview] No.18173 del
He also speak Hungarian fluently. According to him. Funny guy.
So it's obvious he has the assburgers and from the description these maps are some fantasy/mind game of his about a future WWIII and it's consequences. What I found preposterous is the African countries uniting instead of fragmenting which is a worldwide trend. No way all those xenophobic tribes who eyeballing each other with racist hatred will unite or even prevail on the other.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 16:41:07 [Preview] No.18175 del
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>that Danish feel when your worst enemy is... Sweden

I know you are best buddies, I watched Bron.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 17:45:45 [Preview] No.18176 del
Is that actually good Hungarian?

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 18:22:08 [Preview] No.18177 del
Yes, that legit.
But he states on his deviantart profile he is proficient in Hungarian.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 18:58:48 [Preview] No.18178 del
I meant to say, did he speak actually good Hungarian? I also just realized that on that map, Grønland isn't part of the "European federation", yet Kurdistan apparently is.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 19:03:28 [Preview] No.18179 del
I didn't speak to him and I haven't seen any Hungarian writings there tho I didn't really read the comments anywhere.
The funny guy remark was for that passport and the description. :)

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 19:24:32 [Preview] No.18180 del
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This looks better, at least the Amazigh are represented in North Africa, Circassians are represented, and Ossetians are represented. But it still very much looks like it's made by an American Paradox gamer
>over inflated Kurdistan
>Greek Constantinople and Anatolia, yet Danzig, Bohemia, Moravia aren't German, and Schleswig-Holstein
>Sorbs get an independent state in Germany for some reason
>Balkanization of Iberia and Gaul
>Crimea part of Ukraine

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 22:03:06 [Preview] No.18185 del
What is that in the east from Ukraine?

At least someone splitted Italy though.

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 23:54:19 [Preview] No.18190 del
Don cossacks, it seems.

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 05:42:01 [Preview] No.18194 del
Can Don Cossacks be considered their own ethnic group? I mean, I guess.

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 07:17:15 [Preview] No.18196 del
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>Can Don Cossacks be considered their own ethnic group?

It's hard to say. They were ethnosocial group, more social, than ethnic. But they are non-existent as group nowadays, late Empire and then Soviet Union completely destroyed them and assimilated. Modern cossacks are true cosplayers, although some specific culture still remain.

But if we'll take assumption that they exist (on map), Kuban need to be painted as cossack state, not Circassia. Although it is debatable if cossacks and remain of Circassians are truly different people now.

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 08:40:04 [Preview] No.18198 del
Old believers I guess?

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 20:29:46 [Preview] No.18208 del
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Old believers are meme. Internet says that they exist, but they are very hard to find. Not much easier than Ingiran separatists or some other obscure people.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 05:31:49 [Preview] No.18210 del

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 14:51:23 [Preview] No.18213 del
Oh yes, were the Rurikids all just Slavicized Scandinavians?

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 19:46:37 [Preview] No.18232 del
Why do mapfags love the idea of independent Cornwall so much? Half the people living there aren't even really Cornish, just rich old English people who retire and want to live by the sea.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:00:58 [Preview] No.18235 del
I mean, it is one of the six Celtic nations, and the Cornish tongue is seeing a renaissance of sorts. Then again, I'm no Briton, I don't really know much about the Cornwall situation, so don't mark my words.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:07:56 [Preview] No.18236 del
Many areas in Europe have similar problems and that map is very "ugh, bleh" as well.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:18:31 [Preview] No.18238 del
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What the fuck is this? My eyes!

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:33:22 [Preview] No.18241 del
>were the Rurikids all just Slavicized Scandinavians?

There are two large approaches in Russian historical community. First is Norman theory - as name says it is about Scandinavian influence. It states that Rurik and Rus people were Scandinavians, they first colonized/conquered/acquired lands that were sparsely populated by Slavs and controlled them until assimilation (few centuries at least, judging by names of rulers). That theory is supported by some archeological (especially in north) and historical records, and was dominant in some periods of Russian history.

Second one is Anti-normanism, it states that Rurik was a Slav and Rus were Slavic tribe. Proponents of this theory also has some archeological support (especially negative-style support, i.e. no large amount of Norse artifacts in some places) and some linguistic and historical evidence. Rurik may be western Slav or someone from Baltic region, but not Norseman.

Both theories replace each other as dominant in some historical periods, this struggle is very political by itself, because it is related to nation building and other things.

I, personally, think that Norman theory is better and has more evidence, but I'm not a historian at all.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:40:37 [Preview] No.18242 del
That's just silly. Best map is coming through.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:42:56 [Preview] No.18243 del
Also add Estonia, Finland, much of East Volga Russia and Central Asia, and other Fenno-Mongol entities.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:52:00 [Preview] No.18245 del
You just gave me an idea. But won't realise it today. I'm sleepy as fuck now.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:58:46 [Preview] No.18246 del
I'd say the Norse theory is more likely. Most contemporary sources describe them as Vikings, Ahmad ibn Fadlan, Ahmad ibn Rustah, the Slavic Primary Chronicle all describe them as of a Germanic phenotype, practicing Norse paganism, and with Norse armor and weapons. Also, literally all the Rurikid Varangian princes up until Sviatoslav had Norse names. The only ones I see who see the Rurikids are the Turboslavs, hell, I see most people who spout out "WE WUZ RURIK" are from Poland.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 20:59:44 [Preview] No.18247 del
>The only ones I see who see the Rurikids
Fuck, I meant the only ones I know who see the Rurikids as of Slavic origin.

Bernd 08/02/2018 (Thu) 22:26:07 [Preview] No.18248 del
>I see most people who spout out "WE WUZ RURIK" are from Poland.

Poles are strange people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 05:14:49 [Preview] No.18249 del
Let's keep in mind that Polacks say that EVERYONE who has a foot on Polish soil is automatically Slavic. They say that "the original Vandals were Slavs" and provide shitty evidence. They say that the "Huns were Slavs" and provide shitty evidence. They say "Genghis Khan was a Slav" and then provide shitty evidence, although they do have the point that some of Genghis' grandchildren were Russians, his remains had Mongoloid haplotypes, he lived in the steppe, and he was a redhead with small eyes, typical Mongoloid features. The Tatars? Slavenski. The Rigveda? Slavenski. They also deny that Slav comes from slave, because the Swedes, Anglo-Saxons, even the Arabs enslaved them. They have such an inferiority complex that even Afrocentrists want nothing to do with them, and call Polacks "native Albinos".

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 08:12:36 [Preview] No.18251 del
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And speaking of retarded Polacks and Paradox games, this map. Just this map. I think I'm going to throw up after this. Bleh.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 16:38:21 [Preview] No.18252 del
Frankly Germanics are the leading masters in that. Everyone else are dwarfed by them.
Btw Slav really ain't coming from the Latin word for slave even if I say so sometimes in arguments with Slavs but these occasions are less and less because there's no point, so this only reduced to the level of banter with Northern Hungarians. If I remember correctly the Sclaveni is always mentioned together with Antes who were (most likely) also Slavs and their name can't be connected with to word slave.
Also Latins rather used the word servus, didn't they.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 16:55:39 [Preview] No.18254 del
Yes, Germanics are very ethnocentric, according to them, the ancient Greeks were Germanic, the Indo-Europeans were Germanic (wasn't around 40% of Germanic vocabulary non Indo-European?), the Scythians being Germanic (apparently, they have a Celtic connection, they're mentioned in Irish mythology), the Zulus were Germanic, the Germanics were the first to discover America, showing ancient sculptures in a non-Germanic civilization with blue eyes, and everything with blue eyes is Nordic. Australia? Germanic. Indonesia? Germanic. Kosovo? Germanic. Kazakhstan? Germanic. Swahilis? Germanic. Aboriginal Australia? Germanic. If you deny my Hyperborean theory, and deny that not every culture was Germanic, fuck you. Celts are also very ethnocentric, they once said that megaliths in New Zealand are of Celtic origin, but they're still not as ethnocentric as us Germanics, the Slavs, and the Negroes.
where's the greater Hungary + other Fenno-Mongol and Turkic states map?

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 17:30:41 [Preview] No.18255 del
>Let's keep in mind that Polacks say that EVERYONE who has a foot on Polish soil is automatically Slavic.
Where do you see that? Except from couple of niche meme sites and youtubers I have rarely seen it being promoted.
Was this common view among poles on kc main(may it rest in eternal peace)?

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 17:34:22 [Preview] No.18256 del
Eh really, just the Turboslavs.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 18:58:35 [Preview] No.18260 del
>They also deny that Slav comes from slave
I thought it was the other way around? Can't remember where, but I read that slave came from Slav due to them being commonly enslaved.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 19:46:57 [Preview] No.18263 del
>Yes, Germanics are very ethnocentric,

Maybe every nation has this thing? Because things like "Jesus was a Russian" or "Egyptian pyramids built by ancient Rus people" are known here.

>If I remember correctly the Sclaveni is always mentioned together with Antes who were (most likely) also Slavs and their name can't be connected with to word slave.

As far as I know, there is multiple theories but they all weak and no real answer in sight. So, maybe it is really related to "slave".

There is also theory about word "Slava" - "glory", or about "Slovo" - "word".

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 20:25:51 [Preview] No.18264 del
Every race wants to claim (insert famous religious or political figure here) for their own. The reasons why I bring up Slavs in particular is that I've been seeing these videos that aim to debunk modern mainstream history, as they claim that ever since the Protestant Reformation, the original chronicles have been EDITED by modern historians, and they do this with highly academic sources on Turboslavism, how the Rigveda was Slavic, how Genghis Khan was actually a Russian redhead, how the Vandals and Huns were actually Slavs because they lived in Eastern Europe (let's keep in mind the Slavs didn't migrate from modern day Belarus and Poland until after the Germanic migration period), how there were giant Bosnian pyramids, etc. This YouTube channel called NewEarth in particular spews out shit about Hyperborean survival, and how all civilizations were linked or something. Although part of it is very much true, much of it is very, very misrepresented, or straight out bullshit. You might want to check it out.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 20:30:17 [Preview] No.18265 del
>where's the greater Hungary + other Fenno-Mongol and Turkic states map?
"Keeping calm is the secret for a long life!"
I'll have time during weekend. Probably won't be like you think it will be.
The thing is sometimes I've no time, sometimes I've no energy, sometimes I've no motivation, sometimes I just forget things.
Oh and that's Great-greater-greater Hungary. That map - btw - is a joke on the old Hungarian phrase/meme: "That time when three seas washed Hungary's shore!" - meaning when Hungary was great and relevant. It refers the time of Louis I the Great. It's false ofc because:
1. Poland wasn't part of Hungary
2. Poland didn't even have a shore at that time.
So this map is a parody/caricature of that.

That sounds plausible tho. They had their own name what they referred to themselves and that was associated with them.

Germanics invented it.
Oh yeah, I remember slovo, especially because Poles call Germany Niemcy and we call Germans német which both supposedly means mute. I suppose we borrowed this word from the Poles as previously we just referred to them as Schwab (very popular) or Bavarian or Saxon (or if they lived on the Hungary they could have nicknames like the Zipsers who lived in Szepes county, now in Northern Hungary).

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 20:38:30 [Preview] No.18267 del
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We had much more radical theories when youtube didn't even exist:


Fomenko not only tries to rewrite everything, but uses mathematical methods, statistics and other things (he is mathematician).

>especially because Poles call Germany Niemcy and we call Germans német which both supposedly means mute

Russians call them немцы too. Although word германцы exists, but used only for ancient Germanics.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 20:50:14 [Preview] No.18268 del
That channel is inspired by the New Chronology theory. It's run by Sylvie Ivanowa (a Bulgarian lady) who travels to ancient monuments/sites and tries to prove the Fomenko's points.

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 21:45:03 [Preview] No.18269 del
>Kingdom of Iberia

Don't forget /pol/ threads on archaeology and the distant past.
>the Pyramids?
<ancient Aryans!
>terracota army?
<ancient Aryans!
<ancient Aryan people who got expelled by (((Akkad))), moved to the steppes and founded European civilization

Bernd 08/03/2018 (Fri) 21:52:18 [Preview] No.18270 del
I also love how they just forget about Andorra and Monaco.

Bernd 08/04/2018 (Sat) 07:39:08 [Preview] No.18273 del
<<ancient Aryan people who got expelled by (((Akkad))), moved to the steppes and founded European civilization
T-that's true. But they were Hung-Aryans with their agglutinative language of theirs. And they weren't really expelled but fled from Mesopotamia away from the bloodthirsty and murderous Semitic barbarians.

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There you go.

Bernd 08/04/2018 (Sat) 12:54:47 [Preview] No.18275 del
What is Iberia and Gaul in that map?

Bernd 08/04/2018 (Sat) 12:59:43 [Preview] No.18276 del
Oh, that's Africa.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 10:05:01 [Preview] No.18279 del
This isn't really a shitty map, but here's ALL territories ruled by Muslims at one point in history.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 11:27:47 [Preview] No.18280 del
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These maps showing Ottoman rule (I think they are on Wikipedia as well) are bugging me. The part of the Hungarian Kingdom we call "Royal Hungary" was never under Ottoman rule. They could lead campaigns that far if the Sultans really wanted but the real border was somewhere along the lines in blue.
However it complicates things that in the beginning after the death of Louis II (1526) two kings were elected, a Habsburg and a "national" king whom Suleiman I started to back and his son become the Sultan's kind of vassal/ally eventually but the little king was never crowned and neither of them payed taxes for the Sultan (which would prove them being his subject), the Principality of Transylvania - which formed on the lands of the "national" king - started that.
But. The kingdom itself was torn apart into to pieces between the two kings with claims on the part of the other's.
Again but: at some point Suleiman "adopted" the Habsburg king, Ferdinand and "gave" him the Hungarian kingship symbolically. I don't now how much weight this event put into the practicality of diplomacy tho.
Frankly the only real proofs that area belonged to the Ottomans is Suleiman's own writings which states he owns Hungary and gave it to whoever. But I could do the same "I own the United States of America" still it doesn't make me owner of anything.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 11:38:56 [Preview] No.18281 del
no sweden or UK? :-DDDDD

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 11:44:11 [Preview] No.18282 del
Or France?
Well that map is outdated for sure.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 11:44:45 [Preview] No.18283 del
Technically, part of the modern-day UK was under Muslim rule! Jan Janszoon, a Dutch Muslim pirate captured Lundy, an island in the Bristol channel that back then belonged to England before the Union of the crowns, planted an Ottoman flag, and used it as a base for raids. This was the same pirate who led the expedition to Iceland, in what the Icelanders call Tyrkjaránið (Turkish raid).

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 06:35:18 [Preview] No.18289 del
And technically, that map includes Septimania and Aquitane, large chunks of France.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 06:52:22 [Preview] No.18290 del

It is pretty fun that they marked all Ural mountains even to Arctic ocean.

These territories are wild and empty, so marking it as "ruled by someone" is strange even today. What Muslims ruled over them? Some tatar tribes?

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 06:55:13 [Preview] No.18291 del
Yep, Tatar tribes, the Siberian Khanate.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 07:18:26 [Preview] No.18293 del
And technically, if we count the Tatar yoke, they'd have ALL of European Russia.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 08:46:33 [Preview] No.18295 del
Muslims ruled southern France?

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 08:57:25 [Preview] No.18296 del
Yes they did! The Visigoths controlled Septimania, and after the Muslim conquest of the Visigothic Kingdom, they gained Septimania. They also raided the Duchy of Aquitane, and controlled it for quite some time, of course, they were pushed back by Charles Martel, and all Umayyad strongholds in Gaul were conquered by Pepin.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 11:22:02 [Preview] No.18299 del
I heard a similar theory before that Otto III of the """""Holy""""" """""Roman""""" """""Empire""""" rewrote about 300 years of history, so we're actually living in the 1700s right now:
>Come on, it's 1721!

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 11:46:20 [Preview] No.18300 del
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The sad thing is, at least the Afrocentrists with their claims that every culture (even the Neanderthals) and civilization was black, aren't taken seriously (aside from those Hebrew Israelites and other black cults). People are actually buying Fomenko's crap, just look at the reviews:
Apparently the Tatars are actually Slavs, apparently Sanskrit was a SLAVIC LANGUAGE. Apparently, every civilization was of Slavic origin, or were made up.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 16:04:27 [Preview] No.18315 del
>the amount of WE WUZ in that single paragraph
Also, I doubt many people are taking it seriously. The reviews are good, but that's probably because only kc tier autists who genuinely believe the theory in the first place would actually bother to read his book.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 16:06:59 [Preview] No.18316 del
Also speaking of Afrocentric wewuzzery, here's a personal favourite of mine:

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 17:16:01 [Preview] No.18321 del
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Aside from it literally being impossible for sub-Saharan Africans to live in Scandinavia without modern-day Vitamin D medicine, most of their evidence is shit. These people mostly just edit Byzantine photos to make them look darker, you can see those straight noses in "bleck wikangz" and "black keltz". Then again, if we look at actual scholarly sources from those periods:
>Never have I seen a people with a more perfect body than them. They are tall like palm trees, with blond hair and ruddy skin. From fingertips to their neck, each of them has a collection of trees, figures and the like. - Ahmad ibn Fadlan on the Varangians, or the Volga Vikings
>The Gauls are tall of body with rippling muscles and white of skin and their hair is blond, and not only naturally so for they also make it their practice by artificial means to increase the distinguishing colour which nature has given it. For they are always washing their hair in limewater and they pull it back from the forehead to the nape of the neck, with the result that their appearance is like that of Satyrs and Pans since the treatment of their hair makes it so heavy and coarse that it differs in no respect from the mane of horses. Some of them shave the beard but others let it grow a little; and the nobles shave their cheeks but they let the moustache grow until it covers the mouth. - Diodorus Siculus on the Gauls
And I've seen worse. I've seen worse! There's a forum dedicated to all of this crap called "Egyptsearch", an offshoot of it "Egyptsearchreloaded", and a shitty website based on highly academic sources from those forums called Realhistoryww. These people say that basically everyone in Europe, East Asia, Africa, and America were black until Central Asian migrants came storming into Europe massacred the black Europeans, and stole all their history. They say that the "black death" was given its name because that was when the black people were genocided, and replaced with Central Asian barbarians with elongated skulls. I've also seen people, namely this HIGHLY academic source from Catherine Obianuju Acholonu, a Nigerian "historian" that's apparently dead now, that say that Ogham was of sub-Saharan African origin, which is just sickening.
>Ogam (also spelled Ogham) was the earliest form of writing and communication known in the British Isles and in Scandinavia, where ancient traditions insist that it was introduced by the Druids, who, according to the indigenous traditions of the Isles, were Black African dwarfs and magicians.
I've seen people say that the Neanderthals were black, that Ogham was of sub-Saharan origin, that the Vikings were black, that we're steppe barbarians with flattened heads, that "Israel ruled Europe as Celts, Moors, and Vikings", this isn't as bad as Fomenko's New Chronology and Turboslavism, but it's up there.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 18:43:34 [Preview] No.18322 del
That's liek almost all Occitania. See:

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 19:27:12 [Preview] No.18327 del
That could be explained by what I said.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 10:03:51 [Preview] No.18340 del
Also, I did the map. All red coloured territory in that map have a GDP less than half of the USA's GDP.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 10:55:50 [Preview] No.18342 del
>I did the map
I meant math.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 15:59:49 [Preview] No.18344 del
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Here's another not bad but kind of shitty at the same map, all areas raided or settled by the Norse. One of the main problems of this map is that it includes Norman conquests, like for example, Sicily and Tunisia, both were conquered by the Normans, who at the time were Francophones that likely had nothing left of their Norse descent, aside from legends, like for example, words of Greenland and Iceland. For the most part however, it's accurate.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 16:50:57 [Preview] No.18348 del
Yes, I haven't seen a map which didn't include the Norman adventure into the western Mediterranean.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 17:39:39 [Preview] No.18349 del
And by the way, yes, we did raid as far east as Vola Bulgaria, modern day Azerbaijan, Dagestan, and Iran.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 17:42:04 [Preview] No.18350 del
Not the Danes, they ain't.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 17:55:20 [Preview] No.18351 del
Nope, not the Danes. The Varangians, who are mostly considered to be of Swedish or Geatish origin did. They successfully attacked Gorgan and Mazandaran in northern Iran, and under the forces of Prince Oleg of Novgorod, they captured Abbasid Bardha'a in modern day Arran, Azerbaijan. Sidenote, a hundred years earlier, western Vikings under the forces of the Dane Hastein (and also the legendary Swedish king Bjørn Jernside) raided Morocco, captured Nekor, and stayed their for a week, and also burned the two grand mosques at Algeciras.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 17:56:34 [Preview] No.18352 del
>stayed their

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 20:59:22 [Preview] No.18353 del
I'm close to despise ethnic/linguistic maps. They are misleading with their oversimplification, they are missing the population density and geography layers what could give a realistic picture of the situation. Ofc this problem concerns Hungarians too and had serious historical and diplomatic consequences, so I'll give the Hungarian example.
In the first map you can observe Transylvania and how the ocean of Romanian majority surrounds the little islands of Hungarians. In contrast the reality is that in Transylvania great areas are simply uninhabited mountainous terrain but every fucking map gives the impression that Romanians living there.
By the same effort I could just take pic #3 and color everything with the color indicating Hungarians and get pic #4. Wow, so many Hungarians in Transylvania.
I'm pretty sure this is a valid complaint for other places all around the world but I've only have some knowledge on this.
Here's an interesting alternative from 1918:
If you use any script blocking plugin: I had to allow stuff for this map to work.
I know other maps had similar approach with these little circles/dots but this map was pioneer at that time. The map of pic #3 was based on this btw and has a little English comment too. The main criticism against it the usage of red as that color really grabs the attention and gives different, emphasized impression compared to the others. Later Germans used similar maps to redraw the map of Europe in favour of themselves.

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 21:48:41 [Preview] No.18354 del
I'm actually going to throw up. Apparently, these people recognize minority languages in Iberia and Gaul like Breton, Basque, and Asturian, yet apparently, Italy is all Italian, with no exception. Apparently, Scotland annexed Northumbria, and there's no difference between lowland Scots (A Germanic language VERY similar to English) and Scots Gaelic (A Celtic language). None of Russia's federal subjects in the Volga and the Caucasus are represented. Apparently, Macedonian is a separate language from Bulgarian, and Montenegrin is a separate language from Serbian. Did you mention that the first map right there uses pre-WWII borders?

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 07:09:26 [Preview] No.18361 del
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Here is some ethnic maps in Russian, from Empire period (even without proper legend), pre-war, late USSR and modern.

Most of them aren't good though.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 14:21:58 [Preview] No.18363 del
There's a lot of Russians right there in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 15:12:49 [Preview] No.18364 del
There are ~20% of Russians in Kazakhstan now and ~3% in Uzbekistan.

In past there were much more (up to 50% in Kazakhstan, for example), because these lands were mostly unpopulated steppes where it is easy to became a majority. Most of cities were created as military/trading outposts, and local nomads rarely lived in cities at all. But in USSR times local population became dominant in cities, and anti-russian politics in 90s forced most Russians to move from Central Asia. Russians as ethnic group also have bad birth rate and negative population growth from 70s.

I guess now only Kazakhstan can be considered as country with somewhat relevant Russian minority, but demographic and migration trends will change it in near future.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 15:24:43 [Preview] No.18365 del
Indeed. Russia had her fair share of colonization but they needn't cross the seven seas. I think they have similar frontier culture like the US had during her eastward expansion. Check Dersu Uzala.
Beside what he said >>18364 punitive labor camps was also used to conquer Asia - but I would guess these were used in harsher environment where simple colonists wouldn't go with much enthusiasm - and many prisoners settled in their vicinity. Check Crime and Punishment.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 15:51:57 [Preview] No.18367 del
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>I think they have similar frontier culture like the US had during her eastward expansion

Yes, that's true. It isn't even an US frontier, but real colony like with European powers. Actually, everything east from Urals is colonial land, but no one want to admit it (because Russia didn't had evil colonialism of course).

>punitive labor camps was also used to conquer Asia
>Crime and Punishment.

It was mostly second wave, first were traders/raiders/fugitives. People who run from serfdom, bandits or just people who had nothing to do at homeland but was aggressive enough. Technically, cossacks (both Southern and Siberian) were these people, unorganized group of criminal-like men. Government also sent expeditions (mostly for fur, establishing outposts and grabbing money from locals) - they mostly used that type of people too.

Some notable people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yermak_Timofeyevich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerofey_Khabarov

Fun fact: most of Far Eastern lands and some part of Eastern Siberia are colonized by Ukrainians. There are plenty of Ukrainian last names, and some people even preserve local culture.

Although in commie times relatively wild and free spirit of Siberians was damaged by new waves of industrial migration, so colonial traditions are mostly lost.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 15:56:25 [Preview] No.18368 del
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Speaking of the Russian Empire, picrel. This just cannot happen. I bet there's a larger chance of that Norse raiding empire I posted earlier uniting than this ever happening.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 16:15:38 [Preview] No.18369 del
>most of Far Eastern lands and some part of Eastern Siberia are colonized by Ukrainians

edit: not fully colonized, of course, but had large share of Ukrainian population there. It was 30%+ in Russian Empire times, and in some parts of region they were majority.

Nowadays they mostly identify themselves as Russians though, at least in census, so official average share is 3-4% now.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 17:42:06 [Preview] No.18370 del
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>Did you mention that the first map right there uses pre-WWII borders?
I didn't, it's in the filename tho, and while I just searched for a linguistic map I chose that on purpose as it fits more to the topic of my post as the Hungarian maps - both posted and linked - were based on 1910 data. I think I made a mistake when I stated that the posted map was drawn after the linked one, I think it was other way around.
Btw picrel #1 shows the irl size of the map.

But let's move on to picrel #2, the Romanian "carte rouge" which was inspired by the Hungarian one. I'm sure a cartographer could name a bunch of "errors" cause I can a few just by blink one on this one. Prof. Merutiu made a lot of mess and it's very clear it was ordered with political and propagandistic intentions.
Look at the legend.
The map shows the Romanian ethnicity by percentages. These type of maps are usually come in several map showing the same area but with the percentages of the different ethnicities. Not this one tho. It says it uses two colors for the Hungarians but doesn't say which represents what percentage and the map itself uses only one color out of the two anyway. Moreover the Székelys are indicated with a third color on the map which isn't even in the legend!
All right this differentiate uninhabited areas with the introduction of "transhumanis migratory" =sheep herding territories. But it doesn't state explicitly that noone is living there, it's sign in the legend is grouped with the Romanian ethnicity and just uses a lighter pink shade thus giving the illusion that actual people living there who are Romanians.
The whole color scheme also gives the impression that only in a few counties in the middle of the country far away from the Hungarian border are settled by non-Romanians in majority. And one who really bothers to decode the map can figure out that this is true to a whole bunch of areas as well.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 21:19:12 [Preview] No.18371 del
But Romania is not Slavic.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 23:14:52 [Preview] No.18372 del
It was technically part of the First Bulgarian Empire, but that was mainly Turkic until later years.

Bernd 08/09/2018 (Thu) 21:27:34 [Preview] No.18386 del
So the bulk of the population was in Székely-majority cities, while the sparsely-settled countryside was mostly Romanian?

Given how the conquest of North Asia happened at the same time as the conquest of America with very similar methods and results, I believe historians should give it more emphasis and review it as a chapter of that period's European expansion - just on the opposite direction. These eastward and westward movements then met each other in America's northwestern coast. In this sense North Asia could be considered "New World" rather than Old World.

>Trinidad and Tobago

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 05:32:39 [Preview] No.18388 del
>So the bulk of the population was in Székely-majority cities, while the sparsely-settled countryside was mostly Romanian?
I'm guessing this question was addressed to me.
Almost. It's little bit too complicated for the morning to answer in depth so I might revisit this topic later this day or on the weekend.
In Székelyföld both in towns and in the countryside in the villages and farms everywhere the almost exclusive (some places 100%, in most it's over 90) majority are the Székelys. It can be discussed further if they are Hungarians or not, and this is part of the problem actually.
Outside Székelyföld the small settlements (villages, homesteads) by that time are dominated by the Romanians.
In towns outside Székelyföld the composition of the population is very colorful with mostly the Hungarians dominating, usually with a hair of a majority (barely over 50%). And we're talking about big towns, like Nagyvárad or Arad.
Beside these two ethnicities Germans and Jews were in notable number.
Due to the mountainous terrain, Transylvania is divided into two habitable valleys, and a bunch of small sub-valleys. Most of these places aren't suitable for big settlements. Most butifel landscape.
Also it's good to know that Transylvania today isn't Transylvania by itself. It's Transylvania and the Partium, these are the eastern lands from the Great Hungarian Plain which was governed by the Prince of Transylvania from the 16th century when the Principality came into existence. Most big towns outside Székelyföld (and ofc the German towns of South-Transylvania) is situated here.
Whew, I wrote quite a lot despite I didn't want to.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 05:33:32 [Preview] No.18389 del
>Trinidad and Tobago
Oh God, I haven't noticed.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 05:35:32 [Preview] No.18390 del
>sparsely-settled countryside
Also the countryside wasn't settled sparsely but in many small settlements relatively close to each other.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 10:17:35 [Preview] No.18392 del
Apparently, Poland-Lithuania technically colonised Trinidad and Tobago.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 16:32:36 [Preview] No.18401 del
Well at least they tried to colonize something nice and not fucking Franz Josef Land...

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 18:16:11 [Preview] No.18404 del
Technically, the Austro-Hungarians colonised it, and the USSR just declared it Russian territory after Austria-Hungary lost the war. I guess there is some value to it, as it has a strategic air base in the arctic, and the Cold War was basically resumed after the Donbass war.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 18:36:20 [Preview] No.18405 del
How did the Cold War "resume", and how is the tension between Russia and NATO today a "Cold War"?

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 20:08:29 [Preview] No.18407 del
A TV-personality of ours, a humorist primarily, visited the island some years ago. When he arrived looked around, inspected the constant snow-storm and the barren rocks around then said: "Yes, this is our colony..." So true.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 21:21:09 [Preview] No.18408 del
Is it actually possible to live there? People actually live in Svalbard, the arctic island of Norway, so I'm guessing it's possible to live in Franz Josef land.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 22:43:04 [Preview] No.18409 del
>Is it actually possible to live there?

Why not? In modern times people can live basically everywhere, although external supply is needed of course. Maybe fishing and walrus hunting can help to be sustainable, but there are no trees to be truly self-sufficient.

Bernd 08/11/2018 (Sat) 15:31:28 [Preview] No.18421 del
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What in the name of Tengri is this.

Bernd 08/11/2018 (Sat) 18:23:28 [Preview] No.18422 del
Well, European part of Turkey is weird. But at least no flag for Luxemburg while Liechtenstein got hers, this is always a boon.

Bernd 08/11/2018 (Sat) 20:02:14 [Preview] No.18427 del
I guess European Turkey just sank. Seriously, what the fuck is this.

Bernd 08/11/2018 (Sat) 20:18:26 [Preview] No.18428 del
>European Turkey just sank
Global warming finally arrived
>what the fuck is this.
I think map with flags and little gay animay characters.
No Kosovo? No Kazakhstan? No Scotland and Wales? No Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican? Or the Caucasian countries are the problem? Or the inconsequential use of capitalisation?

Bernd 08/12/2018 (Sun) 00:13:42 [Preview] No.18429 del
But why gay anime characters?

Bernd 08/12/2018 (Sun) 00:51:02 [Preview] No.18430 del
How long have you been on the Internet, friend?

Bernd 08/12/2018 (Sun) 01:46:42 [Preview] No.18431 del
>inconsequential use of capitalization
What really triggered my autism was "British". Calling every country by a noun or every country by an adjective would be fine but mixing them is inconsistent.

And for some reason Iceland seems to be on a different map projection.

Bernd 08/12/2018 (Sun) 07:16:49 [Preview] No.18433 del
I guess it's like an animay version of Rule 34 for some people out there.

Oh yeah.
Btw the drawer only used capitalization for countries starting with I or R. But then, there's:
I bet this map was created by the sole purpose of pissing off autists.

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 07:45:09 [Preview] No.18568 del
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If a "Kingdom of Iberia" is bad enough, then look at this monstrosity.

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 09:28:58 [Preview] No.18570 del
What's that map about? Ruled by Romance/Latin language nations at one point in history?

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 16:41:16 [Preview] No.18578 del

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 16:43:40 [Preview] No.18579 del
Yes. Basically, some Italian guy in an IRC chat said once that "How powerful would a modern-day Roman Empire be?", and then it later derailed to every nation ruled by Italy, and then every nation ruled by Latins at all, and said how it'd be a "hyperpower".

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 18:06:20 [Preview] No.18580 del

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 18:56:19 [Preview] No.18583 del
I mean, it literally controls all of Latin America, most of the USA including some of the most powerful states like Texas and California, all of Canada, most of the Sahara, much of sub-Saharan Africa, most of southern Europe except the west and East Slavs + Germany, England and Wales, the southern Caucasus, the Levant, Iraq, and Bahrain (giving it a lot of Gulf oil), plus Sri Lanka and Indochina. Basically a hyperpower, I doubt even the super caliphate that Danish guy posted can rival it.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 07:47:38 [Preview] No.18956 del
I guess so. So, yes, North Africa would've been western if not for the Arabs. They spoke Latin, were Catholic, and were colonised by Germanic tribes just like all of the former Western Roman Empire. Carthage was a city just like Rome before its conquest by the Muslims.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 15:58:48 [Preview] No.18963 del
Err, bump.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:01:29 [Preview] No.18964 del
I think being Westerner is more like a mindset which comes from several sources. Firstly maybe these areas profited - directly or indirectly - from the colonization, then from the industrial revolutions. Their society was changed earlier by the Enlightenment then the "East" and their capitalism wasn't interrupted by communism. They rode a well fed horse - instead our skin and bone one - which resulted in a cushy life and ultimately in a different world view.

Btw I've no idea how fugging Iceland can have such high GDP/capita and HDI and whatever. Do they have their own Silicon Valley hidden somewhere? Just because their geothermal energy give them basically free power and heat this is possible. They have nothing else but fish, and aluminum. I bet their fucking banks give them free money.

Don't worry be happy, I got this, just replying takes some tiem.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:02:09 [Preview] No.18965 del
*this isn't possible

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:04:22 [Preview] No.18966 del
I have a question. Did any scholar before the 19th century use the term "western"?

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:10:52 [Preview] No.18967 del
I don't have a dim purple idea about that. It does sound to me as a modern invention.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:16:10 [Preview] No.18968 del
Yes, a modern invention; probably coined during the Enlightenment. I would suspect though that North Africa being cut off from Western Europe for so long by the Arabs and Turks is really the only reason why we don't consider North Africa closer to Europe though. Even Eastern Europe really never got cut off from the "west" until the Soviet occupation because of the Austrians.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:55:22 [Preview] No.18970 del
Eastern Europe was always late in everything for various reasons - for example Hungary's middle ages endured to about 1711, the period of the Ottoman Wars not just prevented all progress but proved to be a huge setback - this made a continuously widening gap between the "two" Europe.
Islam was harmful to the Middle East as well. They had their Renaissance but that was just their swan song. Maybe it's too simplistic blaming Islam alone tho.

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 17:16:00 [Preview] No.18972 del
Would it be fine to say that Syria and Phoenicia were culturally Greek before the Muslim invasion?

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 17:40:58 [Preview] No.18974 del
I don't think so. That picture is much more colorful.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 06:04:04 [Preview] No.19413 del
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Speaking about shitty maps, here's one.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 06:46:17 [Preview] No.19414 del
I find this map really annoying also, particularly the "celtic" regions. The very idea NI would want anything to do with SI is a joke, the Welsh hate the Cornish and Scotland hates everyone. The cherry on top is dividing England into it's own separate region, Britain exists for a reason. By their logic you might as well draw a line between southern and northern england too because there is huge divide in politics there.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 07:37:37 [Preview] No.19415 del
What beef does Northern Ireland have with Ireland today?

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 17:35:11 [Preview] No.19420 del
Shitty and hilarious at the same time.
What I really don't like all these maps all over the internet that they don't take into account geography. Rivers and mountains are big dividers, they were in every time and age. As a Hungarian I'm kinda tuned to notice such things.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 18:41:55 [Preview] No.19421 del
That's just lazy.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:14:56 [Preview] No.19422 del
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Missed some spots. Also the eastern border of Eastern Urp isn't clearly defined but that's all right.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:22:47 [Preview] No.19423 del
That's just all of Europe west of the prime meridian. Is eastern Brazil part of western America because of that?

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:23:51 [Preview] No.19424 del
Also, apparently the southern Caucasus including that small chunk of Iran, and Cyprus are part of Europe.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:29:25 [Preview] No.19425 del
And West Asia is to the East of East Asia. It's that simple.

Those countries in Cauca and Cyprus are in Urp.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:32:54 [Preview] No.19426 del
You can see that small piece of Iran just south of the Armenian border. It's considered part of the Caucasus.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:34:09 [Preview] No.19427 del
Last tiem I checked that's Azeri land.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:38:12 [Preview] No.19428 del
Is it really? When did they acquire that?

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:43:09 [Preview] No.19429 del
Feel free to look that up.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 19:55:48 [Preview] No.19430 del
While it isn't so much a conflict between the countries themselves, Northern Ireland still has Unionist vs. Republican riots on a fairly regular basis. Conflicts between Catholic and Protestant communities are still somewhat common too, athough many Irish people in both NI and ROI gave up on the church after all the pedo shit.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 20:04:44 [Preview] No.19431 del
And still no, if only East Thrace is European, then the Caucasus and Cyprus aren't. They're both considered part of Asia, the Caucasus separates Europe and Asia, the north is in Europe, south in Asia.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 20:28:36 [Preview] No.19432 del
The main part of Turkey is in Asia. The main part of 'baijan is in Urp. If Cyprus isn't in Urp then Britain either.

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 20:32:23 [Preview] No.19433 del
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Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 21:29:30 [Preview] No.19436 del
Cyprus is closer to Syria than Europe. It's part of Asia, just culturally Greek. Same with many Greek islands.
Israel and Palestine are now part of Europe, along with Kazakhstan and Siberia???

Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 21:37:09 [Preview] No.19437 del
Russia blobbed into Central Asia.

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Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 22:40:33 [Preview] No.19439 del
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Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 09:17:31 [Preview] No.19441 del
No beef per se but the NI view Ireland as backwards, one I recently spoke to quoted their legislation on abortion. Considering that most of NI and SI aren't very religious at all any more the old conflict is gone but most NI I speak to prefer to be part of Britain. Simply put I can't say for certain but it's still opposed.

Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 09:21:24 [Preview] No.19442 del
Bernd, this is by far the laziest map yet.

Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 14:56:11 [Preview] No.19443 del
You don't know how much wörk I had to put in that 0 longitude.

Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 16:44:35 [Preview] No.19444 del
European country, member state of the Europeon Union.
Member of UEFA.
>Kazakhstan and Siberia
Not my fault the map base doesn't indicate borders of those.

Not bad. But I think the mistake of both your and mine maps is that they don't show Central Europe.

Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 20:15:52 [Preview] No.19445 del
>European country, member state of the Europeon Union.
The European Union, a superstate kickstarted by Kalergi, a half-Austrian half-Japanese man isn't your go-to authority on all things Europe. Cyprus is geographically in Asia; just culturally closer to Europe. Same with many Russian republics being culturally closer to Asia yet in Europe.
>Member of UEFA.
Bullshit. Turkey is a member of the EUFA, yet you don't highlight Asian Turkey.

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Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 19:07:31 [Preview] No.19790 del
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Let me reply with a classic.

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 20:31:06 [Preview] No.19791 del
Is that a parody?

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 21:27:51 [Preview] No.19793 del
I don't even know. It's so ridiculous it just gives me a mental aneurysm.

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 21:41:55 [Preview] No.19794 del
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Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 22:15:11 [Preview] No.19796 del
>el Persia
>el bárbaros
Is that supposed to be broken Spanish?

Bernd 10/06/2018 (Sat) 08:28:16 [Preview] No.19819 del
It is.

Bernd 10/06/2018 (Sat) 10:12:35 [Preview] No.19820 del
where did you find this

Bernd 10/06/2018 (Sat) 15:48:38 [Preview] No.19825 del
I found it on /pol/ a few years back

Bernd 10/06/2018 (Sat) 17:09:37 [Preview] No.19827 del
Oy vey! This is like another /pol/ colonization attempt!

Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 16:18:54 [Preview] No.20001 del
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Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 16:24:50 [Preview] No.20002 del
Bretty gud map, 10/10.
We don't really need those Vlah and Moldovan lands tho. But it seems to miss Kárpátalja, how could that happen?
Also how does one pronounce wpływ?

Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 16:28:42 [Preview] No.20004 del
>But it seems to miss Kárpátalja, how could that happen
I am pretty sure it's there
>Also how does one pronounce wpływ

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Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 16:33:07 [Preview] No.20006 del
I'm listening it on gugli translate it sounds something like fplöiff. Or at least the y is some sound between ö and i.

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 16:24:41 [Preview] No.20026 del

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 16:36:43 [Preview] No.20027 del
>Serbs annexed by Hungarians

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 16:46:19 [Preview] No.20028 del
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Ah, you joined by your own will. There was a referendum and all the dog's ear.

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 17:09:20 [Preview] No.20030 del
How did the Poles manage to get Sweden and all of Russia?

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 17:09:59 [Preview] No.20031 del
How did the Hungarians get Austria?

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 17:19:21 [Preview] No.20033 del
Better yet, how did they get Israel? Is this another retarded "lost tribes" thing?

Bernd 10/13/2018 (Sat) 19:03:37 [Preview] No.20035 del
I guess they only wanted the old Lithuania but they accidentally the whole Russia and the others.

After they elected Kurz they realized he just can't reach their high expectations and they need Orbán. So they gave him citizenship and elected him as perpetual chancellor. Then Orbán with a diabolical maneuver smuggled horse archers into Wien and made a surprise attack on Pozsony. After it's fell the Northern Hungarians saw that they are just Hungarians speaking funny language. The Austrians were so impressed they initiated the restoration of the Dual Monarchy led by House Orbán. Then Orbán made his son, Gáspár the basileos of the Monarchy as they founded their own church as well. The role of the basileos is both religious and lay, he is the heir of the throne and when he rise to that he will unite in himself the person of religious leader and emperor. Ofc Viktor won't die he only retreats to rest in the hills of Pilis and he will rise when need be.

Bernd 10/14/2018 (Sun) 19:28:53 [Preview] No.20049 del
That's the Polish-Lithuanian-Hungarian commonwealth, is it?

Bernd 10/14/2018 (Sun) 20:52:47 [Preview] No.20051 del
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Bernd 10/15/2018 (Mon) 05:34:25 [Preview] No.20052 del
According to the legend that's just a personal union between Hungary and Poland.

Bernd 10/15/2018 (Mon) 06:37:10 [Preview] No.20054 del
*unzips dick*
Porn doesn't have to be realistic.

Bernd 10/15/2018 (Mon) 14:46:44 [Preview] No.20062 del
I actually laughed at this one wew
akshually it says "Wielkopolska" which is region of Poland meaning literally "Greater Poland"
either someone who made this map is from that region and dreams of his region superiority of other poles too or someone just mixed wrong words

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 15:02:28 [Preview] No.20352 del
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I can GUARANTEE an American made this.

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 16:13:14 [Preview] No.20355 del
>Principality of Sealand

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 16:48:04 [Preview] No.20362 del
Nah, an Murrican would have drawn square straight borders.
Is that the fag flag on the right?

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 19:29:10 [Preview] No.20367 del
Lol. Actually, that's funny map. Author is surely a person with good sense of humor. Names, placing, everything is perfect.

Turkey & Ottomans, New Kaliningrad, Macedonia, Slovako-Czechia (lol), that caliphate at Balkans, Lithuania without eastern land, Deutschland in Balears etc.

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 19:43:02 [Preview] No.20369 del
there was similar map with various roman empires around, like western eastern roman empire, eastern eastern roman empire etc. someone post pls

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 19:53:39 [Preview] No.20370 del
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I thought it's in this thread. But it isn't. Also find another good one.

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 20:07:58 [Preview] No.20371 del
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I think I'm having a heart attack

Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 12:36:10 [Preview] No.20379 del
>""""""""""Holy"""""""""" """"""""""Roman"""""""""" """"""""""Empire""""""""""

Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 12:54:07 [Preview] No.20380 del
Technically, at the start, it was Holy (Emperors were crowned by the Pope, it contained the Catholic Church), Roman (Rome and Italy was a major part of the empire), and an Empire (basically an empire that included the crowns of Germany, Bohemia, Italy, and Burgundy).

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 14:15:31 [Preview] No.20597 del
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Likely either from an American who knows nothing about the Middle East, a Jew, or the Lebanese/Iranian diaspora.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 17:09:15 [Preview] No.20603 del
Someone who is really fond of historical names. And hate Türk people.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 18:08:47 [Preview] No.20605 del
>Someone who is really fond of historical names
Then he'd use Judaea for Israel, considering literally everything else on the map (except Kurdistan) are Greek names.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 18:58:52 [Preview] No.20606 del
You might be right. Maybe he wasn't aware. Judaea wouldn't be Latin?

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 20:48:21 [Preview] No.20608 del
"Judaea" is Latin, but it comes from the Greek "Ioudaía".

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 01:40:28 [Preview] No.20612 del
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>there will never be a modern Assyrian state

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 07:30:09 [Preview] No.20617 del
It really just isn't possible like it is with the Kurds. There isn't enough land populated by Assyrians, and there just aren't enough actual Assyrians in Iraq. Also, Syria was always Arab.

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 16:39:26 [Preview] No.20618 del
Isn't it Hebrew?
It kinda confuses me that I read somewhere the first Torah we know about was written in Greek and had to be translated to Hebrew later. I also read somewhere else the reason for this is that when the Torah was copied the Jews had to destroy the old one. But this means we have no direct proofs it really existed in Hebrew we can only say it's reasonable to assume it. But if there wasn't Hebrew than Judea really would could be a Greek name.

Thank god.
It does seem to me that Semites are always just destroy the Middle East and as Europeans are useless nose pickers it's always the steppe people who have to go there and put things into order. Liek when murderous Semites who followed Muhammad made a mess there and the Mongols had to come and whoop their asses. Or when the murderous Semite Assyrians butchered everyone on a whim then the Scythians had to intervene and put them into their places.

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 22:46:39 [Preview] No.20621 del
>Isn't it Hebrew?
Basically, after Alexander conquered "all of Asia" (literally what they thought back then), they had to start translating shit from Semitic languages into Greek. Basically, Hebrew "Yehuda" which was used for the Tribe of Judah or the former southern kingdom, became in Greek "Ioudaia", and they just started using it to refer to all of the jews (in contrast with the Pagan northern Canaanite tribes who did live in Palestine). It's mostly a Greek thing itself. Similar to Persia (a word of Median origin), also popularised by the Greeks. "Iran" literally is its native name, coming from "Iranshahr", which would mean something similar to "Iranian Rike/Reich".
>when murderous Semites who followed Muhammad made a mess there and the Mongols had to come and whoop their asses
But the Mongols attacked the Khwarezmian Kingdom, who were fellow Turks.
>when the murderous Semite Assyrians butchered everyone on a whim then the Scythians had to intervene and put them into their places
They really didn't do much to the Assyrians. It was the Babylonians who succeeded them, who were taken down by the Persians, who aren't steppe-lings. Cyrus the "Great" even attacked the Scythians several times.

Bernd 11/17/2018 (Sat) 06:19:41 [Preview] No.20622 del
Well, maybe the map was drawn by a Greek then. Who - according to stereotype - hates Turks.
Also Alexander was beaten by the Scythians coz he went to stir shit in the Middle East in his hubris he can rule the World.
Khorezm was Muzzie by that time. And otherwise how could the Mongols reach the Middle East?
The Scythians beat Persians many times coz they stirred shit in the Middle East all the time.

Bernd 11/17/2018 (Sat) 08:47:21 [Preview] No.20624 del
>Also Alexander was beaten by the Scythians coz he went to stir shit in the Middle East in his hubris he can rule the World.
Not really. They basically did the same thing the Icelanders did in Canada. They stayed there for a while fighting some native tribes, and left when they gathered up.
>The Scythians beat Persians many times coz they stirred shit in the Middle East all the time.
Not really, Darius just chased them down until he realised there was nothing to conquer.

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 19:04:19 [Preview] No.20635 del
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Speaking of Persians, I can definitely get along with this. Basically the opposite of the last image, except they still hate Turks, and it's still probably made by an American who thinks he's an expert on "BIDDLE EASDERN BOLIDIGS :DDD"

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 19:05:07 [Preview] No.20636 del
Also, Greater Kazakhstan.

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 19:15:44 [Preview] No.20637 del
What's that ninja state in the middle?

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 19:25:36 [Preview] No.20638 del
Greater Syria. That's the flag of the SSNP party.

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 19:27:38 [Preview] No.20639 del
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Well, SSN party rather, Syrian Social Nationalist Party. Basically, they're a Third Positionist Party in Syria that wants to unite the Levant and Mesopotamia, kinda like the Babylonian Empire.

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 20:06:54 [Preview] No.20640 del
Ah. Why is their logo a shuriken?

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 20:22:15 [Preview] No.20641 del
<The party's emblem is the whirlwind (in Arabic Zawba'a زوبعة). It was designed by the SSNP students at the American University of Beirut while the party was still clandestine and before the French authorities had uncovered it in 1936. Saadeh stated the whirlwind was found engraved on ancient Syrian artifacts, and it is known from for example Sumerian art.
<Each arm symbolizes one of the four virtues of the party's mission: freedom, duty, discipline and power.
<According to SSNP lore, the black color symbolizes the Dark Ages of Ottoman rule, colonialism, sectarian division, national division, and backwardness. The "Zawba'a" allegedly represents the blood of the SSNP martyrs bound together as Muslims and Christians through freedom, duty, discipline and power as a hurricane to purge the Dark Ages and spark their nation's rejuvenation and renaissance.

Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 22:58:00 [Preview] No.20642 del
>Syria was always Arab.
Enlighten me on this. Arab tribal confederations lived in the Syrian desert for many centuries before Islam, but coastal populations didn't even speak Arabic.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 06:08:09 [Preview] No.20645 del
>it is known from for example Sumerian art.
I'm not sure about that. But can be created with that wedge-shape the cuneiforms consist of.
>four virtues ... : freedom, duty, discipline and power.
Since when fukkin power is a virtue?
Otherwise it's kinda noble with all the other was written but it's always a job to write nice things. Not many group can be successful with such marketing that tries to paint themselves as evil bastards.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 16:16:25 [Preview] No.20647 del
It occurred to me the they might used power as in strength.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 18:49:59 [Preview] No.20652 del
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>we could've controlled the world if Hardrada won at Stanford Bridge

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 19:28:44 [Preview] No.20653 del
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But you won Hastings.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 19:34:55 [Preview] No.20654 del
Who at the time were Francophones that likely had nothing left of their Norse descent, aside from legends, like for example, words of Greenland and Iceland in Sicily.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 19:42:23 [Preview] No.20655 del
Nothing can be perfect, don't be salty. Tell us about Karl den Store the famous Danish Emperor instead.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 20:17:39 [Preview] No.20656 del

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Three-quarter of it is sure right.

Browsed the Atlas of Prejudice maps what some people find annoying others amusing. Not sure what data the creator uses. For those maps where he shows the prejudices of nations I can imagine he makes some research, maybe looks for google search keywords or something, but in the case of maps like picrel, he probably just make shit up. Would be interesting tho looking into articles for example, interviews and such that these politicians (I saw Trump and Marine Le Pen maps too) what said about different countries at one point or another.

I approve.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 20:51:45 [Preview] No.20659 del
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Here's Netanyahu's list of sovereign allies, enemies, and in-betweens. Basically, level of hasbara.
>Blue = fully allies
>Light blue = allies that pissed them off
>Red = relations improved recently
>Black = enemies

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 20:53:58 [Preview] No.20660 del
Green = neutral, Saudi Arabia as we know is put on this because they're on good terms in private, but neutral in public.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 20:54:48 [Preview] No.20661 del
What did Ireland do?

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 21:04:55 [Preview] No.20662 del
Basically, they don't bow down completely to Israel regarding the conflict in Palestine like the rest of Western Europe.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 21:06:48 [Preview] No.20663 del
Wonder other political blocs of Israel think about the world. Even the nationalist parties are very diverse there I can imagine that while one could think a country as an ally the other might see an enemy of them.

Bernd 11/19/2018 (Mon) 21:58:19 [Preview] No.20664 del
That map is outdated. With our change in government we're now greatest ally-tier.

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Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 12:05:18 [Preview] No.20734 del
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That's a bretty gud map actually.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 15:17:12 [Preview] No.20738 del
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There's this one conspiracy theory that says Finland doesn't exist, and is a coverup for a Japanese fishing colony, and that all Finns just live in northern Sweden. There's a similar thing with Australia as well.

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I always wondered why are there two Wiens on that map. But I noticed there are two Slovenias on the other so it might not be unprecedented.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 17:16:34 [Preview] No.20743 del
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Here's one for a change. Fresh from the 30s.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 17:18:09 [Preview] No.20744 del
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>two Wiens on that map
If you look really close at the Baltic sea, it looks like a man on a horse pointing his pistol at Russia.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 18:04:41 [Preview] No.20745 del
I know that. That's the great German We Wuz map.

Not sure I see it. The Gulf of Riga is the head of the horse?

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 18:41:59 [Preview] No.20746 del
>> 18124
thrash people create thrash maps what did you expect?

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 18:45:56 [Preview] No.20747 del
Hello Türkiye. Welcome to /kc/. Feel free the browse other threads, use the Catalog.
One remark: pls be a little more constructive when your post here, we don't need Ernst level of "goodposting" but still. I agree tho, any retard can make a map ofc.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 18:55:16 [Preview] No.20749 del
I understand what you mean, give some time I'll lurk and adapt. Thank you

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 19:02:14 [Preview] No.20750 del
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Good. Lurk at your leisure.
This is a slow board, from a few to a dozen posts per day. We like serious discussions but a little funposting here and there is welcomed too. We have a cool BO and freedom of speech, very little regulations. Mostly it's done by me telling to someone insufferable or obvious troll that I won't reply... as you'll find out I'm the most active poster for now. I'll like to see people with different opinions posting here but without the unnecessary flame wars. Disagreeing and arguing is fine.
All right, lurk in peace, I hope the other regular Bernds will show up too eventually.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 19:45:21 [Preview] No.20751 del
Yes. The Gulf of Finland is the arm and the gun, and the Gulf of Bothnia is the upper-body.

Bernd 01/13/2019 (Sun) 21:17:26 [Preview] No.22336 del
Now that made me wonder. If in Belarus Bel(a) means white and Rus means Russian', then what is gium'' in Belgium? White what?

Bernd 01/13/2019 (Sun) 21:18:09 [Preview] No.22337 del
Heh, I really fucked up the formatting there I see.

Bernd 01/13/2019 (Sun) 21:28:12 [Preview] No.22338 del
It was inhabited by belgae tribe during roman times next to batavii tribe if I recall correctly. -ium must be something latin, probably same thing in latium.

Bernd 01/13/2019 (Sun) 21:50:15 [Preview] No.22339 del
So. What's gae?

Bernd 01/13/2019 (Sun) 23:36:41 [Preview] No.22343 del
From what I understand there is no gae. Their name is belgae, just like latium, the -in part of the word latin falls away, I assume in this word that's the case.

That's just my head canon though.

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 06:26:14 [Preview] No.22345 del
Actually gae makes sense. It's Gael. Don't mistake it with Gael, it's just a Belgian form of Gaul. So they are White Gauls.

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 09:51:26 [Preview] No.22348 del
I didnt think it was seperate like bel-gae.

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 16:27:19 [Preview] No.22351 del
It would make sense in relation to that map.

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 17:08:25 [Preview] No.22355 del
The "Bel" in Belgium isn't "white". It likely derives from this here:
It's something that would make sense, considering the Belgae were mixed Celt-Germanic.

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 17:19:32 [Preview] No.22359 del
I don't believe you guys. My version is much better.

Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 07:20:26 [Preview] No.22931 del
Why is Canada so big?

Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 14:53:49 [Preview] No.22933 del
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Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 16:22:57 [Preview] No.22939 del
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>straight lines for borders
Every time

Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 16:56:10 [Preview] No.22940 del
Because all that pines and firs and birches are need to be stored somewhere, Siberia run out of space.

Yeah, that would be preferable.

Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:47:23 [Preview] No.22957 del
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This was a real proposal for reorganizing France's administrative divisions after the Revolution.

Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:57:29 [Preview] No.22958 del
Revolutionary ideas not necessary good ones.
The Soviet leadership wanted a law to regulate the number of coitus over different soil types. Tho this rooted more in the authoritarian nature of the Soviet and it's thirst to control everything.

Bernd 02/05/2019 (Tue) 00:23:47 [Preview] No.23017 del
The départment system adopted at the time isn't much different, following the same spirit while ironing out the grid map's disadvantages (size inconsistencies on borders and coasts, districts straddling mountain ranges).
The Ancien Régime's administrative layout was a patchwork of fiefdoms of wildly varying sizes and a number of enclaves and exclaves. It evolved organically over the course of centuries not from border-setting for its own sake but by unrelated political interactions, and preserved ancient feudal borders and real historical and cultural regions. The provinces had different levels of autonomy, different taxes (creating serious issues with smuggling), different legal systems and so on. Part of the French Basque country was even still considered part of the Kingdom of Navarre and not the Kingdom of France proper.
By contrast, the départments arose by will and reason -a group of people believed administrative divisions should follow a certain logic, applied that logic to redraw the map and then made it real by decree. They split France into geographically named regions of equal size and cohesive borders (no enclaves). This is convenient for a number of reasons: citizens can access government services at a closer local capital, bureaucrats and researchers can assess data by region more easily and so on. Most countries have reformed their administrative divisions in a similar manner (with variations due to population density and centralization level) because of its inherent advantages.

Administrative remapping was tied to a number of other reforms turning France into a centralized, uniform polity. Together with the Third Republic's educational system a century later, this had the side effect of wiping out regional dialects and weakening local cultures and identities. Some of this was just due to technocrats ignoring the human costs of their efficiency-maximizing efforts, but a lot of it was deliberate and based on an ideology of centralization.

This ideology, of course, is made blatantly explicit by the grid map I posted.

>The Soviet leadership wanted a law to regulate the number of coitus over different soil types.
Tell me more about this.

Bernd 02/05/2019 (Tue) 00:39:12 [Preview] No.23018 del
The Boomer is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Boomer and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out"

Bernd 02/05/2019 (Tue) 05:05:43 [Preview] No.23022 del
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Simple interactive map of Russian borders from 1462 to 2018: https://map.runivers.ru/?year=1462

Early borders are somewhat debatable though, but overall it looks ok.

Bernd 02/05/2019 (Tue) 06:31:43 [Preview] No.23025 del
Don't worry recent borders are also debatable.

Bernd 02/05/2019 (Tue) 20:17:01 [Preview] No.23034 del
Oh I remember that one.
Hungary is very progressive, we're doing that since 11th century.

>Tell me more about this.
I dunno man, it's just some random piece of memory I have from an oldish article.
Anyway, real authoritarianism wants to regulate everything and our bowel movements.

Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 12:28:07 [Preview] No.23056 del
Did they really have any control over Finnmark and parts of the Gulf of Bothnia?

Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 16:16:54 [Preview] No.23057 del
I think it's the area the church in Novgorod claimed to itself. It's like when explorers went to the new world and claimed the whole thing for whatever country they come from despite they didn't even know how much land the whole thing is.
Or before the first Hungarian archdiocese was set up some Germ one tried to claim the suzerainty for itself. They could on paper but it had no practical effect, not de jure nor de facto.

Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 17:05:48 [Preview] No.23059 del
And actually that's a neat map in it's concept.

Bernd 02/08/2019 (Fri) 07:34:20 [Preview] No.23073 del
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That color (light green/teal or such) marks tributary territories. About Finnmark it says that it was shared tribute area between Russia and Norway, i.e. both countries "owned" it. Really it was disputed territory that had no full control from both sides, so locals payed tribute to someone depending on situation.

Novgorodians had a fortress at Oulu river for example, Sweden built one too, then Novgorod tried to seize it but failed etc.

>It has also been suggested that the treaty would have originally given both Sweden and Novgorod joint rights to northern Ostrobothnia and Lappland.[9]

Bernd 02/09/2019 (Sat) 07:33:33 [Preview] No.23078 del
Yeah, basically noone knew the extent of the land they just claimed it for themselves, and liek racketeers extorted goods from the locals time to times. I wonder if a census left about the tax they collected. What type of commodities they gathered - fur, timber, fish, meat, I dunno - and how much.

Bernd 02/09/2019 (Sat) 07:35:10 [Preview] No.23079 del
Oh and how frequently. Because go there once and return barely survived isn't really count as a conquest or sumtin.

Bernd 02/10/2019 (Sun) 18:33:53 [Preview] No.23116 del
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There are some documents about Finnmark, Lapland and taxes, but information is scarce. Main commodities were furs and fish.

Here is some interesting text about context of that peace treaty (in Russian): http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Skandinav/Norwegen/Dog_Novg_Norveg/text.phtml

Another text about Kola peninsula and Saami from 19th century (in Russian too, also in old form so maybe google translate wouldn't help): http://qwercus.narod.ru/ozeretskovsky_NYa_1804.htm

Bernd 02/12/2019 (Tue) 16:53:37 [Preview] No.23153 del
Thanks will, browse them. I see the first one is a little outdated ("imbued with the spirit of bourgeois nationalism" - kek), but will work what's given.

Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 10:55:15 [Preview] No.23228 del
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Mapchart is great, but it frustrates me both how each region has a detailed view but not the entire world, and that so few people use the detailed view on say europe to try and as perfectly as possible craft out their vision.
I made some based on when I was reading the first hyperwar threads

Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 13:34:59 [Preview] No.23232 del
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>Old Israel
>Kang Empire
>Sheid Proto Kangdom
>Melanoid Kingdom

Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 16:20:12 [Preview] No.23242 del
Good job.
They made hyperwar threads?

Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 23:37:52 [Preview] No.23263 del
I think Old Israel came from the Mormon idea of the old church being in south america
The hyperwar idea started on irc then spread to several /his/ threads, yes.

Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 07:14:37 [Preview] No.23265 del
Found pastebin with links:
Also came across something I'd call an attempt to write an introduction:

Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 07:57:36 [Preview] No.23266 del
I mean links to archives of /his/ threads.

Bernd 03/10/2019 (Sun) 04:33:05 [Preview] No.23653 del
This is gold. Huéscar in Spain may be a reference to this:
>Between 1809 and 1981, Huéscar was technically at war with Denmark, as a result of the Napoleonic wars over Spain, where Denmark supported the French Empire. This official declaration of war was forgotten until it was discovered by a local historian in 1981, followed by the signing of a peace treaty on 11 November 1981 by the city mayor and the Ambassador of Denmark. Not a single shot was fired during the 172 years of war, and nobody was killed or injured.[3][4]

Bernd 03/10/2019 (Sun) 07:27:19 [Preview] No.23654 del
My head hurts.

It's funny ofc. But does that count? Every other settlement of Spain had to make peace individually? Was Huéscar a sovereign power making decisions herself?

Bernd 03/10/2019 (Sun) 14:59:03 [Preview] No.23660 del
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Reminds me of this:

Bernd 03/10/2019 (Sun) 15:04:36 [Preview] No.23661 del
I've heard of that before. There's also this but for Holland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_and_Thirty_Five_Years%27_War

Bernd 03/10/2019 (Sun) 16:46:24 [Preview] No.23662 del
There was a few extremely long wars. They were discussed briefly before I believe.

Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 01:00:57 [Preview] No.23665 del
>My head hurts.
It gets worse the more you look into the details. It's fractal autism.

>It's funny ofc. But does that count? Every other settlement of Spain had to make peace individually? Was Huéscar a sovereign power making decisions herself?
Municipalities have no authority to decide on such matters, and every single other city accordingly made no declaration of war of its own. But Huéscar's town council somehow agreed to formally declare war, and that was passed into law. Besides having no de facto impact, the council was overstepping its bounds and its decision could probably be questioned and brought down on courts. But nobody cared and the issue was simply forgotten.

>Andorra vs. German Empire, 1914-1958
>Andorra was not invited to the Paris Peace Conference.
Nobody remembered about little Andorra.

Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 06:16:56 [Preview] No.23666 del
>Maarten Harpertszoon Tromp
>Doonald Tromp
I definitely remember this one.
>The Dutch ambassador joked that it must have been harrowing to the Scillonians "to know we could have attacked at any moment."
Scillians should have demanded reparation for the emotional terror these centuries caused to them.

>Andorra vs. German Empire
Isn't versus Central Powers? After Austria could have a piece of Hungary too. Frankly I would rather see Transylvania goes to them than Romania.
>Nobody remembered about little Andorra.
And her brave mothers who worriedly watch their poor sons everyday not going to war and risking their lives.

Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 09:38:16 [Preview] No.23667 del
>Frankly I would rather see Transylvania goes to them than Romania.
Restore the Austro-Hungarian Empire, this time conquer and annex Serbia and the rest of Romania too

Bernd 03/16/2019 (Sat) 11:26:15 [Preview] No.23765 del
Israel don't look so bad from where I stand. hmmmm

Bernd 03/17/2019 (Sun) 14:17:58 [Preview] No.23817 del
And where do you stand?

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Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 19:32:09 [Preview] No.23848 del
What the fug is going on here?

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 19:44:31 [Preview] No.23849 del
Hehh, I wanted to ask this too. Doesn't make sense. I see whoever made this map doesn't like us for sure.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 01:07:48 [Preview] No.23863 del
we should unify against black&yellow orc army.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 12:44:33 [Preview] No.23876 del
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Seems like a quasi-dystopian future projection of European empires vs. evil empire vs. small island evil empire. It'd probably make for some interesting fiction novels.

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 00:58:35 [Preview] No.24284 del
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Some of the "ideal europes" and "ideal worlds" you find on imageboard archives are fucking horrendous

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 01:00:28 [Preview] No.24285 del
this was on 4chan /pol/ by the way

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 11:03:14 [Preview] No.24299 del
then why did you post that garbage?

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 12:52:28 [Preview] No.24304 del
you mean swedes

also swedes created russia

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 13:38:51 [Preview] No.24307 del
>based Kim now rules the entire Corean peninsula
Well this is a shitty maps thread after all.

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 15:17:09 [Preview] No.24310 del
My first reaction was: "nice" place to get material to post. Then I remembered this: >>24307
>Well this is a shitty maps thread
So actually that really is a nice place.

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 15:22:45 [Preview] No.24311 del
>European Imperium
I hate these empire building/dreaming faggots. Can't they just leave us alone?

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 15:56:53 [Preview] No.24316 del
Wrong. It was the Mongols.

Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 17:30:24 [Preview] No.24319 del

The scholarly consensus [1] is that Rus' people originated in what is currently coastal Middle Sweden around the eighth century and that their name has the same origin as Roslagen in Sweden (with the older name being Roden).

Bernd 04/05/2019 (Fri) 05:33:17 [Preview] No.24360 del
Yes I know that tale.
And their activity was resulted in a bunch of small quarreling principalities I'm not saying it was better than Russia, probably it was the other way around. The Mongols were the ones who give way the rise of Moscow, they gave them the ideal of the state, the imperium, the ways of ruling. Even the Khan was the first whom those people called Tsar. The activity of the Mongols resulted in the emergence of Russia.

Bernd 04/05/2019 (Fri) 07:15:47 [Preview] No.24362 del
They just split Russia into Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

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Rus people aren't really main part of Russians, they were just small ruling class + some bunch of nordic colonists in north. It is even shown in Russian language, where there are "русы" (Rus people) and "русские" (Russians, technically word formed as adjective, i.e. may be understanded as "related to Rus people" or even "belong to Rus people").

Although of course we wuz vikings

What if the World's Language Families Became Separate Countries? Bernd 04/06/2019 (Sat) 18:39:41 [Preview] No.24453 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Fnz4J3NjTk [Embed]

very kc tier

Bernd 04/07/2019 (Sun) 10:24:39 [Preview] No.24487 del
truly Aryan

Bernd 04/07/2019 (Sun) 12:46:21 [Preview] No.24489 del
I can rationalize that video as "let's look at the spread of different language families, what languages where belongs to which, and add the numbers of the speakers" because as countries they aren't viable in any way. Languages ofc divide us, no sense combine together Finland and Hungary, the distance between our languages is hueg. But no sense putting Poles and Russians together, their languages - as part of their identity - are separating them, despite the close distance of the two, just as surely as us and the Finns.

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Bernd 04/08/2019 (Mon) 14:44:08 [Preview] No.24534 del
Which side did Constantinople land?

Bernd 04/08/2019 (Mon) 16:31:17 [Preview] No.24546 del

Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 22:36:47 [Preview] No.24939 del
Imagine albania actually doing something and succeeds at it

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Bernd 05/07/2019 (Tue) 05:41:33 [Preview] No.25651 del
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And vidya maps in general.

Bernd 05/08/2019 (Wed) 00:33:43 [Preview] No.25673 del
Is this non-Grand Strategy? Anything outside that genre tends to be lax and imprecise with regards to borders and locations.

Bernd 05/08/2019 (Wed) 03:18:32 [Preview] No.25676 del
I have an aversion to that channel, its very black and white in regards to most things. But its pandering to the proletariat I guess.

Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 17:14:55 [Preview] No.25712 del
It was in a video someone linked - I think Swebernd, and about Alexander.

Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 21:31:10 [Preview] No.28193 del
I'm late here, what's up?

Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 23:39:19 [Preview] No.28194 del
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>But its pandering to the proletariat I guess.

Bernd 07/25/2019 (Thu) 05:33:43 [Preview] No.28198 del
Hello. Post shitty maps ITT, as OP said.

There's a video in another thread, Swebernd posted, not sure in which, maybe the battles.

sage Bernd 07/25/2019 (Thu) 10:28:17 [Preview] No.28200 del
Don't forget hungypsians having the borders of northern transylvania badly drawn by gitler and mussolini in ww2.

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Bernd 10/06/2019 (Sun) 14:46:00 [Preview] No.29508 del
Huh, seems both conceptual and random at the same time. I wonder how the maker justified his countries.

Bernd 11/27/2019 (Wed) 04:09:44 [Preview] No.32658 del
im guessing its just your standard teen who thinks he knows shit about ethnic groups, drawing up a shitpost in his sparetime

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 12:18:18 [Preview] No.33496 del
To quote one of my highly esteemed colleague:
Holy shit!

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 12:18:47 [Preview] No.33497 del
Forgot the map.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 12:22:31 [Preview] No.33498 del
Okey, third time's the charm.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 12:35:49 [Preview] No.33499 del
What if this is real history and that "Aldovia", "Belgravia", and "Penglia" were real empires (note everything else in the image is real history), and that the entire idea of Slavic tribes in the region and the "Austrian empire" was just a massive hoax? Just like Australia and the female orgasm. In-fact, what if Slavs in general are a hoax? Do you actually believe Sarmatians stopped existing and were replaced by these Slavic tribes, that all randomly appeared in the 7th century?

Bernd 03/26/2020 (Thu) 12:08:46 [Preview] No.35443 del
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mapchart got updated - now the world has detailed view too! bosting my shiddy mabs

Bernd 03/26/2020 (Thu) 17:10:57 [Preview] No.35454 del
Ah, the ten-year long siege of Finnish Benin by Karaboga II's kangdom. One of the forgotten tragedies of the Hyperwar.

Bernd 04/07/2020 (Tue) 17:31:24 [Preview] No.35708 del
So what would you do with Czech people after Germans took Bohemia and Moravia back? Kill them all? Expel them to Russia? Just curious. There aren't many options left, since they would have no country to live in anymore.

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Oh I saved something for this thread.

Bernd 04/08/2020 (Wed) 04:44:50 [Preview] No.35718 del
This makes a lot of sense except for the Balkans and Baltic, and Spain/Portugal, and Iceland.
>Austria is Tibet
>Switzerland is Nepal
>Italy is India
>Croatia is Pakistan

Bernd 04/08/2020 (Wed) 04:45:20 [Preview] No.35719 del
Probably just Germanise them or make them special subjects.

Bernd 04/08/2020 (Wed) 05:40:06 [Preview] No.35720 del
I think Austria is Tibet because it's part of China, how it is contested if Austria is part of Germany or not.
Croatia-Bosnia is Serbia probably due to the current happenings in Paki and Afghanistan.
Also their relative geographical position should also be considered.
Italy is India, because India looks like a peninsula of Asia, both has Islands, and both full of brown people, northerners think themselves as "whites".

Bernd 04/08/2020 (Wed) 07:36:30 [Preview] No.35721 del
I'm saying it's accurate.

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Russia is Russia in Europe and Asia.

Bernd 04/08/2020 (Wed) 12:40:24 [Preview] No.35724 del
Oh, you question the Balkans, Baltic, Spain, Portugal and Iceland. The greentext were accurate. Ok.

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Bernd 04/10/2020 (Fri) 16:44:40 [Preview] No.35812 del
That's funny as fugg.
Everything has short names, except...
Not Ugria, but
>Uralic Confederation
Not Barbary, but
>Berber Federation
Not Gaetica (or something liek that), but
>Daco-Thracian EMPIRE

Bernd 04/15/2020 (Wed) 19:03:48 [Preview] No.35949 del
You call everything disgusting, but how about you make your own map and present it to us, so we can judge your autism for a change.

Bernd 04/15/2020 (Wed) 19:45:48 [Preview] No.35951 del
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One of the few excellent EVROPE maps

Bernd 04/15/2020 (Wed) 20:08:56 [Preview] No.35952 del
Somehow he forgot about the Herules of Denmark. Look at that "Britonia" in Galicia; I know Celtic Britons settled northern Spain before the middle ages, and he paid attention to that.
>also Holland includes Zeeland

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 05:23:27 [Preview] No.35964 del
Maybe we could give him directions what the map should display. Well most of these are basically "partition Europe arbitrarily" so that would be a start.

Not bad, although smells sweaty. The creator went to the extreme finding whatever small unit he could just to cut up areas. Some are too far back in history, some existed due to special historical circumstances but would have no basis these days.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 07:23:42 [Preview] No.35966 del
I find it funny that there is a country called "carlismo españa", whit this naming what would nowadays spain's name be? Monarchy Spain heh.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 08:31:53 [Preview] No.35969 del

Some place names are strange. I don't know the intention of author, but maybe he just didn't know how everything is translated and used internet to get knowledge.

Like "Dobrovolcheskaya armiya" (western part of Ukraine). Literally means "Volunteer army", no one would use this as name of any state or state-related entity.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 08:33:29 [Preview] No.35970 del
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Look at this gem:

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 13:27:31 [Preview] No.35975 del
He is inconsistent too. He properly uses Hungarian for Hungarian parts, then comes up with Székely Land, for Székelyföld (means the same, but why use English?).
I fancy Lokot. It's liek fugging West Berlin.

Also Balkans are balkanized to death.

Reminds me of that Ottoman map which shows their Empire in their greatest, and every time it gets posted on Kohl (and previously on KC main) it always gets bigger somehow.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 15:00:41 [Preview] No.35978 del

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 16:14:22 [Preview] No.35979 del
That map fits very well into this thread.
Starting from the area of the Eurasian steppes...
But my real problem is the borders of the Hunnic Empire. For example, on part of the Ottomans, it includes tributaries (e.g. Transylvania), but when the Hunnic Empire comes it doesn't include such tributaries like all the Roman Empires that existed at that moment. Also we have no idea of the northern and eastern extent of the border. So great fantasy map.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 17:15:33 [Preview] No.35980 del
This is actually very relevant. The Huns didn't conquer Denmark (which is why the Danes still existed in their homeland, unlike the non-Swabian/Saxon/Marcomanni Germanic tribes), but the Danes allied with them.

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Here's the real Turanistan.

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 19:13:31 [Preview] No.35982 del
>not including Nunavik
smh my head

Bernd 04/16/2020 (Thu) 20:51:34 [Preview] No.35983 del
I couldn't, Quebec was considered one province.

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 09:17:16 [Preview] No.36072 del
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Blue = ruled by jews or Phoenicians at one point in history
Light blue = ruled by crypto-jews at one point in history

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Shit, wrong image.

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 11:42:42 [Preview] No.36074 del
To think that the Celts used to cover so much of Europe yet now they are relegated to the fringes of an island and an island off of that island. Truly they were the ancient world's punching bag.

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And I am dumb and didn't even post the map...

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 12:42:05 [Preview] No.36076 del
What do you consider crypto-Jews? Because Hungary was ruled by Jews at one point in history (Rákosi era, 1948-53), so it should be blue, but maybe they count as crypto-Jews depending on definition.

And before them those who were "relatives" of the Basques, and all those people who spoke agglutinative languages (on their south western extreme was the Etruscans, on the north eastern the Uralics).

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 13:50:20 [Preview] No.36077 del
Why the Cold War-era map?

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 14:24:30 [Preview] No.36079 del
Any jew that conceals their identity, so I included every single hypotehsis. Remember the hypothesis that the Radzwills and thus Jagiellons were jewish? Obviously bullshit based on poor conjecture, but I included it as well and thus made Poland and Czechia crypto-jewish.
Persia would've had Esther as queen, so I included it as jewish as well.
Because it included Sinai as a part of Israel, though that's dumb now that I think about it.

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 14:52:02 [Preview] No.36080 del
So communist Jews are basically crypto-Jews?

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 15:01:15 [Preview] No.36081 del
Only if they hide their jewish roots. If they just state that they're jews, but are now atheists then that still counts as regular jews ruling.
Did Rákosi hide his jewish roots? Also, fun-fact according to Miles Mathis (where the Radzwill hypothesis also comes from), the Arpads themselves were part-jewish, and the Cumans were actually just jews.

Bernd 04/20/2020 (Mon) 15:49:57 [Preview] No.36084 del
>the Arpads themselves were part-jewish
>Did Rákosi hide his jewish roots?
Well that's a question, not sure I can answer.
There was a five person clique which concentrated all meaningful power in their own hands. All five very Jewish (beside the officer corps of the political police was chiefly Jewish). Even today talking about people's Jewish origin considered as antisemitism around here, they aren't exceptions even tho the information is available. Back then I don't think it was a topic at any level if they were Jews or not, they probably just lived as atheists. I read nothing about if they chose to convert to any Christian denomination at any point their life - probably they weren't they found communism quite early in their lives -, nor about their families - tho their religiousness varied. They were "Moscowites", spent decades there after WWI. They all changed their names to Hungarian however:
Rosenfeld -> Rákosi
Singer -> Gerő
Löwy -> Farkas
Lederer -> Révai
Weinberger -> Vas
But probably not for hide their Jewishness, but to sound more like average people as communists should, the simple children of the people.

Bernd 04/27/2020 (Mon) 17:52:15 [Preview] No.36336 del
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Something I made on my own:
>Gray = Oesterreich
>Green = Westerreich
>Red = Norderreich
>Blue = Süderreich
>Yellow = UKraine
It's about an alternate timeline where Charlemagne was killed by Frankish lords for being a jew and thus the western world was divided.

Bernd 04/27/2020 (Mon) 17:59:56 [Preview] No.36337 del
3/3 legit laffed a little.

Bernd 04/27/2020 (Mon) 18:08:46 [Preview] No.36338 del
Then you haven't yet seen the Westro-Burgundian empire under Cesare Francesco Guelfo. Truly the heir of Rome.

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The Dano-Polish commonwealth.

Bernd 04/30/2020 (Thu) 12:54:45 [Preview] No.36386 del
How would that form.

Bernd 04/30/2020 (Thu) 15:20:49 [Preview] No.36395 del
>Uh hey Poland
>How's it going?
>um yeah, do you like, want to form a union about serious discussions?
>y..you too

like that?

Bernd 04/30/2020 (Thu) 16:00:29 [Preview] No.36399 del
When I overthrow the Glucksborg monarchy and make my own monarchy in-place of it. Since Jesus is officially the king of Poland, and I believe in Jesus, then I can thus claim the Polish "monarchy" or at least claim myself a regent as well, and force the Poles to submit. Since Ukraine is basically 2nd Poland, I'll annex right-bank Ukraine, since Belarus is now becoming pro-western, I'll take all of it too, and I'll claim the Hungarian monarchy as well because Poland and Hungary (and thus Slovakia, Transylvania, Vojvodina and Slavonia) are of course best friends, and besides the current Hungarian "republic" worships the monarchy anyways. Since the Glucksborgs are also technically the same house that rules Norway, my coup will continue onto there, and since they're related to the Habsburgs, Oranges, Hohenzollerns, Saxe-Coburg-Gothas and whatever rules Luxembourg I'll eventually be able to usurp those crowns as well, and I'll just beat the shit out of Sweden, Finland, and the Balts until they submit (particularly, I'll offer Swedish nationalists Swedish parts of Finland, and in-turn I'll offer Finns the all lands until the Urals in compensation). As for the large gypsy population I'll inherit, I'll just send them to Brazil or Israel.

Bernd 04/30/2020 (Thu) 21:19:20 [Preview] No.36408 del
>kc tires post

Bernd 04/30/2020 (Thu) 21:19:59 [Preview] No.36409 del
Seems like too much of a hassle though

Bernd 05/02/2020 (Sat) 06:11:43 [Preview] No.36431 del
Also red-white flags unite.
Sounds like a plan.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 05:07:19 [Preview] No.36496 del
>Also red-white flags unite.


Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 11:40:59 [Preview] No.36501 del
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Something I made

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 12:12:17 [Preview] No.36502 del
Denmark: white cross in red field
Poland: white-red stripes

That is certainly something, I can tell. I'm really enjoying the fact that Andorra isn't in Andorra.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 16:31:16 [Preview] No.36504 del
Include Switzerland, Monaco, and Indonesia too, it has a red/white flag.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 17:33:59 [Preview] No.36505 del
I like it

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 17:42:48 [Preview] No.36506 del
Now that I think about it, Canada also has a red/white flag. It and Japan, and Peru. Some more countries to annex into the Dano-Polish commonwealth.
Also, fun-fact, Danes are also Dacians.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 17:59:38 [Preview] No.36507 del
Lebanon. Although has a tree on it.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 18:11:12 [Preview] No.36508 del
Now that we're in the middle east, we can't forget about Turkey and Georgia, and Tunisia.
Qatar and Bahrain have it too, but is Qatar's really red? If it counts then include it too.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 18:12:42 [Preview] No.36509 del
MALTA too.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 18:32:22 [Preview] No.36510 del
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The Commonwealth as it is now.
Both England and the Isle of Man have it too, so I included them but not Scotland and Ireland. Wales would've been welcome, but it has that green, so too bad for them.
I think Greece would actually make a nice addition, as the Danes also claimed descent from the Dorian Greeks, and the Greek monarchy are also the Danish Glucksborgs. Many kings of Greece were even born in Denmark.

Bernd 05/03/2020 (Sun) 22:42:16 [Preview] No.36513 del
Looks like Russia is creeping in on you Danebernd

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 00:15:07 [Preview] No.36515 del
Finally I can be forced to speak Danish in peace.

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 00:18:49 [Preview] No.36516 del
Nah, the Dano-Polish Commonwealth will easily crush the Russians. Surrounded by all sides, controls the entire western front, and the Turkish straits, Danish Belts, AND Japan meaning the Russian Navy can't even do anything.
Also remember, the Netherlands and England are also a part of the Commonwealth. At that rate, we'd blow up the Kremlin within a few weeks of an invasion.

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 03:15:28 [Preview] No.36517 del
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>Surrounded by all sides, controls the entire western front, and the Turkish straits, Danish Belts, AND Japan meaning the Russian Navy can't even do anything.
Also remember, the Netherlands and England are also a part of the Commonwealth. At that rate, we'd blow up the Kremlin within a few weeks of an invasion.

Are you going to conquer all of planet earth at this point? Is earth going to be called Planet Dane soon?

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 06:18:12 [Preview] No.36525 del
Colonialism is not off-limits, but unless Russian/Chinese/American/Israeli aggression is a threat, jingoism won't be taken so seriously.

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 20:22:14 [Preview] No.36539 del
The new capital of andorra is in the canary isles btw
thenk you anon

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 20:22:44 [Preview] No.36540 del
-I mean bernd

Bernd 05/04/2020 (Mon) 21:20:54 [Preview] No.36542 del
Uh oh. How embarrassing. The shame... Commit sudoku.

Bernd 05/05/2020 (Tue) 18:31:49 [Preview] No.36553 del
bro, we don't use the "A" word around here. Best watch yourself.

Bernd 05/05/2020 (Tue) 20:50:44 [Preview] No.36561 del
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Bernd 05/06/2020 (Wed) 07:25:57 [Preview] No.36573 del
hehe, nice one

Bernd 05/06/2020 (Wed) 08:48:04 [Preview] No.36577 del

Bernd 05/06/2020 (Wed) 19:21:10 [Preview] No.36583 del
1916 shitty or hilarious map

Bernd 05/06/2020 (Wed) 19:53:33 [Preview] No.36585 del
Well, 1916, before the US entered the war, a year later. Is it pre-war propaganda?
What's Japan does there? She was on the side of Entente. Why would she take a chunk from the US?
>no Hungary anywhere
>New Roumania
Another Entente country.
>straits of horror
>gulf of hate
Yeah sounds like they adding on the threatening tone.
Also I'm breddy sure there's a town called Bismarck in the US.

Bernd 05/06/2020 (Wed) 21:23:22 [Preview] No.36588 del
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Bernd 05/07/2020 (Thu) 05:26:10 [Preview] No.36589 del
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That's not nice, anschlussing Austria just like that.

Bernd 05/08/2020 (Fri) 21:23:47 [Preview] No.36613 del
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>Germany apologises after deleting Israel off the map
>Germany has been forced to apologise after erasing Israel off a map published as a part of a military report

I don't think any additional comments are required.

Bernd 05/09/2020 (Sat) 00:16:01 [Preview] No.36614 del
This is about shitty maps, not good maps.

Bernd 05/09/2020 (Sat) 07:21:51 [Preview] No.36618 del
Freudian. Albeit the Haavara Agreement can be considered a pro-Israel move. So this map modification sounds more of a Muslim heritage of New Germans, than Nazi.

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 12:35:45 [Preview] No.36634 del
Every flag makes me think of fascism.. Sure makes me think

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 12:41:20 [Preview] No.36635 del
Yeah, someone could have made a reverse map with commie flags too.

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 12:45:45 [Preview] No.36637 del
Guessing the perpetrator of the crime in the OP had much admiration for fascists but little knowledge of "evropa"

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 12:51:28 [Preview] No.36638 del
Sounds about right.
Feel free to add maps fitting the theme here.

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 14:01:47 [Preview] No.36639 del
Flags are fascist symbols of oppression.

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 17:13:44 [Preview] No.36642 del
Please, serious discussion only here

Bernd 05/10/2020 (Sun) 20:47:45 [Preview] No.36648 del
you want the old union flag back amirite

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 00:40:38 [Preview] No.36653 del

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 04:53:16 [Preview] No.36657 del
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I'm fucking done.

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 05:02:45 [Preview] No.36658 del
Well at least there's no Denmark...
That Ukraine is top notch.
I'm not getting the reference of the Golden Horde Hat.

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 05:16:13 [Preview] No.36661 del
I think it's some stereotype about how people from Provence are rich?
Anyways, Jamtland isn't in Jamtland, and the Serbs rule everything. Also, that tiny East Libya on the border with West Egypt, always good.
Also is the Swede back?

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 05:21:52 [Preview] No.36662 del
>Serbs rule everything
I noticed. That's compelled me to write:
>at least there's no Denmark...
What fair is fair.
There are many curiosities with this map I see.
>Also is the Swede back?
I dunno. When he posted back then, he also posted as Norway I think (there were Norway posts, I'm not entirely sure, that were his). He was also fond of posting longish youtube videos, and that Argentine docu is such.
But there's that guy posting with different ball at every step, so I'm not sure.

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 13:50:45 [Preview] No.36674 del
>Serbs rule everything
Serbia Strong!

But where is Netherlands though?

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 13:54:50 [Preview] No.36675 del
>Also is the Swede back?
Yes, but now Turkeybernd is missing

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 13:58:56 [Preview] No.36676 del
In the nether regions?

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 14:26:23 [Preview] No.36681 del
Sir, delete this extremely offensive and disrespectful post at once. Netherlands is a wonderful and wealthy country visited by people all over the world.

We have windmills, tulips, tropical environments and beautifully statuesque women who are lusted by men all over the world. We are one of the greatest countries in existence and deserve better treatment than this.

Btw we also gave humanity Van Gogh. That's right, the most influential artist in existence comes from my country. The most expensive paintings in the world are under his name. We also singlehandidly defeated the "Kingdom" of Portugal by ourselves multiple times throughout history.

So think twice before disrespecting my country again. ok kiddo

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 14:57:17 [Preview] No.36682 del
The Dutch are a mix of Danes and Germans.

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 15:46:36 [Preview] No.36683 del
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Why focus on the past when we can make the future better?

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 16:11:49 [Preview] No.36684 del
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Only doesn't appease the Czechs.

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 16:44:32 [Preview] No.36685 del
>beautifully statuesque women
Well, if one wants to change the lightbulb they could come in handy.

That's a shitty map, I agree.

But that's a great map, I disagree.

sage Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 18:08:29 [Preview] No.36686 del

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 19:21:00 [Preview] No.36687 del
good, but Dobruja is Bulgar clay

Bernd 05/11/2020 (Mon) 20:01:22 [Preview] No.36689 del
Nay, they need more land in compensation for giving back Transylvania to Hungary.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 05:28:33 [Preview] No.36704 del
How about Slovenia? Is it independent, or part of Italy?

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 14:00:36 [Preview] No.36706 del
Independent. It could be partitioned between Germany/Austria for its Adriatic port, Italy, and Hungary though, but it's simply not as useful or relevant to those states (aside from Germany) aside from its port as Istria/Dalmatia/Slavonia are.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 14:06:02 [Preview] No.36707 del
If that map would restore the old Hungary, than a bit a Slovenia has to be greened in.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 14:11:12 [Preview] No.36708 del
I actually did green in parts of northern Slovenia but since it's so divided into God-knows how many counties, I just couldn't get the job done.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 14:37:42 [Preview] No.36709 del
Oh yeah, I see that. Are those even counties? Maybe municipalities.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 14:40:21 [Preview] No.36710 del
>By a decree in 2000, Slovenia has been divided into 12 statistical regions (NUTS-3 level), which are grouped in two cohesion regions (NUTS-2 level).[1] which replace the historical regions of the country.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 15:55:50 [Preview] No.36714 del
Also is Slovenia the winner of Europe when it comes to territorial gains? Think about it:
>Hungary was destroyed with Trianon with Serbia taking over a bunch of land (including Slovenia)
>Serbia after becoming Yugoslavia takes over Istria and Zara
>Yugoslavia is dissolved, US supports Croatia and Bosnia but more-so Bosnia
>Serbia loses all the land it gained with Allied help and even Kosovo
>Croatia has to give up being a unified country to give Slovenia and Bosnia ports
In comparison, Czechoslovakia lost Carpathian Ruthenia to Ukraine (which in-turn is rapidly losing land), Romania lost Cernăuți, Bessarabia and the Moldavian coast to Ukraine (now Moldova, which itself lost land to Transnistria), and Austria lost Tirol.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 17:22:32 [Preview] No.36715 del
They are the Jews of the Slavs.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 19:34:44 [Preview] No.36716 del
>The Dutch are a mix of Danes and Germans.

I must disagree on you on that subject. I have here a copy of the Dutch haplotype group along at my disposal. I do not see any Danish admixture. I do see genetics shared with Russians, French and Italians.




Really make you think

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 19:36:28 [Preview] No.36717 del
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Here is my crap.

like, rate and subscribe

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 19:44:08 [Preview] No.36718 del
Wait. Isn't the Dutch the ancestor of Germans? I mean the Great Hungarian Emperor, Kara Ulu, who got the name Magnus in baptism, was the ruler of Dutch first.

Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 19:50:09 [Preview] No.36719 del
Doesn't mention Danes. Plus, both the Romanovs and Rurikids were Danish in origin. So inaccurate, the Dutch are Danes.

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 02:23:22 [Preview] No.36720 del
Their language is the same though, they both speak German from the side of their mouth.

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 06:54:26 [Preview] No.36724 del
But since Dutch was separated from German for so long, it's still a barely "standardised" dialect. It's like the "South Jutland dialect" in Denmark (itself a mix of German/Danish). To give an example, here's the Dutch anthem in contemporary German
>Wilhelmus von Nassawe
>bin ich von teutschem blut,
>dem vaterland getrawe
>bleib ich bis in den todt;
>ein printze von Uranien
>bin ich frey unerfehrt,
>den könig von Hispanien
>hab ich allzeit geehrt.
Going by the words used alone (some of which are hardly used in modern Dutch) you can tell the anthem is slightly archaic for today's standards, and that it's clearly being said in some sort of dialect.

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 07:56:07 [Preview] No.36726 del
poltics and nationalism larpers are so cringey

Europa Universalis 3 was one of my favorite games to play 10 years ago but EU4 turned the entire Paradox scene into a bunch of serious faggots

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 15:39:47 [Preview] No.36729 del
h...h.how is my map though guys? It was the first things that showed up on a google search. Just meme-ing with you guys

Well I was actually aiming for the Goths due to the Gothic expansion after Rome fell. idk. Just throwing shit around for my first map

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 15:40:23 [Preview] No.36730 del
>Plus, both the Romanovs and Rurikids were Danish in origin

I thought they were Swedish

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 17:12:23 [Preview] No.36732 del
Therefor they were Jews.

Nationalism is a very good thing.
It allows people to cooperate with others, give to them while get from them, to create stuff together what theirs and serves each, to support each other in need, to shield them from the outside, etc etc.
Nationalism gives the sense of community, and the awareness of responsibility to each other inside that community. It creates the base for equality and liberty to be founded on (nationalism without the same rights and duties for every member is meaningless).
I guess your comment was directed to the OP image, if was, then in a way I agree with you.

Bernd 05/14/2020 (Thu) 17:24:33 [Preview] No.36733 del
Rurik was likely related to Rørik, a Danish jarl who fun-fact, controlled large parts of the Netherlands in the 9th century AD. Romanovs were heavily descended from the Holsteins and Oldenburgs, both Alexander III and Nicholas II's wife were Danish. Peter III (wife of Catherine the Great) was a Holstein who considered Holstein more important than Russia,
Technically Sigismund Vasa was Swedish (or jewish if the Razdiwills and thus Jagiellons were jewish, but at this point he would've been a Swede after all that mixing) so if he actually conquered Russia, Russia would be Swedish.

Bernd 05/15/2020 (Fri) 19:56:53 [Preview] No.36754 del
You learn something new everyday tbh

Bernd 05/15/2020 (Fri) 21:21:37 [Preview] No.36755 del
swedes once again confined to being the most irrelevant scandi

Bernd 05/15/2020 (Fri) 21:42:46 [Preview] No.36757 del
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From Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, that's Norway. Otherwise I would say Iceland.

Bernd 05/16/2020 (Sat) 01:11:44 [Preview] No.36759 del
The Swedish submarine joke is Swedish in origin, not Danish. Otherwise, pretty accurate.
Actually, it's likely that Norway wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Denmark. Native Norwegians mostly died out or moved to Iceland after the middle ages and were replaced by Danish (and Swedish) settlers. Northern and Eastern Norway are actually mostly ethnically Danish, while Bohuslen and Jamtland, two of their core medieval provinces are now Swedish. In-fact, historically Norway never existed, it was a conglomerate of different "Nordic" tribes living in the mountain. There was a Danish tribe and a Swedish tribe (and Goths, Herulii, Cimbrians among other groups) but never a Norwegian tribe, it's just that they became a trading kingdom and united the entire region under a king during the Viking age.

Bernd 05/17/2020 (Sun) 20:41:43 [Preview] No.36804 del
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Back again.

Liek, r8 and SUBSCRIBE pls

Bernd 05/17/2020 (Sun) 21:13:35 [Preview] No.36807 del

Bernd 05/18/2020 (Mon) 16:53:39 [Preview] No.36830 del
A map for the States. Exotic.
What's the reasoning behind the partition?

Bernd 05/18/2020 (Mon) 18:39:06 [Preview] No.36837 del
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T. Hanks

>What's the reasoning behind the partition?

Haha you/we? mentioned America ruled under Hungary once and being rightful Hungarian clay in an old thread. So that's were I got it from

Then I thought, "why not add more nations because fuck it"

Bernd 05/19/2020 (Tue) 16:08:10 [Preview] No.36856 del
>mentioned America ruled under Hungary
Oh, I remember.
How did you decide who gets what? In case of Hungary I guess you by the food and western movies. Dutch I probably understand, New York/Amsterdam. But for example I think Finns live in either Minnesota or Michigan (I think the latter, they have a name they called by).

Bernd 05/19/2020 (Tue) 20:21:25 [Preview] No.36858 del
Minnesotans are Swedes or Norwegians. Michigan has a lot of Germans, Arabs, and blacks.

Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 04:38:00 [Preview] No.36859 del
So you admit it, Norwegians are real.

Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 05:45:05 [Preview] No.36861 del
>Today, the greatest concentration of Finnish Americans is in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, where they form 16% of the population, and are the largest ancestral group in the peninsula's western counties.[7] Finland Calling, a weekly Finnish cultural television program hosted by Carl Pellonpaa, was broadcast on WLUC-TV in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. In March 2015 the program's final episode aired, ending 53 years of weekly broadcasts.[8] Stanton Township, Michigan, is the place in the U.S. with the largest proportion of people with Finnish ancestry, at 47%.[9] Finnish American household income is $70,045

Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 05:46:58 [Preview] No.36862 del
Ah, Yooper!
>The word “Yooper” means several things to the people of Michigan. For one, a Yooper is a colloquial name for someone the Upper Peninsula (derived the acronym “UP”). Yooper is also a linguistic dialect found in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that is heavily influenced by Finnish due to the masses of Finnish immigrants who settled in Copper Country.

Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 18:33:13 [Preview] No.36868 del
>How did you decide who gets what? In case of Hungary
Turkeybernd (RIP tbh) mentioned you kicking ex-Yugoslavia migrants out of a Hungarian owned america in an old thread here. I got inspired out of that

Danish and Swedish conflicts are historically inspired, as well as migration inspired too, hence these posts. Rest is a mix of historical context as well as me just making stuff up

Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 02:57:30 [Preview] No.36869 del
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>Soon getting soon

Also taking requests for this one. Post what you'd like to see

Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 15:09:31 [Preview] No.36873 del

Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 18:58:35 [Preview] No.36875 del
>Nekor was sacked by the Vikings sometime between 859 and 862 AD

Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 19:44:23 [Preview] No.36877 del
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Empire of Oman

Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 20:52:40 [Preview] No.36881 del
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Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 00:06:58 [Preview] No.36885 del
Prestor John was supposed to be a Nestorian Mongolian, not an Ethiopian.

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 02:20:20 [Preview] No.36886 del
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Things are really heating up the berndscramble for Africa

Ancient Hungarians have conquered Egypt, Denmark conquered Morocco(again), Sweden has a new military base in Madagascar. Germany made a new Reich there titled the 9th German Reich in Western Africa.

Even Aboriginals from Australia have a chunk of Africa now. They have just made a massive theocracy under their new sovereign king.

Also Netherlands took control of South Africa again

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 02:21:20 [Preview] No.36887 del
Ahh just saw these two now. Will add them later. Pls give me some time to add them.

Will wait a little to see if anyone else wants to add anything else. Maybe invite bernds from other boards. idk

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 02:57:56 [Preview] No.36890 del
In the interest of reclaiming the ancestral lands of the Kongo kingdom and liberating oppressed Lusophones D. Sebastião lays claim to Guinea-Bissau, Annobón, Cape Verde, Angola, Congo (two Republics, one of them Democratic), Gabon and Cabinda for the Lusotropicalist Fifth Empire.

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 05:49:54 [Preview] No.36892 del
Starting to get in shape, I like that.
Change it to Unna Theocracy. Or better yet ask on >>>/ausneets/ but keep in mind they have the "one active thread" format, so post your question there.

Huh. Soon only patches of white (well, light bluish grey) remain and the great powers will protect jealously their independence from each other.

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 16:54:29 [Preview] No.36899 del
Oh yeah, you should include those too.

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 22:08:30 [Preview] No.36904 del
Just made a post on /ausneets/ for that. Waiting for a response before moving forward with it

Here's the post >>>/ausneets/159487/

>Huh. Soon only patches of white (well, light bluish grey) remain and the great powers will protect jealously their independence from each other.

History repeats itself

Okay I'll add that too

Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 22:15:19 [Preview] No.36905 del
I'm just waiting for them to respond and I'll add it around tomorrow

They seem really enthusiastic for it. That's good :--DDDD

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 06:56:45 [Preview] No.36910 del
Yeah, they are enthusiastic, but lose interest fast, they lack attention span.
They don't seem to care about the name tho.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:09:05 [Preview] No.36912 del
Can I annex Tunisia, Libya, Chad, Mali, and Niger to gain a frontier with the Magyarabs and the Reich?

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:11:50 [Preview] No.36914 del
Roll d10.
Lybia is rightful Magyarab clay! And Tunisia is Palestine.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:29:18 [Preview] No.36915 del
I need Tunisia to protect influence towards Italy!


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:29:34 [Preview] No.36916 del

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:34:59 [Preview] No.36917 del
I've no idea how to roll either

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:37:26 [Preview] No.36918 del
Fuck. How about we partition Libya between the Magyarabs and the Dano-Nekor fiefdom? You take the eastern part with Benghazi, I'll take Tripoli.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:44:15 [Preview] No.36919 del
Rolled 3 = 3 (1d6)


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:45:36 [Preview] No.36922 del
Isn't rolling limited now?

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:49:25 [Preview] No.36923 del
I dunno. It should work with all kinds of dices. Have to figure it out.
Anyway for a roll you have to write dice in the email field. That gives a d6. I kinda remember you had to add a number for a dice with the desired amount of sides like dice(10) but this doesn't work.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:51:03 [Preview] No.36924 del
Rolled 6 = 6 (1d6)


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:51:23 [Preview] No.36925 del

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:59:09 [Preview] No.36926 del
Anyways, preferably Dano-Nekor gets all of Libya, but the eastern half can be given to the Magyarabs if he really wants it, with the western half falling under Danish control. I'll take Cape Verde, Guinea and the Ivory Coast can either fall into my control, or maybe some Australians can found a state there if they really want to. Give the Magyarabs South Sudan and northern Uganda, maybe Rwanda but Australian or Brazilian control might be fine there as well.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 20:46:37 [Preview] No.36930 del
I'm back! Added a bunch of nations to the map. Things are getting pretty crazy right now. Will add it in my next post, but before I do that, lemme try answering this

>Cape Verde, Guinea
Brazil already conquered those territories. Only way to get them is through a treaty, buying it or declaring war on Brazil/Lusitanians. Your choice Denmark

>Ivory Coast
But you can get that country though

Abos already conquered it. Sorry. Same rule applies as above if you want to get it

>Mali, and Niger
Yeah about that
I'll follow up in my next post

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 21:03:09 [Preview] No.36931 del
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The berndscramble for Africa is getting intense.

Lusitanians have created a kingdom in their old African territories and bought Gabon and Equirestial Guinea from The 9th German Reich. Abos have extended their reach and conquered most of the territories surrounding Lake Victoria. They are currently in a all out war against the Lusitanian Kingdom over who gets control over the Congo territories.

Magyarabs and Nekor-Danes have done a treaty with each other over control over Lybia and Tunisia. Let's see what comes of this. Danes have also conquered the Ivory Coast.

Russia decided to vote for Bootain to leave his political office and have reinstated the monarchy again. They now own lands over West Africa under the title of Prestor-Rus Orthodox Tsardom

The Omani people have decided to create a Republic in the West African coast after failing to wrestle control over their old territories in East Africa from the UNNA Theocracy. They are simply too strong tbh. We'll see if the Omani can manage to create a Kingdom/Sultanate in the near future

And in other news, Tito has been resurrected using S-L-A-V-I-C S-C-I-E-N-C-E . He and other ex-Yugoslav countries Slavs have decided to create Yugoslavia again in Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso.

And the Dutch still have control over South Africa, which is ebin X-DDDDD

Ohh and Finland owns Benin now. That's cool I suppose

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 21:14:41 [Preview] No.36932 del
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Just posted this in /ausneets/. Let's see what they think of it


I dunno. Should we make this into our own Risk game? Does anybody else want their country/their request included in the map?

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 22:24:17 [Preview] No.36933 del

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 22:55:10 [Preview] No.36934 del
I demand Togo and St. Helena, in compensation for not being able to take the Mali-Niger region, I want to expand my frontier into Spain. I'll create an alliance with the Magyarabs, who at this point should take Djibouti and the Comoros islands too. If they choose to go to war, I'll defend them.

Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 22:59:19 [Preview] No.36935 del
*once Africa has been fully carved up, you should add Europe and the Middle East into the map as well. I'll take southern Spain, maybe the Magyarabs can expand into the Levant, Abos into Yemen.

Bernd 05/24/2020 (Sun) 03:18:28 [Preview] No.36937 del
Lusotropicalist bandeirantes sail down the Zambezi and secure Zambia, which is Lusitan since time immemorial as evidenced by the Pink Map.

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 16:39:45 [Preview] No.38249 del
I guess the Bornholmers are going to declare jihad.

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 16:57:31 [Preview] No.38251 del
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What a find.

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 17:07:08 [Preview] No.38252 del
What does Cataloniabernd think of his country being involved in this shit?

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 17:08:58 [Preview] No.38253 del
Oh no, the north Jutland separatists are going to declare jihad on us1

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 21:39:07 [Preview] No.38259 del

Can anyone understand what this guy really does on his maps?

It looks hilarious.

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 22:24:14 [Preview] No.38261 del
I'm guessing he just takes ethnic minority groups in each country, claims they'll convert to Islam and wage jihad against the ethnic majority, but then some of them will convert to different types of Islam and go fight those jihadists as well.

Bernd 07/02/2020 (Thu) 17:20:51 [Preview] No.38281 del
Kinda mysterious his way of thinking. For example on the Europe map he differentiate between far left and far right separatists, but he note them with the same color. Why not just call them "separatists"?

Bernd 07/02/2020 (Thu) 17:27:45 [Preview] No.38282 del
Thread got too long. It's bumplocked now.

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 07:56:43 [Preview] No.39008 del
>Südtirol still not included

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