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Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:14:59 [Preview] No. 40802
Polish bernds, explain, IMMEDIATELY.
>According to United States Congress Joint Immigration Commission which ended in 1911, Polish immigrants to the United States born in around Kraków reportedly declared themselves as Bielochrovat (i.e. White Croat)
Why would Polacks call themselves White Croats? Are Poles and Croats lost brothers???


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:19:07 [Preview] No.40803 del
>IMMEDIATELY
no, you will have to show patience first


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:20:30 [Preview] No.40804 del
Supposedly White Croats lived about that area over 9000 years ago. I think Nestor chronicle (maybe it's called Primary chronicle or something like this) notes them. Not sure if it shows in toponyms for example, or in archaeological remains (as far as I know Slavs about those times belongs in the same archaeological culture).
Not sure their relation to "normal" Croats. I also dunno if their language was preserved in any form.


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:22:28 [Preview] No.40805 del
>>40804
yes they probably did, however, the question is why would they call themselves bielochrovati and for how long have they been doing that?


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:23:09 [Preview] No.40806 del
>>40803
You are right. I was hasty to reply, I was enthusiastic when saw a new ball around.


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:28:00 [Preview] No.40807 del
>>40803
please?


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:28:11 [Preview] No.40808 del
>>40805
I think there's a giant hiatus between ~900AD and ~1900AD in White Croats.


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:42:12 [Preview] No.40810 del
Maybe there's another angle here.
Those arrived from Austria-Hungary. Are you the Portugoose who makes Austria-Hungary threads on Kohl? Those times many emigrated to America (to the whole continent, North and South and Mezo) from Austria-Hungary. Maybe they just did not want to say they are Poles, for some reason. Or that area, Galicia, was abundant in Jews for example, and they too left the Monarchy. Could be them?


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:54:36 [Preview] No.40811 del
Okay so first of all I have never heard term Bielochrovat in my life, it doesn't even sound polish (unlike Krakus and Krakowiak which are well known).

I tried to google some info and of course wiki comes up first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croats
White Croats, or simply known as Croats, were a group of Early Slavic tribes who lived among other West and East Slavic tribes in the area of modern-day Lesser Poland, Galicia (north of Carpathian Mountains), Western Ukraine, and Northeastern Bohemia. They were documented primarily by foreign medieval authors and managed to preserve their ethnic name until the early 20th century, primarily in Lesser Poland (Lesser Poland is where Kraków is btw). It is considered that they were assimilated into Czech, Polish and Ukrainian ethnos,and are one of the predecessors of the Rusyn people. In the 7th century, some White Croats migrated from their homeland, White Croatia, to the territory of modern-day Croatia in Southeast Europe along the Adriatic Sea, forming the ancestors of the South Slavic ethnic group of Croats.

>Are Poles and Croats lost brothers???
It unironically might be. I was in Croatia and I found it very easy to communicate with them because their language seemed similar, in fact more similar than Czech. I also knew a Croatian dude on internets, we spoke primarily in english of course but sometimes we would start speaking slav for fun and it was the sames.


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 17:57:10 [Preview] No.40812 del
>>40811
The ease of communications with Croatians were also confirmed by all of people I know who had contact with them.


Bernd 10/31/2020 (Sat) 22:23:41 [Preview] No.40815 del
>>40810
no I'm from croatia, don't know why my flag is portugal
I haven't been on this board for a long time is this some joke


Bernd 11/01/2020 (Sun) 08:22:37 [Preview] No.40818 del
>>40815
>don't know why my flag is portugal
Probably because you use .org
Try .net, the geolocation is more precise, Croatia has nice hat.


Bernd 11/03/2020 (Tue) 21:09:21 [Preview] No.40847 del
Found something in Hungarian, short Abstract as intro in English.
http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/RUSYNS.htm
Seems to be a presentation on a conference, some historical stuff, but given by a physicist. Chiefly about Northern Hungarians and Rusyns, but a section is about White Croats.
The author also knows about that document mentioning ~100 000 White Croats (he gives a link where it is/was published, it seems it redirects to elsewhere now), emigrated to the US from around Krakow. He adds, that up to about 1860 the average Polish serf did not call himself a Pole, those were the nobles, but he identified himself as a local ethnicity. He does not mention how this Bielochrovat ethnicity could survive about a millennia without being mentioned anywhere, tho it isn't his point anyway.
In the Appendix some further info. About the founders of Kiev funny coincidence - elsewhere this was our topic, that they were Alans, and the Alans supposedly had three tribes: Serboi, Choroates, and Antae. Choroates seems to be the Croats. The Nestor chronicle preserved three names of three leader of the founders Kyj, Scsek, and Khoryv - in the third Croat was preserved. As elsewhere we talked about, a theory identifies them as Hungarians: Kő, Csák, and Geréb.
Croats being Alans originally would mean, they had Iranian language first, and they changed to Slavic later during their ethnogenesis (similarly how Bulgarians left behind their Turkic language).

Hungarian Wikipee also calls them - what I could transliterate as - visyan or vislan.



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