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Films, tv-shows and related media Bernd 01/01/2020 (Wed) 18:08:25 [Preview] No. 33703 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
The previous thread is at 499 posts, on the brink of autosage. So I open up a new one, because I have a thing to discuss as well with Bernd. But first thing first.

Finally I wanna watch these in their entirety, a series of Japanese films from the 70s The Yakuza Papers or Battles Without Honor And Humanity - which is also the title of the very first one.
I think the first five (what I'm planning on consuming) cover one full story, based on an OG yak's memoirs, published in a newspaper first. Then they made another three in the 70s, all standalone, and three more, two of them in this millennia.
They are in a certain subgenre of yakuza movies, which were fresh breeze at that time with their more realistic narrative and breakup with the "honorable samurai" romanticism of the previous era. They are also filmed in a documentary style, with handheld shaky cameras, and sometimes they even timestamp certain events as the movie plays - as far as I can tell based on the first one which I seen (but will rewatch).
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Bernd 09/20/2020 (Sun) 07:35:53 [Preview] No.40190 del
Actually Bill Murray can be the grey anon.
For ausneets get a boong (abo) from them, there's a couple they repost sometimes, but just ask.
Bonbi for bgg I do agree.
Yeah, Spede.
The imouto/yuri question is solved then.
/argentina/ doesn't really have traffic, /404/ is a very fresh board.
/rapport/ deserves a place there, maybe a chick from one of their banners, problem is they post "real" people (for example Spede, isn't really the actor, but an imaginary assburger).

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 05:20:54 [Preview] No.40196 del

I have most of the images that have been suggested. Please gimme some time to work on it

>Actually Bill Murray can be the grey anon.

I'm just looking for a good front picture of grey anon to work on it

>/rapport/ deserves a place there, maybe a chick from one of their banners

idk. I was probably going to make a post on the /operate/ thread about this. Problem is that I don't think a lot of people go there

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 05:26:32 [Preview] No.40198 del
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Other boards we could add, based on the other top boards

/co/ - Batman?
/pol/ - a newsperson?
/tech/ - Terry Davis This one I want to add as a joge
/v/ - the angry video game drawing guy that always shows up? idk

I guess it would also be good to know exactly what boards has active users here who are interested

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 05:30:05 [Preview] No.40199 del
Also it's Endchan Movie Corner, pls change the title too.
>/operate/ thread about this. Problem is that I don't think a lot of people go there
Barely anyone goes there. Users have to be sought out on their preferred boards. Tho you might wanna post there just to make it "official".

I can give you a list about the active boards. Or about boards with short notes what's going on with them. In the evening, now I don't have the time.

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 22:11:18 [Preview] No.40212 del
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>Also it's Endchan Movie Corner, pls change the title too.

>I can give you a list about the active boards. Or about boards with short notes what's going on with them. In the evening, now I don't have the time.

Oghey. I'll be around

Here's what I have for now as a draft. I can just morph Bill Murray's body into grayskin and go from there. Yes, the hands need some work. /rapport/ can just suggest a girl and I can add her to the right as the blond girl or to the left as the black haired girl

idk. There's some spots left that can look natural inside the sub. There's also space outside as an eel.

Current boards in - /kc/, /tech/, /ausneets/, /yuri/, /imouto/, and /bbg/

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Why were the ottomans so successful? Bernd 09/05/2020 (Sat) 02:19:32 [Preview] No. 39794 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
This is something that isn't logical to me. From what i've read, the ottomans was a bunch of nomads invading anatolia, tamerlane defeated them soundly, they managed to take Constantinople and then became the big threat to christianity. How did they do it? How could they raise so much men, hundreds of thousands, time and time again?

Doesn't really make any sense to me.
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Bernd 09/19/2020 (Sat) 10:22:19 [Preview] No.40183 del
Fun thing that much of that economical growth is not perceivable in any way, only on charts and numbers written on whatever statistics and presentations. And the hills of trash piling up signalling the result of consuming for economic growth.

Bernd 09/19/2020 (Sat) 11:23:41 [Preview] No.40185 del
When we think of technology most see it as a machine or a tool. Jacques Ellul saw it as technique, a force of nature, a view of the world always striving for efficiency. The machines itself are irrelevant to the worldview. So for examples, there are some demonstration somewhere, and someone light up a car. There will be an outcry over the burned car but no reaction that the police broke somehands arm or of the protest itself. We have replaced god, nature and holy things and instead we are worshiping technology.

And I see Rome the same way, everything they did was for technique, they wanted to subjugate nature, always strove towards more efficiency. Everything was standardized. The boats was standardized, the weapons, the training, the streets, the buildings.


I can recommend that channel and especially his series the end of technique.

Bernd 09/19/2020 (Sat) 11:26:41 [Preview] No.40186 del
That's the linear "progressive" thinking isn't it? Why can't we use milk glass bottles and re use it, instead of using plastic crap? It's the faustian bargain, to what price comes technology?

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 15:38:58 [Preview] No.40201 del
The question remains the same for Turkbernd. What was the political landscape like in the time of Osman and Orhan?

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 22:03:53 [Preview] No.40211 del
>What was the political landscape like in the time of Osman and Orhan?

I guess we'll never know

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Tech Thread Bernd 05/16/2018 (Wed) 18:34:14 [Preview] No. 16528 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Newest Edition, with less Ghork.

First thing first:
That dude of the Primitive Technology channel and all his copycats have a great advantage: access to unlimited supply of bamboo. Unlimited to their objectives. That stuff is great, tuff as shit, light as feather, can be used to many purpose with little modification and not too much work.

I also read most of this:
I think technology and it's use are running forward and lawmakers lag behind. Those who spent any time in the past two decades on the internet have a giant heap of data about them. I think Bernd posted a video about a security eggsbert, I think he works kind of a private investigator many time cooperating with officials and he said in that video anonymizing data worth nothing it can be de-anonymized with ease, and both companies and govt agencies do.
Now this law was passed at 2016. This year the EU countries have to start implementing it. Who knows how long it takes until it finishes. The whole stuff is kinda vague (it can be modified when necessary tho), and I don't know for example how the EU can force a foreign company to do whatever? There are sanctions but what jurisdiction the EU has over a US based firm for example Facebook and how the EU will force the sanctions onto for example said company?
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Bernd 09/18/2020 (Fri) 22:01:30 [Preview] No.40174 del
Well, similar ideas have been implemented in the past, so you can just use them as a reference if you decide to move forward with it tbh

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 15:54:50 [Preview] No.40203 del
I gave some thoughts to the design.
First I will rename it to Oriental Wisdom Generator, simply because the design will be more liek a generic East Asian theme, with "chinkified" Latin fonts and such. Also these seemingly nonsense proverbs and wisdoms actually fit into Zen which oftentimes use cryptic lines to unbalance the listener in the hope of achieving enlightenment in a second. And Zen is all about not just in China.

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 20:23:46 [Preview] No.40208 del
This book seems to make a lot of sense actually. I'm currently digging a 3x4x2m hole in the country. Progress is about 5cm/2hr of work/day, but recently I've hit clay or some similar material which is hard to scrap trough. Further digging will be needed for external stuff, but for now I need to focus on the main part before it gets too cold. I now live in a tent and it's prety comfy, weather is still summery and nice. I plan to live in my test underground house for a winter or two and then if it's livable get more land which is closer to city where I also have a place to stay and many friendo's as country is 100km away rn and that a bit exhausting on a bike. Any of you have interest in cheap diy underground living? pics from about half a month ago

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 20:42:24 [Preview] No.40209 del
I'm not interested myself living in one, but I'm curious how others do that. If you have more photos feel free to share that along with your insights and experiences.
I read that all over Siberia houses dug into the ground were used to live in. The trenches were very deep and they actually built log houses inside them.
>hit clay
Yes, the soil is layered and below the top crop layer it is more homogeneous and compacted, basically clay. Consider making pots too now you are at it.
Hereabout they used pits to create cool places to store foodstuff, like potato and veggies. Even built freezers (they insulated the pit and filled it with ice during winter), because as we dig lower the temperature become constant at one point (and warmer if we continue to dig).
I'm gonna make sure to check out the book you posted. Thanks.

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 20:43:39 [Preview] No.40210 del
Forgot. Be careful not to dig a grave for yourself instead of a house.

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Vidya Thread Bernd 07/31/2019 (Wed) 18:08:06 [Preview] No. 28357 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Since the previous reached bump limit.

Played some moar Atom RPG. I don't really have any coherent text drafted but some impressions, moments and such.

This game is depressing. It's like they extracted all the misery of the Soviet Union, ground it, added a hint mutants and monsters, then crammed it into one misery-sausage. Ofc there are funny lines and situations in there, always when you least expect. And you never expect them because the whole thing is so depressing.
NPC interactions are animated nicely. Heart warming meeting of father and daughter. Then they started to gossip about me.
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Bernd 09/15/2020 (Tue) 19:30:16 [Preview] No.40105 del
Is Viconia hot?
Sounds like the fox and one more skin they try to pull off of him.
I played with BG:EE, and I was all right with it. Not sure if can compare to that.

Bernd 09/15/2020 (Tue) 19:44:59 [Preview] No.40106 del
I personally liked DOS1 and I think DOS2 which I'm currently playing is a brilliant game, so I'm having high hopes for BG3. However, I don't expect it to be actual BG3, as you mentioned the story of Bhaalspawn is finished and it's also done by a completely different team. Rather I expect just a good game set in Forgotten Realms universe done by people who I think are competent.
I think I know what you mean by the humour and cartoony looks and I had a feeling they toned it down a lot in DOS2 compared to their previous Divinity games.
There are gameplays avaiable online of the game, did you watch any?

Bernd 09/15/2020 (Tue) 20:06:41 [Preview] No.40109 del
I am currently replaying DOS 2 and they indeed toned down the humor and cartooney looks a bit(some of those skeletal enemies were super memey). However a lot of it remained. Also wasn't a fan of their attempt as town building, which I fear they'll be taking to BG 3.

I did watch some combat gameplay and it seems almost identical to DOS2. No per rest spells/abilities(no resting at all in fact), no limited ammunition for projectile weapons though enchanted ammunition is making a comeback, exaggerated cartooney flashy melee combat and etc.

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I'm playing Ultimate Admiral DREADNOUGHT!!!!

It's not so great there isn't actually much you can do and fights take too long, everything keeps missing and even when it does hit it won't do much, I hit Torpedo boats with numerous 9 and 6 Inch shells and they did do hardly anything. But it's in Alpha so maybe it will change later.

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I think the only game with warships I played was the Silent Service. I learned to navigate solely with compass and map from that game. Good times.
I tried into submarine games published later on, but never had the patience for some reason (or was buggy).

Music Bernd 09/07/2020 (Mon) 15:53:11 [Preview] No. 39873 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Since the previous thread is autosäging, here's the new one.

This little faggot is making covers for all kinds of popular music.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Gd-jNKhTC8 [Embed]

Previously Venezuelaball posted some songs of a sludge metal band, Acid Bath. Managed to put my hands on some of their songs. Here's a couple I liked.
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Bernd 09/10/2020 (Thu) 05:39:39 [Preview] No.39924 del
What's the name of that genre.
Reminding me some 60-70s hippy music, but also would kinda expect to appear in Pulp Fiction or something. And in French.

Had a recommendation from this channel:
Some samples:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=q5LX3vjFr44 [Embed]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jN7BKc11Fqg [Embed]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7lenBynJkSg [Embed]
They also host some non music videos:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NkppxodNxvY [Embed]

...and link KC-tier articles on their About page:

Bernd 09/11/2020 (Fri) 13:24:58 [Preview] No.39967 del
This negro had a good voice

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FxYw0XPEoKE [Embed]

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 16:11:01 [Preview] No.40204 del
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Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 16:12:40 [Preview] No.40205 del
Different than expected.

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Regions of your country and the jist of who the people there are Bernd 06/25/2020 (Thu) 16:24:12 [Preview] No. 38067 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I'm just going to keep things as simple as possible here: summarise regions from your country or what you think of them with an image. No need to use any wojaks or other should-be dead memes if constructing an image for this.
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Bernd 06/26/2020 (Fri) 15:49:50 [Preview] No.38095 del
Might be because of the extremely harsh taxation measures during the mining period.

Bernd 06/26/2020 (Fri) 16:31:29 [Preview] No.38099 del
I know the portugese crown took a fifth but it was more than that?

20% isnt that much compared to the tax levels of today

Bernd 06/26/2020 (Fri) 17:59:50 [Preview] No.38102 del
I'm part of tea Europe.

Bernd 06/27/2020 (Sat) 01:55:11 [Preview] No.38105 del
>20% isnt that much compared to the tax levels of today
They didn't know the tax levels of today, just the tax levels of the 1700s, and taxation in the mining zone was more strictly enforced than the norm in the age. Insufficient quotas were filled through confiscations. Gold could only flow through a few routes (e.g. there was a potential river-based export route but it was banned). It was not a free area but tightly regulated. Residents in the diamond zone were treated even more despotically, goods and persons could only enter it through military checkpoints. The goods received extra taxation and individuals were forbidden from residing without a defined profession, as a matter of policy anyone not related to mining was unwelcome. Over time the Crown's grip tightened until it made diamond mining into its monopoly. Naturally there was a reaction which developed into nativistic sentiment and a revolutionary conspiracy. Maybe the independent mindset also comes from this.

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langeland confirmed for bedst

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Syria thread - Erdoğan edition Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 01:43:41 [Preview] No. 30865 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Erdogan has met Putin and ironed out the partition of northeastern Syria. He gets to keep everything he conquered and the rest stays with Assad. YPG retreats from a 30km strip along the border, leaving the bulk of Kurdish-populated areas. Russo-Turkish patrols guard the safe zone. The deal shows two things:
By inviting Assad the SDF have completely relinquished their sovereignty. This was why they were so relutanct to receive aid during Olive Branch. As long as Erdogan maintains good relations with Assad and Putin, YPG will no longer bother him. If, however, relations sour then he can even expect a repeat of the 90s, when Hafez sheltered Ocalan and allowed PKK to use Syria as its base of operations.
The deal was discussed with Putin, not Assad. It's also clear who calls the shots.

For locals conquered by Peace Spring, the problem is not Turkey itself but its Syrian rebel puppets, who are thugs and mistreat the population, as has already been the case in Afrin. For the war as a whole, peace is now closer. Once Idlib is sorted out, a simple deal with Turkey can grant Assad the whole country except for al-Tanf.
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This shit is hilarious:
>but the alliance quickly broke down over Ansar Dine’s insistence on imposing a strict version of Sharīʿah law in the region, which had traditionally embraced a more liberal and tolerant version of Islam.
>more liberal and tolerant version of Islam.

Bernd 09/20/2020 (Sun) 20:19:58 [Preview] No.40192 del
It's not easy to dig up info on the 2012 coup d'etat of Mali. But some nice pearls can be found out there.
From this article we can learn that the 2012 coup was done by low ranking officers and even enlisted soldiers. The leader was a captain (Amadou Sanogo), and their spokesman was a lieutenant. Now we can read about colonels related to this year's coup.
The army of Mali back then, was 7000 strong, this was reinforced through the years since then. Still considering it's pretty weak and have to cover a large country.
But more importantly the article says that the Tuareg rebellion - which led to the destabilization of the country and triggered the coup - was made possible by the arms the Tuareg fighters obtained in Libya's revolution which deposed and killed Gaddafi, and brought back home.
They link this article, which contains more info about this:
The Tuaregs gained considerable firepower. Beside their trusty Kalashnikovs now they could deploy machine guns, mortars, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weaponry. They also had first hand battle experience, and started the rebellion with about a thousand soldiers. It seems religious fanaticism also made them more dangerous. Mali's army proved to be impotent against them.
Gaddafi's role however is more deeper than this. Apparently his country played as a base camp, training center for Africa's rebellious groups for decades now. He also supported separatist and rebel movements all over the continent. Tuaregs themselves got their drills while visiting their Libyan cousins basically. In Mali Gaddafi also was a foreign benefactor who helped to develop the country, but the Arab Spring and his death resulted in a conflict still haven't resolved.
The article closes with a quote from a Malian lawmaker:
“The Westerners didn’t want Qaddafi, and they got rid of him, and they created problems for all of us,” he said. “When you chased Qaddafi out in that barbaric fashion, you created 10 more Qaddafis. The whole Saharo-Sahelian region has become unlivable.”

I also found an interesting website:
They published a few articles about Mali, I'm gonna check those sometimes. The site main profile is military news, so I'm hopeful.

Bernd 09/20/2020 (Sun) 22:51:11 [Preview] No.40195 del
Quite! Specially when you understand what it really means:
>more liberal and tolerant version of Islam.
I.e. moderate islam, i.e. western liberalism decorated with islamic motifs.

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 05:23:20 [Preview] No.40197 del
Nope. They just meant secular polity. The intention of the encyclopedia is the usual Western European liberal narration they try to justify importing over 9000 muslims with:
>these guys baaaaad muslims, they make war and shiet
>these guys good muslims, we have to take them in

Bernd 09/21/2020 (Mon) 05:37:34 [Preview] No.40200 del
Also it's just a divide Muslim countries can be cracked along, used in global politics, and goes back to the Cold War era when the SU and the US competed for influence. One side won those who would rule based on Sharia, the other side supported the seculars. In the next country it happened the other way around.

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Movies that suits the proper Bernd Bernd 09/12/2020 (Sat) 12:35:07 [Preview] No. 40011 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Watching this excellent movie whilst sipping on some exotic fanta

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mN3K_qXsor0 [Embed]

Bernd 09/12/2020 (Sat) 12:50:01 [Preview] No.40012 del
Post this in the movie thread.
Btw one does not watches Robinson Crusoe but reads it.

Bernd 09/12/2020 (Sat) 13:31:46 [Preview] No.40014 del
>Movies that suits the proper Bernd

Perhaps you carelessly avoided the topic

"Movies that suits the proper Bernd"

I dont find the other movie thread to be suitable for the kind of high quality movies I posted here.

Bernd 09/20/2020 (Sun) 20:28:21 [Preview] No.40194 del
Watched parasite (2019). Good movie. Makes you think.

womyn threda Bernd 01/19/2020 (Sun) 06:59:48 [Preview] No. 34117 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Let's talk women. What type do you find attractive? Are you desperate to make a mix race baby? Do you need a clever girl or thot who takes it up the chuff?
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Bernd 06/29/2020 (Mon) 20:45:36 [Preview] No.38161 del
In my concept that has always been a synonym for "fat".

Bernd 07/02/2020 (Thu) 04:27:00 [Preview] No.38269 del
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Also forgot the most important things, a womyns inside not her organs bernds. Just who she is in general fam

1) Browses kc and knows all of the EBIN memes(Spede, spurdo, etc)
2) enjoys serious discussions about the various haplotype groups
3) Has a disdain for the keins and joges
4) Likes Poland? Hates Poland? Likes Polish threads about Poland? Hides Polish threads? idk

Bernd 07/02/2020 (Thu) 05:57:13 [Preview] No.38273 del
Health of organs is important tho.
Good list. Low and realistic expectations.

Bernd 09/12/2020 (Sat) 14:26:26 [Preview] No.40020 del
Good channel about women

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ue7Bo9n2s88 [Embed]

Bernd 09/20/2020 (Sun) 20:27:35 [Preview] No.40193 del


An increase in the influence of women in
public life has often been associated with na-
tional decline. The later Romans complained
that, although Rome ruled the world, women
ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar
tendency was observable in the Arab Empire,
the women demanding admission to the
professions hitherto monopolised by men.
‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian,
Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk,
tax-collector or preacher to do with women?
These occupations have always been limited
to men alone.’ Many women practised law,

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15th of November - Republic Day Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 01:56:56 [Preview] No. 20613 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Today we celebrate and glorify Pedro II's overthrow in a military coup 129 years ago, marking our transformation into a banana republic. The strongman who led the coup is even in every 25 cent coin.
As typical, Temer spoke about the virtues and strength of liberal democracy even though the Braganza were more liberally democratic than the following regimes.
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Bernd 09/16/2020 (Wed) 19:06:02 [Preview] No.40136 del
>It was, however, militarily weak.
Now that I started to browse the Luttwak book, it made me wonder if the units all over were kept low on crew and war material partially as an anti-coup measure (beside economical considerations) - with the exception of the School-Unit Group, which might have kept as a unit to counter the others if necessary (beside the training considerations).
>Weapons were purchased from Czechoslovakia
This big independence the states enjoy in Brazil? They can negotiate deals with foreign actors? Especially arm deals?

Bernd 09/18/2020 (Fri) 17:00:52 [Preview] No.40171 del
In this time period when they investigated the subject in 1963 they found several conspiracies already underway. Later they helped organized the dispatch of fuel tankers.
From the other side the Czechoslovak secret service had some activity in the same period.

>if the units all over were kept low on crew and war material partially as an anti-coup measure (beside economical considerations)
Up to the 60s the logic was to concentrate firepower in the south and in Rio. The former as it bordered the Argentine Army. The latter because it was the capital, and reining in the military must've been a component of that. Goulart's apparatus concentrated reliable officers in Rio, too, and it's not unsafe to assume previous governments had a similar policy.
But Minas Gerais was unreliable because it was weak, not weak because it was unreliable. Mourão Filho was the least trustworthy general and hence given the weakest Division.
>with the exception of the School-Unit Group, which might have kept as a unit to counter the others if necessary
The "anti-coup unit" would probably be the 1st Infantry Division itself. Once it was committed and a second front appeared the School-Unit Group was dispatched. In Sergeants' Revolt in 63 paratroopers were employed when an immediate iron-fisted reaction was needed. And within Rio itself marines were the regime's muscle.
>This big independence the states enjoy in Brazil? They can negotiate deals with foreign actors? Especially arm deals?
It's one author that mentions it. Might be vestigial state independence from the pre-1930 time, when São Paulo could even train its state army with French advisors.

>And your topic is a very successful putsch, and now I'm thinking those Brazilian officers really did know what they were doing (in a theoretical sense; they might had very incomplete information what is going on out in the field about them and as a consequence they might were very unsure what their next step should be)
What was really decisive wasn't a meticulously planned conspiracy but that the political climate developed to a point where the uninvolved would all either defect or retreat with no resistance. In Minas Gerais the plot was tightly woven allowing a swift takeover but it was just an island in an "archipelago" of regional conspiracies which were only connected near the very end. In some garrisons, notably the 5th Infantry Division, the rebels weren't just off on the date by a few days (as in Rio de Janeiro) but very aloof and caught by surprise. A rebellion was already what they wanted so they switched sides as soon as conditions were favorable (it was a weak garrison). This was in part from many efforts to legitimize an action against the government, and from the government itself ruining its image with the officer class. In this field the action of organizations such as IPES, which besides influencing public opinion opened covert channels of contact between oppositionist elites and officers, played the years-long game of preparing the ground.
>and avoiding bloodshed was a top priority.

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Bernd 09/18/2020 (Fri) 18:20:57 [Preview] No.40173 del
Since I found Luttwak's book I'm trying to view this topic from other angle. Granted since I have read barely anything right now I'm reading another book, but will finish it soon and start this one this new perspective is lacking a bit.
By the 1964 coup, Brazil already went through 6 or 7, some was successful, some were foiled. At least Wikipee list that many, and one when Vargas couped himself somehow, funny notion. They had experience with this and preparing against could have been as natural as thinking it as a normal way of changing power. Do any of your sources - especially the Oral History - reflect anything about how they thought about coup as a tool?

Bernd 09/18/2020 (Fri) 22:55:19 [Preview] No.40181 del
>By the 1964 coup, Brazil already went through 6 or 7, some was successful, some were foiled
Then two more in the following years: Costa e Silva pressuring Castelo Branco to accept him as his successor in 1965, and the moderate President's countercoup on the hardliner Minister of the Army in 1977. Both successful.
The latter was less of a countercoup against a mounting coup, and more of triggering a coup when the countercoup was already in place, ensuring its failure. There'd been for a while but the Minister wasn't really constructing a proper conspiracy. He was called by the President and fired; in the next 12 hours he tried to improvise a coup, launching a manifesto against the process of thaw, invoking the reds, and summoning commanders. As the moderates had planned this in advance and had all their pieces in place, it was immediate checkmate and by nighttime the Minister gave up.
>Do any of your sources - especially the Oral History - reflect anything about how they thought about coup as a tool?
Legitimacy - There was an interesting exchange between a legalist commander and a rebel emissary, the former insisted on his legal duties and the latter, with the example of previous coups and revolutions, arguing that such duties become void with an illegitimate government. Other times this is framed as between legal duty and duty to the fatherland. One interviewee mentions how a coup d'état is the military's way of expressing discontent. And there's a strong emphasis on popular support as necessary for a legitimate coup.
Luck - the balance of power is influenced by the random fluctuations of military life. Commanders might be away on vacation leaving subordinates from the other side in charge. In some units conscripts will be well trained, deep into their cycle, while in others they'll be recently incorporated. To some extent can be addressed. Commanders with recent troops can subject them to accelerated training. If they keep their sharp they'll have the advantage when the crisis comes.
Cohesion - if a general is undecided or on the other side, his subordinates can arrest him or take over, but this will leave scars in military discipline and unity in the year to come - this was the case in the 30s. Ideally subordinates should apply pressure to commanders and units should pick a side as a whole.
Distributing information - an untrustworthy regiment can be dispatched without information. Within one's own garrison, however, not taking a public stand will just create confusion and division. One can make the stand, let the opposition speak and arrest it, make the stand and not leave any room for the opposition to appear, or ask everyone from the lowest to the highest rank (the order can matter).

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Is it known that from the general staff how many/who participated in previous coups?