/kc/ - Krautchan

diaspora of krautchan unite

Posting mode: Reply

Check to confirm you're not a robot
Email
Subject
Comment
Password
Drawing x size canvas
File(s)

Remember to follow the rules

Max file size: 100.00 MB

Max files: 4

Max message length: 4096

Manage Board | Moderate Thread

Return | Catalog | Bottom

Expand All Images


(109.44 KB 2000x1659 Brexit-door.jpg)
(23.58 KB 1540x1024 qwop-xit.png)
(354.42 KB 1092x1023 britbong.png)
Politics Serious Discusson - Brexit Edition Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 20:43:13 [Preview] No. 23966
Anything politics.

For those who want to qwop-xit from the EU:
http://qwop.online/
This athlete needs matching colors with picrel.


Bernd 03/22/2019 (Fri) 15:26:34 [Preview] No.23980 del
(78.85 KB 590x568 1494508808204.jpg)
>tfw Brexit delayed by at least 2 weeks


Bernd 03/22/2019 (Fri) 17:20:07 [Preview] No.23983 del
>>23980
It is known?


Bernd 03/23/2019 (Sat) 21:51:17 [Preview] No.24010 del
(21.16 KB 431x231 EPP_2015_logo.png)
(282.11 KB 1920x1080 weber-orbán.jpg)
In the past few years with the migrant crisis on our hands the European People's Party frequently pulled out the idea that the Fidesz should be booted out of it's members. Never went through with it. Now they threatened again, here's the result (in English):
https://index.hu/english/2019/03/21/epp_fidesz_suspension_political_communication_trick_weber_orban_media_ep2019/
Basically Fidesz said they gave up their rights in the Party temporarily also leave the Soros financed Central European University alone. This allowed the EPP not going through with the threat but also can pretend they punished the renitent Fidesz who in return can boast the solution of their problem was theirs.


Bernd 03/23/2019 (Sat) 23:08:30 [Preview] No.24011 del
>>24010
So nothing of importance happens and everyone claims victory. In terms of pure negotiation, this is the perfect deal. Obviously the problem remains and continues to grow but everyone is happy in the short term.
But in all seriousness, what difference does it make if Fidesz is or is not within the EPP?


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 08:14:30 [Preview] No.24013 del
>>24011
>So nothing of importance happens and everyone claims victory. In terms of pure negotiation, this is the perfect deal. Obviously the problem remains and continues to grow but everyone is happy in the short term.
Exactly.
>what difference does it make if Fidesz is or is not within the EPP?
On the practical side I can count one effect of this deal: the opposing Hungarian media (mostly the left-liberals, the right-radical parties and groups have little media influence) can't gloat on how the Fidesz was booted out for it's evil deeds, can't forge political capital from the judgement, and can't simply just tell people: "see how evil the Fidesz, even their best pals condemn their tyranny!"
Hmm, we have an expression: "salami-tactic", which refers to the way how a rod of salami cut into slices. Leftist parties does the same since forever: they see their enemies as a nice piece of salami and they poke at one end and declare: "those guys are fascists!" Then the rest of the salami quickly dissociates themselves from the "fascists" to save themselves of being accused as fascist. The leftists are glad they managed to cut a slice away and see their tactic is working so they poke at the next on the end where they started and declare: "those guys are fascists!" And the process goes on until the whole body of enemies are gulaged and hanged. Divide et impera.
I see they doing this in case of the EPP. Since not just the Hungarian liberal media attacks the Fidesz, but foreign, western ones, they also attack the EPP. They say "Orbán is a fascist" and this looks bad for the EPP, and the EPP knows it. They have to do something but they won't let themselves to salami up.
But back to the practical side, I don't really know what's the deal. The Fidesz had to give up some rights in the party (temporarily) but I can't measure it's weight. Maybe being in the EPP matters because it's the biggest party group in the EU. Juncker, Tusk and Tajani are all EPP members, they held key positions. Maybe it matters on the level of how the EU gibsmedats are distributed, countries led by EPP members might get more if the EPP has major say in the EU's budget? I dunno.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 08:15:12 [Preview] No.24014 del
(56.27 KB 600x415 teliszalami.jpg)
>>24013
Forgot illustration.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 09:21:30 [Preview] No.24016 del
Brexit isn't happening.

Let me tell you what's going to happen and it's been planned from the start:
1) A "no deal" Brexit is denied by politicians. A terrible deal is deliberately made.
2) Voters are given a second referendum between Brexit with terrible deal or no Brexit.
3) Voters basically have to choose between remain or worse economy with still more immigrants. It's win win for the multi-nat powers that control Britain and Europe.
4) The result is so disastrous no other nation offers voters the choice.
5) Average voters are such cattle they won't vote for UKIP or anything other than the main 3-4 parties.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 09:33:29 [Preview] No.24017 del
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-people-party-manfred-weber-how-the-epp-lost-its-way/
>13 national parties demanded the leadership confront Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán over his anti-democratic and anti-Semitic conduct
>anti-Semitic
Since when? How can they be accused with anti-semitism? With both Hungarian Jewish community and Israel Orbán's relation is great, harmonic. Where does this shit come from?

>>24016
Can happen.But I have to ask what do you base this on? Is there news about a second referendum? Not just speculation but has anyone (for example in the Commons) said such thing?


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 11:43:42 [Preview] No.24018 del
>>24017
maybe they are just calling him an ebil naadse, who cares about the meaning of words anyway? orban baad
or maybe some reckless person actually tried to convey the proper meaning of the word, greatest ally notwithstanding, gasp!


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 17:03:48 [Preview] No.24025 del
>>24018
Well yeah, after a while certain words can lose the original meaning and become simple derogatory terms. I don't think it is extended to anti-Arabs as well (Orbán isn't even anti-Arab to be honest) we (as in my family) speculate in this case anti-Semite is a substitute of anti-Soros. The problem with this in no govt. propaganda appears Soros' Jewish background.
Politico is clearly not written for the Hungarian people, it's for Westerners who know nothing about our country and Orbán can be demonized with painting him as an anti-Semite.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 12:56:37 [Preview] No.24038 del
>>24017
>Can happen.But I have to ask what do you base this on? Is there news about a second referendum? Not just speculation but has anyone (for example in the Commons) said such thing?
Nothing. However, I have noticed lots of heel dragging and mentions of taking a 'no deal' Brexit off the table in the news. This combined with Soros dumping lots of money into Best for Britain to try and push a second referendum makes me think, that's the way it's going.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/02/26/As-Brexit-nears-Theresa-May-expected-to-get-no-deal-exit-from-EU-off-table/9351551191579/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615925/May-secretly-wants-Parliament-no-deal-Brexit-table.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/08/best-for-britain-thwart-brexit-george-soros


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 14:14:14 [Preview] No.24039 del
>>24016
>5) Average voters are such cattle they won't vote for UKIP or anything other than the main 3-4 parties.
What choice do they even have? UKIP is a meme without Farage and the only other anti-immigration options I can think of are shitty /pol/tard parties like BNP etc.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 17:13:31 [Preview] No.24040 del
>>24038
The first two articles aren't the freshest, I can't find a date on the Guardian one.
Haha, Corbyn too is such a slimebag. Vote against every deal May tries to put on table then rejects no-deal to put the pressure on, accuse May with incompetency to make a deal and leans back to watch May squirm.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 17:20:05 [Preview] No.24041 del
>>24038
Btw Guardian article:
>Downing Street said it had no qualms about the Soros donations to Best for Britain. “There are many political and campaign groups in this country – that’s entirely right and as you would expect in a democracy,” a spokesman said.
So some foreign dude funding political groups to influence the outcome of an important event in a country he has nothing to do with is totally acceptable in a democracy.
I wonder Athens would have allowed Spartans to have a say in their politics. I'm guessing no.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 20:23:32 [Preview] No.24049 del
Read these two articles:
https://www.politico.eu/article/no-sufficient-support-for-a-third-vote-on-brexit-deal/
https://www.politico.eu/article/philip-hammond-second-brexit-referendum-deserves-to-be-considered/
...and am very smart now.
On one hand for a no-deal Brexit the Commons would have to agree to do so. It won't.
On the other hand for a second referendum the Commons should vote to hold one. Do I remember right and the first one was initiated by the people after a successful signature gathering?
Here: >>24038 the first article says they wanted to vote if they want a no-Brexit deal, however Politico says up for this day no binding decision was made.
Today they also vote on some shit like alternative Brexit deals supposedly at 10pm local time which is now or more precisely they already should have voted. I assume those alternative deals will be also turned down. But the second referendum is also on the table. Exciting.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 22:55:30 [Preview] No.24050 del
Temer has been released after spending less than a week behind bars.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 06:57:45 [Preview] No.24051 del
>>24050
Justice in work I see.

Brexit:
https://www.politico.eu/article/house-of-commons-takes-control-of-brexit-westminster-theresa-may/
So yesterday's vote was about if the Commons want to take over tailoring the deal themselves, and vote on a series of question if they want this or that oooor if they want to push a second referendum. They do this in the next couple of days. Since 29th March is on Friday.
It will also be asked (I expect) if no-deal is on the table but I'm not seeing ensured the reply will be binding, we'll see.
It is also can happen that the Commons can't accept any other deal, then they have to back May's unless they vote for second referendum.
The question of the latter is not a simple one, since even parties are divided, some MP's want Brexit, some not, even the Labour has Brexiteer members. My prediction they will turn down a second plebiscite because while there are Tories who doesn't support Brexit some of them stands beside the first one. Maybe all will insist on keep going instead turning to the people.
Corbyn goes one step further:
>"whether any deal should be put to the people for a confirmatory vote.”
So even the Commons agrees on a deal, now he puts forward the idea even that one has to be approved by the people. Very Democratic. Kek. What a slimebag. Frankly this would fit the bill of obstructionism but he doesn't really says they should do it he just contemplates if they should do it. So basically he doesn't really say anything.
But all this is bullshit anyway. Even if the Commons agrees on an alternative way the EU might not. Most likely not since they had an agreement with May's plan, it was fine, only the Commons didn't accept it. So again, back to May's plan.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 16:05:29 [Preview] No.24053 del
(425.43 KB 668x812 1553217990376.png)
>>24049
>Do I remember right and the first one was initiated by the people after a successful signature gathering?
>by the """"""""""people""""""""""
Pic related, it was rigged by Catholics and penguins.
>while there are Tories who doesn't support Brexit some of them stands beside the first one. Maybe all will insist on keep going instead turning to the people.
Even many of those who don't support Brexit would probably still prefer to honour the result of the first vote. May herself, for example. To me the idea of a second referendum still seems unlikely even with all the chaos happening currently.
>it was fine
People disagreed with her deal because it involved remaining in the single market and customs union for at least another 2 years (possibly indefinitely if no other partnership could be reached) to resolve the Ireland border issue. So we would still be pretty much in the EU while still also having to pay the £39 billion and without any right to vote on the laws they would still be applying to us. The whole reason people voted to leave in the first place was for more control over our laws and borders (especially with regards to immigration) which her deal isn't offering, hence the historic defeat in parliament.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 16:55:54 [Preview] No.24054 del
>>24053
I meant it was fine for the EU.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 02:04:48 [Preview] No.24063 del
>>24054
Yeah of course, but it's worth pointing out why it wasn't fine for pretty much everyone else. I guess the problem we're facing is like >>24016 posted where the choice is between either a shitty deal or no deal (or possibly a second referendum). But it's nothing new, democracy is always about picking the least shit option rather than the best one.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 20:01:34 [Preview] No.24070 del
Politico pumped out a bunch of articles. To sum up: govt rejects a second referendum, Labour too, May gets more support for her solution, voices from EU changing their tune from urging for decision to "let's hear the opinion of those who want to revoke Article 50". Interesting.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 20:29:57 [Preview] No.24071 del
But here's my opinion as Hungarian on Brexit.
For us a successful Brexit with a Britain that's doing all right will be the best outcome. Why? Because then we (and all the Eastern EU countries) would gain a leverage against Fronce and Germany and could hold leaving as a threat if centralization of the EU would rise or against any other chickenshit. It would be a sign that there is life outside EU, an alternative, a passable road. Without such, the more powerful EU members can boss around us.
And in case of a worst case scenario we could still leave the EU and would have partners other than Belorussia and Russia...
So any Hungarian who doesn't support Brexit is in fact working against our country and her sovereignty.


Bernd 03/28/2019 (Thu) 06:26:01 [Preview] No.24073 del
These days are about Brexit.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-uk-house-of-commons-no-majority-for-any-brexit-option/
Some curiosity there - for me at least. So they didn't agree on anything, so May's deal back on the table they'll vote on Monday. But the deadline is tomorrow, so the new deadline entered in effect? But then which one? April 12 or May 22 (haha, is this a joke on the British PM and Catch 22)? I also want to point it out that they didn't vote on a second referendum but a "confirmatory referendum on any Brexit deal" - the two seems quite different. While the first one would suggest to ask the people again if they want the Brexit or not, while the second is about the confirmation of the deal the Commons agrees on, this is what was Corbyn talked about. Do I misunderstand something? Nevertheless they rejected the cancellation of Brexit so there would be no vote referendum on this.
I think the DUP will give in and accept May's deal despite the backstop. I think they just want to play hard to get and elongate the courtship so they can say something that polish their image (and ego)-


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 06:28:08 [Preview] No.24091 del
Still Brexit, they need to accept the "Withdrawal Agreement" so they can leave (?) on 22 May.
https://www.politico.eu/article/house-of-commons-to-vote-on-withdrawal-agreement-friday/
My problem with this whole Brexit thing, that the media just muddles the water and even when they write such articles as "explained" than they just explain the latest buzzwords but leave out other important infos. For example why didn't they told beforehand that the Commons only have to accept this so called Withdrawal Agreement? Well I know, because they wanted to inflate the drama about accepting a deal until today.
All right I don't read constantly politics just try to inform myself so I can post something about a matter when it arises, so I might missed something. Maybe it was told two years ago somewhere I dunno.


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 08:23:32 [Preview] No.24092 del
>>24091
>Commons only have to accept this so called Withdrawal Agreement?
That's honestly the first I've heard of that. Politics is so cloaked!


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 13:43:42 [Preview] No.24097 del
>>24073
>But then which one? April 12 or May 22
May 22nd if May's deal goes through or April 12th if it doesn't. The vote is happening today I think.
sauce: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47663031


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 15:55:13 [Preview] No.24100 del
>>24092
Oh, turns out May's deal is called Withdrawal Agreement...

>>24097
If I remember right the article wrote something what implied the new deadline is in effect. I questioned that one.
Yeah they voted today not long ago I think, I searched for Live broadcast and they are interviewing MPs after the vote. They turned it down. And since they had to agree on a deal by today but they didn't now they have the deadline of April 12.
So they have two weeks to come up with something. But this also can be interpreted as agree on canceling Article 50. Tories very vocal about keep the Brexit going however.
They might will be able to force Labour to accept something because Labour don't want hard Brexit. Or do they? Hard Brexit would surely result a Tory downfall, and excellent opportunity to take over the governing. On the other hand it would be easy to blame them as the ones who didn't accept any deals.
But wait a minute. Originally they should have agreed on a deal for today so the Brexit could be realized. So if they had agreed on something - let's say on May's deal - why the fuck would have given the EU them an extension? Shouldn't the Brexit have gone on is this sentence grammatically correct as planned?

I'm seriously considering I'll only talk about Brexit again if it's really done. Never?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 10:31:59 [Preview] No.24124 del
(499.74 KB 1108x739 erdogan.jpg)
What's up with Turkish elections?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 15:40:35 [Preview] No.24130 del
>>24124
It's just local thing. People give a shit because they're bored and retarded.

Nothing significant will happen.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 15:42:43 [Preview] No.24131 del
(162.03 KB 1140x760 ffraz_abr_2812189318.jpg)
(81.88 KB 840x560 bolsolidéu3.jpg)
Bolsonaro is on a state visit to Greatest Ally


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:06:50 [Preview] No.24139 del
(66.70 KB 707x1000 ukraine.jpg)
Ukraine has elections today. Main candidates are:

1. Zelenskiy - stand-up comedian, actor and media person who came up from nothing and everyone thought it is a joke.
2. Timoshenko. Good old beautiful Yulia again tries to become a president.
3. Poroshenko. You know this guy.
4. Other people who wouldn't be elected.

Funny, but Zelenskiy leads in the polls (~25%), and both others stay at 17%.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:08:09 [Preview] No.24140 del
Oh, I forgot that this thread has no obligatory election song.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:09:08 [Preview] No.24141 del
>>24130
Here local elections are important. They can indicate the changes in the support of the parties. Also local governments lead by the opposition will get less money from the govt.

>>24131
How's that help with the sludge turned out?

>>24139
Oh I wanted to ask about that too.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:33:57 [Preview] No.24144 del
>>24141
here erdoğan holds elections for lulz and shit.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:35:06 [Preview] No.24145 del
>>24141
>How's that help with the sludge turned out?
It was more symbolic than anything, they left after only a few days.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 18:52:19 [Preview] No.24148 del
Communist party got one city in this election. These elections are a fucking joke


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 19:04:41 [Preview] No.24149 del
(13.79 KB 500x500 islamig gommunism.png)


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:25:28 [Preview] No.24155 del
(79.68 KB 1767x697 ukr.png)
>>24139

Here is the results in realtime: https://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vp2019/wp300pt001f01=719.html

They only started calculation though.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:37:05 [Preview] No.24156 del
>>24155
>Zelenskiy
Who's behind him? Putin is hacking Ukrainian election?

>>24149
Kek.

>>24148
Is Turkey objectively that much dictatorship?

>>24145
So what did he do in Israel?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:46:36 [Preview] No.24159 del
>>24156
>So what did he do in Israel?
He'll transfer the embassy open an office with no diplomatic personnel in Jerusalem for commercial and technological contacts. His intellectual and Protestant supporters wanted an embassy transfer but he backed down months ago after pressure from agrarians (who prioritize trade with Arab countries) and the military.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:53:08 [Preview] No.24163 del
>>24159
>commercial and technological contacts
After visiting Langley opening such obviously harmless places beyond suspicion is very suspicious.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:53:41 [Preview] No.24164 del
>>24163
*place


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:57:29 [Preview] No.24165 del
>>24163
As long as he can please Olavo de Carvalho and the Protestants without angering Arabs, it works.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 21:39:35 [Preview] No.24166 del
>>24156
>Who's behind him? Putin is hacking Ukrainian election?

It's hard to say. He is going without proper team and real program, it is somewhat protest vote. His alignment is unclear, because he said different things through the campaign.

Russian media somewhat supports him, although he isn't "pro-russian" candidate like people from east Ukraine. Maybe this is situation like "look, they are so crazy so they'll elect the movie star, also look how they hate evil corrupt Poroshenko". In past Timoshenko was considered a Russian-friendly candidate though.

It looks like small version of Trump campaign, when media got mostly positive news about him and some official people openly cheered when he was elected (and then they discovered that he isn't pro-Russian at all, but it was too late).


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 13:09:31 [Preview] No.24176 del


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 13:11:30 [Preview] No.24177 del
>>24176
Oh dog now I even quoted the wrong post.
>>24174
I might be getting too old for this whole shitposting thing tbh lads.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 15:54:13 [Preview] No.24185 del
>>24166
Well time will tell then. He is a stand-up comedian maybe we'll witness some serious changes.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:03:47 [Preview] No.24189 del
Not an April fool's joke: Britain is still in the EU.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:41:13 [Preview] No.24192 del
(241.64 KB 1920x1080 comrade_corbyn.jpg)
Meanwhile in Turkey. The province of Tunceli is now ruled by the Turkish Communist Party. Slavic, Goulash, German and Vietkong communism all failed, but Islamic communism is the way to go.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:50:48 [Preview] No.24193 del
>>24189
Laughed for some reason.

>>24192
Yes. It's in the thread: >>24148
Fun. Well many Islamic country was backed by the SU when the geopolitical situation demanded it. I wouldn't be surprised if the ideologists didn't created a version of Marxism just for Muslims, maybe they planted the seed and it survived. Or they just made up one by themselves.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:55:41 [Preview] No.24195 del
>>24193
makes me wonder if communism is the perfect model for Mongol tribes. Sharing horses, girls and spreading communism by conquering more territory.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:24:51 [Preview] No.24196 del
Just woke up, what's up with the Brexit votes in Commons?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:37:32 [Preview] No.24198 del
>>24196
They not yet finished.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:52:37 [Preview] No.24199 del
Well what are they doing?

The sky newsfeed states that Bercow has to announce the result...

Wouldn't that be kinda important to do?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:59:20 [Preview] No.24200 del
>>24199
They have liek ten days. So no hurry.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 20:01:28 [Preview] No.24201 del
It's an hour for the results.
Also British ugliness in it's nekkid glory is shown by protesters.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 20:58:18 [Preview] No.24202 del
Now Sky News broadcasts images of the zoo's of different European countries. Warsaw has albino penguin, Berlin polar bear, Paris white people.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:05:45 [Preview] No.24203 del
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE FUCKING BRITBONGS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:06:27 [Preview] No.24204 del
Rejected all four.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:07:06 [Preview] No.24206 del
>>24201
Just as God intended, homo sapiens in all his glory. But how the fuck did they get into the parliament building?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:10:20 [Preview] No.24207 del
>>24204
>Motion C: Customs union - Defeated by 276 to 273
pretty close defeat


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:11:15 [Preview] No.24208 del
Scots are threatening with exiting the Union.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:13:46 [Preview] No.24209 del
>>24207
Also no-deal rejected with 191 vs. 292. This one however is pretty big. It seems commons prefer closer ties with EU.
Now opposition hammers the customs union option.
But if they can't agree, than no deal.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:14:49 [Preview] No.24210 del
What's a good stream that isn't Sky?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:16:46 [Preview] No.24211 del
>>24210
I dunno. I usually just search for Brexit live on youtube and pick one.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:19:12 [Preview] No.24212 del
>>24195
>makes me wonder if communism is the perfect model for Mongol tribes
No wonder it took over Russia.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:23:34 [Preview] No.24214 del
They are already blaming May while they aren't capable to reach a fucking compromise.

I thought our politics were stupid, but the British politics are absolutely retarded.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:28:42 [Preview] No.24216 del
>>24214
I don't think so. As previously said somewhere above, all MPs are thinking in internal politics, what will come after Brexit, who will govern and such. And there might be considerations in relation Brexit many MPs don't want to express straight. For example some while saying don't want no deal, they might obstruct any tries to accept customs union even it means the result will be no deal.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:32:54 [Preview] No.24217 del
(19.17 KB 512x323 1543784298962.png)
That awkward moment when you want to bring up your shithole with some problem and everyone leaves


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:42:11 [Preview] No.24218 del
>>24210
BBC News or BBC One/Two if you can get it from your cable provider, as long as Andrew Neil is still commentator there and you don't watch the rest of the shows.
>>24212
praise the means of Tengri
>>24208
they do it all the time. It's like a dog who barks doesn't bite.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 15:06:40 [Preview] No.24224 del
>>24208
Didn't the EU already say they wouldn't let them join if they left the UK? I think Spain were worried about the idea because it would encourage Catalans to do the same.
>>24214
The worst part is that our incompetence is very much a good thing to the EU because it discourages other anti-EU countries from leaving. Of course that's if their governments would even give them a referendum in the first place, as we only had one thanks to a failed bid for power from the Conservatives.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 16:36:24 [Preview] No.24225 del
>>24224
>Didn't the EU already say they wouldn't let them join if they left the UK?
Nothing is carved in stone, and those with such opinion might don't matter in the future, who knows what it holds. I think for such prohibition at least the EP should vote.
>it discourages other anti-EU countries from leaving.
True. They can just point it out how they make the mighty UK choke on their dicks how would fare that puny X or Y country.

>>24217
What do you mean?

>>24218
>they do it all the time. It's like a dog who barks doesn't bite.
Probably they try to use it as leverage, ofc they won't do it as long as they get what they want. Or get something close to that, such is the way of compromising.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 17:49:11 [Preview] No.24227 del
(139.05 KB 1068x623 Leo-Varadkar.jpg)
Oh god, just found out the Irish PM is a street shitter.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 19:45:49 [Preview] No.24231 del
(20.09 KB 533x800 Indiland.png)
>>24227
It's all make sense now.
The more you know: there's no Ireland flag in the Ireland article of Wikipedia, even tho so far all the countries I checked (for example to grab exact colors for Polanball comics of WC2018) have that feature.


sage Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 20:00:11 [Preview] No.24232 del
>>24231
I have to correct myself. The Ireland article is about the island, it's the Republic of Ireland is about the contemporary state, and it has flag.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 22:41:07 [Preview] No.24233 del
The Israel visit is still spawning noisy but irrelevant headlines
>Bolsonaro prays at the Wailing Wall!
>Bolsonaro visits Holocaust museum!
>Bolsonaro says Nazism was leftwing!
>Bolsonaro visits an IDF unit, takes part in shooting practice and is praised for his aim!
>Bolsonaro's son tweets that he wants Hamas to explode!

Meanwhile, hundreds of billions of BRL on the national budget that could be saved within 10 years through pension reform are being lost as efforts to pass it through Congress are left without Bolsonaro's direct support and Congressmen sabotage the project.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 22:45:22 [Preview] No.24234 del
Investor confidence is falling and economists predict stagnation will continue until 2020.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 05:38:07 [Preview] No.24238 del
>>24233
Whom do those headlines make happy? I mean it needs to have some political capital to gain to worth writing them. I assume he visits greatest allies, USA, Israel this is for strengthening the relations. Going such headlines loud at home instead just publish a quite article of two... they really want to tell someone they are doing this.
All right I admit it is also god as a smokescreen, a show to look like they are doing something meanwhile they are sitting on their hands all day.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 12:53:48 [Preview] No.24244 del
>>24227
Not only that but also he's a homosex.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 13:53:34 [Preview] No.24251 del
>>24244
at least not retard like spanish king


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 09:40:35 [Preview] No.24292 del
Bye bye no-deal Brexit. Next stop, second referendum.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obrowkPYim8

ONE VOTE


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 09:57:42 [Preview] No.24293 del
Bye bye no-deal Brexit. Next stop, second referendum.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obrowkPYim8

ONE VOTE


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 10:02:02 [Preview] No.24294 del
Sorry, didn't mean to post twice.

Also: second referendum looms
http://archive.is/iAdXB


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 11:18:22 [Preview] No.24301 del
(86.25 KB 1000x563 shalom.jpg)
>>24233
Did he apologize for the Brazilian deathcamps in Poland?


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 13:50:40 [Preview] No.24308 del
(106.59 KB 753x960 1467651090965.jpg)
>>24294
>tfw Nige isn't here to save us this time
It's all ogre now, lads.


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 15:36:44 [Preview] No.24314 del
>>24293
Is that decision binding? Because they voted down a no-deal brexit several (3? 4?) times now, but none of them led to mandatory result.

>>24294
I saw two different interpretation of a second referendum, but I can imagine a third one.
The first is when they would ask the people again if they want Brexit.
The second would be the people vote the deal the Commons agreed upon beforehand to confirm it if they want it.
The third one would be several questions, basically the list of possible options of the deal and two more questions: if they would accept no-deal, or if they see it desirable to cancel Article 50. Or something like this.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:22:31 [Preview] No.24617 del
Bolsonaro sacked Education Minister Vélez Rodriguez. Despite decades of experience as a professor, he proved unable to handle a ministerial team drawn from his own contacts, Olavo de Carvalho's acolytes and military officers. Very little was actually done under his tenure and he kept sacking subordinates and changing his mind about appointments. Rodriguez, along with foreign minister Araújo, was one of the Olavist faction's positions in the cabinet.
His replacement is Abraham Weintraub, a dark horse who wasn't cited among the potential picks (the minister's dismissal was expected for a week). When asked about his position on de Carvalho, Weintraub cryptically answered "I appreciate both classical and rock music".


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:27:32 [Preview] No.24618 del
Olavo's daughter now claims he was a Muslim in the past there's also a lot of talk about him being a former astrologer and involved in the occult and had three wives.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:34:21 [Preview] No.24619 del
>>24617
I dont like bolso for several reasons and this is just one of them

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-hVZIyD2DNk [Embed]


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 05:11:05 [Preview] No.24622 del
Ilaeri erections today is being herd. Will our governments continue to be bestest friends I wonder?
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 06:24:21 [Preview] No.24623 del
>>24622
I wonder how king Bibi manages to stay in power.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 13:23:04 [Preview] No.24625 del
I thought the mickey mouse english pounds would lower in value but alas it has not


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 16:57:43 [Preview] No.24627 del
>>24623
No better option. Still it's a coalition that governs.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 18:23:14 [Preview] No.24631 del
Surprisingly a plethora of parties are participating in the Israeli legislative election with real chance to acquire seats in the Knesset. Right now thirteen parties have members there, it is basically impossible for one party gaining 50% + 1 seat of the 120 available.
I would list these parties but all kinds of party alliances makes the thing a little confusing and I've no time now to solve this puzzle.
Bibi's party, he Likud is the biggest one, right now with the most seats. Their main opponent is Labor but during this election it seems a freshly formed party alliance, the centrist Blue and White party, pose the biggest threat, led by a certain Benjamin "Benny" Gantz, a former chief of staff and who enjoys the support of prominent military figures. Still, according an article's title on Haaretz's home page a coalition is possible between Bibi and Benny.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 18:48:05 [Preview] No.24635 del
>>24631
I read somewhere that the jews with the funny hair is becoming a majority

that should be interesting in the future


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 19:11:14 [Preview] No.24636 del
>>24635
Too few religious Jews for that.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:54:48 [Preview] No.24646 del
>>24619
>Exploitation
I call it the natural -and completely unstoppable- expansion of civilization. You can cut down 90% of the Amazon and you'll still have gigantic expanses of untouched forest for every purpose you can think of, and all the land you've freed can be used to contribute to the rest of the world's prosperity and house human lives and social relations. My friends, the land I identify with, the books I read the culture I'm immersed in and my life itself with would never have existed at if not for the clearing of large tracts of the Atlantic rainforest which used to cover all the east coast, and the same will happen for the Amazon.
Yes, this expansion happens in a chaotic and unplanned way but pipe dreams of completely isolating a gigantic, empty space from human life are not the only alternative.


Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 05:48:16 [Preview] No.24653 del
(98.06 KB 1024x640 bibi-gantz.jpg)
It seems Bibi's and Benny's parties won same amount of seats, 35 both.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Gantz-beats-Netanyahu-with-largest-number-of-seats-coalition-unclear-586230
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-election/israels-netanyahu-secures-election-victory-israeli-tv-channels-idUSKCN1RL00K
Together with other right-wing parties Bibi can form a coalition with 65 seats secured all in all.
What I don't understand is that it seems the Blue and White was a member of the previous coalition, why didn't they joined arms?


Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 15:58:41 [Preview] No.24666 del
>>24646
you think deforestation is something good?


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 12:27:05 [Preview] No.24723 del
(234.87 KB 800x628 1427222268952.jpg)


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 15:11:12 [Preview] No.24724 del
>>24723
I'm starting to suspect the UK will never leave the EU. I'm bretty sure EUrocrats don't want you guys leave, it is bad for business - Germany can't export to UK anymore freely, the leave creates a precedent and others might wanna leave - so they will give all the extensions of the world as much as Britain needs to keep them in the EU.
I think the least likely outcome is no-deal Brexit. The most likely is extending the extensions and then next UK government can backpedal on the deal, and UK remains.


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 18:14:12 [Preview] No.24735 del
>>24724
As far as I'm aware no-deal Brexit is now an impossibility thanks to that recent vote that made it illegal under UK legislation. It seems we just have the choice between May's shitty deal or a second referendum.


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 18:20:51 [Preview] No.24737 del
Assange imprisoned, coup d'etat in Sudan and Brexit delayed. Quite an eventful day.


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 18:41:04 [Preview] No.24740 del
(42.17 KB 600x436 1505453853001.jpg)


Bernd 04/12/2019 (Fri) 17:02:11 [Preview] No.24790 del
Running on the European election with a party named after Brexit. Ebin.
https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-launches-brexit-party-no-more-mr-nice-guy/


Bernd 04/12/2019 (Fri) 23:17:02 [Preview] No.24803 del
News of the week is that Dias Toffoli, head of the Supreme Court, was one of the cryptic individuals referred to by codenames in Odebrecht emails. His codename was "my father's friend's friend". By contrast Lula's codename was simply "friend". Those codenames became notorious after it was revealed that Odebrecht had an entire department staffed for the sole purpose of handling its bribes and assigned codenames to the prominent figures it associated with. Low-ranking employess in the bribery department only knew the codenames and not the people behind them.
But this codename wasn't part of the main bribery scheme itself and was instead related to the construction of a dam. What exactly transpired in the dam's construction, Toffoli's role and whatever shady deal he made with Odebrecht are not yet known.


Bernd 04/13/2019 (Sat) 09:24:57 [Preview] No.24808 del
(122.51 KB 624x821 finland_stronk.jpg)
General elections in Suomi tomorrow. Polls suggest Social-democrats to win before EbinFinns party.


Bernd 04/13/2019 (Sat) 11:58:36 [Preview] No.24810 del
>>24808
Yeah. Tight results expected, some polls say:
Social Democrats 19%
Finns 16,3%
National Coalition 15.9%
Center 14.5%
Others show different numbers to the latter three but the SDP has a sure lead. But the real question could it form government? Last time the last three was on government together, until the Finns left. Even with 20% the SDP would need bout 4 parties to join in since only the Green League can expect above 10% result and the others are way below of it. Maybe SDP could form a coalition with Center, it is the closest to them from the three.
The major issue is the health care reform.
Interestingly the Soc-Dems are campaigning with tax raise to back the expenditure of social services.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 16:30:38 [Preview] No.24860 del
>>24810
final result is just a very close victory of the social democrats, they have just one seat more than the ebin finnish party.
Linus Torvalds (guy who made Linux) dad is in the EU parliament. The elections for EU parliament is in 6 weeks and it looks like Brits are going to vote for it too, as we have seen by the meme candidates that want to run for UKIP or Farage wanting to run for a new party.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 17:18:25 [Preview] No.24862 del
(78.69 KB 853x960 happy_mongol.jpg)
>>24860
Social Democrats: 17,7%
Finns: 17,5%
National Coalition: 17%
Center: 13,8%
Greens: 11,5%
Left Alliance: 8,2%
Swedish People's: 4,5%
Christian Democrats: 3,9%

That's it. The big loser is the Center, people clearly don't want them back.
Soc-Dems can form coalition with just about anyone but the Finns. Coincidentally the only party that against immigration is the Finns.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 18:09:08 [Preview] No.24866 del
how come finnish elections is so important

it is a insignificant little country


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 18:27:13 [Preview] No.24868 del
>>24866
>it is a insignificant little country
Says Sweden...

It's customary here to cover elections all over the world. If anyone of us wants to write it. Everyone should present their own, but since we are so few with hueg gaps in nationality we discuss other nations too.
When something comes up in Sweded, feel free to give us some info.
In it's correct form we should write a who-is-who (parties, politicians) and upload maps to show relation between the results and geography, demographics etc. But that's not small undertaking.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 10:06:52 [Preview] No.24887 del
>>24862
Idk which party supports what aside from obvious ones.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 17:26:57 [Preview] No.24892 del
>>24887
Beside the obvious ones (Sod-Dems, Christ-Dems, Left, Greens) I dunno about the Swedes.
- Center = center-right (I guess economical liberal);
- National = center-right (conservative);
- Finns = right (radical or considered as such).
But will check, today I'd lotsa stuff to do and haven't even dined yet.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 17:48:04 [Preview] No.24894 del
(195.88 KB 700x450 1553965908585-0.jpg)
>>24887
Finns on not-kc said that Christian party is a hardcore burger tier evangelicals party.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 21:41:02 [Preview] No.24906 del
>>24803
Now another Supreme Court judge issued a gag order to the news site that broke this story, claiming that it's fake news and an attack on the institution. This backfired: his decision was severely criticized in the media and now everyone's talking about the story, which previously aroused only minor interest.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 22:37:36 [Preview] No.24908 del
Search and seizure warrants have also been issued against the homes of several other individuals accused of spreading fake news against the Supreme Court. The Prosecutor General of the Republic opposes this measure and says it has no evidence and legal precedent, but the Court has chosen to ignore the Prosecutor General's complaints. Public opinion, the media, the Prosecutor General and some politicians (a Senator just proposed impeaching the judge) are against the Supreme Court, but it feels it has the power to do whatever it wants.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 17:17:38 [Preview] No.24920 del
>>24906
Maybe that was his intention all along.

>>24908
It's always nice when those are the greatest criminals who are the leading figures of law enforcement.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 18:13:15 [Preview] No.24923 del
It seems Erdogan lost both Ankara and Istanbul.

Meanwhile on the Hungary:
https://www.delmagyar.hu/szeged_hirek/fiatal_lanyok_kotottek_el_egy_menetrend_szerinti_buszt_sandorfalvan/2594552/?fbclid=IwAR1REAtLPQMHVcznZEaPeq6wYkzP9ltCawawqBUSfLWru_OvzLSRwG79fi8
Tl;dr in English:
Some drunk hos borrowed a bus when they went home from a party and found it empty while the driver took a piss. They drove around on the steppes for a few hours. They were caught when they returned the bus, the police already was there. They caused some minor dents when they hit a traffic sign or some such.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 18:29:12 [Preview] No.24925 del
>>24923
>>24923
>They drove around on the steppes for a few hours

just hungary things


Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 01:37:57 [Preview] No.24927 del
One of Bolsonaro's sons arrived in Hungary and is set to meet Orbán. Later on he'll see Salvini.


Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 05:10:09 [Preview] No.24930 del
>>24927
Yeah, the two countries knit the ties closer.
He talked with our foreign minister and they agreed they both don't like Soros and don't want migrants but respect Christianity very much. They accepted a common economical strategy to strengthen economical relations, agrotechnology, water management(?), pharma industry, and common research programs. Hungary gives 250 scholarships to Brazilian students, and support for the Benedictines to operate the Hungarian school for the Hungarian diaspora in Brazil.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 08:43:32 [Preview] No.24992 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qCM6Uq7CAnU [Embed]

The UK's Upcoming Porn Ban Explained - TLDR News


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:07:09 [Preview] No.25009 del
(16.21 KB 736x736 awesome.gif)
Comedy gold.
https://www.politico.eu/article/comedian-volodymyr-zelenskiy-set-to-win-ukraine-presidential-vote-election-exit-poll/
>The national exit poll, which consisted of results from a number of polling agencies, showed Zelenskiy was projected to win 73.2 percent of the vote compared to Poroshenko’s 25.3 percent — a margin of nearly 48 percentage points.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:09:13 [Preview] No.25010 del
Urine elected a clown as their president. Slava Ukraine


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:13:41 [Preview] No.25011 del
>>25009
you beat me, hohils really voted for a puppet of a Jewish oligarch.
>Kolomoiskyi controls his business empire from Switzerland.
I take it back, he's a good lad.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 19:00:33 [Preview] No.25012 del
(130.89 KB 600x600 yoba.png)
>>25009
Sorry. Wrong pic.

>>25011
I wonder what Hoholbernds think about this.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 19:52:17 [Preview] No.25013 del
>>25012
they live in a society I guess. no more honk and joker memes please.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 23:04:37 [Preview] No.25016 del
(349.17 KB 1459x1114 1538936916939-3.jpg)
>>25009
Some are blaming Rooster "meddling" for this


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 06:59:16 [Preview] No.25024 del
(43.87 KB 309x400 laugning-cat.jpg)
>>25016
>that image


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 02:09:37 [Preview] No.25101 del
>>25092
they're hastily moving towards superpower status


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 07:56:01 [Preview] No.25112 del
(216.28 KB 975x670 image.png)
>>25101
first thing you need to be a superpower is railroads

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2qocQsqVNgI [Embed]


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 12:39:21 [Preview] No.25121 del
>>25112
and toilets


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 16:57:58 [Preview] No.25127 del
(99.01 KB 1200x901 serveimage.jpeg)
>>25121
heh you haven't seen that map? india built toilets in the last few years


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:03:18 [Preview] No.25128 del
>>25127
Polan could have made serious bank on it but I'm pretty sure they were left out.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:12:16 [Preview] No.25131 del
>>25127
impressive
>>25128
maybe they can have a contract on maintenance


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 22:17:11 [Preview] No.25146 del
>>25121
You can always build toilets within wagons and railway stations.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 22:53:42 [Preview] No.25149 del
The Supreme Court of Justice (not the same thing as the Supreme Federal Court, which is usually referred to as the Supreme Court) judged Lula's condemnation. They accepted it but reduced the sentence, so he may get off to a lighter punishment instead of his current cell before the end of this year. If he doesn't get a new condemnation, that is, and he may very well gain another as he's under judgement on half a dozen other charges of corruption.

Meanwhile public financing of artists has been squeezed: the limit on how much could be requested for a project was lowered from R$ 60 million to just R$ 1 million. Museums and a few other institutions currently covered within public cultural funding are exempt from this change.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 05:31:42 [Preview] No.25220 del
>>25149
Every case of his is judged separately? We (usually?) unite the cases and give one sentence after the whole is weighed. Or maybe I misunderstood something.
Also from 60 to mere 1 is a giant reduction.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 09:48:09 [Preview] No.25224 del
(67.12 KB 300x300 1536370726655.png)
>>25146
dedicated toilet trains


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:05:39 [Preview] No.25241 del
Did your head of state bow down to our chink overlords and their chairman Poh today?
Switzerland
Yes


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:27:45 [Preview] No.25244 del
>>25241
his hairline is amazing for his age


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:28:29 [Preview] No.25245 del
(254.46 KB 1792x1080 Winnie-the-pooh.jpg)
>>25241
>Chairman Pooh
Would vote.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 21:10:29 [Preview] No.25263 del
The Ministry of Education will transfer some funds from Humanities courses to STEM ones.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:11:50 [Preview] No.25320 del
Socialists win the elections in Spain. The parliament stays fragmented as no side is able to form a stable government.
Socialists 29%
Conservatives 16.7%
Ciudadanos (European liberals, as in economy friendly) 15.8%
Podemos (leftist populists) 14.3%
Vox (right wing nationalists) 10.2%

Elections in Belgium and for the European parliament are next month. India is under way but takes a whole month.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:32:29 [Preview] No.25323 del
>>25320
you would think spain would be more conservative since they had franco ruling that country for so long

I heard spain is very sjw and feminist


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:33:21 [Preview] No.25324 del
(18.55 KB 300x250 1556473204983.png)
>>25320
>Elections in Belgium
didnt they not have a goverment for like 4 years or something


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 05:28:25 [Preview] No.25335 del
>>25320
Wait. I wanted to follow this more closely. I missed it. Thanks for the update, mang.
I saw some article headlines on politico earlier which implied there's a conservative upsurge in Spain...


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 19:57:51 [Preview] No.25367 del
>>25335
Votes from conservative party went to right-wing and liberal citizens party. Commentators claimed that this was due to the many corruption scandals. I'm surprised that the issue of burry Franco somewhere else didn't backlash and the socialists won nevertheless. The backlash is in form of the votes for the right wing party Vox, but they didn't make up for the huge losses of the conservative party that is on an all time low now. Meanwhile moderate republicans gained more votes than Pigdemon's party in Catalunya and Socialists won Barcelona. I don't know much about the economy besides tourism and building unnecessary stuff and of course growing strawberries in January.


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 20:15:18 [Preview] No.25376 del
>>25367
They also have orange and gypsy musicians.
I wonder how Catalunya will be effected on the longer run.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 10:19:46 [Preview] No.26373 del
(2.83 MB 1291x935 1467658629134.png)
>tfw just voted for Nige


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 12:43:33 [Preview] No.26377 del
>>26373
>tfw you have never voted in your life beacuse you are an anarchist


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 17:39:45 [Preview] No.26394 del
>>26373
I would too but I think one needs a legit address in the country where he wishes to cast his vote.
We'll vote on the 26th. I'm not sure I'll go.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:50:37 [Preview] No.26401 del
(116.97 KB 768x960 1525958499419.jpg)
>>26377
based and redpilled
>>26394
Just come and live at my house before 10pm tonight (no homo)
I was looking at the options you have on Wikipedia and it seems like mostly /pol/ and /leftypol/ tier meme parties from what I can see. Personally I would at least consider going just to submit a defaced ballot, but that's only because my polling station is only around a 2 minute walk from where I live.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:53:11 [Preview] No.26403 del
>>26394
I didn't vote, idk how things go in there but if you are not persuaded that there is a good party but only lesser evil, don't vote. This only justifies their behaviour.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:59:46 [Preview] No.26406 del
>>26394
you are british?


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:22:49 [Preview] No.26408 del
>>26401
I think I would need to register too first.

>>26403
I don't vote on Hungarian parliamentary elections, I consider the current system illegitimate, municipal elections would be different but the parties are the same. I have reservations against the European Union too, tho I acknowledge that here in Central Eastern Europe we would need something like this anyway. But we don't, just this pile of horse manure.
Ofc there's no party I would support with absolutely clear conscience, so that's there too.

>>26406
No. You can vote on any party of any country without being citizen, but local address and registration needed.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:38:14 [Preview] No.26409 del
>>26401
>I was looking at the options you have on Wikipedia and it seems like mostly /pol/ and /leftypol/ tier meme parties from what I can see.
Since I don't vote for communist (Munkáspárt = Worker's Party) the only one left is the Mi Hazánk (Our Homeland) but I have problems with that too (yeah they are /pol/-tier meme party). Maybe Jobbik but no. All the others I wouldn't take them into consideration, not for one moment.
There's the MKKP, the joke party, but it was more sympathetic when that dude did his actions alone just for the heck of it and not for political ambitions.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:40:14 [Preview] No.26410 del
>>26409
I thought you would vote for jobbik


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:50:22 [Preview] No.26411 del
>>26410
No. When I started my voting career I voted MIÉP. Jobbik took it's place on the palette but it always smelt bad. Maybe because of it's Fidesz origin, or because of the leading staff, or because of the kuruc.info, or because of all the people who wouldn't belong to that part of the political spectrum. I dunno.
Now I also don't agree with them getting all warmed together with the other opposing parties (socialists and liberals) during the last election. They lost face in the public eye with that move, no result to show and they didn't gain anything only their party got split. They should have remain independent from them, that way they would still have dignity. Well if we can talk about that in case of a political party.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:52:47 [Preview] No.26412 del
Brexit edition huh. Nice EU parliament vote you have there.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:24:28 [Preview] No.26418 del
>>26411
take the ted pill

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aTb0Rj_O6nw [Embed]


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:42:01 [Preview] No.26420 del
(111.98 KB 960x784 1475672794803.jpg)
>>26412
delet this


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:00:01 [Preview] No.26430 del
Swiss' are losing their guns atm. Apparently they vote on gun checks. RIP.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:33:04 [Preview] No.26436 del
>>26430
As long as you aren't finished with the army, you get to keep your AR. New laws won't change this. So I still have an AR from the Swiss army at home. In Switzerland you go back to the army for 3 weeks every year until you have served the necessary days corresponding to your rank. If you want to keep it after you are finished with the army you have to go voluntarily to a second organised shooting next to the mandatory one and you need to apply for a gun permit. They will also turn off the automatic feature for those who want to keep it, so you can only shoot single shots. Easiest way to keep your gun is to join a shooting club, they exist in every village and you get to train with other people.
Swiss people voted in favor of the new law, so we can keep using the EU database for criminals and can send refugees back to Italy when their fingerprints were registered there first. I won't complain, 66% said yes and at least we get to vote on such referendums all the time.
I'm a pretty bad shooter, I hate cleaning my AR, so I won't keep it. But this reminds me that I still have to go to the shooting range next month to shoot the mandatory 20 shots on a 300 meter target.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 06:58:16 [Preview] No.26456 del
>>26436
isnt the rifles plugged?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 10:01:24 [Preview] No.26463 del
May isn't even over yet, but May is gone
does this count as haiku or limerick?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 10:12:05 [Preview] No.26464 del
(4.80 KB 88x125 braisedengri.jpg)
>>26409
> Maybe Jobbik but no
you're probably indo-nigger scum sorry for your heritage problems


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 12:47:09 [Preview] No.26466 del
>>26464
maybe he is indo-nigger-jew


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 14:15:17 [Preview] No.26478 del
(81.66 KB 750x671 1558624590219.jpg)
>>26463
SOON™


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 14:32:25 [Preview] No.26479 del
>>26478
there is no chance that nigel will become prime minister

boris is the most likely candidate


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 15:30:41 [Preview] No.26482 del


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 21:36:46 [Preview] No.26537 del
REKT


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 22:00:06 [Preview] No.26540 del
(76.36 KB 598x516 sadness.jpg)


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 01:32:03 [Preview] No.26546 del
(20.14 KB 400x400 algerian.jpg)
>>26537
Yeah, I don't think much will come out of it


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 15:49:48 [Preview] No.26619 del
nah deel brixt X--D


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:06:45 [Preview] No.26666 del
Here EU election turnout is quite high, 41,74% was at 18:30. It will be over 42. Compared to that in 2014 27,64% of the voters went.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:24:06 [Preview] No.26668 del
>>26666 (checked)
Here it's slightly above 30% but it hasn't all been counted yet. That's still a record.
I myself didn't go vote.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:32:12 [Preview] No.26669 del
>>26668
I missed out too.
I think EU elections are unpopular in Eastern EU.

According to an exit poll:
- Fidesz won 14 seats
- DK, MSZP (two "socialist") and Jobbik 2-2-2
- Momentum (young liberals) 1
- LMP, Mi Hazánk, MKKP didn't get enough for a seat.
But this still isn't the real result. Sounds plausible tho.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 21:13:27 [Preview] No.26681 del
>>26669
So it seems our seats will be divided like this:
Fidesz 13
DK 4
Momentum 2
MSZP 1
Jobbik 1

Fidesz could mobilize well, the higher turnouts mostly from places that traditionally supports them.
LMP is the biggest loser of this election. They have a solid place in our parliament, but this means they're losing support. There were some losses in their leadership too, maybe people who preferred those guys stopped supporting the party. They also can't provide anything substantial to the people. What I heard today with half ear they try to push the environmentalism line, a green party and all that, but "fighting against climate change" is just too abstract for the people who care more about their day to day life.
The surprise is the DK. They are those spineless "socialists" who crashed the country back in 2006-2008. Some people (not even a few) are still capable of voting for them.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 05:48:20 [Preview] No.26688 del
(294.17 KB 686x878 EP-seats-2019.png)
(136.92 KB 686x628 losses-gains.png)
(172.42 KB 706x890 turnout.png)
(172.30 KB 712x892 euroskeptics.png)
Europoon Parliamentary Elections results
The only question I see in the forming of the governing coalition: will the EPP and S&D make a deal? Our media suggested earlier Weber and Timmermans are starting to warm up to each other.
This "euroskeptic" label is such a bullshit. Fidesz and Orbán are 100% pro-EU, Jobbik and now Mi Hazánk are the euroskeptics (and I guess the Workers Party). It does seem they start to use this label to stigmatize those who don't want centralization, who don't want a United States of Europe.
Frankly it would be better if this construction would collapse. Come the Flood and end this farce.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 14:42:41 [Preview] No.26693 del
>>26688
>This "euroskeptic" label is such a bullshit.
This so much. PiS in Poland is also labeled this way.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 15:56:01 [Preview] No.26694 del
>>26693
These journalists ought to be more educated than the average people, they should know that if two opinions exist about how a thing should be done, it doesn't mean that one of these opinions is against the thing itself. For example if we look back to ancient Athens at the rivalry of Themistocles and Aristides we see how their opinion collides, but both kept in mind Athens' interest. Tho Themistocles got the chance to proved to be right, and he was, we can see that Aristides wasn't against Athens either. So do these journalists really think that those who oppose the centralization are really want to quit EU or dissolve it? This is how the common people think and those who try to inform them about the world should be above this level.
But this is how we can know that these journalists aren't there to make information available but to shape the opinion of those whom they can reach.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 16:57:14 [Preview] No.26696 del
some observations from the elections:
liberals won the most new seats thanks to macaroni bringing them seats from frons, they can choose witch side they want to support
rightwing/populists/anti-EU parties didn't win as much as expected
British youtubers Sargon and Count Dankula miserably failed
Zoomers (young women in particular) love the Green party and generated some buzz against the Christian parties because of the upload filter
voter turnout was with 51% really high
in some places social-democrats are a marginal party now, in others they seem to recover and won the most votes in the Netherlands and Spain


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 17:16:46 [Preview] No.26697 del
>>26696
Yeah, liberals won big time, since green also liberal, just usually with some economically socialist ideas.
EPP is in a tight place now. They don't want join forces with "euroskeptics" but conservatives are way to few, they need the liberals and greens. If they really want to take away the sovereignty of the members state they better make a deal with socdems to gain 2/3. I dunno how significant that is in the EP but usually it is.
Switzerland got the best deal again...


Bernd 06/12/2019 (Wed) 16:58:51 [Preview] No.27163 del
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-conservatives-see-path-to-power-pressurizing-macron-and-liberals/
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-would-support-merkel-for-commission-president/
Germs and Frenchies are wooing each other steadily but this courtship may take a while until they finally decide who gets what.


Bernd 06/21/2019 (Fri) 18:52:26 [Preview] No.27490 del
Daniel Tourinho Filho, head of the Christian Labor Party (PTC) in Rio de Janeiro, was found dead in his apartment today. His cause of death has not yet been made public. He was the son of the party's national president.


Bernd 06/22/2019 (Sat) 06:32:32 [Preview] No.27498 del
>>27490
Are real peso supremacists to blame for this extrajudicial killing?


Bernd 06/22/2019 (Sat) 07:06:20 [Preview] No.27499 del
i dont believe brexit will ever happen. its just there are people in deep with he government wont allow it to happen no matter what. and if people revolted they are ready to spill their blood.


Bernd 06/26/2019 (Wed) 05:27:18 [Preview] No.27589 del
(465.56 KB 1152x651 brexit.jpg)
(109.87 KB 1000x500 o-BREXIT.jpg)
What's up with Istanbul?
https://www.politico.eu/article/5-takeaways-istanbul-mayor-election-ekrem-imamoglu-recep-tayyip-erdogan/
So basically they held an election where Erdogan's party lost, so they held a new one and were beaten even more but in the end it's fine?

>>27499
>i dont believe brexit will ever happen.
Yeah, I concur.
>its just there are people in deep with he government wont allow it to happen
I think basically more than half the MP's don't want it, and many lobbyist groups and the EU with politicians and power groups neither who can influence them one way or another.
People doesn't matter much, they don't even know what they want and can't really know. Maybe they'd do just fine outside the EU but media constantly preaches doom. And media what's the media said and the truth only can align by chance.
But even they have a result of a proper referendum the politicians managed to play around and spend the time with useless wankery. They can drag the issue on infinitely and the whole thing is moot.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 10:51:47 [Preview] No.27613 del
>>27499
>and if people revolted
That would never happen anyway. People in this country complain about everything but are too lazy to actually do anything about it themselves. I think we actually secretly just enjoy complaining.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 15:37:11 [Preview] No.27618 del
>>27613
Sames here. And I'm gonna go ahead and guess it's the same at most places.
I'm not sure if lazyness is the correct term, tho part of it. People have cozy enough lives that it's suitable for them and don't dare to risk it. It's enough to let them complain or joke about stuff it directs the amassed stress and discontent.
The sheep is sheared and fed too.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 15:52:49 [Preview] No.27621 del
>>27618
Probably the first world at least, anyway. People are happy to give up on their ideals if they get some material gain out of it.


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 12:25:47 [Preview] No.27668 del
Bolsonaro met Megatron at the G20 summit in Osaka


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 15:12:08 [Preview] No.27671 del
>>27668
I don't wanna sound like a dick but noone can stop me but if you want to list everyone whom he met at G20 it will take a while.


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 21:14:48 [Preview] No.27691 del
>>27671
I'll list the names of everyone who was at the BBQ restaurant he ate on he didn't have a lot of fixed commitments upon arrival; one news site used this visit to claim he's "isolated".
Something relevant did happen: Mercosul has finally concluded a trade agreement with the European Union after 20 years of negotiation. European manufactured goods will flow in more easily and agricultural exports will increase. Some European farmers didn't like this. Macron threatened to obstruct the deal if Bolsonaro left the Paris climate agreement but he promised to stay and now the two have made peace.


Bernd 06/29/2019 (Sat) 20:43:21 [Preview] No.27720 del
>>27691
>agricultural exports will increase
I'm guessing sugar is one important item. Hungarian sugar industry had to be killed before joining the EU because it was in the way of westerners' interest, tho they don't produce much sugar themselves, everyone lieks it if it's made from cane and not beet. Few years ago there was some problems with Brazilian sugar, and Europe shat itself where we gonna find enough. We could have supplied if we still had it but we didn't. Oh well.
Anyways western farmers are subsidized heavily and their states hate competition, they want some return for all that moniz they throw at them. I guess they have to live with it for now it seems.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 00:15:55 [Preview] No.27721 del
I'm not keen on having to sit through another farcical U.S election.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 07:31:58 [Preview] No.27725 del
>>27721
Here it's comfier. I can just do ostrich politics and avoid the whole thing. These shit can only find it's way to me if I deliberately seek it out.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 08:49:17 [Preview] No.27726 del
(47.58 KB 800x450 rocket man.jpg)
Trump is now the first American president to enter North Korean soil.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48814975


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 09:14:14 [Preview] No.27727 del
>>27726
>controversial nuclear programme
Kek.
>"complete denuclearisation" of the Korean peninsula but without clarifying what that meant.
It's an lexical mystery what could it mean.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 11:19:44 [Preview] No.27728 del
Snatched freshly from Kohl.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 16:07:43 [Preview] No.27735 del
Will Dolan get a Nobel Peace Prize for his unprecedented normalization of relations with the Kim domain? Oblong won one so it's not like the bar is set too high.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 16:46:17 [Preview] No.27736 del
>>27735
I wouldn't count on it.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 20:05:06 [Preview] No.27743 del
>>27735
He didn't start a war, he pussied out on Iran, there were several occasions where another president would have supported an intervention like in Venezuela. So the answer is clearly no, they will give it to Greta or that boat captain who brought more immigrants to Europe.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 20:51:31 [Preview] No.27745 del
>>27743
>they will give it to Greta
Oh god, that sounds very likely.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 23:29:16 [Preview] No.27747 del
(1.35 MB 1280x720 Trudon't.mp4)
>>27728
But did you snatch this one?


Bernd 07/01/2019 (Mon) 05:09:17 [Preview] No.27748 del
>>27747
I didn't.
Beside what's been said on imageboards (the couple of memes, especially that fake quote about killing the enemy) I know nothing about him - he is so irrelevant here - so I can't really judge, but based on this he is the creator of that situation, he was the one whose behaviour made others to lose respect. Such cases.
It would be good to know who was the one who greeted Bolsonaro from the other side, and how the scene played out in it's entirety. Maybe the whole picture isn't that unflattering than this cut out piece.


Bernd 07/02/2019 (Tue) 10:32:09 [Preview] No.27782 del
>>27726
Trump is looking pretty old there, is the presidential accelerated aging starting to kick in?


Bernd 07/02/2019 (Tue) 16:30:56 [Preview] No.27799 del
>>27747
Snatched from 8/int.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 00:17:22 [Preview] No.27810 del
>>27748
>>27799
Trudeau is not asking to be greeted but telling Bolsonaro to greet the man to his left. You can see he pokes Bolsonaro on the arm, who notes his presence, and then spreads his hand outwards as if introducing someone.
But it's more fun to interpret it as Trudeau being given the cold shoulder.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:07:15 [Preview] No.27812 del
>>27810
Yeah, and he speaks a few words as well.
The latter one still not the whole video, only a longer piece which still too short. We would need one which starts even earlier, the viewer has no idea how the situation developed.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:17:06 [Preview] No.27813 del
All right. This is what's happening after.
So those two still haven't met on that event, they didn't have the opportunity to greet each other. So Trudeau can't introduce someone else, he really was ignored over someone else.
Who sat on the left of Bolsonaro?


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:18:09 [Preview] No.27814 del
>>27813
Ehh. Ignore the silly thumbnail, I cut the rest of the video off of the part we're interested in.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 16:14:34 [Preview] No.27817 del
(32.74 KB 852x480 italophobia2.jpg)
New President of the EU Parliament was elected today. It's some Italian dude whom noone heard about before - outside Italy, and frankly noone knows who those guys are in the EP... - and noone will after since it's a joke office. If I say Tajani, does this name ring a bell? I thought so.
Anyway this Sassoli guy is a social-democrat but supposedly an "ally to Berlusconi" and not a friend of Salvini.
https://www.politico.eu/article/david-sassoli-elected-european-parliament-president/
https://www.thelocal.it/20190703/who-is-david-sassoli-new-president-european-parliament


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 06:27:25 [Preview] No.27866 del
Musing about how crappy must be to be a politician. Everywhere you go everyone wants something from you. If you're corrupt crook good for you, you can exploit people for your gain by promise everything and giving nothing (since you don't really have nothing to give, only empty promises, it is impossible to please/help everyone).
On the other hand if you're want to do an honest work... you're out of luck, you listen one people and try to help that one, suddenly 10 jumps up and demands the same or says what you do hurts others (them) or demand you to stop wasting the community's resources on one people, etc. So in the end you couldn't do anything just give empty promises.
What Bernd think of this?


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 06:31:05 [Preview] No.27867 del
(93.28 KB 800x686 honest-politician2.jpg)
(293.78 KB 640x480 honest-politician1.jpg)


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 10:06:10 [Preview] No.27868 del
>>27866
my grandfather worked with tanaka on 越山会 they were well liked by people because of that, even after tanaka got framed on false charges he was still well liked and won all the elections


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 19:08:48 [Preview] No.27871 del
>>27868
I meant more liek on personal level. Liek if you would be a member of the parliament, or a mayor or something and during your everyday life you meet people and many of them will only see the politician whom should resolve their quasi-personal problems (e.g. "there's a pothole right before my gate, fix it" - meanwhile there's a bunch of potholes all over; "the X event is too loud isn't there a way to make it quiter??!!" - meanwhile the event brings joy to many people, etc. etc.)


Bernd 07/08/2019 (Mon) 08:01:33 [Preview] No.27875 del
This board is just one pathetic gypsy talking to himself.


Bernd 07/08/2019 (Mon) 15:53:15 [Preview] No.27886 del
>>27875
Yes, it might seem to you you're talking to yourself but we just ignore you. Stop complaining.


Bernd 07/09/2019 (Tue) 18:27:26 [Preview] No.27917 del
>>27868
>my grandfather worked with tanaka on 越山会
Would that person be Kaku-san?

That's actually pretty cool. How was it like working for him?


Bernd 07/10/2019 (Wed) 03:10:37 [Preview] No.27932 del
>>27917
kakusan?
its etuzankai
he knew my grandfather from 民主自由党 and when he started the idea my grandfather helped him
he said the group was really good and helped see niigata see a level of improvement that hadnt existed since kenshin
>>27871
im not sure about that, i have family who were involved in politics but never noticed that


Bernd 07/22/2019 (Mon) 19:20:01 [Preview] No.28143 del
(11.28 KB 277x151 Ну, погоди.png)
Probably Bernd remembers how a "media personality", Volodymyr Zelensky, won the Ukrainian prez elections in spring. Past weekend was the parliamentary election, a snap one after the Prez dissolved the parliament in May because of reasons. Otherwise it would have been in October. I guess they thought they had to hit the iron as long as it's red hot.
And they were right. His party the "Servant of the People" (in Russian Ukrainian it's surely something liek the Blyads of the Sukas or something) had breddy gud result, in fact they won.
Servant of the People - 43%, new guys, the new prez's party, maybe liberal populist or something, since it seems the campaigned with the criticism of the previous government, they doesn't seem to offer one complete package of ideology just nice tunes like anti-corruption and such
Grove Street OG's Opposition platform - 4Life - 13%, also new guys, interesting name do they wanna be opposition only?, this is an alliance of smaller entities, they have social notions, apparently Eurosceptics and Russia friendly
Europeon Solidarity - 8%, Poroshenko's, they done goofed, conservatives
Fatherland - 8%, conservatives
Voice - 6%, liberals


Bernd 07/23/2019 (Tue) 22:19:49 [Preview] No.28172 del
>>28143
>servant of the people
these party names get sillier and sillier with every year


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 05:06:48 [Preview] No.28173 del
>>28143
No, but I remember that you are a gypsy.


cont. Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 05:19:47 [Preview] No.28176 del
>>28172
True dat. But at least in that particular case it faithfully reflects what the party represents: bullshit.

>>28173
I made your BONG your filthy gypsy. Feel free to comment.


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 11:47:46 [Preview] No.28180 del
(44.88 KB 840x630 Boris.jpg)
British Trump is now Prime Minister, as everyone expected.


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 13:52:10 [Preview] No.28182 del
(26.54 KB 294x342 1563976025973.png)
lel


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 16:22:31 [Preview] No.28186 del
>>28182
>Vacant
The editor of that page is one brilliant prankster.


Bernd 07/29/2019 (Mon) 08:07:15 [Preview] No.28332 del
(58.82 KB 600x425 66p-3-600x425.jpg)
>>28143
>>28172
>Servant of the People
>these party names get sillier and sillier with every year

It isn't just a silly name. Zelensky was a comedy actor, and he has popular TV series about politics where he was a president. It was called "servant of the people": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People

Considering naming, phrase "servant of the people" (or "nation") is common in Russian (and Ukrainian), it means that "president/government official/deputy/etc is the servant of the people". Some sources say that this was from some Stalin speech about elections in 30s (actually, USSR had elections on almost every level, although most of them had single candidate).

It is often used comically in jokes about comparison what normal people have and what "servants of the people" have, because it is fun to see how "servants" have much more than those who they serve. Like people walking on streets and servants of the people driving luxury cars.


sage Bernd 07/29/2019 (Mon) 08:17:33 [Preview] No.28334 del
>>28332
Oh, the .org domain strikes again


Bernd 08/03/2019 (Sat) 05:46:08 [Preview] No.28406 del
>>28332
And Friedrich the Great said: I am the first servant of the state.
I vaguely remember something that Augustus' princeps title didn't just mean first citizen but had to implication of to be the first servant. Or maybe my memory is failing me and this thing was related to Napoleon I (and/or the French Revolution) or III.
I think a Bernd will know it what I'm think of and where I mistook.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 03:42:49 [Preview] No.28454 del
This week was a ride, really.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 05:24:41 [Preview] No.28457 del
>>28454
What happened. This week I really didn't follow politics.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 05:44:33 [Preview] No.28458 del
(78.40 KB 1024x1001 rees-mogg.jpg)
Rees-Mogg is the new "leader of the House of Commons". Sounds fun.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-parliament-harassment-bullying-problem/
Saw some video he was at some uni having some chat with some profs and students and at the end the audience could ask some questions. Ofc they were all lefties what else and tried to burn him but he reversed the roles and trolled them hard. They were dumbasses so in itself that wasn't a feat, the impressive thing was that he kept calm, cool as a cucumber. Well, he is a politician.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:29:07 [Preview] No.28459 del
>>28457
Garlic bread festival shooting, the El Paso shooting (by a guy posting on 8chan again), and then the Dayton shooting.


sledgehammer Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:46:30 [Preview] No.28460 del
>>28458
Fat gypsy
DUN DUN


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:09:21 [Preview] No.28461 del
>>28459
That's a lot for a week. Are them just news or have political implications?


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:16:28 [Preview] No.28462 del
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49224816
>assault rifle with high-capacity magazines.
Well, as far as buzzwords go at least they didn't write "assault weapon".


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:20:38 [Preview] No.28463 del
>>28461
they have implications for imageboards, or at least for 8chan. Cloudflare terminated the contract with them, because 3 shooters published their manifestos on /pol/. It's Islam tier and kohl mods are too /pol/ friendly too. Amd I get to read about 8chan once again in Swiss newspapers.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:35:54 [Preview] No.28464 del
Well my home atm is down so I'll just come up here to say hi


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:47:53 [Preview] No.28466 del
>>28464
Hey, dude! Welcome to Downchan, enjoy your 500 errors.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:48:50 [Preview] No.28467 del
>>28466
the 500s should be reduced now with the new caching policy


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:53:10 [Preview] No.28468 del
>>28467
Doubt. Just now I couldn't post like for 5 mins.

>>28463
I'm sure sportschan is really behind it.
Swiss newspps are suspiciously well informed on the field of imageboards.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:54:19 [Preview] No.28469 del
>>28468
caching doesn't affect posting just loading threads


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:56:44 [Preview] No.28470 del
>>28469
for some context we're at about 50% more traffic than we usually get at this time of day


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 17:19:02 [Preview] No.28474 del
BTW, Danebernd here, in Holland.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 17:49:01 [Preview] No.28477 del
>>28470
Let me guess, you are notJeff(Jeff).
Anyway. Until Odili doesn't fix the chan... I don't think any tinkering will help.

>>28474
Business or pleasure?


Bernd 08/06/2019 (Tue) 03:46:20 [Preview] No.28489 del
>>28477
"Pleasure", but don't think of that kind of pleasure, know what I mean.


Bernd 08/06/2019 (Tue) 15:37:25 [Preview] No.28495 del
>>28489
Yeah, I get it.


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 20:03:24 [Preview] No.28615 del
(23.70 KB 729x425 arige-flag.jpg)
Argentina has elections this year. Primary was held yesterday. If no Argie poster will add more info on who is who and what's what and what are the main issues, I'll make a little research this week. I know their economy can't find itself for a while now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/argentine-vote-to-show-strength-of-support-for-market-overhauls-11565533463?emailToken=8d1e9e8498d8c7017ab03c7672eb985aBCFLrpDEThV0Xn934zwLBCC/fIi+22t3/aZFjEzkSEHYZlETCo5DSpR9swiHN3y4f/M9vHvqYUC9cxQQI4TekeisHloYF3GRmm/FKRD+Vl+1J/WSWEkaB+9UpnkDKMnX&reflink=article_email_share


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 20:59:48 [Preview] No.28616 del
Bois,
seid ihr bereit für den Brexit
Gold geht auf 1800 rauf bis halloween


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 22:58:06 [Preview] No.28618 del
>>28615
Bad news. Pink Tide leadership was largely what got Argentina to its present state and if it returns there'll be more ideological division within Mercosul, poorer relations with Brazil and more international support for Maduro.


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 01:55:37 [Preview] No.28620 del
>>28618
>more international support for Maduro
That country is in really poor shape, if the hard left gets into power they really don't have anything else left to steal unless they start expropriating, not so sure the people there would tolerate that (maybe they will when you consider they are the country with the most taxes)


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 05:28:02 [Preview] No.28624 del
>>28616
Will Brexit happen at all?

>>28618
Another economical setback can be expected?


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 16:17:06 [Preview] No.28632 del
>will bregzit happen at all?
sure,
on the satanic holiday of halloween


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 21:59:42 [Preview] No.28641 del
>>28624
There won't be a large crisis unless they make some abrupt and major decision. The problem is that if they repeat what was done in Kirchner years (and Macri failed to reverse) there will be no cure for the malaise that left the country in its present state.


Bernd 08/14/2019 (Wed) 05:35:30 [Preview] No.28643 del
>>28641
What is the present state of Argentina? I know crises follow each other in the past few decades and I know that in the historical perspective Argentina was a promising country back in the day. But I have no precise knowledge on what's happening.
Also Argentina white.


Bernd 08/17/2019 (Sat) 03:17:57 [Preview] No.28694 del
>>28643
They were in a comfortable position at the beginning of the 20th century but then got outpaced by everyone else. The country went through the same phases as the rest of the continent -populist nationalism in the middle, juntas and then liberal reform, with a decay of uncompetitive industries built up in the previous two periods- but with a high overall level of political instability, nonstop coups and a tradition of populism. Nowadays despite its higher HDI and GDP per capita it's in some respects less developed than Brazil.
From what I heard of Kirchner at the time of her rule she had the usual populist approach to the country's usual high inflation and debt problems aswell as clashes with agribusiness and manipulation of economic data. At the time of her downfall there was already an acute crisis. Under Macri the situation looked promising for a while and then collapsed again.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 13:58:33 [Preview] No.28734 del
So Salvini got busted, what will happen next could be either very interesting or mundane.
Isn't democracy beautiful?


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 15:26:11 [Preview] No.28735 del
>>28734
As for now, nothing is decided. It's possible they can't form a coalition.
But I'm little out of the loop what led to the dissolution of the previous govt. It was the League and the 5star I remember.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 16:25:28 [Preview] No.28737 del
Boris Yeltsin gives parliament more holidays. That's all.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 17:13:07 [Preview] No.28739 del
>>28737
>Boris Yeltson


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 18:58:25 [Preview] No.28746 del
(193.58 KB 519x496 1566824761901.png)
>>28734
Hungarian media was screeching this morning how the Left has no backbone and you can't trust them.
They bet on Italy being on their side as a big country in EU issues and now it looks like they'll have to crawl back to the EPP.
German hegemony will continue, you're welcome.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 19:16:04 [Preview] No.28747 del
>>28746
Not that Italy had much say in things. Salvini is only good for giving inspiration to the left-liberal media so they can write all those nice articles which is used to scare people with the boogeyman of fascism. Frankly this is the sole use of the populist European parties.


EU could declare no-deal Brexit a major natural disaster Bernd 09/02/2019 (Mon) 18:56:36 [Preview] No.28867 del
Anglo-Saxon existance declared calamity

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/eu-could-declare-no-deal-brexit-as-major-natural-disaster
https://archive.fo/kW0qr

EU could declare no-deal Brexit a major natural disaster

>Move would allow members to draw on emergency fund for floods, fires and earthquakes
>The EU is considering whether to categorise a no-deal Brexit as a major natural disaster akin to flooding, fires or earthquakes, a move that would release emergency funds to the member states most affected.
>The plan would allow EU officials to distribute cash from the bloc’s solidarity fund, set up in 2002 in response to that year’s severe weather. About €500m (£450m) can be accessed every year but unspent cash from the previous year is also available if required.


Bernd 09/02/2019 (Mon) 19:13:08 [Preview] No.28869 del
>>28867
>Anglo-Saxon existance declared calamity
Finally. Better late than never.
I think this fund will be safe. They'll just postpone Brexit permanently.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 00:29:04 [Preview] No.28879 del
(857.11 KB 800x1167 Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg)


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 16:50:46 [Preview] No.28897 del
Watching 5 minutes of BBC suffices to laugh at the absolute state of the not so united kingdom. Top tier comedy.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 18:36:03 [Preview] No.28902 del
Austria preparing for parliamentary elections this month. This is a snap one, the governing coalition crumbled it seems just the same as in Italy, what's going on???. I dunno what do they expect, the last govt was a ÖVP-FPÖ coalition, judging by the polls the next one can only be another ÖVP-FPÖ coalition...
The usual short who-is-who:
ÖVP - Conservatives, if the FPÖ weren't they would be called Nazis.
SPÖ - Socies.
FPÖ - Literally Hitler. The usual right wing populist who gets the fascist label. I don't know too much about Austrian politics (I know this was Haider's party) but I would place them between the Fidesz and the Jobbik and the palette.
Die Grünen - Greens, liberal, because it's so trendy now.
NEOS - A fairly new liberal party. They managed to pick a colour for themselves which almost rivals the Deutsche Telekom's in ugliness.
JETZT - Newest party, also green but more on the left than the Grünen.
Several female leading politicians and chairwomen participating in this election, but I'm not impressed, they are too old and too... Austrian looking.

We're gonna have election too, in October, a municipal one. I expect wide Fidesz success. Budapest is the most important place ofc, not sure how that will play out, liberals and socialists are both strong there.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 18:37:03 [Preview] No.28903 del
>>28902
*Fidesz and the Jobbik on the palette.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 19:15:47 [Preview] No.28906 del
>>28902
Switzerland has regular elections in October, I'll make a post about it.
West-Australia-Hungary has snap elections, because FPÖ was stupid enough to get caught doing stupid things (Ibiza video). Kurz threw out Strache and literally Hitler Kickl. Kickl dindu nuffin, so FPÖ left the coalition and voted against Kurz as revenge, so he wasn't chancellor the last few months. That gave him more time to do campaigning. Compared to other rightwing populists the FPÖ are literally literal nazis, founded by ex-nazis, with the goal to rejoin Groß-Deutschland. Jetzt isn't a new party, just a rebrand of Liste Pilz. They made it into the parliament last elections as Liste Pilz. Pilz left the Green party because they didn't want him as candidate and he wasn't progressive enough. After a few months Pilz was me too'd as allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. Greens and NEOS are the only parties that aren't corrupt (they didn't had the chance yet as they were always in the opposition). Austria is pretty corrupt and centralized compared to Switzerland and Germany.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 20:05:14 [Preview] No.28907 del
(37.15 KB 640x773 suisse.png)
Switzerland has a two chamber system. Each canton has a number of seats corresponding to its number of inhabitants in the national assembly and 2 seats in the council of states. Swiss electoral districts correspond to the Cantons. So center parties usually win the seats in small cantons for the national assembly and the 2 seats for the 2nd chamber. This doesn't correspond to the percentage each party gets, but that's how it works. This led to the situation that the national assembly was center-right and council of states was center-left. So the parliament looks for solutions that appeal to a majority with compromises, because it has to survive facultative referendums too.
SVP/UDC - the mother of successful rightwing populist in Europe, libertarian, anti-EU, pro-farmers, throws out every one who sympathizes with literal nazis of the party
SP/PS - Socialist, doesn't suffer from weakness from German sister party, as they found a new voter base in the big cities and people who work in the public sector
FDP/PLR - Liberals, the old lady of Swiss parties, neoliberal pro business policies, came under pressure because they didn't care enough about the environment
CVP/PDC - Catholics, party in the middle, so you can't make new laws without them, they fell out of fashion
Greens - progressive environmentalists, has a number of organic farmers in their ranks, so they get votes in the countryside too
Green-liberals - a spin-off of former Greens, because the party was too socialist for them, attracts voters in the middle, pro homo marriage
BDP/PBD - not going to bother explaining, they are going to vanish, they missed the opportunity to unite with the Catholics into a new middle party


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 22:08:09 [Preview] No.28908 del
they're going to have a new election
oh dog


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 00:20:39 [Preview] No.28909 del
(304.43 KB 1914x2048 I sleep.jpg)
Meanwhile in Britain


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 01:08:40 [Preview] No.28911 del
>>28739
The other day my mother asked me about what was happening in the UK with the Russian man that was ruining everything. I was really confused until I realized that she thought Boris was Russian.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 05:32:44 [Preview] No.28913 del
(272.80 KB 284x240 Risitas_loses_it.webm)
>>28911
Laughed out loud.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 05:34:39 [Preview] No.28914 del
>>28908
Those fuckers with their elections all the tiem.

>>28909
He is in alpha state so he can concentrate all his brain capacity on Brexit. I heard he is very smart so Britain's problem will be solved in no time.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 07:41:20 [Preview] No.28917 del
>>28914
Well he has also stated he would prefer migrants from outside the EU. Quite frankly, he's just a boomer. He'd love to kill the minimum wage and flood the country with cheap labour that sleep under the bridges or in camps.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=66gSYseg5jI [Embed]


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 08:08:58 [Preview] No.28918 del
>Hong Kong leader to meet key demand of protesters and kill bill

https://archive.fo/DUtVr
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests/hong-kong-leader-to-meet-key-demand-of-protesters-and-kill-bill-idUSKCN1VP05B

>Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam will announce on Wednesday the formal withdrawal of an extradition bill

is this the glasnost and perestroika of Communist China?
Are we seeing the end?


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 14:08:22 [Preview] No.28919 del


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 14:08:50 [Preview] No.28920 del
>>28918
i mean it feels more like Gorbachev = Drumph


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 17:37:09 [Preview] No.28922 del
>>28906
But who would be eligible coalition partner? With the numbers right now it very much seems like the FPÖ the only one for the ÖVP. Or the FPÖ only has problems with Kurz?
>FPÖ are literally literal nazis, founded by ex-nazis, with the goal to rejoin Groß-Deutschland
Wow. How's this allowed.
Btw thanks for the clarifications. I'm not sure what's going on over at the neighbours.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 18:21:31 [Preview] No.28923 del
>>28918
I dunno the actual role of HK in China and their level of autonomy which they obviously have some if they can enact or retract such laws and China even needs extradition agreement to get criminals out of there. Maybe they can reach full autonomy if not independence in time. Anyway they approved the withdrawal of the bill so it's a sign of compliance, softening. Will protests rise in other parts of China in the future?

>>28917
What I know of British politics, I wouldn't be a British voter either... What's the right choice??? Man.

>>28907
What's the role of the council?


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 19:06:54 [Preview] No.28924 del
>>28918
>>28923
Hong Kong was promised full internal autonomy and the preservation of its institutions until 2047, it's a given that the mainland will assume total power at some point. However the CCP is hasty and wants to take over decades in advance. The local government is their puppet and implements Beijing's gradual takeover. However Beijing&the vassal government's latest move met a lot of resistance so they're taking a step back and waiting for the situation to cool down before they resume the takeover.


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 00:38:33 [Preview] No.29050 del
(245.59 KB 900x1200 EEEB3B7WkAY9yFc.jpg)
pepe edit requested


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 11:08:25 [Preview] No.29059 del
100 years of the treaty of Saint Germain, which sealed the official end of the Austria-Hungary empire. De facto it was already dead, but this made it official on an international level. France was so busy getting their revenge against Germany, that they forgot to claim any reparations from Austria. It defined the new borders of Austria and made them recognize new funny states. Who knew that some shitty war between Austria and Russia would have such consequences. Hungary was dealt with a bit later in the treaty of Tri-anon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Saint-Germain-en-Laye_(1919)


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 13:31:40 [Preview] No.29060 del
>>29059
A blessed day.


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 15:35:07 [Preview] No.29061 del
(32.46 KB 680x354 murrican-borders.png)
>>29050
We're gonna need more info on what you want. What you really really want.

>>29059
>the negotiators on the Allied side, particularly Wilson, did not understand when speaking of self-determination that no convenient line could be drawn to separate intermingled nationalities


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 16:43:32 [Preview] No.29062 del


Bernd 09/11/2019 (Wed) 19:06:58 [Preview] No.29075 del
>>28918
Protesters are criminals, wanting autonomy and/or independence is colonialism, China is freedom. Proofs:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468508-hong-kong-protests-violent/


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 05:38:29 [Preview] No.29080 del
why is it so fat though


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 05:43:09 [Preview] No.29082 del
>>29080
Because:
1. It got fat on Jewgold
2. It got fat on the sweat of Eastern Euros.
3. It looks like a five pointed star. It only needs a little red.


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 21:50:57 [Preview] No.29083 del
(90.21 KB 993x275 bundestag.jpg)
>>29080
>why is it so fat though

American influence, consequences of WW2.


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 22:03:08 [Preview] No.29085 del
>>29080
Now that the eagle is pacifistic it never flies and just stays on its cage eating all day.

>>29075
>“Liberate from whom?” I asked a cluster of protesters, all of them in ninja outfits, metal bars in their hands, black scarves covering their faces.
Very deep question from a country that specializes in liberation.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 05:25:58 [Preview] No.29087 del
>>29083
Noice.

>>29085
Gilded cage.
>Very deep question from a country that specializes in liberation.
Yes, they know all the nooks of liberation. So precise inquiries are expected.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 11:03:42 [Preview] No.29091 del
>>29075
Isn't china benefitting hong kong already with massive sea trade? I know hong kong was a colony so much anti imperialism mene fits that but it doesnt seem like a very pragmatic decision.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 14:21:12 [Preview] No.29093 del
>>29091
They most likely benefit from Hong Kong yes. This would make them want to keep that city at a cost that would still allow them to rack up profit. However giving after giving full autonomy the next demand would be independence. It always is, look at Catalonia. What's up with Pigmond there btw? Is he in jail?
I think protesters look at democracies for support, they don't want to be a colony again or something, but in our day an age, that's very unlikely scenario.


Bernd 09/14/2019 (Sat) 02:05:29 [Preview] No.29099 del


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 02:53:48 [Preview] No.29157 del
le dab


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:31:07 [Preview] No.29160 del
(244.42 KB 1200x1600 rms-sad-2.jpg)
Richard Matthew "the rms" Stollman resigned from Free Software foundation (and from some MIT lab too) because modern thought police found him discussing some MIT scientist in Epstein scandal. With multiple taken out of context quotes (although he always was pretty radical and asocial in his discussions anyway).

Such win for diversity, inclusion and freedom.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20990583
https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation)


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:38:42 [Preview] No.29161 del
>>29160
Yeah the modern thing is to leave people with only binary choices. He seems rather liberal/libertarian to me where he doesn't want corporations dictating behavior and of course he's very autistic.
God forbid a man have such an opinion. Ultimately the age of consent and adulthood are really pretty arbitrary but in a modern society things are more or less necessary for various reasons. This cancel culture shit is getting a bit ridiculous at this point because they're literally eating their own more and more.


SAGE Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:40:14 [Preview] No.29162 del
>>29160
>Stollman

Stallman, of course


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 15:51:28 [Preview] No.29163 del
>>29162
Richard "Neverin" Stallman you mean.

>>29160
He's a liberal socialist. I think this term describes well those people in America, who are called liberals and bushing equality agenda besides freedom (and a bunch of them in very radical fashion). It seems to me the same people pressured him to leave whom he spent his life to help with his FSF and GNU and such.
I don't get it these SJW people, why they care if one fucks a 17 yo grill? I'd assume they all for things as lowering age of consent and such. They should celebrate it instead. It's not even pedophilia. So I should assume not even liberal socialists pushing him out but the liberal conservatives (yes that's a thing now, liberalism != progressivism)?

>>29160
Judging by that he doesn't leave just resigns as a president. I dunno if he wrote a line of code these days or just traveled and popularized his ideas


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 20:11:04 [Preview] No.29166 del
>>29163
>liberal socialists
>liberal conservatives
Both are totalitarian oppressive social formations disguised in liberty clothes.


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 20:34:02 [Preview] No.29167 del
>>29166
Well everyone is. It's inherent nature of every political group of trying to expropriate the exclusive right for making decisions. So saying they're authoritarian, means nothing.
But we should make it clear what we are talking about because I sense you are somewhat confused what's what. For me it's a little gnawed to the bone and our regulars here probably also get bored by me always saying the same thing, but there's always a confused newcomer.

So.
Let's ignore left-right dichotomy for now, but let's take a look at the conservative-progressive one. Because the antithesis of conservative is not liberal, but progressive. Conservatives stick to the usual norms, progressives are looking at new possibilities.
Liberalism, socialism and nationalism are the three big main political ideologies which emerged during the so called age of enlightenment. At that time when the norm was feudal society, economy, and Christian Universalism, they were the bearer of progressive ideas. Noteworthy: these three ideologies aren't mutually exclusive, frankly they work best together.
Sadly nationalism was dropped after 1945 and the world was divided into liberal and a socialist camps. Then the biggest proponent of socialism collapsed and many converted to liberalism. Nationalism became a fringe ideology.
If we take a look at the United States we see two liberal parties competing with each other. Yes. Both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. They were during the Cold War, they are now. Except one supports a more classical from of liberalism, the other as a progressive line they took socialist phrases into their ideological toolset. This makes one side liberal (conservative), the other liberal socialist (progressive).
The end.


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 21:09:11 [Preview] No.29168 del
>>29163
>He's a liberal socialist. I think this term describes well those people in America, who are called liberals and bushing equality agenda besides freedom (and a bunch of them in very radical fashion). It seems to me the same people pressured him to leave whom he spent his life to help with his FSF and GNU and such.

He is more like old-school hippie/commie combination, and his equality agenda is pretty plain and soft compared to modern internet abominations. Of course he is "close" to that movement ideologically, but he was more solid and rational in his views. At least he didn't propagate diversity for the sake of diversity and other #killdawhitey thing. And even had some classic hacker-male style with nerdish jokes and social ineptness, not like modern hipster-like bearded monkeys.

>I don't get it these SJW people, why they care if one fucks a 17 yo grill?

Shitstorm started not with age of consent thing, but rape thing. Stallman autistically analyzed situation with Minsky (that MIT guy), pointing that he may not know that these women were forced to do something and be underage. Most of discussion in media is taken out of context, although he openly presented libertarian views about topic in past (i.e. if two people want it, it is ok). They actually started to point at his old views when readers noticed that context thing.

>I dunno if he wrote a line of code these days or just traveled and popularized his ideas

He didn't do anything serious code-related for years. Emacs and GCC are maintained by other people, most of GNU tools are small and unnoticeable now (maybe except coreutils, but hey), and FSF positions are pretty shaky nowadays. Software world is slowly moved to corporation-sponsored "Open source" instead of classic Stallman's "Free software", GPL is going down and BSD/MIT licensing is growing. Most of large projects already made by large entities, and people stopped care about software freedoms (in Stallman terms) at all. This is offtopic discussion though.

I'm understanding Stallman's position, he could tell critics to fuck off, but in 2019 it is not allowed, when half of software-related userbase are SJWs, and other half are afraid to talk. Going into opposition means marginalizing FSF even more, and FSF is a "magnum opus" for Stallman, so he decided to resigns to save it. His left-leaning views are also influenced this decision, because it is hard to push back when you are attacked from "own" side.

Although we already have conspiracy here: http://techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/


Bernd 09/19/2019 (Thu) 05:28:59 [Preview] No.29181 del
>>29168
the sjws adopted stallman as a hero because linux and it's related products were attractive to the anti-corporate crowd back in the days when computer operating systems were making a lot of money and microsoft was "big evil".


Bernd 09/19/2019 (Thu) 15:36:37 [Preview] No.29186 del
>>29168
That clarifies a lot. Thanks.



Top | Return | Catalog | Post a reply