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Gardening Thread Alice 08/04/2023 (Fri) 20:35 [Preview] No. 1608
Everything about gardening and growing vegetables and fruit with your tupper, be it in wonderland or IRL


Alice 08/04/2023 (Fri) 20:41 [Preview] No.1609 del
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>>1599
>Irl all my gardening ends in desaster, barely able to grow small tomatoes or 5 inch pumpkins without them mysteriously turning brown and dying long before their time.
I remember you talked about salt mist from the nearby sea making rust bubbles on the cars in your area or was that another place? It does sound like salt, either from the soil or from the water. We'd need a pic of thee plants to make sure. Tomatoes are relatively salt tolerant though so that's a bit odd.
Or it's a fungus like Fusarium or Phytophthora. They can persist in the soil and reinfect new plants year after year.
https://gardenerspath.com/how-to/disease-and-pests/common-tomato-diseases/

You're a smart bear you should be able to figure out the root of the problem, I'd recommend starting with fresh compost next year to eliminate any sort of biotic or abiotic soil problems.


Bear 08/05/2023 (Sat) 00:03 [Preview] No.1610 del
>>1609

The cause is not lost, I'm going to get a soil tester, moisture tester, I'm going to use greenhouse sprayers for water with rain gages to make sure only the exact amount of water is used, lime to lower pH (or raise it, I forget) neem oil on the first sign of mold etc.

Look, there's a heck of a lot of plants that magically grow in untreated and unfertalized awful, clay ridden soil like in the middle of nowhere without any water from me like surprise barley, mysterious undying tomatoes growing out of a crack, a giant cucumber vine that made literally 10lb cucumbers before I looked at it twice, a huge corn stalk growing like a weed under the bird feeder, so it's not salt spray which is insane if you have a car, but plants don't care. Yes this is the same place, I can see the ocean and smell it of the wind is right. Thankfully I'm not so close that I smell rotten fish like at my work which is literally 1ft above the high tide mark at the water, but the occasional stray wind will bring me an algea scent. My poor truck was in rust free condition when I bought it and now it's a consistent dark orange on every free inch of metal.

No, the plants are fine, I am a noob and actually deter their growth. But that will change. I don't do pesticides or herbicides but neem oil seems to help mold.

We have morning mist and that's how native plants live because our rainfall totals are less than 1/8 the square root of a square horse per year, our temperature is always between 15.67 and 21.5 Rømer daytime temperature all year and never goes below 491.7 Rankine. So it's not frost. In fact a stray tomato plant that I did nothing to survived winter and is still growing to this day over a year old.


Alice 08/06/2023 (Sun) 20:39 [Preview] No.1629 del
Well then it's clear, the problem is you!

No but seriously, those wild-growing surprise plants are one-in-a-thousand super selected champions of evolution, like those concentration camp survivor Jews who lived to over 100 after the war. The ordinary simply die, only the best survive. Modern commercial high-yield crop varieties often need optimal conditions to thrive and are not resilient to stress at all. Also they're clones with no variation so natural selection doesn't work.

Bottom line, plants most likely don't turm brown from your malicious bear aura alone, there must be some physical cause and we gotta find out what you are doing wrong. But it may very well be that the varieties you tried to grow are simply unsuitable for your location. It's always easier to adapt crops to your environment than your environment to the crops you'd like to grow. Host learned that the hard way because he's a fool.


Anonymous 08/07/2023 (Mon) 20:46 [Preview] No.1637 del
dunno much about gardening my relatives have a farm. guess its about experience knowing what you can grow and how

>>1610
have you tried growing lewd tomato


Yakumo 08/09/2023 (Wed) 13:02 [Preview] No.1645 del
>>1637
>lewd tomato
Pussy pareidolia at its best
would grow


Bear 08/09/2023 (Wed) 16:28 [Preview] No.1648 del
>>1645

Those tiny happy people are doing lewd things


Anonymous 08/14/2023 (Mon) 22:02 [Preview] No.1678 del
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how about lewd pumpkin?

sometimes i wish i had a garden but then again its lots of work and responsibility so nah. i'll help out my relatives a few times a year thats enough


Ashley 08/15/2023 (Tue) 01:15 [Preview] No.1682 del
>>1678

I am so in agreement here. Even the word "Pumpkin" is lewd, it's the most lewd fruit just based on that alone.


Alice 09/23/2023 (Sat) 08:43 [Preview] No.2043 del
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Host has been tilling a field to grow spinach last weekend which included shoveling 5 m³ of soil into a wheelbarrow and moving it 20m. Worked over 6h on 2 consecutive days without noteworthy breaks. Body may not be strong but it does have decent stamina. Even more interesting, there was no soreness afterwards. Didn't even feel tired or hungry despite not eating all day. This should be in the fitness thread.

Anyway, spinach was planted just in time, autumn arrived full force and it's cool and rainy now. We'll have a looot of spinach this fall and winter. Thanks to climate change it grows until late December.


Bear 09/23/2023 (Sat) 09:27 [Preview] No.2044 del
>>2043

Nice.

Yeah that last day I was dying, it was probably the heat.


Alice 05/05/2024 (Sun) 19:31 [Preview] No.4190 del
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Not strictly gardening rather foraging but I'd like to keep anything plant related in this thread. It is the season of edible flowers and we're busy collecting them in their short blooming period.

The classic is Sambucus nigra (Black Elderberry) which produces huge corymbs full of tiny white flowers that have a lemon-like smell. It's a tall shrub that grows in the understory of forests and frequently in parks or along roads, almost a weed.

Another tree that produces sweep perfumed edible flowers is Robinia pseudoacacia (Black Locust tree), an invasive species from North America also often found in parks and along roads as an ornamental but also overtakes forests. The flowers are a bit hard to harvest because lost are out of reach.


The last is wild roses which look nice but do not smell or taste like much.

All of these flowers can be cooked into a jam or thrown into batter to make pancakes. Drying them doesn't really preserve smell or taste so they gotta be used fresh.

It's important to just use the flowers without any green plant parts which are tough and can ruin the taste. Robinia and Elderberry plants are also weakly toxic unless cooked but this doesn't apply to flowers
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Tamamo 05/07/2024 (Tue) 09:33 [Preview] No.4203 del
>>4190
That's cool!
I wouldn't dare to harvest any wild flowers here in nature, a lot is poisinous. But you can buy a lot of flowers for food decoration. Not sure how many pesticides are in them though.


Anonymous 05/12/2024 (Sun) 00:45 [Preview] No.4256 del
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>>4190
we make juice out of elder flowers its like lemonade you can buy it everywhere

>>4203
thats what you get for living in a tropical hellhole where everything wants to kill you


Alice 05/12/2024 (Sun) 14:11 [Preview] No.4259 del
>>4256
Yeah that's also awesome but the syrup contains too much sugar. We will try to make some with a bit of xylitol and sterilize it so it lasts without sugar as preservative. Just like our jams.


Alice 05/25/2024 (Sat) 19:44 [Preview] No.4391 del
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We're back from hiking in the alps and brought you bacck some photos!
There were still a lot of spring flowers and also patches of snow.


Alice 05/25/2024 (Sat) 19:48 [Preview] No.4392 del
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Host was happy finding several rare carnivorous and parasitic plant species


Alice 05/25/2024 (Sat) 20:23 [Preview] No.4393 del
A few animals
The bold alpine choughs that take food from your hand in flight (or right out of your backpack), beautiful green and blue leaf beetles and a grass snake trying to eat a large common toad.
Also saw a few chamois but couldn't take a photo before they ran away.


Bear 05/25/2024 (Sat) 23:03 [Preview] No.4395 del
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>>4393

Grapes.

These friggen things roots go forever no wonder these leaves are crazy big.

It makes way more grapes then I could ever process. It's a type that is used for winemaking, I planted it for fun but it took over a huge area and the stalk is like a tree now.


Tamamo 05/26/2024 (Sun) 09:27 [Preview] No.4398 del
>>4391
>>4392
>>4393
Awesome pics!
Did you take all of them?
Which are the parasitic and carnivirous flowers?

>>4395
Thats some huge grapes! That's inches right?


Bear 05/26/2024 (Sun) 10:28 [Preview] No.4399 del
>>4398
>That's inches right?

Yes, the post ww3 units


Alice 05/26/2024 (Sun) 19:04 [Preview] No.4401 del
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>>4398
Host took all those pics with the Pixel. He took a lot of the choughs to catch a few in flight.

The carnivorous plant is Pinguicula alpina. It catches tiny insects on its sticky leaves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinguicula_alpina

The parasitic orchid is Neottia nidus-avis. It has no green parts and gets all energy from mycorrhizal fungi that live in symbiosis with trees. The orchid pretends to be a symbiotic plant and attracts fungal hyphae into its roots, then digests them without giving them anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neottia_nidus-avis

>>4395
Grape roots easily go 5-6 m deep into the soil, old plants can reach more than 20m. We have a grape in the garden that's about 20 yeas old but it doesn't do too well due to lack of sun. It has a few handful of fruit every year.

Our Epiphyllum cactus is flowering, th flowers are the size of a child's head and smell like soap. Unfortunately they only last a few days. Pic related, we missed the flowers in full bloom. The Pithaya and Queen of the Night refuse to flower like almost every year.


Tamamo 05/29/2024 (Wed) 10:43 [Preview] No.4426 del
>>4401
>choughs
Never heard of those but they look cool. Are they like crows? They appear to be really tame.

>carnivorous plants
I didn't even know you had them in Europe. We have a few pitcher plant species here. Can't remember seeing one in the wild except for the small slender and most common one, I'm such an indoor person. But some people grow them on their balcony, some have huge pitchers.


Milkweed spreads Bear 05/31/2024 (Fri) 02:36 [Preview] No.4456 del
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Moar!

Lots of grubs, this one and 5 others. Some on the mother plant and others just on seedlings like this. I can't tell where they're actually eating though.


Alice 06/07/2024 (Fri) 22:41 [Preview] No.4558 del
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>>4426
>choughs
Yes they are crows with a yellow beak. They are really funny and highly popular, everyone loves them because they are extremely curious and funny. They are only found in the mountains.

>pitcher plants
They're awesome. We had one for years, some hybrid rescued from the bargain bin of a garden center. It even flowered but died at some point. Probably was too dry.

>>4456
Nice!
More monarch butterflies soon! The caterpillars aren't dumb and don't rest where they feed because birds like to look for damaged leaves to find and eat the culprit.

We grow stinging nettles for the larvae of peacock butterflies but we haven't seen some in years.

Found some cool beetles though.
The metallic ground beetle is about 3 cm long and a powerful hunter that feeds on earthworms and large snails.
The red- and black one is called 'bee-wolf, about 1.5 cm long. Its larvae parasitize bees.


Anonymous 06/08/2024 (Sat) 23:21 [Preview] No.4561 del
>>4558
wtf how do you know the names of all the bugs and plants thats crazy

EU elections today who will Alice vote for? how many germans will elect putin?


Alice 06/10/2024 (Mon) 19:52 [Preview] No.4588 del
>>4558
No, even an autist like those can't identify these beetles by heart but he knows how to look up the necessary information. It's like solving a riddle.

For example there's an almost identical species of ground beetle but the first 4 segments of its antennae are red. In the one we found only the first segment is red, the rest is black.
There are also 2 extremely similar bee-wolf species but the other has a red band on the tip of its hindwings. The one we found has a black band, you can barely see it. That's the easy stuff. Identifying tiny moths is a completely diffferent matter and often impossible. But why would you want that to begin with?


Sunchokes Bear 06/14/2024 (Fri) 19:19 [Preview] No.4624 del
Got these planted in April and they're 6ft tall now.

The sunchoke is edible raw and cooked, it tastes ok alone, when I baked some they were similar to chips (baked potato) but weren't as starchy.

They also cause a lot of gas unfortunately.

Also I see a ton of milkweed in both yards.


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Alice 06/14/2024 (Fri) 22:14 [Preview] No.4629 del
>>4624
Oh yeah, terribly invasive weed here. The tubers go so deep that you'll never get rid of them. Don't really like the taste and consistency either, not to speak of gas. Nope, you can keep this one.


Bear 06/15/2024 (Sat) 00:05 [Preview] No.4631 del
>>4629

Interesting, that's what I wanted, though I doubt the tubers will become invasive. They're very big, it might be a different species. They're so calorie dense, 1/16th acre can sustain a person intdefinately.


Alice 06/18/2024 (Tue) 01:51 [Preview] No.4654 del
>>4631
There's tons of such sunflower-like asteraceae in the Americas but host is pretty certain yours is the common sunchoke or topinambur. Like with most crops, there's a ton of varieties bred for different purposes with varying tuber shape, size and color. In Germany it's mainly grown for liquor destillation but also animal feed and biofuel. It's healthy and has quite some potential but is invasive ans many don't like the taste and consistency. Also the tubers can't be stored for long. Don't know about California but in Europe it can only be harvested in autumn and winter. The tubers are hardy deep in the soil but while growing in spring and summer the plant exhausts the tubers so there's nothing to harvest. Only makes sense after the new tuber is formed in autumn. So it's a seasonal crop that's unavailable for half a year.

Have you tried sweet potatoes? They should grow in your climate. It's too cold here.


Alice 06/18/2024 (Tue) 01:55 [Preview] No.4655 del
>>4625
And I see your pomegranates are already flowering? Our biggest one has several buds but I think it will drop them as usual. It's too small to produce fruit yet.


Bear 06/18/2024 (Tue) 03:26 [Preview] No.4656 del
>>4654
>Have you tried sweet potatoes?

Too many pillbugs, they don't stand a chance. As with radishes, carrots, beets and other near surface tubers. The bugger bugs just live everywhere, but these are the cute small ones that walk snail speed and roll into perfect spheres not the big flat scary ones that run fast.

>>4655
>And I see your pomegranates are already flowering?

They flower three times a year, Early spring, late spring, summer. All three form fruit and so the fruit are several stages. These are two years old and had fruit last year, I have two different species planted together for cross pollination.

They were mildly tasty, hopefully this year they'll do better because they dried out several times last year, now that they're in the ground they'll be fine.


Alice 06/19/2024 (Wed) 16:33 [Preview] No.4676 del
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Ah I remember your pillbugs. Weird. They're not a problem here, it's rare for them to eat plants but they're a different species and don't curl up.

Harvested cherries, there's a lot this year after almost nothing last year because there was heavy rain and cold during the flowering period. We only harvested a little because no idea what to do with all the cherries. It's a lot of work to remove the stone and occasional maggots of the cherry fly

They look beautiful but don't taste like much. We froze some and made jam from the rest just cooking the fruit to preserve them. It can be added to our yogurt or as a chocolate cherry pancake filling but the usefulness is limited.

We also had tons of raspberries but they are infested by fruit flies since a few years so they're all full of maggots as soon as they are ripe and liquefy smelling like vinegar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila_suzukii

You can't do anything against this as the fruit flies lay their eggs when the raspberries turn red and they develop within days. So you can't use pesticides. Only a fine netting would help. We'll have to try next year. Sucks, I like raspberries more than cherries but we only ate a few half-ripe ones and threw away the rest.



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