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Anonymous 07/03/2020 (Fri) 20:11:39 [Preview] No. 389
I think anime has been on the decline and I wanted to find the cause. Obviously these are just my thoughts but I've came to the conclusion that it is in fact K-On that killed anime Why is this? Well before K-On A lot of show had different and unique feeling to them. Think of slice of life, I.e Great teacher Onizuka, Futakoi, Azumanga Daioh, Pani poni dash, Haibane Renmei, Cromartle high school. All of these have differing executions too them which makes them all distinct. K-On ruined this, Not because of the moe, Azumanga daioh can technically be classified as Moe. But the actual reason is because it started the trend of CGDCT anime which has killed all of the competing slice of life genres due to it's oversaturation and ease of making money. We'll never see something like a modern GTO due to moral corruption and decadance, We'll never see a pure romance, We'll never have dumb comedies. Nothing more than the same recycled shit is all we got now. Which is how the industries worked in the past. However it's never been this extreme. K-On enters the picture because CGDCT makes easy money and all you have to have is pretty visual without any substance or heart to back it up. The endless consumers eat this shit up because he's an enemy of all that is just.


Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 01:58:27 [Preview] No.390 del
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Copying was always a problem in Japanese cultural products. Back in the '90s people were crying about Evangelion clones. And Evangelion was a tongue-in-cheek clone of previous mecha shows to begin with.
wasn't the late '00s simply the time when most anime enthusiasts finally got broadband and were able to stay up to date with the ever-current season? Blu-Ray wasn't adopted to the same extent as DVDs and people also got smartphones. Packaged media started dying, (legal) streaming began.
Also, consider that China took over Japan as the second biggest economy in 2008 and that K-Pop has exploded in the early '10s. Japan just stopped being competitive. Dubs in the USA stopped being made, cons started collapsing. Also
there was the depression and now there's another one.

I also like your point about the technological change on the production side. Don't forget about Korean and later Vietnamese outsourcing either... oh CGDCT means "cute girls doing cute things"... nonetheless there was the technological change of CG.

One could even add the effects of Abenomics, the entering in to the workforce of women and the re-entry of elderly people. The build-up of the military and the subtle but growing propaganda around it. All these economical and political trends revved up the amount of incels coming in the market. Anime was made by well-situated graduates of prestigious art and humanities schools now it's done by gig-economy hand-to-mouth subsistence incels for similar incels. It took a long time for the 20th century to end in Japan but it finally did and the middle class dies with it. Expect pre WWI West level of bachelorhood and the associated problems.

It's over. Japan will never be comfy again.


Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 02:29:00 [Preview] No.391 del
I actually like current anime, I'm watching more now than ever before.

>>390
Copying is a feature of all media throughout all time. Nothing is ever new, it's always an iteration of what came before.

>Expect pre WWI West level of bachelorhood and the associated problems.

That's actually simply based on a phenomenon the west cannot understand and thus exaggerates and twists. The Sexless Japan thing isn't what they make it out to be, it's simply caused by the Japanese not really having a culture of dating(casual sex) like we do in the west, hence the age of virginity stays quite high, often being similar or a bit lower than the age at which they are getting married.


Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 07:27:42 [Preview] No.392 del
>>390
>Copying was always a problem in Japanese cultural products. Back in the '90s people were crying about Evangelion clones. And Evangelion was a tongue-in-cheek clone of previous mecha shows to begin with.
wasn't the late '00s simply the time when most anime enthusiasts finally got broadband and were able to stay up to date with the ever-current season? Blu-Ray wasn't adopted to the same extent as DVDs and people also got smartphones. Packaged media started dying, (legal) streaming began.
Also, consider that China took over Japan as the second biggest economy in 2008 and that K-Pop has exploded in the early '10s. Japan just stopped being competitive. Dubs in the USA stopped being made, cons started collapsing. Also there was the depression and now there's another one.
Anime has really hit rock bottom recently. Sure I agree that copying is a problem. However there is a difference between copying some elements of a show and blatantly ripping off a previous work. I think people need to understand that. While obviously it depends on the degree and the amount of elements taken. For instance harem anime usually borrow entire character archetypes, similar plot points, usually add their own specific gimmick and call it a day. It makes harem anime feel similar with no distinction to tell them apart. As an example I'll show how a harem anime could be handled.
>MC isn't a completely pussy
>Girls all get a backstory and each one gets explored.
>Make MC help each girl and her problem.
>Tension between the girls to see who can get the MC
>Try to avoid character stereotypes. I.e tsundere kicking MC these are good to build off of but if you don't build then nothing of value comes from them.
>Make the MC actually choose one half way through the show.
Obviously there are multiple different ways you can do this. One way is giving the characters two personality quirks. I.e Girl A is Mischievous but also caring, Girl B is acting stupid but also surprisingly smart Girl C is serious but also condescending. Give them a flaw and a strength and you can build from there. Most authors just use character stereotypes and it get's boring.

>I also like your point about the technological change on the production side. Don't forget about Korean and later Vietnamese outsourcing either... oh CGDCT means "cute girls doing cute things"... nonetheless there was the technological change of CG.
Technological change exacerbates the problem. The problem with CGDCT anime is that they are simple to make and require little effort from the author other than an outlandish premise. It makes things feel the same, The other side of the coin i.e light novels also does damage to the scene with endless amounts of shows with similar premises all executed the same way. Nothing new and refreshing ever comes and the changes in production makes people be safe and not try anything new and distinct.

Anime Youtubers are a problem as well. As they overthink the shit out of modern anime in order to justify there love for them. It's honestly pathetic. To the point where I'm just watching older anime rather than trying anything new.


>It's over. Japan will never be comfy again.
It's not impossible but considering the lack of quality of modern anime it's certainly a possibility.


Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 09:55:44 [Preview] No.393 del
Cute girls can't be the reason why anime is shit. Events like embed related are celebrated like superbowl every year there. They WANT this stuff.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=7zofrFBwJ3A


Anonymous 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:01:57 [Preview] No.397 del
>>391

>That's actually simply based on a phenomenon the west cannot understand and thus exaggerates and twists. The Sexless Japan thing isn't what they make it out to be, it's simply caused by the Japanese not really having a culture of dating(casual sex) like we do in the west, hence the age of virginity stays quite high, often being similar or a bit lower than the age at which they are getting married.

That's literally what was happening in late 19th century and early 20th century America and Europe. And it still means that guys are not getting sex while they would like to i.e. they're incels.
And I'd argue that Japan is ahead of the curve and chads are having a ton of sex. Maybe there are less promiscous women but they're 1, women, 2, asian so why would I believe what they say on surveys?


Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 01:24:39 [Preview] No.398 del
>>397
It's what happened in Europe from the middle ages onward until the modern times. It's really not new, the age at which people did this sort of thing always used to be high as sex before marriage was shunned.



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