>>2260
By the way, I wasn't sure about posting the image of Jesus Christ since Jews hate Christ.
But he's making the same hand-sign in that depiction of him.

>>2260
The biggest problem with syncretism is that there's no sense of an original definition, anything and everything is defined external to the source material. There's also the reality that religious concepts change in time as different cultures adapt it to fit their needs. How the Greeks think of one deity is not equivalent to how say the Jews think of the same deity. Historians back then also didn't really have enough information to go around as they took something that looks close enough as if it was the same thing when the Mithraic feast is incomparable with the Jewish passover feast. Looking at religions at its external representation is in and of itself the biggest mistake the commoner makes.

I am unaware of that tradition though am familiar with its name amoung other traditions like Zoroastrian and Kemit etc.
http://www.hourofthetime.com/1-LF/Dec%2014/The_Mysteries_of_Mithra_1903.pdf
CTRL+F Mithra on this page is a good summery
https://viefag.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/mystery-babylon-bill-cooper-hour-9-initiation/
For some reason I thought of the saying "Mirth is king" With the royal order of jesters. Perhaps Mirth is really Mithra? Maybe not but freemasonry does claim to be the current version of the ancient mysteries and the cult of mithras was one of those traditions.
Mithras was featured in a film called "the conspiracy"
So a modern day version of that was imagined like this https://youtu.be/WRUXh8Gn4KY?t=3529
Now its asinine to try and deduce a modern day version of this cult from a horror movie but the movie shows an initiatic hunt wherein they slay a man. Very much what one would expect a la the aztecs rolling heads down pyramids.

>>2262
I think you're right. It makes it really hard to figure out what's going on, for me at least.

>>2267
The problem is that among syncretists, they honestly believe it and even lie about where they get their sources. Freemasonry is full of said liars just like in many "new age" cults inspired by the very person that coined "Christ Consciousness", a Jesuit. That's the exoteric melting pot that is always is the means that some malevolent being use to push one narrative over another. Although I do adhere to a "metareligion" in a purely metaphysical context of conveying things through a story that is beyond the face value literal interpretation, I don't attribute how one religion's method of explaining a deep concept to be one to one equivalent explanation that's also found in another religion even though the core principle held between and independently from each other is an inevitable divinely inspired phenomenon, it doesn't therefore mean that one religion copied from another unless proven otherwise with undeniable facts. There are some cults (I use "cult" as a neutral term) that do expressively take certain concepts from other cults but they also express how and why their way is different. This is only harder to tell in any hierarchical system that's in place to keep unwanted people from interfering with their affairs with is reasonable for any cult to have some societal immunity of influence from the world, but at the same time, the pond scum always rises to the top and inverts the system on its head, whether through a gradual system of brainwashing, or just a total and permanent restructuring from the inside out. You need to have some sense of detachment from one's own ambivalence to these matters if you really want to see things for how it really is because the only kind of "stress" that you'd get is in getting sucked into their mess instead of seeking independence from the very things that bothers you and focus on what actually matters in your life.

>>2269
It's only "hard to figure out" if I want to figure it out. I know that in the end the only thing that matters is ones emotion. Everyone wants to maximize positive emotions, and minimize negative emotions. And if we understand each other correctly (through truth) and are able to feel empathy for others then we can solve most of our problems.

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>>2270
Emotions or feelings is just one aggregate of consubstantial mortal life of which there will be ups and downs to that comes with age and decay before inevitable death. Unlike you, I don't care about emotions or feelings, not the I that is the body, but the I that is aware that the body is not I.

>>2266
8/christian/ is a shitshow now. It was kind of cool a year ago but now I just go on there for non /pol/ related news that I didn't come across by myself.

>>2272
>Unlike you, I don't care about emotions or feelings, not the I that is the body, but the I that is aware that the body is not I.
If you really didn't you wouldn't do anything, not sleep, not eat, not drink, not move, not X.
There's a reason why every living organism has emotions.

>>2273
Conflating the I that sees itself as the body and the I that knows it's not the body is to confuse the two selves as one when only one of the two selves is the ontological immortal soul, while the other self is consubstantial "ensouled" self which is bound to physical death. Those that don't understand this always make wild assumptions. Take care of your body, but you are not the body. Thinking that emotions is all that is worth living for is what hedonists and materialists strive for.

>>2274
I (think I) understand you but we don't think we agree on this.
I think what we should strive for is maximization of positive emotions for everyone, without altering the core of human functioning or by use of drugs.

>>2275
>but we don't think we agree on this.
but we don't agree on this
>or by use of drugs.
Which includes trickery like gaming, porn, deception, lies, propaganda.

>>2275
>>2276
The pursuit of happiness is sought with blood, sweat, and tears of which no manifest good nor evil lasts forever even if it lasts for thousands of years. Of course, do good, but the goal isn't for pleasure for pleasure's sake for nobody will find true pleasure in physicality alone for all physical cravings are in perpetual cycles, just as you eat every day and hopefully have a bowel movement every day, so is life bound to cycles of perpetual ups and downs of which creating a world that maximizes the good is not in and of itself mere emotions, for that is a mere byproduct of the good, just as chaos is the absence of understanding what's really going on, so is emotion for the sake of being emotional is not a well grounded purpose for it isn't based upon what's true.

>>2277
>but the goal isn't for pleasure for pleasure's sake for nobody will find true pleasure in physicality alone for all physical cravings are in perpetual cycles,
What is 'true pleasure', and what if it were possible for one to find 'true pleasure' in physicality alone?
>good is not in and of itself mere emotions, for that is a mere byproduct of the good
I agree, though then the question becomes what is (doing) good and what is (doing) evil.

To put it another way, the pursuit of happiness is neither the meaning nor purpose of life while meaning of life is a necessary prerequisite to have a meaningful purpose within one's mortal life or else it's a meaningless purpose, undefined, invalid, like a dead tumbleweed tumbling where the wind takes it.

>>2279
Well, I see it this way. The meaning of life is embedded deep in your brain. Emotion controls you, your mind, your behavior, but you do not control emotion.
So, what controls emotion? You could trigger emotion by using drugs, or deceiving yourself, or by stimulating certain parts of your brain.
But without that, what controls your emotion, naturally. I do not have the answers, but I'm of the opinion that can be found in your brain also.

>>2278
Pleasure is pleasure, though true is in context to that of which is "real" or "ontic", while what's false is unreal. What is true is inseparable with what is reality, but those that confuse reality with physicality exclusively are fools that also deny their own souls.

Good and Order are Absolute of which Truth is used to define what was previously undefined in order to have the means to set up an epistemological system through first understanding what is true in removing what isn't true first before synthesizing the timeless truths with the true self that can then express the divine truth albeit not a direct 1 to 1 expression but nevertheless creating the means to manifest the good that is absolutely true.

>>2280
There is no physical meaning that can be physically isolated from the brain. Those that do are as stupid as seeking to find the soul when the soul is not a physical entity. The body itself is another aggregate that the soul had consubstantially localized through it in so far as animating the vessel we call the body.

>>2281
>>2282
I haven't looked into the metaphysical aspect of things too much, I know you have done so extensively and there might be truth to it, I don't know.
But a few questions that I have are, is physicality part of reality? And who or what controls the soul or where does the soul exist if it does.

>>2283
>is physicality part of reality?
Probably yes, but if reality is not physicality alone, what is missing?

>>2283
Physicality is an attribute of the physical world, the kosmos aisthetos, "matter", but that isn't to say that there isn't a metaphysical world, the kosmos noetos, "shapes". The Psyche/soul is within both aspects of the illusory dual realm of the cosmos, but there is an unmanifest realm that is at the center of the universe, not physically though since there's no way of escaping the field of manifestation while within the field itself. The dual nature of the cosmos are lesser expressions of the singular source that emanated both the seen and unseen. The ouroboros is really a net value of 0 in a perpetual state of creation and destruction, beginningless and endless, unlimit, limitless, for it is the psyche tou pantos, the panpsychic collective of the cosmos that is inseparable with the Nous/"Intellect"/"Spirit" but it is only it's manifest attribution to the unmanifest divine state of the Nous of which only knows itself as the Monad while the Monad itself doesn't know, it just is pure unmanifest potential of which the Nous can be though of as a mirror that reflects back into the sun as it only sees itself as the sun. The reason why Plato uses fire in the cave analogy is because the Nous having unlimited potential also have unlimited expression of the potential so it releases said energy outside of itself which in doing so only forms a hollow, empty shadow of itself as a projected "shadow puppet".

Let me say it this way, imagine a movie projector. There's light at one end, there's a film roll, then there's the projected image. The light that has gone through the film is the consubstantial self. The film itself is not you. Who you really are is the unadulterated form of light before it had gone through the film.

>>2285
Thanks, though it's hard for me to wrap my head around.
Nice talking to you by the way, hope I didn't waste your time.

>>2285
The kind of "controlling" that people can do against others is obviously twofold: physical, and metaphysical. How metaphysically? By not telling you how to engage the dialectic by yourself to come to the truth for yourself that you can verify for yourself, of which others can also emulate and know for themselves what is true.

>>2287
Thanks. I think I understand what you're saying. Though isn't it a fact that some people are physically incapable of engaging a dialectic?

>>2288
Bit of a strange guy isn't he...

>>2289
Such people are either untrained or are only physically incapable since consciousness exists within mortal life. To those that really can't think, well, genuine pity is by its nature from a top down perspective in realizing that others can't realize for themselves anything. For your own safety and sanity though, don't push it to people that just don't get you after the third time for there ultimately is an existentially bound spiritual hierarchy though that would all be nullified after death into the afterlife.

>>2291
Are there individuals or groups that have or had the Truth about all of this, and properly utilized it to this day?

>>2290
He shitposts for sure. If you can't tolerate him, it's your loss, but you can instead read his books.

https://ia802502.us.archive.org/31/items/magnetism1small/magnetism1small.pdf
https://ia600207.us.archive.org/1/items/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism.pdf
https://ia600803.us.archive.org/15/items/PythagorasPlatoAndTheGoldenRatio/PythagoreanGoldenRatio.pdf

I doubt that you'll get it in one read though.

>>2293
I just wanted to say that I can read him, and he seems like a honest guy. Thanks a lot!

>>2292
Groups? Not really at a significant number AND quality. There is a group that is generally aware of ancient metaphysics which they call themselves Perennialists but I'd say the majority of them aren't even worth my time while some /pol/ fags uses it for political means.

>>2295
Alright

>>2296
P.S.: He's politically a boomer, I just ignore some of his more political commentary.

Oh by the way, I consider emotions not be perceptible all the time, emotion comes in gradations, you can feel unperceivably angry, or ununperceivably happy, et cetera.
I'm saying that because he talked briefly about emotions, and he seems to think emotions are only the conscious, highly dosed ones. Maybe I need to be using a better suitable word for it.

>>2297
Yeah, noticed that. He, like most others, see Hitler as the most evil guy. I know that to be a Big Lie.
>>2298
Stuff like "being emotional all the time", I guess that means having emotions in a high enough "dosage", or something, since one is never without emotion.

If you want to be healthy, I recommend this guy's youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIEiE-hnAUXUZNNeMJsZBYA

>>2299
Emotions are expressions of one self towards something else. However, are you defined by your emotions? The answer is no.

>>2300
Thanks.

>>2300
Thanks for introducing me (and others who read this) to this stuff, much appreciated. Liking the person you introduced me to as well, thanks man.

>>2303
>the person
Should clarify, I mean kathodosdotcom. Haven't checked out the person in >>2300

>>2304
His name is Kenneth Lee Wheeler. His kathodos website had been shutdown since the US government for a short time was very interested in his research or something, I don't recall clearly as to why.

Frank Tufano and a couple of people like him are among the few that really walks the talk about health. Not much people come close to what he knows.

>>2305
Not much has been archived on the Internet Archive sadly, though a bit remains:
''web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kathodos.com/*‘‘
I hope his books contain it all still.

>>2306
There is this but is also incomplete.

https://archive.li/NVezW

>>2306
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kathodos.com/*

>>2307
Thanks

I think the Conspiracy Against Humanity (mostly Jewish elites?) knows all about this don't they?
I mean I think they've been involved in the seizure of Nikola Tesla's equipment, J.P. Morgan (Rothschild agent) has neglected his request for financing. Among other things, like the corruption of science, the corruption of words, etc.

>>2307
Also, more here:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://aryan-buddhism.blogspot.com/*

>>2308
Jews have their watered down form in copying hellenic metaphysics but also at the same time failing to understand it from their perspective. They've stolen Pythagorean, Platonic, even Neoplatonic concepts and utterly misinterpret it and reinterpret it through various bullshit means.

If I recall corectly, "It" seized Nikola Tesla's stuff because he came from a country that's communistic or he known someone that's a communist. If you want to know about the history of electrical engineering and electrical theory, look up Eric P. Dollard, he makes a generally sufficient explanation but insufficient in certain areas concerning field theory which requires negative dialectics (kathodos, theoria apophasis, via negativa, neti-neti, "reductionism", retroduction)

>>2310
Thanks, I must say his use of Aryan and the Swastika seem really strange for now, I'm sure I'll understand later.
These are the same Aryans as the Aryans in the Rig Veda right?

>>2311
Aryan means noble but in India, they were the Scythians (slavs), Gotama (Buddha) for example was white. The swastika isn't any negative thing regardless of left or right orientation, diamond or square position, doesn't matter. It's just the Big Dipper changing orientation through the four seasons going around the North Star.

>>2312
> It's just the Big Dipper changing orientation through the four seasons going around the North Star.
Makes sense, I know certain (supposedly) pre-glacial civilizations had a very deep knowledge of astrology, they have incorporated much of their knowledge in the alignment, dimensions, etc. of ancient monuments or buildings.
And besides knowledge of astrology they knew of the speed of light for example.
Much of that can be found in a 2010 documentary called "The Revelation of the Pyramids":
https://invidio.us/watch?v=2fS9ixfQ_no

If you have looked a tiny bit into ancient (pre-glacial) civilizations, you'll notice the huge amount of deception going on there (Aliens, elongated skulls, ancient astronauts, misinterpretation of symbolism, etc).

>>2313
Oh and not to forget, top-notch stone (including granite) masonry skills, and cut stones weighing approx. 1,100 tons ("Stone of the Pregnant Woman"), and stones like these have been transported from the quarry to its place at the "Temple of Bacchus" (or "Heliopolis", "Temple of Jupiter") which is a distance of approx. 800 meters.
No known ancient civilization could have possible done such a thing.

>>2313
The whole Egyptians knew the speed of light (technically called the rate of induction) thing is very dubious to say the least. Much of the "numerology" certain people use on Youtube are from Carl Munck's stuff which he rounds numbers so it's not accurate to say the very least.

I would recommend you watch this https://youtube.com/watch?v=C4JPMYHTZis [Embed] and the Survive the Jive channel for a different but well researched perspective on some of these topics you're interested in.

>>2315
Egyptians have little to do with this, despite your immediate connection you made with the Pyramids and the Egyptians. I urge you to watch the documentary, it's truly interesting, with no obvious disinformation (which is rare nowadays!)

>>2314
Modern people in general had lost the hidden art of negative dialectic methodology. Ropes, pulleys, logs, even sand and water can go a long way.

>>2316
The whole flood thing is a misunderstanding, they've used water. Here's an example of an actual explanation as to how the pyramids were built https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1y8N0ePuF8 [Embed]

>>2316
I should've made it clear that regarding the stone masonry, the same technique (which is very distinct) can be found at Peru, Egypt, and even Easter Island (a wall there). So again, has little to do with the Egyptians, possible the "first Egyptians" which have probably little to do with them.

Much of what is attributed to the known Egyptians is misattributed to them, and they've simple "inherited" much of that.

>>2317
Well, there have been huge climatic changes happening roughly 12,000 years ago. Picture attached is the sea level rise alone.

>>2318
The Great pyramid of Giza were built at least 4500 years ago. My statement haven't changed concerning using TOOLS like ropes, pulleys, logs, sand, water, etc., and it applies to all of the megalithic sites.

>>2320
I know that the documentary doesn't give a proper logical explanation based on what you've said. I've looked into many variants of these kinds of documentaries and they are very deceptive.

>>2321
Right, don't be fooled by the disinformation, they almost always use truth but wrap it in disinformation.
Which is a very effective way at deception, because it caused people who takes this seriously to not be taken seriously, and have people who look into this to dismiss the truth all together if they do not believe in UFOs, aliens, ancient astronauts, etc.

>>2324
Not a valid argument. Watch this too, because really, 99% of what you think is a legitimate theory kind of falls flat in closer inspection. This is basically /x/ repellent: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_pLz93g-ux8 [Embed]

>>2325
Alright, that's your loss (to use your words). I'm going to sleep now.

>>2326
You yourself haven't looked into what I've looked into.

>>2327
I don't know, therefore ayylmao? No. The fact of the matter is again due to people generally being unable to think anymore, as ignorant as you are. The US used to have LOTS of stonemasons and carpenters but these days there's too little people that know how to chisel out a cave. Freemasons don't know how to do actual stonemasonry.

>>2327
There's so much more, but it's scattered all over the web, I need to get that stuff organized.
It almost always has to do with stone modification.
Anyway, I still urge you to watch it, it won't hurt.

>>2327
> I still urge you to watch it, it won't hurt.
Err, you aren't the same person, as >>2328 right?

>>2328
>You yourself haven't looked into what I've looked into.
Mate I've been downloading all his stuff, have watched over 2,5 hours of his videos. What are you talking about, I mention one documentary an d you are refusing to watch it... ironic.

>>2330
no

>>2328
not trying to disparage any efforts to find out. Just looking at the size and intricacy of these things not to mention the stability can't help but be mystified by it.

>>2331
I am watching it, already 30 minutes in and it's all junk so far for it gives no actual attempt at an explanation.

>>2333
Okay, so not an explanation per se, but a presentation of interesting facts. I brought it up since you might have more information on it, so you might connect some dots. Nothing else.

Thanks for all the information you provided by the way. Much appreciated.
Not having ids is kinda confusing, I'll sign-off now.

>>2334
Some of said "facts" withhold actual information and realistic theories that they deliberately don't present, it's all to fit a narrative that insists that humans are too dumb which is a huge waste of time in and of itself because you aren't spending time thinking in nonlinear methods.

>>2335
That's a possibility. I thought it was interesting enough to share. I guess forget about that then.

I must say I really enjoy listening to Kenneth Lee Wheeler. I'll try to read his books starting tomorrow. Thanks again.
>I'll sign-off now.

All I'm really saying is that the kind of people are so amused by the fact that modern people are generally too stupid to know how ancient people had done stonework yet are equally too stupid to understand that denying something to be false isn't an explanation to what is true. You need to improve upon what is true then remove what is false.

>>2337
I can understand you.

>>2338
DISCLAIMER: I don't deny the possibility of extraterrestrial lifeforms in a limitless universe, though I do however think that there's just insufficient empirical facts to back up the claims made by people that we already have contacted them. I treat the whole alien contact question as serious as checking the rape allegations by a SJW/communist/Jew. I also don't deny the reality of unexplained events and sightings that we currently don't understand and maybe won't ever understand for that matter since we can't go backwards in time to see what happened in detail, though that also isn't to say that there never is one but if there is, then it's just a problem of getting the information out, sort of like the Roswell thing being a top secret US experiment in trying to detect Russian missiles and such at a certain altitude that sound travels through long distances in the air. https://youtube.com/watch?v=VT128ElBWkM [Embed]

>>2340
Thanks.

>>2340
Oh by the way, Endchan will shutdown permanently once it goes down again. Where do we go from here? ZeroNet?

>>2342
Man, ZeroNet is a shithole for the most part and I don't do much on there for the general lack of people that is worth my time. I would say go on Diaspora* but I also don't want to dox myself (not using my IRL info on there though so there's no worries in that). If you are peg15, well, I am also on rizon.

>>2343
>ZeroNet is a shithole for the most part
I know. But does it matter?
>If you are peg15, well, I am also on rizon.
Not peg15, though I might get on IRC again.

>>2344
Whoops, already talked to that dude (sorry peg15 lmao)

There's no easy way to get in contact with me unless you go specifically on my zeronet site.

>>2345
>unless you go specifically on my zeronet site
Right. Is it worth creating a ZeroNet forum for Endchan refugees you think?

>>2346
Or a board on Millchan for that matter ...

>>2346
Nope. Imageboards and p2p don't go well together.

>>2348
True. Possibly only for the discussion of what platforms are suitable?

>>2349
Well there are imageboards on zeronet, they're either a pain in the ass to use or have CP all over. There was an email thing on zeronet but it's not easy to use and I never found anyone to try it one too.

>>2350
ZeroNet is sub-optimal in many ways... I'll see what I can do. But the fact remains that Endchan won't be along here for long.

>>2351
I think you're overacting a wee bit though it's good to think of endchan as some place that would inevitably disappear. So, have you thought of a plan yet?

>>2352
If you want to try the email feature on zeronet, hit me up through Zeromail [email protected]

>>2353
for >>2351

>>2353
Thanks, though regarding ZeroMail I know security and anonymity wise it is pretty bad (all peers know who is communicating to whom and when), though it's a possibility if we do not come up with something better.

>>2352
Maybe, and no I have no plans yet, spinning up a VPS could be a possibility.

>>2355
Anyone can make a new board on millchan, just don't go on obvious pedo boards.

The junk thing about miilchan is that I don't think there's any means to delete a post.

The ZeroMail thing is "supposedly" encrypted but who knows.

Wow this thread blew up. Is odilitime really abandoning the site? Why would he do that?

>>2358
I think he was being sarcastic and also tired and out of money since we didn't give him the shekels to keep this afloat so he had to use a shitty but free host to keep this all running.

>>2359
Seems like frustration. I just fucking bought a little bit of bitcoin with the fucking coinbase and you can't send or receive with the wallet only invest. I am gonna sell it back and try and use another service. Nothing special < 50$ but we can all do our part. I remember one time someone donated a few hundred and that supposedly kept the site up for almost 4 or 5 months.

>>2360
And I feel Like I did something by doing that hopefully I will go all the way and donate. But I am starting to think that screencap is the same guy who was impersonating odilitime on /operate/ after the migration fuckup saying he did it on purpose lol.

>>2359 >>2360
>Seems like frustration
I can see why Oddilitime would be frustrated with this site (and its users?)

Regarding monthly expenditure Endchan costs $100 (VPS + Dedicated server) a month to keep up[1], they have a little over $600 in donations[2] and the last donation was on Jul 31, 2017. Though this is only for the hosting costs, not for the maintenance which Odilitime does.
[1]: https://blockexplorer.com/address/18SMo6egCSLEpCDqiW8vJQmwiM5uTxwHH8
[2]: https://endchan.xyz/.static/donations.html

>>2362
[1] and [2] should be switched.

people where talking about zeronet. The only thing I saw as suspicious was that it loads pages equally as fast while running zeronet through proxies/tor and running it normally ./
It may just be the way the content loads but aside from that and the javascript it seems like a nice modern looking sort of torrent-web.
I have been interested in IPFS the interplanetary file system. It is distributed and seems to be pretty ideal for archival of webpages pic related is what got me interested.

>>2322
Meh, not bad work for a bunch of knuckle draggers that would only cost us multiple millions upon millions of dollars to replicate in it's young, pristine condition.

>>2260
Judaism was a Dionysus cult that got tied into a Judean identarian movement in Canaan.
The Judeans were originally a subset of Canaanite people, and Hebrew was just a dialect of Canaanite mutually intelligible with the other dialects. They decided to start a regionalist movement because they wanted independence from the other Canaanite tribal leaders. The cult of Dionysus was already somewhat popular in Judea (as it was throughout Greece and other areas of the Mediterranean), so the leaders of Judea decided to make the Dionysian religion a distinctive feature of Judean identity, setting them apart from their Canaanite siblings who still practiced generic Semitic polytheism.
The cult of Dionysus originated in Mesopotamia, near the Zagros Mountains, circa 6000 BC. It spread west alongside winemaking technology. Wherever viticulture appeared, so too did the Dionysian cult. The cultists generally memorized the texts rather than writing them down, because they did not want the common folk to learn of the mysteries (this is why we have very little written material from the Greek mystery cults, for example).
The Judeans were the exception to this rule. They wrote down the ancient Dionysian texts because they wanted to carve their identity "in stone" so to speak. They translated the texts into Hebrew, and translated "Dionysus" as "Yahweh", a minor Canaanite god who ruled over the region of Judea.
Judeans didn't actually come from Mesopatamia, they were of Levantine descent just like all Canaanites. They wewuzzed as Mesopotamians because the Dionysian texts they translated into Hebrew follow the history of the Dionysian cult as it spread out of Mesopotamia, and they wanted to identify themselves with the progenitors of the Dionysus cult.

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