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>I know over here I started to notice it with gammergate, most of this people who got caught up in it were either apolitical or normal social liberal lefties who where completely blindsided by being attacked from the left, especially when they weren't even for the scandal.
it´s not a bad event to point out and rely on it as a starting point for all of this. I would say this was getting ready a couple of years before that, but I can see why one notices those consequences with such a clear event like Gamergate. It was manipulated by the vidya journalism and one who wants to play a game, the least one desires is talking about politics again. If one plays a video game, that public mostly wants to pass politics for that time, just getting mindless entertainment. By putting artificial claims and stereotypes over gamers, it opened Pandora´s box. You get repulsive reactions for breaking their interests and their fantastical bubble by inserting politics stuff all over it. The left went even more aggressive than ultra catholics...what a great achievement.

>Leftism was always supposed to be permissive and lack rules while conservatism was supposed to be rigid and censorious.
it was to be that counterpoint. However, they have changed their principles and I wonder when it actually started. Some say that the left changed their discourse in the 90s, when they thought that communism was dead and when Berlin´s wall fell. From there, they saw that they didn´t attract the voters anymore, so they had to jump onto something else. Instead of being permissive, it went backwards, jumping onto more totalitarian decisions with a politically correct mask.

>Same true with a normal multicultural supporting European who experiences friction with immigrants, then later slander for even being slightly critical or concerned. Suddenly all these wild conspiracies seem quite appealing or at least possible and the institutions that you used to trust (media, academic) discredit themselves so much on it, that you figure they must be wrong on other things too. Radicalism, confusion, sadness, and disillusionment with everything is all a given.
yep, you nailed it. Those are not conspiracies, those are truths that they want to hide, parts of it that want they desire to get rid of their existence, pretend that the left doesn´t do anything wrong. That the immigration goes just fine and that not tolerating their decisions, leads into ad hominems like fascists words when you are not even close to that.
Those conspiracies are being taken by far right groups and, what do you do against them? you cannot prove them wrong for showing that underground side that the official system doesn´t want to admit. You either don´t trust on the system anymore and find it too corrupt and decide to jump onto the far right parties because no other parties or voices claim that. If you do, they will point at you for being intolerant and incorrect. That discourse doesn´t work anymore and it´s huge irresponsibility from the left for trying to push those frictions and tensions over that topic.

Then they complain about the far right rising in all the countries.... Do something!Check what you are doing wrong! But no, they are too blinded and in denial to understand it (either corrupted or stupid, either way, the results are the same). No wonder, they deserve an all time low in votes and a slap in the face. Check Sweden and in a near future, my country. Socialism doesn´t work these days. Either they change or say hi to the right wing monopoly for a long time...for very understandable reasons. People are getting tired and have received enough info to notice what´s going on in general.