MAcross 7 is really campy and is more about hijinks with the cast than an overreaching plot. But the story, if you cut out 70% of the show which is filler, is that the origin story of the movie is seen as canon and music can take the monsters that drove the protoculture to the brink of destruction. Music also will be able to save the Macross 7 fleet so they can find a planet to settle on.

No it doesn't break any pacifistic concepts, Basara and crew seek to end conflict through music alone.

It probably was the turning point for Macross to be be a campy mess about peace through alternative means and while not being the worst (that goes to delta) it can be blamed for the road we're on now.

There will never be anything like the original Macross or Orguss, it's a shame but thank fuck they were made so we can enjoy them time and again.

>>180
Thanks, I'll just stick to the original Macross and Macross Plus then. Have heard good things about the Orguss but from what little I've seen it looks like "gender equality" bullshit made its way into the show. I just can't stand it when shows pretend that women are the norm in combat roles, sorry.

>>181
Women get trashed in Orguss so I don't know what you're talking about. There's one female ace pilot like there was in macross though. Voiced by the same lady who did Millia, pretty lol.

pic related

also (if you didn't know) pic related is voiced by the same lady who did millia. It's hard to believe she still is in the business.

She's the mom is one of the best mecha shows in quite some time, kuromukuro. About on par with Crossange but goes in a much different direction.

>>182
They might get trashed but they make up a good bunch of the crew. It just reeks of gynocentrism for me. I don't mind the portrayal of women in combat roles if done properly. Like in VOTOMs or GitS and UC Gundam, with the exception of the Strike Team.

>>185
I think post and pre Shiro Gits reps women well. In pre only women who abandon their humanity and femininity can keep up with men. Same goes for post despite the female prime minister who is useless without Section 9 backing her up.

>>186
Allow me to pontificate for a moment as it is I who have a profane level of autismal understanding for los anime.

To begin there is no pre-shiro. Shiro Masasmune penned and wrote the Ghost in the Shell manga as well as Black Magic, Appleseed, Dominion (Tank Police), and to a much lesser extent Pandora in the Crimson Shell. There is no pre-shiro it is shiro and all that came after(post-shiro) are his franchises that are abused to be tryhard super serious futuristic military IPs. To the best of my knowledge only Dominion (Tank Police) and Black Magic are close to the manga.

Also, feminism as it stands today is 3rd wave feminism. 3rd wave feminism started in the mid to late 1st decade of the 21st century when the progressive push started to be made. GitS being written in 1991 was in the period of 2nd wave feminism. Allow me to tell you why this is important.

1st Wave Feminism - Started in the 1890s and sought to give women land owning rights as well as voting rights, and had influencial women often meet to discuss social events.

2nd Wave Femnism- Started in the mid 1960s and sought to free women from their roles as stale mother figures to let loose their sexuality upon the world. "Their sexuality" being lose leggedness and flirtatious women to women scissor sessions.

3rd Wave Feiminism- Started in 2006 and is a program to eliminate men from having reproductive rights and remove them from places of employ that are traditionally male and well paying. It's bigoted and wrought with man hating cunts trapped in a pyramid scheme who are allowed to be sexist because we're in a huge progressive pull right now.

Ghost in the Shell, being written in 1991, dealted very much with feminism because Kasanagi was a fucking whore.

So GitS is loaded with feminism. It's cucked because nomatter what time period the franchise is looked at it has a woman in it that is either sexually free or being a bulldyke who is doing everything for men and being better than men.

btw, if you didn't know, shiro does stuff like pic related now

>>187
What I mean by pre shiro is before he became the porn obsessed, bad photo shop making, cg abusing, black cock obsessed, maniac we know today. In GitS we see him slowly, denegrating to the absolute madman we see today harder than in any other work.

And no, I think you're way off the mark. Kusanagi's character is not about promoting female independence. It's quite the opposite, it's her abandoning her femininity in the name of her job so hard she's literally no longer human.

In the manga she's just some sex crazed cyborg who's obsessed with combat and slight web surfing. The anime takes this a notch even further by stripping away her sexuality. They have her treat sex so non-chalantly she even offers her cyborg pussy to some random kid in the war torn slums.

It comes to the point that all she can do is tease Batou, and be awkward and can only genuinely get her puss wet over Kuze. So no GitS is not as feminized as you would think. Whether it was intentional or not can definitely affect the way you percieve the series however, I'll grant you that.

>>188
Excellent post for a dead board.