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Communitarianism Bernd 07/23/2020 (Thu) 06:37:16 [Preview] No. 38756
I want to have a thread about Communitarianism.

What is Communitarianism?


Monopolistic-Crony CAPITALISM-Corporatism-Mercantilism



Judaic-Talmudic COMMUNISM-Cultural Marxism-Kabbalism





Its the word most people have never heard, but it affects our lives the most. It's global to local which means its implemented locally but on a global level.

Two things that are key to communitarianism is

1. Technological slavery

2. Depopulation

Bernd 07/23/2020 (Thu) 14:24:41 [Preview] No.38761 del
We might be slow and small to reserve a whole thread for this, but worse topics were opened so yeah.
I didn't care for that video you shared previously.
From the sound of it it's redundant. There's nationalism already, that could have a sub-genre. But this looks like leaving out the nationalism since it's not presentable since WWII.

Bernd 07/24/2020 (Fri) 06:11:19 [Preview] No.38770 del
>I didn't care for that video you shared previously.


Here are two very good clips

https://youtube.com/watch?v=89C7W9k-Mgo [Embed]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ImVecW848Q4 [Embed]

Agenda 2030, agenda 21, the climate goals, its all just communitarianism with another name.

Bernd 07/24/2020 (Fri) 12:14:23 [Preview] No.38777 del
I'm not really sure what it's supposed to entail exactly. Of course everybody talks about community involvement and such so what is the actual agenda here? What is the plan and why?

The only aspects to it I can think of I quickly rule out as being unrealistic. For example if forming communities where the wealth of the community is taxed and goes back into that community the end result would just be basically South Africa, you would have rich gated communities where all the wealth pools surrounded by a landscape of poverty.

Bernd 07/24/2020 (Fri) 16:58:46 [Preview] No.38778 del
That Agenda 22 video.

Bernd 07/24/2020 (Fri) 20:01:36 [Preview] No.38781 del
In fact I have to return to that video, and it's message because of that blogpost in OP.
>COMMUNITARIANISM = Monopolistic-Crony CAPITALISM-Corporatism-Mercantilism + Judaic-Talmudic COMMUNISM-Cultural Marxism-Kabbalism
It's piling up some crap the author thinks we have to be very afraid of, creating just another label. Because simple Marxism in itself just isn't frightening enough. And what a conspiracy it's the billionaire and the commie henchman jewing you again. The Nth iteration of the same thing since the early middle ages' anti-jewish polemics.
Yeah, it's bad that (((they))) work like a mafia (sometimes as literal criminal organization, sometimes just simply with favoritism) but I don't get it why we need to chew on it again and again just with a little different seasoning.

Bernd 07/25/2020 (Sat) 10:05:46 [Preview] No.38791 del
Take your pills.

Bernd 07/25/2020 (Sat) 20:14:40 [Preview] No.38794 del
He's saying that it's a false dialectic to pave the way for communitarianism, which is a completely different technocratic ideology.

Bernd 07/26/2020 (Sun) 07:34:38 [Preview] No.38795 del
The blog consists of a bunch of namecalling and unrelated info. Only a very short part tells what Communitarianism is (at "What is communitarianism?" subtitle) but even there it just gives a DDG search link instead of getting the books of Communitarianist writers and introduce it through what they write.
And what's written at that part is all good, nothing supports the long namecalling part the author of the blogpost produces above.
And some of those links... info from the website of the "Anti-Communitarian League". It's like learning about Hitler from books made in the Soviet Union. Or learning about the Jews from Der Stürmer. Well, all can contain actual usuable information, or can be useful if the context is know, but still.

Bernd 07/27/2020 (Mon) 18:10:28 [Preview] No.38813 del
The eyes are useless if the mind is blind

Bernd 07/27/2020 (Mon) 18:47:44 [Preview] No.38815 del
Well, then tell us your opinion.

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 03:28:31 [Preview] No.38817 del
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Communitarianism is genetic so of course i don't have any control.

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 20:08:36 [Preview] No.38835 del
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That link says that there is some new system (Communitarism) that wants to replace classic liberal system, and install inequality before law, remove private rights, control people, remove individualism etc. But did these things actually existed not in the minds of naive USA citizens with their amendments? Did society really had equal
rights that will be crushed by neo-feudalism?

I think people just discovered that their imaginary liberal (in classic terms) civic society doesn't really exist and never been. But still think that there is something that is destroyed right now, but actually it is just how things worked for long time.

>control over all means of production.

It is like 1900 again.

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 08:39:39 [Preview] No.38848 del
You are getting it all wrong ivan. Capitalism needs communism to form the dialectic.

Think of communitarianism like a hivemind.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tvEADBtXM2g [Embed]

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 17:46:12 [Preview] No.38856 del
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>equality before law, private rights, personal freedom, individualism, etc.
>But did these things actually existed
I'm not sure about the US, but I have some observations, complemented by the experience of others, and supported by history.
I have some run ins with the law and even getting a warrant to appear as a witness in a police investigation isn't a comforting feeling, now imagine what's it like expecting the police to arrest you at home, it's not something that wide slice of society have to experience since 1990. But it was the daily reality for them in the 50's Hungary, with the authoritarian government searching for "class enemies" and "saboteurs", making arrests, holding show trials, executing, torturing on a whim, forcible resettling people, confiscating their property and possessions. All these aren't happening now.
Yeah, maybe one needs to be connected to emerge in life, but it's just for the mediocre, those who have some talent and some ambition with that, and makes the effort can rise in rank or prestige (ofc relations will be made during the process). Back then for every position they needed the approval of the party. For higher offices, and positions they had to take political courses and they had to excel in them to be considered "presentable", even if they lacked on their chosen field in talent. While a considerable part of the clientele changes every time a new government gets elected, it's only in the public sector.
I heard about occasions (from lawyers, practitioners), when results of trials were prearranged even these days. When there is a will, pressure will prevail. But it is rare, and trials and lawsuits are kinda-sorta can be called fair. Back in the communism, there was a line which certainly decided the fate of many more cases.
In all the areas you mentioned we lived through changes. I can't say we are the most free, but definitely freer than before. In the US this goes even further. We have things to lose, they have too, and a lot.
So to that question, my answer is yes those things do actually exist.

>Capitalism needs communism to form the dialectic.
Yes, that sounds very Marxist. The unity of opposites via their struggle.
But capitalism and communism aren't a dichotomy, the first is an economic system the second is a political ideology, and a type of society.

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 19:43:51 [Preview] No.38859 del
>Monopolistic CAPITALISM
Same shit.

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 19:57:22 [Preview] No.38860 del
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>Think of communitarianism like a hivemind.
Like a human centipede.

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 20:12:39 [Preview] No.38862 del
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Orthodox Stalinist Soviet Empire

Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 02:15:32 [Preview] No.38863 del
Why should that be approached dialectically? Why specifically that thesis and antithesis? Why should anyone even think about making others live under Stalinism or hybrids thereof?

Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 05:16:53 [Preview] No.38864 del
Russian Empire

Soviet Union

Russian Federation

Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 05:28:42 [Preview] No.38865 del
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Reposting broken reaction image.

Bernd 07/31/2020 (Fri) 18:35:25 [Preview] No.38886 del
Swebernd, what are your thoughts on building a somewhat isolated community to resist the communitarian agenda? I've emailed you about this for more details.

Bernd 08/01/2020 (Sat) 10:08:37 [Preview] No.38896 del
I've already responded to the response.

Bernd 08/01/2020 (Sat) 15:22:00 [Preview] No.38909 del
Serb flag is me by the way.

Bernd 08/01/2020 (Sat) 16:19:15 [Preview] No.38911 del
Swebernd, you there?

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:33:24 [Preview] No.39012 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM [Embed]

A good video that demonstrates communitarianism I think.

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 19:42:25 [Preview] No.39028 del
>over 15 mil views
This was new to me. I laffed. I don't see what that's have to do with communitarianism.
The punch line: these videos can only be up because Neel Kolhatkar is a person of color...

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 20:05:53 [Preview] No.39029 del
I remember watching it a few years ago, when it first comes out. It has to do with conditioning in the modern school system.

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 20:53:23 [Preview] No.39031 del
That sounds more like it. I watched two more videos, Equality and Privilege Game I think.

Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 20:57:52 [Preview] No.39032 del
Broadly, I believe that the entire industrial K-12 curriculum is tailored to instill technocratic values onto its students, even ignoring the whole left-right dialectic.
You aren't organically taught there; after school, people often go to different colleges, and work for someone else to gain money to pay to live on someone else's property, and then play video games as a copout.

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 09:55:57 [Preview] No.39044 del
First we laugh about it. Then we are a bit afraid of it. Then we adjust to it. Thats how I see it. Wasn't that how it was in communist countries? They made jokes about how it really was, but in the end they had to conform to the rules.

I see technocracy (scientific dictatorship?) as just a tool for communitarianism.

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 09:56:52 [Preview] No.39045 del
Modern schooling comes from prussia.

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 10:21:32 [Preview] No.39046 del
Why aren't you getting on the IRC?

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 16:49:01 [Preview] No.39052 del
People are making fun of things they are afraid of, to alleviate the stress. So fear comes first, then comes the humour.
But we don't joke only with things we fear, we like to make parodies of others. For me those videos are that. It makes fun of SJWs and points out the absurdity of the American left-lib insanity.
>Wasn't that how it was in communist countries? They made jokes about how it really was
Yes, but the fear came first. The dark '50s. Then by the late communism on the Hungary, political humour was openly allowed as an outlet.
>they had to conform to the rules.
They had to conform to the rules because people faced overwhelming odds. Local governments were backed by the whole Soviet power, and even the satellite states kept each other in line.

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 19:13:10 [Preview] No.39058 del
Im not at home

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 19:17:06 [Preview] No.39059 del
Humour is a way of escaping reality. So when people make fun of something that is a reality in society, its just escaping the reality.

What the clip showed was the hivemind, everyone is the same.

Bernd 08/05/2020 (Wed) 19:34:06 [Preview] No.39063 del
Alright; when you can let's discuss the new community over there. I've emailed you about it.
I've a few other people I know willing to create it.

Bernd 08/06/2020 (Thu) 16:22:24 [Preview] No.39071 del
Humour isn't escapism. Sometimes it is used to accept reality or make dealings with reality, processing it if you will. But humour in its core is just recognizing or presenting something that doesn't fit, an irregularity.
Let's see a common example: cat videos, or of children. Yes people like them because they fugging cute dawww but also because they are funny. They show something irregular, making people smile (and share it with their folks). Cat in socks, stepping weird. Kid pulling his baby blue plastic potty onto his head. These are funny. Are they escapism? Not really, that's more like fantasy. Just because these raise the mood of the people it doesn't mean it is escaping reality (I give you that they can be consumed as such). Also why would reality equal something bad that make people avoid it?
I think political humour builds on absurdity. It recognize the preposterous, or creates it by extrapolating the situation. Again in its core it's simply something that is off. And it isn't escaping reality, but helps with facing reality.

That video is a parody of a certain mental gymnastics some people is willing to engage in.

Bernd 08/06/2020 (Thu) 22:01:26 [Preview] No.39079 del
I think humour is more like a vent. But is that so good? It reminds me of the delphi technique. I wonder if people 2000 years ago used to same humour as we do. Its so self depreciating today.

Also. I've noticed that lefties/marxists don't have any sense of humour. I wonder why that is.

Bernd 08/06/2020 (Thu) 22:09:18 [Preview] No.39080 del
On the IRC now, if you're interested.

Bernd 08/06/2020 (Thu) 22:11:15 [Preview] No.39081 del
we love kommunism: discord gg/qb47WP

Bernd 08/06/2020 (Thu) 22:15:46 [Preview] No.39082 del
Fuck off mountain jew bot.

Bernd 08/07/2020 (Fri) 05:30:51 [Preview] No.39085 del
There are many types of humour and many uses. People joke l'art pour l'art (I do it here often, just because I find something funny and don't care if others do or not, but it won't disturb me if they do), or people joke for social acceptance, etc.
Judging humour in the past isn't easy. We lack the context that made things humorous. This causes problems to historians, back in the day, like 19th century and first half of 20th, they concentrated lot on the events. What happened back then? But since then scientists interested more in answering the question "how did they live". And homour was part of their daily life just as now. And there are researchers who explore the humour of the people of the past. They find it's hard to pinpoint jokes due to lack of context which otherwise had to be obvious for the people of that era. They suspect many of the sources that are/were used to write the story of the events contain quite a few jokes and japes, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Bernd 08/07/2020 (Fri) 14:05:25 [Preview] No.39086 del
eh, no thanks. kids need to be force fed free software that respects your 4 essential freedoms and even comes with communitarianism Stallman flavor.

Bernd 08/07/2020 (Fri) 14:43:06 [Preview] No.39087 del
>das fühl when still no usable Tavrn

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Bernd 08/07/2020 (Fri) 21:26:28 [Preview] No.39098 del
>thinking you have "freedom" while using GNU while you're still literally operating using an operating system that other people made

Bernd 08/08/2020 (Sat) 06:32:05 [Preview] No.39099 del
In fact using computer parts other people made - and which come with pre-installed proprietary softwares.

Bernd 08/08/2020 (Sat) 06:34:37 [Preview] No.39100 del
He is doing it wrong.
How about switching slave and master, black and white so they would mean the opposite thing from now on. That would be justice of social for realz.

Bernd 08/08/2020 (Sat) 13:20:19 [Preview] No.39103 del
You may have written that in jest but cs lewis wrote about that in his book abolition of man.

"This is one of the many instances where to carry aprinciple to what seems its logical conclusion produces absurdity. It is like thefamous Irishman who found that a certain kind of stove reduced his fuel bill byhalf and thence concluded that two stoves of the same kind would enable him to
warm his house with no fuel at all. It is the magician's bargain: give up our soul,get power in return. But once our souls, that is, ourselves, have been given up, thepower thus conferred will not belong to us. "


Bernd 08/08/2020 (Sat) 15:11:57 [Preview] No.39104 del
Want to chat on the IRC now?

Bernd 08/08/2020 (Sat) 15:16:15 [Preview] No.39105 del
I may, I mayn't.

Bernd 11/21/2020 (Sat) 09:42:13 [Preview] No.41094 del
Great podcast with a few guests.


I think anyone with a functioning brain can see clearly this year that the system is communitarianism.

Bernd 11/23/2020 (Mon) 16:13:39 [Preview] No.41142 del
The most secure prison is one where the inmates are not aware they are in prison.

Bernd 11/23/2020 (Mon) 17:33:45 [Preview] No.41143 del
Is that really a prison?
There's a reason why prisons are like prisons. It you check it, you'll see no criminal code says "it is forbidden" or similar, those laws just say, if you do X you have to give Y in return. This can be money for example (in the form of a fine), or the life of the perp (capital punishment). Or he can pay with a certain time from his life: "you took away that purse, we take away a year". So they deny him the right to decide about mostly anything in his life, from the freedom of movement, to choosing his meals. They restricts what he can see, hear, touch, taste, smell. Without noticing and knowing the difference between being in the prison and not it would lose the meaning.

Bernd 11/24/2020 (Tue) 00:22:13 [Preview] No.41146 del
>Is that really a prison?
>Without noticing and knowing the difference between being in the prison and not it would lose the meaning.
For you, and other prisoners. I presume that was the point: you won't even think about getting out if don't know you are in. And obviously Sweden implies that not everyone is a prisoner! So there are still those who can tell the difference, the jailers themselves for one.

Bernd 11/24/2020 (Tue) 02:56:26 [Preview] No.41149 del

the panopticon is a good example I think.

"the fact that the inmates cannot know when they are being watched means that they are motivated to act as though they are being watched at all times. Thus, the inmates are effectively compelled to regulate their own behaviour."

read the wiki page attila

Bernd 11/24/2020 (Tue) 04:09:18 [Preview] No.41150 del
No, that's different. Knowing there is a panopticon already tells you that you are a (kind of) prisoner.

Bernd 11/24/2020 (Tue) 18:58:38 [Preview] No.41158 del
The whole idea behind prison is to give feedback to the prisoner that he was a very bad guy. Crime and punishment.
A person can be captive without being in a prison, slavery is a good example for that. And maybe I would rather use that term for what Swebernd suggested.

They know where they are tho. Well, what he said: >>41150

Bernd 12/05/2020 (Sat) 09:37:35 [Preview] No.41321 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JAgE1UnqTTw [Embed]

Good video of what communitarianism is

I liked larks description too, its tyranny with a smiley face :)

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