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The rise of satanism Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 20:58:19 [Preview] No. 24641
This thread is the discussion of the rise of satanism/occultism and the worship of lucifer I am a non denominational christian and read the scripture but firstly the best way I believe for people to believe the scriptures is to genuinely read them so if you want to genuinely read the bible go over to this site.

Now for the genuine meet of this discussion. If you haven't noticed there has been a substantial rise in satanism in these last decades. For instance the music industry is full of satanic symbolism and abuse but even going as far as to promote people such as alister crowley. A couple of examples.
Ariana Grande
Lady Gaga
Ellie Goulding
Katy Perry
Miley Cyrus
If you dig deeper you will practically find everything is infested with this bullshit. Example has it ever wondered to anyone what magic is pushed in the mainstream is a good thing? When in the bible it directly says that witchcraft leads you directly to hell?
Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:36:04 [Preview] No.24642 del
Satanists are just edgelords

Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:40:32 [Preview] No.24644 del
These people are literally insane. Seriously watch the video's it's undeniable its not just music. WWE, movies and other things like that are also in on it. Here is the symbolism they mainly use.

Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:45:13 [Preview] No.24645 del
europeans: jews are bad and want all us dead
also europeans: lets follow some desert cult by jewsus

Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:55:59 [Preview] No.24647 del
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Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 22:38:27 [Preview] No.24649 del
The jews literally want to illegalise christianity its in the protocols of zion.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 05:08:34 [Preview] No.24651 del
Have you ever heard from God? Have you ever heard from Satan? No? Why is that?

If one managed to find out God, that would mean there is Satan too.
If one managed to find out Satan, what would instantly mean there is also God.

Goodness gives birth to evil, and evil gives birth to goodness. It seems that the equilibrium could be affected, but that's fundamentally impossible. If Satanism rises, it means something happens on the other side to balance it. The point of the battle is the battle itself, none of the sides will ever take over.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 05:19:47 [Preview] No.24652 del
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>If one managed to find out God, that would mean there is Satan too.
Nod really. In your scenario God is a very specific person. I'm not sure even in western Christian tradition he is that specific.
But this topic is too complex for this morning.

Are you sure they ain't just dyslexic?

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 07:58:21 [Preview] No.24654 del
The people making the video or the actual celebrities.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 08:44:50 [Preview] No.24655 del
question for op

who is satan?

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 09:08:15 [Preview] No.24656 del
A spiritual entity obsessed with itself and desires to be God who the jews and everyone else with even a modicum of power worship because satan has temporary authority over the modern world.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 10:03:20 [Preview] No.24657 del
how long has satan had authority over the earth?

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 10:21:49 [Preview] No.24658 del
He has had authority over the earth ever since adam and eve. Eventually he will perish during the second coming and christians get to get eternal love seriously read the bible.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 10:24:35 [Preview] No.24659 del
Are you talking about actual Satanism or LaVeyan Satanism?
Also those videos are some American puritan tier shit.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 10:25:04 [Preview] No.24660 del
when was adam and eve?

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 10:59:00 [Preview] No.24661 del

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 13:06:58 [Preview] No.24664 del
But Satan is a fallen angel, right? And where all the angels came from?
Hereby the problem of Satanism is not a problem. But you can pretend, it is, ofc.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 16:32:10 [Preview] No.24670 del
Thread theme.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wG_R5n9yIPg [Embed]

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 18:40:45 [Preview] No.24676 del
Never been a fan of that genre of music to be honest its far too pro satanism for my tastes.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 18:57:24 [Preview] No.24677 del
So since I'm not a Christian and my idea of God is differ from their mainstream picture (fits with the pantheistic view tho) and I don't believe in Satan I pretty much can't take anything "oh my god Satan wants to take over the world" seriously. Also I know/knew (since they all grown up now and see things differently) some pretty dark people and yeah him >>24642 is kinda right, I don't see any problem with that, frankly they more decent people than most Christians.
I can rationalize Satan as the object of blame when people try to shift from themselves from their own morally questionable actions. People are evil enough themselves, there's no need to invent an outside source beside creating a scapegoat.
I see "Satanists" are eccentric people, and any form of artistic manifestation of "Satanism" without real weight, therefore without threat. I'm most familiar with what metal bands produced, and there's nothing to it. Just look at Varg, quetly larps in the Alps with wife and kids and tells you don't watch porn. So evil.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 19:13:46 [Preview] No.24680 del
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Frankly that song is pretty much a fun story about how cheeky Satan tempting people.
A much more Satanist would be Skeleton Christ or Cult by Slayer. Tho I believe their songs are more about the great many fucked up things of our world than the active participation in them. As from the movie Straight Outta Compton: they are reporting and not doing.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 19:15:46 [Preview] No.24681 del
and when was adam and eve?

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 19:55:38 [Preview] No.24683 del
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In an ultimate sense it might not be a problem but until the end at least stuff like SRA is a bit of a pickle.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:13:45 [Preview] No.24684 del
>Satan wants to take over the world
You seem to misunderstand this isn't satan's goal. He knows he would fail if he attempted this you know with the omnipotent entity and all that so what he wants to do is bring as many people as possible down with him. He is similar to a suicide bomber in that regard except imagine a muslim on a scale of the large percentage of the population. He merely accomplishes this by getting people to turn away from the word of God.
>I don't see any problem with that, frankly they more decent people than most Christians
One of the most prevalent satanist i.e alister crowley said the main truth of satanism is do what thou will. Obviously this is fucking retarded for a multitude of reasons but think about the people in charge. They want people to operate this way. They want people to believe that nothing matters and that life is meaningless and they did this by the excessive promotion of the bullshit evolution theory.
>I can rationalize Satan as the object of blame when people try to shift from themselves from their own morally questionable actions.
The entire goal of satanists is to make people no better than animals and no better than sheep. Again to promote the "do what thou will" shit
>I see "Satanists" are eccentric people
Do you like living in the modern world?
>Look at Varg, quietly larps in the Alps with his wife and kids and tells you don't watch porn. So evil.
He also burned down a church. Killed a person. I am of the opinion people can change but you actually have to look at everything the people do. Not to mention Varg thinks patriarchy is a jewish invention let that sink in for a moment.
You don't even have to be a christian to recognize that these people are disfunctional they worship a being that promotes rebellion from natural law and actively promote it as the healthy thing to do. While the retards the media commonly push seem extremely larpy think about all the elites and even anyone with a position of power. Satan granted them that power and they abuse it. You on the other hand could simply see it as a group of people simply finding other people who align with their beliefs. I am a very strict christian and you seem to argue in good faith so I will present my point of view to you.

A long time ago

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:33:20 [Preview] No.24687 del
>and no better than sheep
but sheep is gods people?

Matthew 25:32

jesus christ is the lamb of god?

John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:19

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:36:03 [Preview] No.24688 del
We have the choice of following God. God is a benevolent being he wants us to decide for ourselves this is why he doesn't just destroy free will and have a perfect people because then we are lesser than slaves. It's a choice to follow the teachings of jesus and those that do will be rewarded. Those that don't will burn in hell unless they repent from their sins.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:38:59 [Preview] No.24689 del
Have you read the bible? Calling your followers sheep or lambs is an insult if you have ever dealt with sheep. They are pretty imbecile and doesn't really have any free will at all. Plus they are easy to control.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:40:04 [Preview] No.24690 del
yes I have I have read the entire new testament. Though to me following the actual teachings is pretty difficult.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:45:22 [Preview] No.24691 del
I want to add that the bible uses the term sheep symbolically mostly to refer to the sheep being lost as they are now in the glory of god but through jesus he as the shephard makes us follow him and through him we can follow God as well. Its not saying we have the intellect of sheep its saying that jesus is the shephard collecting us and saving us from ourselves.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:47:52 [Preview] No.24692 del
I wish I had your faith. Life must be easier then.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:48:54 [Preview] No.24693 del
Jesus said one thing but Paul said another. If people followed jesus it would be another ball game.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 20:55:56 [Preview] No.24694 del
>Life must be easier
Yes and no. Yes in the fact that it makes me hopeful that God will save me and others in the future and No in that everything is inevitably going to get worse. Its honestly a double-edged sword. Just got to prepare for it to get progressively worse. Honestly I get the fact that you struggle with faith but you need to realize is that satan(and his followers) main goal is specifically to get as many people to hell as possible. If you think about the greater future and follow the teachings of God inevitably you will come to love him even if it is a slow process. God is always loving and he is willing to forgive for a lot not everything but most things. For instance I doubt any of the people in power can be saved since they technically renounce the holy spirit making them irredemiable but you never know. Help out in your local area, act with high spirit, stop masturbating, realize that everyone in power wants you to burn in hell for eternity and reject their influence. The people in charge assault everyone with sheer volume. This is why you see so much repetition. It's conditioning.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 21:00:11 [Preview] No.24695 del
They really don't contradict. Most of the time I think its misinterpretation or purposeful cherry picking rather than the scriptures themselves. You're correct though barely anyone genuinely follows jesus which is why these lukewarm christians dominiate what a true "christian" is supposed to be. I already used revelation 3:11-17 to explain why lukewarmism is a problem and how dangerous it actually is.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 21:19:08 [Preview] No.24696 del
why chiristians eat insects when its forbidden?
the red paint in many ketchups and shit is made from insects

i talked about this with some tradcuck christian and the answer was: lol stop being an imbecile an be like all else like wtf wid you (eat this shit)

christianity is the altright of religion

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 21:32:03 [Preview] No.24697 del
Well the people you encountered were probably lukewarm christians i.e not true followers of God. The type that are christian in name only no faith.
My personal rebuttal would be this verse from mark mark chapter 7:18-20
"And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man."

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 21:36:00 [Preview] No.24698 del
the paint is called 'carmin' if you think im trolling

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 21:45:38 [Preview] No.24699 del
also there was another christian that got a little bit mad at all the degeneracy and gtfoed to monastery

im still jelly i can't go to monastery because im non-religious

when i leave my mancave im instantly submerged in degeneracy (like it was today)

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Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 22:05:53 [Preview] No.24702 del
I understand where you are coming from though I basically abandoned the church and decided to become a non denominational christian. Churches are basically social gathering area's which do the exact opposite of what they were intended.

Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 22:41:31 [Preview] No.24705 del
It is pretty sad to see how easily devout religious followers are tricked to join modern media carousel.

Show them some provocative videos and they suddenly start to care about all these Cyruses, Keshas and Grandes, easily multiplying their informational presence even in circles that are hard to reach by classic advertising methods (and they doing this for free).

Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 00:20:07 [Preview] No.24707 del
is that a mongol hat you are wearing

Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 00:25:48 [Preview] No.24708 del
sometimes ive played with the thought of becoming a monk. must be a nice life.

Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 00:26:32 [Preview] No.24709 del
you think it was better with tolstoy?

Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 05:18:26 [Preview] No.24714 del
That's a Japanese samurai helmet. That's not my work.

It might be possible to live in a monastery among monks but as a layman. You should make inquiries, saying you want to retreat from the world to find something that would put your life into order or something. Maybe the first letter/e-mail shouldn't even contain that, but the mere question, and if they ask why you could elaborate then.

Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 07:05:21 [Preview] No.24717 del
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Not really.

Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 09:50:21 [Preview] No.24885 del
Abrahamic religions brought nothing but ignorance. All developments happened despite for them not because of them.

Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 16:44:32 [Preview] No.24891 del
The reason why Paul said different things than Jesus did was the context. Jesus was preaching to people who were already well-acquainted with the teachings of the Scripture, while Paul was preaching to Greeks and Romans. This is why Paul emphasises that homosexuality is bad while Jesus and the other disciples don't.

Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 03:59:07 [Preview] No.24911 del
Man, the banished Adam, seeks to pass from the outer court of the Sanctuary (the exterior universe) into the sanctum sanctorum, but before him rises a vast creature armed with a flashing sword that, moving slowly but continually, sweeps clear a wide circle, and through this "Ring Pass Not" the Adamic man cannot break.

The cherubim address the seeker thus: "Man, thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return. Thou wert fashioned by the Builder of Forms; thou belongest to the sphere of form, and the breath that was breathed into thy soul was the breath of form and like a flame it shall flicker out. More than thou art thou canst not be. Thou art a denizen of the outer world and it is forbidden thee to enter this inner place."

And the Adam replies: "Many times have I stood within this courtyard and begged admission to my Father's house and thou hast refused it me and sent me back to wander in darkness. True it is that I was fashioned out of the dirt and that my Maker could not confer upon me the boon of immortality. But no more shalt thou send me away; for, wandering in the darkness, I have discovered that the Almighty hath decreed my salvation because He hath sent out of the most hidden Mystery His Only Begotten who didst take upon Himself the world fashioned by the Demiurgus. Upon the elements of that world was He crucified and from Him hath poured forth the blood of my salvation. And God, entering into His creation, hath quickened it and established therein a road that leadeth to Himself. While my Maker could not give me immortality, immortality was inherent in the very dust of which I was composed, for before the world was fabricated and before the Demiurgus became the Regent of Nature the Eternal Life had impressed itself upon the face of Cosmos. This is its sign--the Cross. Do you now deny me entrance, I who have at last learned the mystery of myself?"

And the voice replies: "He who is aware, IS! Behold!"

Gazing about him, Adam finds himself in a radiant place, in the midst of which stands a tree with flashing jewels for fruit and entwined about its trunk a flaming, winged serpent crowned with a diadem of stars. It was the voice of the serpent that had spoken.

"Who art thou?" demands the Adam.

"I," the serpent answers, "am Satan who was stoned; I am the Adversary--the Lord who is against you, the one who pleads for your destruction before the Eternal Tribunal. I was your enemy upon the day that you were formed; I have led you into temptation; I have delivered you into the hands of evil; I have maligned you; I have striven ever to achieve your undoing. I am the guardian of the Tree of Knowledge and I have sworn that none whom I can lead astray shall partake of its fruits."

The Adam replies: "For uncounted ages have I been thy servant. In my ignorance I listened to thy words and they led me into paths of sorrow. Thou hast placed in my mind dreams of power, and when I struggled to realize those dreams they brought me naught but pain. Thou hast sowed in me the seeds of desire, and when I lusted after the things of the flesh agony was my only recompense. Thou hast sent me false prophets and false reasoning, and when I strove to grasp the magnitude of Truth I found thy laws were false and only dismay rewarded my strivings. I am done with thee forever, O artful Spirit! I have tired of thy world of illusions. No longer will I labor in thy vineyards of iniquity. Get thee behind me, rempter, and the host of thy temptations. There is no happiness, no peace, no good, no future in the doctrines of selfishness, hate, and passion preached by thee. All these things do I cast aside. Renounced is thy rule forever!"

And the serpent makes answer: "Behold, O Adam, the nature of thy Adversary!" The serpent disappears in a blinding sunburst of radiance and in its place stands an angel resplendent in shining, golden garments with great scarlet wings that spread from one corner of the heavens to the other. Dismayed and awestruck, the Adam falls before the divine creature.

"I am the Lord who is against thee and thus acco

Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 04:06:22 [Preview] No.24912 del
"I am the Lord who is against thee and thus accomplishes thy salvation, " continues the voice. "Thou hast hated me, but through the ages yet to be thou shalt bless me, for I have led thee our of the sphere of the Demiurgus; I have turned thee against the illusion of worldliness; I have weaned thee of desire; I have awakened in thy soul the immortality of which I myself partake. Follow me, O Adam, for I am the Way, the Life, and the Truth!"

Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 17:08:37 [Preview] No.24919 del
What's this from?

Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 05:02:17 [Preview] No.24929 del
by Manly P. Hall
Chapter: Qabbalistic Keys to the Creation of Man

Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 17:43:42 [Preview] No.24933 del
So there's a paradox in there.
It says that Satan is for tempting, misleading, etc. Adam, who was tested by it and he decided not to follow him, rejected his falsehood. This led to his salvation.
Then it says this is why Adam should follow Satan.
But if not following is the right choice, following him couldn't be. So all in all this is just another temptation, Adam should reject him again.

Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 18:24:08 [Preview] No.24936 del
>So all in all this is just another temptation, Adam should reject him again.
Agree, it looks like a catch.

Another point to consider is, if the same being could take the form of the Greatest Angel, as well as the form of Satan, who this being really is? Is that Satan, who can disguise himself as Angel? Or is that Angel, who can disguise himself as Satan? I'm pretty sure, there is a certain answer to that question.

Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 18:36:40 [Preview] No.24938 del
It is customary to equal Satan with Lucifer, an angel. Even this thread says so. How Satan looks like anyway? Like a faun?

Bernd 04/19/2019 (Fri) 04:57:49 [Preview] No.24945 del
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>How Satan looks like anyway?
Like a red angel with horns and tail.
Or do you mean, what Satan looks like not on that pictures, but for real?

Bernd 04/19/2019 (Fri) 05:25:06 [Preview] No.24946 del
Horned and tailed Satan isn't biblical. Genesis refers to the devil's physical form as a snake, and Revelation refers to Satan as a dragon.

Bernd 04/19/2019 (Fri) 06:35:10 [Preview] No.24949 del
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This form often referred to as dragon.

Bernd 04/19/2019 (Fri) 16:17:51 [Preview] No.24951 del
Snakes and dragons are both wyrms. But wyrms can be as small that they can cause toothache. So on a level wyrm is an abstract concept for everything malific.

Bernd 04/20/2019 (Sat) 00:40:21 [Preview] No.24952 del
its reptiles

Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 03:59:01 [Preview] No.25873 del
Are Jews satanic?

Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 06:51:55 [Preview] No.25874 del
No, Satan is Jewish.

Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 10:13:42 [Preview] No.25910 del
Material, manifested world is Satan.
Spiritual, veiled world is God.

Most of people are busy with material matters (sounds good, right?), which are right in front of the eyes and easy to deal with. On the other hand, it's hard to deal with something that is no matter (or does not matter). Even the language highlights the difference.

Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 19:22:17 [Preview] No.26165 del
This is Gnosticism, friend. God created the mortal world, it cannot be entirely evil. It's when your love of the mortal world and its pleasures outweigh your love of God and your fellow man that there is a problem.

Bernd 10/10/2019 (Thu) 21:35:10 [Preview] No.29816 del
Will Santa rise?

Bernd 12/18/2019 (Wed) 06:55:35 [Preview] No.33188 del
Perkele Saaaaaatana
This might come in handy in the future when riseth.

Bernd 06/28/2020 (Sun) 21:35:25 [Preview] No.38136 del
bumping a great thread

Bernd 06/29/2020 (Mon) 16:26:25 [Preview] No.38156 del
For Santanists:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AqZceAQSJvc [Embed]

Bernd 07/17/2020 (Fri) 18:25:06 [Preview] No.38669 del
why is this song so addictive?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KGAAhzreGWw [Embed]

Bernd 07/17/2020 (Fri) 20:33:55 [Preview] No.38671 del
I would listen to a song he sings. He has great deep voice with some hoarse coating. Maybe metal would be best.

Bernd 11/08/2022 (Tue) 14:25 [Preview] No.49176 del
>Satanists are just edgelords
edgelords = jews

Dutch bernd Bernd 11/09/2022 (Wed) 04:47 [Preview] No.49185 del
satans is cringe.

>.t lives in super atheist place

plebitt is cringe also

Bernd 11/09/2022 (Wed) 05:00 [Preview] No.49186 del
Can you show me most explicit promotion of Aleister Crowley in modern mass culture?

Bernd 11/09/2022 (Wed) 15:50 [Preview] No.49199 del
>most explicit
Liek most literal? Not like via "metaphors" which aren't promotion at all people just force their explanation into them?

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