>a sizable number of people who do identify as classic liberals in who have been participating in this debate. Particularly a gathered around a few former new atheism movement figures who didn't go SJW or alt right.
I have ended into that spectrum mostly because both extremes are the two sides of the same coin. I have found both as regressive or not fitting to my manners. Things should be determined by common sense, but propaganda is the first step, logic and personality comes after.
It´s nice to see that you have noticed them and make the separation between socialists and liberals, it´s really annoying to see that things go between black and white in the net. Everybody in the spectrum has something right and everybody have really big fuck ups but I guess some like to make more noise than others.

Nobody is free of sins here but I guess higher criticism to what we do, prevents us to do stupid actions before the regrets that could come afterwards