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Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:06:30 [Preview] No. 32381
I just realised something... something spooky as fuck.

You know how sumo is derived from some ancient rituals? How it was performed in shrines, to appease the kami, to ensure prosperity? It was only later professionalised, and is now performed on a national level by salaried wrestlers, but there are still many religious elements, from how the ring is consecrated by a priest before each tournament, yokozuna entering the ring with that big white rope around his belt, to wrestlers actually throwing salt into the ring before each bout as a means of consecration. It is a deeply religious ritual, somehow performed to appease the kami for the entire nation of Japan. Kinda like how the ancient Olympic Games were performed on temple grounds, and were a form of vitalist worship of Greek gods.

You know when's the last time sumo wasn't performed as scheduled? March 2011. The March of the earthquake and tsunami that rekt Japan. But guess what? The tournament was cancelled a month before. Because of some match-fixing scandal. Yep, that's right. And the earthquake happened 2 days before the tournament was scheduled.

The earthquake happened because the sumo ritual wasn't performed. Because the kami weren't appeased. They were pissed and caused the earthquake as a warning.

Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:10:45 [Preview] No.32383 del
I just hope you won't take photos of yourself dressed in nothing but a Muwashi.

Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:23:30 [Preview] No.32386 del
o-oh crap I'm gonna die in earthquake, I should have worshiped demons haha

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 06:06:33 [Preview] No.38819 del
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Calm down.
Volcanoes and tsunamis almost never happen. Here is a picture of my sumo hero. Do you recognize him?

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 17:03:23 [Preview] No.38822 del
Turned out he took photos in even less.

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 19:25:41 [Preview] No.38830 del
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There are plenty of such spooky legends, it is specific genre of modern folklore.

Like Timur tomb legend: tomb was opened by Soviet archeologists at 19th of June 1941, and at 22th war started. Sources say that there was a curse of tomb (typical), evil spirit of war was inside it etc. Multiple strange thing occurred at excavation, equipment was broken, water suddenly filled tomb for some time, and more. And when Timur remains were buried there again at November of 1942, Red Army started to win at Stalingrad.

Of course there are no credible sources or proofs, and story looks like another "Pharaoh tomb curse" remake.

Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 19:27:43 [Preview] No.38832 del
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Oh, also forgot


Western barbarians are better in sumo, so gods are angry on their failed Japanese children.

Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 15:56:18 [Preview] No.38850 del
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Good story.
Curious the case of the Seuso Treasure.
It's a (probably) 14 piece silver treasure hoard originally found by a Hungarian soldier who dug illegally at an excavation of an antique Roman villa. His body found hanging by the neck from a tree, it is suspected he was murdered to rob him also to silence him about the origin of the treasure. The pieces found their way into the possession of the Marquess of Northampton. They were sold to him with falsified documents by Lebanese sellers claiming Lebanese origins. After the regime change the consequent Hungarian governments spent time and money on lawsuits to get the treasure back, fruitlessly (they sued the Marquess, but US court confirmed his rights he is a high ranking freemason btw, I'm not saying this could play any role in the decision of a US court...). Now we are paying for the right of safe-keeping... but at least they are home again. Supposedly.

Heh, I crossed my mind to post that.

haru basho 2021 Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 16:27:22 [Preview] No.42766 del
So... wanna follow sumo together?

March banzuke is out (since yesterday). Haru basho is starting in 2 weeks - this time in Tokyo instead of Osaka due to corona precautions making it easier to organise at home.

here's also Chris Gould's video on it (imo the best gaijin to follow for information on sumo in english) if you prefer an introduction with a little bit of commentary to just tables

a short recap:
- Kakuryu seems to be in good form, so he can squeeze another good result as yokozuna before retiring?
- Hakuho had corona in January, he looks solid enough to fight but not solid enough to excel. not clear if he won't just bail out the last moment
- Takakeisho had a disastrous last basho. He has to win 10 to keep ozeki rank.
- Terunofuji still sekiwake but he's probably earning ozeki promotion this tournament if nothing goes wrong.
- can Asanoyama start a run for yokozuna? (imo, not likely - but he was runner-up in January and with a champion title this time he might be near)
- if you like watching manlet sumo: look out for: Midorifuji (the katasukashi master: grab his shoulder and push him down), Tobizaru, Kotoeko, Terutsuyoshi; Enho and Ishiura are in 2nd division this time though
- Hoshoryu continues slowly climbing. Can he become a yokozuna like his uncle Asashoryu was? He's a mongol so he certainly has the chadvantage here :DDD
- Tochinoshin is still somewhere in the middle of top division. His knee and shoulder are fucked though and I don't think he'll be back at the top ever.

There's a bunch more promising young names a bit further down in 3rd division; otherwise sumo ranks seem a bit depleted these times. A lot of old rikishi past their peak and a lot of middle aged rikishi clearly not good enough to challenge the top. Sad!

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 17:05:51 [Preview] No.42767 del
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Sure. We'll prevent many earthquakes.
My granma liked to watch sumo. Well, she liked all kinds of sports.
I'm not up-to-date in the terminology however. Haru basho is hanbasho? And all the other stuff.
Will there be streams? Mayhaps we could through in some on End's cytube channel.

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 17:07:34 [Preview] No.42768 del
>Mangaljalav Anand
Is he in Indian Mongolian?

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 17:11:05 [Preview] No.42769 del
Haru is spring, so haru basho is the spring tournament.

There's a twitch channel that does livestreams (mbovosumo) and there's a youtube channel that does daily recaps (nattosumo) - well, he gets copyright strikes a lot lately.

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 17:14:54 [Preview] No.42770 del
That can be streamed on cytube.
Daily recaps would be nice since am too fairly busy these days.

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 17:15:56 [Preview] No.42771 del
It's a buddhist name in Mongolia. They have a decent amount of names of Sankrit etymology that way.

Another one: Hokuseiho, birth name Ariunaa Davaainj, is named after Arjuna.

Bernd 03/02/2021 (Tue) 20:13:00 [Preview] No.42775 del
>here's also Chris Gould's video on it (imo the best gaijin to follow for information on sumo in english) if you prefer an introduction with a little bit of commentary to just tables
Oh shit did I forget to link video?
Here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=g8-9Kkdqd0Y [Embed]

Bernd 03/03/2021 (Wed) 18:42:58 [Preview] No.42788 del
Okay. Watched it.
What's that East and West?

Bernd 03/03/2021 (Wed) 23:51:02 [Preview] No.42789 del
In practice: Two sides of the sumo hall. You'll notice that the wrestlers enter and leave the ring in two different ways - those are the east entrance and west entrance. (You'll notice that there's actually four corridors - but two are not used by wrestlers.) The ring entering ceremony is also performed each side separately. This however has no meaning for the matchmaking; bouts are not limited to one wrestler east vs. one wrestler west.

The sides east and west are decided before each tournament; wrestlers with the same numerical rank but one east and the other west are considered to having the same power ranking. However at the very top (yokozuna, ozeki, sekiwake and komosubi not so much) where differences are not that small, the wrestler considered stronger is normally placed in the east slot.

Hakuho is practically constantly Yokozuna east.

Bernd 03/04/2021 (Thu) 08:14:27 [Preview] No.42791 del
So when nuances matter, East is more prestigious.
Do they associate colors with cardinal directions?
What are those big waifu pillows hanged onto their front?

Bernd 03/04/2021 (Thu) 09:20:16 [Preview] No.42792 del
>Do they associate colors with cardinal directions?
You'll notice that above the dohyō (the ring itself on that clay platform) a roof is suspended, with four coloured tassels in place of where there would normally be pillars. They point towards four cardinal directions: green for east, red for south, white for west, and black for north.
Originally, those were actual pillars - they were replaced to prevent unwanted injuries from bumping into them when thrown out of the ring. Or, the official excuse is, because they were blocking clear view of the wrestlers. Because as we all know, big guys aren't afraid of getting hurt a little.

>What are those big waifu pillows hanged onto their front?
Keshō-mawashi. The wrestlers wear them for the ring entering; the ornate part is actually just one side of what's otherwise a normal loincloth (mawashi) like the one they wear during bouts. They're donated by sponsors and the design is often some kind of an advertisement.

Bernd 03/06/2021 (Sat) 16:02:47 [Preview] No.42822 del
Haru basho is starting on next Sunday.

There's now a couple updates on wrestlers' form and expectations:
• Kakuryu, the current yokozuna west, is determined to perform. He's sat out last three tournaments, and pulled out of so many tournaments after poor performance, he has only fought 4 out of last 14 basho until the last day. He sounds more sure about his form than usual (he often waited until the last day before announcing whether he's participating or not) however he mentioned that he has been having a bit of a cold for last three weeks. It is understood that it's just a slight flu and not corona.
• Terunofuji wants to seal the promotion to ozeki. He won 13 bouts in November and 11 in January, judging by historical statistics he will need another 11 this time. He hasn't participated in public practice though, and has been working on improving stamina instead.
• Takakeisho is kadoban ozeki. Kadoban means he's "cornered" – his poor performance last time means he will be demoted unless he wins 10. He has lost about 10-15kg since last tournament. Good for him, he was getting too fat and it's been ruining his stamina. His left ankle is still not completely healed, oops.
• Takayasu, currently on komusubi rank, says he's feeling back in top form and wants also to get back to ozeki rank, where he was all the time since mid-2017 until the end of 2019. He won 9 bouts in January (also as komusubi), and as a rule of thumb needs about 34 over 3 tournaments to get there, on an improving form – implies he can get there by summer if he wins 12 and 13 this time around and in May. Or, on a longer run, if he wins at least 11 every tournament from now on.
• Midorifuji, a lightweight who surprised in January not so much by great performance in lower top division as by that he won five (!) of his bouts by katasukashi – under-shoulder swing down, reports his back is fucked, a herniated disk or something. He's still in but can't expect to show a good performance. A shame; he put on a good show on January.

I will probably follow-up with a post explaining a bit of how bouts take place, with all the important terms you should probably memorise if you want to follow the commentaries.

Bernd 03/06/2021 (Sat) 17:09:19 [Preview] No.42823 del
>pulled out of so many tournaments after poor performance
How can he still remain yokozuna? Does he have so many victory?
How come some ranks have three competitors?
How much influence height and weight has? Is it know such things as muscle/fat ratio? Do they get weighed like boxers?
How a tournament is organized? Everyone wrestles everyone? Or is a there a group stage and knockout stage? A victory over a higher ranking sumo worth more points? And against a lower ranking worth less?

Bernd 03/06/2021 (Sat) 19:01:17 [Preview] No.42824 del
The top four ranks don't have a limit on how many wrestlers can hold them.
Yokozuna is a permanent title, usually awarded for an ozeki that wins two consecutive tournament titles, or (especially in case of a very dominating yokozuna already being active) one win and two runner-up in three, but criteria are subjective and decided on a case to case basis. Thus, there is no demotion from yokozuna; the most the sumo federation can do in case of such performance is write you a letter suggesting you to retire and apologise for shamefur dispray.
The title of ozeki is performance-based; an ozeki is expected to win at least 10 bouts every tournament; promotion is conferred upon reaching this level (usually 32-33 wins in 3 tournaments are needed to confirm form); and demotion comes after having a losing score (so 7-8 or worse) in two consecutive tournaments. (I mentioned before that Takakeisho needs 10 wins as a kadoban – this is incorrect; just a winning score will do, but 10 wins are the requirement to be immediately promoted back to ozeki. This is to allow for ozeki who had a bad performance due to injury to be able to return faster, so yeah, Takakeisho only needs 8 wins, not 10 this time around.) There are always at least two ozeki – but there have been situations where an ozeki was demoted freeing up his slot with no other wrestler ready for promotion. In those situations, one yokozuna is placed in the ozeki slot instead. At no point has it happened that there have been fewer than 2 ozeki and no yokozuna available to fill the vacancy, and nobody knows what happens in that case.
There's no limit to sekiwake and komusubi ranks and there's always at least two wrestlers in those slots – whoever is good enough to be near the top. If there's more than four wrestlers competing considered to be at this level, there will be extra slots created to accommodate them.
Usually there's 8-12 wrestlers in those top 4 ranks – but for example last March, there have been only 7 (with only one ozeki, so Kakuryu filled the other ozeki slot). I don't remember a case of there being more than 12 wrestlers that high up – perhaps at one point where there were 4 yokozuna active? Not in 2017 which is last time that happened, though.

There are no weight classes; so there's pressure to put on as much weight as possible before it weighs you down too much to kill your stamina. They do get weighed at regular health checks, though, so at least the rough data on their current weight is publicly known.
Height – for best performance you'd need to have long arms and short legs. Lower centre of mass is better for balance while longer grip is better for grapples. Top division wrestlers are generally around 185-190cm and 140-160kg, so it would seem that past 190cm average body build has too long legs. There's also not many under 175cm primarily because short wrestlers struggle with grapples, so short wrestlers are either extremely technically skilled (Enho, or Mainoumi during the 90s), or invest fully into pushing and thrusting (Takakeisho).
Body fat percentage? That is generally not known, but various data from health checkups implies most have about 20% body fat. To bulk up even more muscle and go for lower body fat percentage is probably doable – but apart from Tochinoshin few invest in that. Well Hakuho looks relatively lean too. Might change in the future? I think the current high fat is a bit of a fluke – response to Hawaiians and Samoans who dominated during the 90s. And it's easy to get a headstart into sumo as a kid if you're fat.

Bernd 03/06/2021 (Sat) 19:01:42 [Preview] No.42825 del
Tournament takes 15 days and the schedule – torikumi (can mean either a single bout or a daily schedule) – is decided a day ahead, even before the matches happen (so if a wrestler is injured during his bout the previous day, he will still have a scheduled match, and his opponent wins by default). At the start the schedule follows certain established patterns (top wrestlers never start facing each other); later on the schedule is adapted to current performance. Since there's a lot more than 15 wrestlers in a division, they will not all face each other. If a wrestler at the bottom of a division shows very good performance during first 10 days (when he normally wouldn't've faced anyone from the top of the banzuke), he will be scheduled to face other title contenders (to avoid an awkward situation where a wrestler who wasn't expected to win the title wins without having faced top contenders). Also, the yokozuna will face each other during the last day (or the last couple days when there's more than two). If there's more than one wrestler having the same winning score at the top on day 15, they will do extra playoff bout (or bouts if there's more than two).
In general, everything is improvised on spot.
Each win is one point, and – again in an improvised manner – the ranks for the next tournament are decided based on last tournament scores. Since wrestlers usually face other wrestlers ranked around them, there's no weighing of results based on opponents.

Bernd 03/07/2021 (Sun) 16:34:22 [Preview] No.42834 del
>Lower centre of mass
Maybe this is why fat is favored over large muscles. Fat deposits build lower, one can't really have bulky stomach and lower back muscles...

>if a wrestler is injured during his bout the previous day, he will still have a scheduled match, and his opponent wins by default
I think I see the reason behind that. It's kinda honor bounds the wrestler, preventing him to back out with some pretense if he doesn't want to face a scheduled opponent.

Bernd 03/08/2021 (Mon) 18:00:54 [Preview] No.42848 del
>Maybe this is why fat is favored over large muscles. Fat deposits build lower, one can't really have bulky stomach and lower back muscles...
Probably. Note that a lot of wrestlers also build enormous legs. Comes from all the squats and heavy pushing, and helps with keeping ground firmly. Tochinoshin's thighs were supposedly over 90cm at peak.

>I think I see the reason behind that. It's kinda honor bounds the wrestler, preventing him to back out with some pretense if he doesn't want to face a scheduled opponent.
Yep. A lot of rules are set around preventing wrestlers from backing out for no real reason. Note also that sitting out the tournament due to injury is considered equivalent to having a 0-15 losing score when it comes to setting the rankings for the next time. Some westerners will say it's unfair because it forces wrestlers to come into the ring while still not fully healed – but iirc there was a period where they were experimenting with being a bit more lenient and the result was, higher-ranked wrestlers would overblow injuries and sit out when they didn't feel at top form.
It's a bit of a bummer if you land down below 2nd division after an injury (only top two divisions have regular salaries, the rest are only entitled to having living expenses covered + small sum of pocket money), but if you're really that good, you'll be back up in no time. Terunofuji e.g. had a series of health related issues and an injury in early 2018 and quit in May, only to return in March next year, landing as low as Jonidan 48W (5th division), and after roflstomping everyone in his path was already in juryo by January 2020 and would have competed in May if not for corona tournament cancellation. And he's now challenging again for ozeki title, where he was in 2017.

Bernd 03/08/2021 (Mon) 18:26:09 [Preview] No.42849 del
Btw Asanoyama officially hinted at going for yokozuna. He mentioned in an interview that he's aiming to get promoted to a higher rank – and since he's already ozeki...

Bernd 03/09/2021 (Tue) 14:12:28 [Preview] No.42855 del
All these talking made me remember a Hungarian comic book - would have been three volumes, only two were published - about ninjas. Quite a few aspects of Japanese culture were conveyed by them there was a scene with sumos as well. Too bad I barely remember, I have somewhere those comic books, couldn't find them yet.
I looked up the author since his doctorate is noted by his name. He is an economist surprisingly, but he was an organizer of six karate world championship, so I assume he has a passion for martial arts, and Japan.

Bernd 03/09/2021 (Tue) 14:14:50 [Preview] No.42856 del
There was a scene depicting a samurai duel, the sumo scene was similar, sketching up some basic rules I think.

Bernd 03/11/2021 (Thu) 17:29:43 [Preview] No.42868 del
And – Kakuryu pulled out. He "injured his leg while training" or something.
Last time he performed as expected was last March. In July he quit after losing the very first bout, and he hasn't participated since.
It is expected he will receive another angry letter from the elders reminding him this is shamefur dispray and hints that he should retire.
Kakuryu is determined to give one final proper performance before that, though.

Corona tests came back negative for all wrestlers, but two coaches are positive. No word yet on whether any wrestlers will be quarantined, or if their contact has been limited enough for it to be considered safe. Word is that Sadogatake stable which has three wrestlers in top division (Kotonowaka, Kotoshoho, and Kotoeko) also had a corona outbreak earlier among lower ranked wrestlers (who have to live in communally, so personal isolation is not really possible for them), but top division wrestlers supposedly trained separately from them.

Today is also both Hakuho's 36th birthday (making him the oldest active yokozuna in over 50 years) and the 10th anniversary of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami.


Bernd 03/11/2021 (Thu) 17:31:18 [Preview] No.42869 del
Now for the promised explanation of some terms, and how bouts proceed:

In addition to the two wrestlers (rikishi – strongmen in Japanese), you will also see:
• the announcer (yobidashi). one of them announces the bout (in a drawn out singing voice – announcers also clap those sticks that are a meme) and display advertisement before a bout (sponsors can put money into award for each single bout of a day; their banners will be displayed before that bout, and the money goes to the winner of that bout). they are otherwise responsible for building the clay dohyo and for maintaining everything that needs to be there during the whole tournament.
• the referee (gyoji – in ceremonial kimono, a hat, a paddle in his hand) – his role is making sure the bout proceeds according to rules; he gives instructions to wrestlers ("hakkeyoi" at the start of the bout and "nokotta" to indicate to continue fighting; if anything was wrong with the start he will call "matta") and he awards sponsors' money to the winner at the end
• if referee fucked anything up, the five judges (shimpan – in black kimono, sitting besides ring; they are all retired wrestlers) will call "mono-ii" – they will discuss what they saw and nowadays also receive instructions from the camera room where a replay is analysed. if it is still too close to call, a rematch is called: torinaoshi.

Before each bout, you will see a ritualised procedure: stomping (both originally a ritual to ward spirits and a stretching exercise), drinking water from a wooden ladle, throwing salt, first faceoff broken up before going off to wipe sweat and show off for the audience a bit more, and then finally go for the real faceoff to start the bout. Before the bout can start, both wrestlers need to touch both hands on the dohyo, behind the white lines (doesn't matter how far back, but very few retreat very far back) – in case this doesn't happen synchronously, a false start is called. Also if wrestlers take too much time, they will be reminded by gyoji to hurry up.
After the bout, the loser takes a bow while the winner receives the reward.

I think that's most of what you should be aware of. As for forbidden techniques – kicks (excepting tackles, strictly to the legs) and punches (with a closed fist) are not allowed; twisting fingers, poking eyes, choking, anything involving groin, biting, pulling hair – I think that's about it. Everything else is allowed (this includes [i]pushing[/i] the neck or any kind of open hand thrusts, or slaps)
I recommend you to watch a shokkiri performance: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H9YlYke6060 [Embed] This is a comedy performance done on promotional events where wrestlers demonstrate how a bout should [i]not[/i] proceed, full of gags.

Bernd 03/11/2021 (Thu) 20:32:43 [Preview] No.42871 del
When exactly? You wrote there's a live stream on twitch. I think I'll be available from around 17 CET. If not hopefully we could check that youtube recap.
It is also needs to be shilled, maybe others are interested.

Bernd 03/12/2021 (Fri) 01:26:24 [Preview] No.42872 del
Sunday morning. Japan is 8 hours ahead of Europe so by the time it's late afternoon and the important bouts start it's still morning in Europe.
Translated to CET, typically juryo starts at around 6:30 and makuuchi at 8:00, the whole thing ending by a bow twirling ceremony by some time around 10:30.
As I mentioned before I expect mbovosumo to stream it on twitch (he restreams official english commentary), and nattosumo usually uploads his daily recaps on youtube late afternoon the same day.

Bernd 03/12/2021 (Fri) 14:23:52 [Preview] No.42877 del
That's a fun video. They move surprisingly light and quick.
>finally go for the real faceoff
When the gyoji drops the puck.

If everything goes well I go for a hike on Sunday. Maybe if I pack my pack on Saturday I can squeeze a bit of time at Sunday morning for sumo.
Is there an opening ceremony?
And from now on the tournament will go on every day for 15 days (to March 29)?

Bernd 03/12/2021 (Fri) 23:05:48 [Preview] No.42880 del
Yes – there's an opening ceremony, the day before (on Saturday) – so tomorrow. The dohyo which was made out of clay and sand over last couple days is consecrated – by an offering of salt, food (rice and a couple other items) and sake. It's essentially a continuation of the shinto harvest rituals at which sumo was originally performed to appease the spirits. The ceremony is performed by the chief gyoji. Chris Gould has a video on it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E41rGzIq_so [Embed]
After a little googling it turns out it will be livestreamed on youtube. Starting in 2 hours.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=s-ZJ5El60cY [Embed]
The tournament will then continue running for 15 full days – ending on Sunday, March 28. (there's only 14 days date difference, but if you count that both opening and closing day have their own bouts, it comes down to 15!)

And yes – they look like clumsy fatties, but the way they move in the ring, really shows a lot of that bulk is actually muscle.

If you have time in the morning, that's great. I would recommend you to just set up the stream and watch during breakfast or something.

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 10:01:53 [Preview] No.42888 del
All right here's also the fixtures.

You may notice that because there's an odd number of wrestlers still competing in makuuchi (since Kakuryu pulled out) the first bout is between a top-of-juryo guest (Tokushoryu, who won the top division last January actually as a complete underdog) and the bottom-of-makuuchi Daiamami. This happens occasionally; later on during the tournament, such bouts may also be arranged as a promotion-relegation struggle.

>It is expected he will receive another angry letter from the elders reminding him this is shamefur dispray and hints that he should retire.
He did not, or so it seems. Hakkaku-oyakata (ex-yokozuna Hokutoumi) who's responsible for those letters merely gave a statement it should be entirely down to Kakuryu when he should retire. Guess he's being given a bit of leniency so that he makes it until the Olympics opening ceremony.

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 11:20:25 [Preview] No.42890 del
I think I'll have time from 7 to 9. Gonna find channels and such today.

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 14:13:50 [Preview] No.42894 del
Can't embed shitty twitch into cytube. I get error whatever I try.

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 14:38:12 [Preview] No.42895 del
Whatever I try it fails.

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 19:09:33 [Preview] No.42896 del
> Twitch has banned http://cytu.be from embedding Twitch content due to allegedly violating their ToS. As such, Twitch is no longer supported on the main site (but you can still host your own)
Fugg. No twitch stream on our cytube channel

Bernd 03/13/2021 (Sat) 20:37:33 [Preview] No.42897 del
Oh well. No chat then (I don't feel like making a twitch account just for this)

Does your browser support picture-in-picture? In my firefox I can pop out videos so they play on top even if I switch tabs or even windows. So it's possible to open one tab with twitch, pop-out their stream, and place it over a chat in cytu-be. It's suboptimal but it'll do in a rush.

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 06:00:52 [Preview] No.42899 del
Sure, can do similar.
You here now?

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 06:42:27 [Preview] No.42902 del
What's the gyoji saying?

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 07:30:13 [Preview] No.42905 del
Wtf, that mbovosumo stream repeats.

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 09:21:08 [Preview] No.42906 del
yeah I stayed up late yesterday again and overslept, sorry

it's supposed to be
>"nokotta" to indicate to continue fighting
but yea they just slur it like that lol

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 18:03:14 [Preview] No.42913 del
Tomorrow then. From 7 to whatever.
Will be recaps on that yt channel you mentioned?

Bernd 03/14/2021 (Sun) 22:12:55 [Preview] No.42919 del
Yeah I watched the recaps. Liking how Terunofuji and Asanoyama look. Hakuho rushing everything and still getting away with it. Wakatakakage vs. Takanosho was exciting too. But Ichinojo just overpowering Tochinoshin completely... yeah didn't expect that. And Midorifuji playing the trick game on Hoshoryu, he must have been pissed after that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UFACeqNNS0k [Embed]

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 06:07:15 [Preview] No.42920 del
Well I'm here.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 06:56:08 [Preview] No.42921 del
Do the winners hand over the water to the next rikishi? And since only one side can win, the person only change when a contestant from the same side wins?
How do the non-Jap wrestlers get their Jap names?
This color commentary sounds appealing. I like the low-key and generally calm tone. Lots of:
I see as soon as both osumosan touches the ground the bout starts. Some are reluctant putting their hands down, some are very quick to do it first. Does it mean some advantage? Or it's just individual preference who can do better from which position?

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 07:09:14 [Preview] No.42922 del
I'm now here too, I see I'm just in time for the makuuchi to start

>Do the winners hand over the water to the next rikishi? And since only one side can win, the person only change when a contestant from the same side wins?
it's either last winner or the one in waiting for next match. it can't be someone who's already lost
How do the non-Jap wrestlers get their Jap names?
as you go up to higher divisions, jap wrestlers take ring names instead of their real ones too. there's usually patterns in names; some stables have all wrestlers take the same prefix or suffix, and often they're references to earlier wrestlers or to something pertaining to where they came from.
They're fancy sounding names in general.
Hakuho for example = white phoenix.
Aoiyama = blue mountain.

OK now for Kaisei – Akua bout.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 07:13:13 [Preview] No.42923 del
Ehh, I just closed the stream. It hogs my machine and I've some customary writing to do for March 15 (national holiday and all that), and later I've some stuff to do.
I'm hanging around tho.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 07:25:16 [Preview] No.42924 del
You had another question:
>I see as soon as both osumosan touches the ground the bout starts. Some are reluctant putting their hands down, some are very quick to do it first. Does it mean some advantage? Or it's just individual preference who can do better from which position?
Yeah there's a long story here. Historically this was just customary and you'd often see them just charging each other straight without doing any effort to touch the ground. You still see that in old videos. It was there more as a guideline, how to make it synchronous.
During the 90s, I think? they started being a bit more strict about it. Turns out that if you actually have to start from fully squatted position, the balance is different. So some prefer to just swing with hands down without taking a squat.
For example Hakuho will NEVER be the one to touch first. He wants his opponent to submit here. Which seems to help with his quick and powerful initial charge.

OK I'll alert you for the last couple bouts, if you wanna rejoin.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 07:30:03 [Preview] No.42925 del
lel I love how terutsuyoshi throws all the salt he can grab

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 08:35:26 [Preview] No.42926 del
last 4 bouts will commence soon, if anyone still wants to join
Shodai - Onosho
Takakeisho - Daieisho
Takayasu - Asanoyama
Hakuho - Takarafuji

I'm in mbovosumo twitch channel

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 08:53:22 [Preview] No.42927 del
oh wow this was a good bout. Takayasu seems to really be in good form like he boasted before the tournament

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 09:00:58 [Preview] No.42928 del
Takarafuji tried and managed to get position advantage but Hakuho pulled out a nice throw for the win. Well fought.

I think I should have time tomorrow too.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 15:50:37 [Preview] No.42934 del
Tomorrow is good.

For now they arr rook the same to me. I'll need to read the competitor list a couple of times.

Bernd 03/15/2021 (Mon) 18:13:22 [Preview] No.42940 del
Takakeisho = hamster looking fella
Takayasu = hairy dude
(you can start with those two)

I'll also bring attention to this guy, lower down in the makushita (3rd) division: Shishi, this is his 5th tournament and he's had a 6-1 in every tournament so far
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t9XWPs63coE [Embed] (at 6:53)
He's Ukrainian, looks a bit clumsy still but he's tall and strong and might as well be in top division by next year

Bernd 03/16/2021 (Tue) 06:12:25 [Preview] No.42945 del
He looks like Josh

Okay. I'm here basically will check the stream, if you wanna chat there's our cytube channel, or endchan's irc.

Bernd 03/16/2021 (Tue) 08:14:05 [Preview] No.42946 del
Little dude is intense, defeating fatties rapidly.

Bernd 03/16/2021 (Tue) 16:31:46 [Preview] No.42948 del
So uh. I had to take dad's car to the mechanic this morning and he didn't tell me he won't have time to do it himself yesterday. Bummer.
Also had a job interview today and they seemed to be interested in taking me. Which means I will finally have a real job that pays properly and not just some paid internship for students.

I watched the replays. Enho? I saw him do a sidestep (= henka; it's generally considered a shamefur move but he gets a pass since he's smol) and slapdown in penultimate bout in juryo. He's good. Was crowd's favourite when he made top division in 2019. He's in the same stable as Hakuho, he's been his protégé since he joined.

Also ouch Akua in the next bout seems to have rekt his right knee trying to balance on the edge. They really should get some ringside medic for such cases rather than always have to awkwardly wait whenever a wrestler can't stand up until someone comes from the backstage to help them out.

And wtf Hakuho is out? Something about his knee he had a surgery half a year ago. He looked strong, is he not confident enough?

Bernd 03/16/2021 (Tue) 19:11:36 [Preview] No.42952 del
I'll be around in the mornings, sometimes for longer, sometimes less, sometimes earlier, sometimes later, watching the stream a bit.
Yeah, Enho. I saw when he made the opponent go flat on his belly like a frog. Well kinda. He looks very intense and quick.

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 06:29:30 [Preview] No.42956 del
Let's see what this day brings. Won't even fire up cytube, but I'm on endchan's IRC.

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 08:00:04 [Preview] No.42960 del
What is considered a nice, honest good bout? A good victory?
Liek exploiting the other sumo's momentum and sidestep is generally frowned upon. What's the opposite?

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 08:46:04 [Preview] No.42961 del
Another win for Enho. Twisted the guy onto the ground like in judo or aikido or whatever.

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 16:19:03 [Preview] No.42964 del
Those summaries on nattosumo's channel have captions?! In Latin?! With comparisons?! Noice.

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 22:58:23 [Preview] No.42966 del
OK I wasn't around today but tomorrow morning I have time. See you in the IRC, probably.

Nice dodges at the edge and spectacular throws. Anything that shows a successful trick on the opponent, but improvised during the bout and not prepared ahead. Also going in for the belt is considered better form than just pushing (looking at you, Takakeisho)

Yeah, and he has timestamps to each bout in the comments below.
When watching live I usually keep the official torikumi (http://sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/) open in another tab to keep track easier.

Bernd 03/17/2021 (Wed) 23:00:35 [Preview] No.42967 del
Also, nice to see Akua's knee is okay, I think? I didn't expect to see him in, after how he overextended it yesterday.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 06:17:10 [Preview] No.42970 del
henlo, good morning
let's watch some sumo

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:01:21 [Preview] No.42972 del
I'm here now.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:31:44 [Preview] No.42973 del
I watched two vids from the yesterday's face offs on nattosumo's channel. To be honest this sport is starting to grow on me.
I noticed the winning "moves" have names. I imagine there are some main types any can be categorized in.
Were a couple of deadlocks, and some really nice wins - clean and technicals too -, well from my viewpoint was exciting, reacted with a couple of "wow"s.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:33:57 [Preview] No.42975 del
Not much interesting action today so far...
Enho won another one, but that one was just gifted by Tokushoryu. Meh.

Also just watched Chiyoshoma beat Akiseyama mostly by tripping him. Not a technique you see much...

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:35:20 [Preview] No.42976 del
Was a good deadlock just right now.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:35:49 [Preview] No.42977 del
>I noticed the winning "moves" have names. I imagine there are some main types any can be categorized in.
There's about 80 of them recognised, including a couple non-techniques which are technically losing moves (when opponent makes a mistake and it's on him completely).
Search for "kimarite" if you're interested in finding a list of them. There were also short youtube clips demonstrating each winning move.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:37:46 [Preview] No.42978 del
Midorifuji vs Tobizaru (the bout after the next one) will be interesting, they're both on the lighter side; can expect some judo techniques used

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:48:12 [Preview] No.42979 del
Big fall.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 07:48:45 [Preview] No.42980 del
Yeah I was right; a long bout with several attempts before deadlock was broken.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:18:17 [Preview] No.42981 del
Now the little guy.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:21:30 [Preview] No.42982 del
Wasn't nice. That tower of fat was just basically fell by himself.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:25:39 [Preview] No.42983 del
Wait, you're watching from the start rather than live?

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:27:02 [Preview] No.42984 del
I'm watching the twitch stream, as it comes.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:27:17 [Preview] No.42985 del

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:29:49 [Preview] No.42986 del
Okay, reloaded it and clicked here and there and now it's in English.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:33:05 [Preview] No.42987 del
Yeah I think for some reason your stream started playing from the start instead of livesynced – I was about an hour and a half ahead of you.
Last four bouts now. Time for Terunofuji to just overpower another one (Onosho) again?

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:35:12 [Preview] No.42988 del
On the weekend we could stream the recaps on cytube and talk there.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:35:57 [Preview] No.42989 del
Murrican pronunciation is killing me.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:42:44 [Preview] No.42990 del

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:49:04 [Preview] No.42991 del

Takakeisho often gets in trouble when he loses momentum.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:51:25 [Preview] No.42992 del
You mean Tuh-kuh-kay-show.
Now I'm completely confused. Yesterday I saw the white panty guy bleeding from his left brow yesterday on nattosumo.

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 08:56:56 [Preview] No.42993 del
Wow Asanoyama escaped that grip nicely, changing his hands from inside to outside.
If he can keep this form, he's getting a yokozuna promotion this year, I think...

Bernd 03/18/2021 (Thu) 09:01:20 [Preview] No.42994 del
>On the weekend we could stream the recaps on cytube and talk there.
Yeah, let's do that.

Bernd 03/19/2021 (Fri) 06:57:05 [Preview] No.42998 del
>chasing yogidoo at the moment

Bernd 03/19/2021 (Fri) 18:18:49 [Preview] No.43006 del
Finally found time to watch the today's bouts.
Damn, Terunofuji is stronk.


Bernd 03/20/2021 (Sat) 06:51:20 [Preview] No.43016 del
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How about watching the nattosumo's summaries today at 18 on cytube?
I dunno the anchor said it, that someone chasing yogidoo.

Bernd 03/20/2021 (Sat) 10:34:20 [Preview] No.43020 del
Cool, see ya at 18 (I'm assuming 18 CET no daylight savings)

Bernd 03/20/2021 (Sat) 13:30:18 [Preview] No.43022 del
You're assuming it right.

Bernd 03/21/2021 (Sun) 17:00:38 [Preview] No.43052 del
5 minutes and will be really here.

Bernd 03/22/2021 (Mon) 18:36:04 [Preview] No.43060 del
So, today...

I think Enho's bodyslam was the highlight of today.
Also, Ura is out after hurting his left leg his bout with Enho yesterday, but it's a minor injury and he hopes to be back for the final days.

In top division, both Takayasu and Terunofuji still looking dominant.

Bernd 03/22/2021 (Mon) 18:42:58 [Preview] No.43062 del
>I think Enho's bodyslam was the highlight of today.
Exactly. It was very nice win. And since Chiyomaru lost he leads the list.
Takakeisho's win was also nice.

Bernd 03/23/2021 (Tue) 20:28:54 [Preview] No.43071 del
Enho was slapped onto the ground as if he was a kid. Shame.

Bernd 03/23/2021 (Tue) 21:57:48 [Preview] No.43074 del
And Takayasu giving us another great performance. With Terunofuji's mistake today, he's in prime position to get dat yusho now

Bernd 03/24/2021 (Wed) 06:57:54 [Preview] No.43077 del
What's a yusho?

Bernd 03/24/2021 (Wed) 08:12:33 [Preview] No.43078 del
Just watched that bout. That was something. Takakeisho just got tired by the end. Or he seemed so.

Bernd 03/24/2021 (Wed) 18:28:11 [Preview] No.43087 del
The tiny lad did good. I was worried there for a moment, but turned out to be a spectacular win.
It also kinda sucks, that if you successfully throw out someone, and clearly you initiated the move, you can still lose if you fall a bit quicker.

Just watched Aoyama pushing out his opponent by his head, kek. Broke out from the hug and pushed hard.

Bernd 03/25/2021 (Thu) 18:38:22 [Preview] No.43098 del
Nothing decided yet in Juryo. Will see how the rest will go. A couple of bouts were exciting, liek Mitoryu vs. Takakento, long with a couple of twists.

Aoiyama pushing his way forward with the force of thousand boars.
The match of Kotoshoho was a surprise. He handled the opponent well, and won quick. What happened to him in the beginning?
Ryuden has an interesting way of "knocking" on the ground to start the bout.
Poor Onosho, I'm startin to feel sorry for him.
Takayasu won easily. Three bouts left, I doubt he will lose two.
Also the three non-Asian, the Burglar, the Br, and Gogi rooks the same. Well, their face.

Bernd 03/25/2021 (Thu) 22:35:20 [Preview] No.43099 del
Oh I forgot to explain that term: yusho = tournament championship.

I've been away lately and just catching up.
Besides the bouts.... heard that Kakuryu is actually retiring. That he was supposed to start training yesterday to hopefully get in shape for May at least and it didn't go good. And decided to just announce he's retiring in the heat of the moment.
He got the jap citizenship in December which means he's at least eligible to stay as an elder, but since he hasn't managed to obtain elder stock yet (you need to buy your membership in form of taking hold of one of the available names, so it's a limited number) he now has 5 years before his yokozuna awarded membership expires.
Speculation: Azumazeki-beya was announced to be sadly closing in April since no replacement for their last stablemaster who suddenly died a year ago was found. Is Kakuryu ready to take that over, last moment?

Bernd 03/26/2021 (Fri) 19:10:35 [Preview] No.43110 del
Interesting how the "fans" clap the deadlocks. Sounds more like a polite encouragement to go on, instead of an actual applause.
>ok both of you fighting good enough not to get beaten fast, but you have to go on and end the match

Bernd 03/26/2021 (Fri) 19:39:06 [Preview] No.43113 del
Okay. I noticed Aoiyama repeating same moves. He "dances" with his opponent to the edge of the ring, then reaches up with one hand to his chin and pushes his head back hard, while with the other hand he pushes on his chest. I'm pretty sure that chinpush which does it more.

Bernd 03/26/2021 (Fri) 23:00:03 [Preview] No.43116 del
So, we've come to the last two days...

Terunofuji faces Asanoyama tomorrow and will need to face Takakeisho on Sunday to have all three Ozeki matchups.
Shodai vs Asanoyama will be the last Ozeki vs. Ozeki matchup on Sunday.

Takayasu has already faced all the Ozeki so, on paper, he has easier matchups than the rest (Tobizaru tomorrow)... but with both him and Terunofuji going into the last two days with 10-3, a playoff for yusho is still easily possible.
But I have no idea who they're going to match him against on Sunday. Takanosho maybe? We could still be in for another surprise. Wakatakakage showed that Takayasu also sometimes makes mistakes...

Yeah he's not that versatile – it's usually either this or slapdowns. Hey if it works why fix it.
We watching together in the afternoon?

Bernd 03/27/2021 (Sat) 00:04:07 [Preview] No.43117 del
Do you have the stream or the website where the tournament is being done in?

Bernd 03/27/2021 (Sat) 07:24:11 [Preview] No.43126 del
>We watching together in the afternoon?
Yeah, at 18 CET, as usual.

We watch it on End's cytube channel, I just throw the vids from nattosumo's youtube channel in.

Bernd 03/27/2021 (Sat) 11:41:11 [Preview] No.43129 del
This >>43126

However if you want to watch in real time (tomorrow is final day, time is in the morning euro timezone – but DST tomorrow if your country still observes that will push it one hour later than I said earlier in this thread, so finishing by 11AM), it's on mbovosumo channel on twitch.

Bernd 03/27/2021 (Sat) 16:42:39 [Preview] No.43135 del
In less than 20 mins, frens.

Bernd 03/28/2021 (Sun) 13:55:22 [Preview] No.43143 del
Fugg, almost forgot about the haru basho. And now since it's later it will be earlier.
Anyway I'm gonna stick with 18 UTC, worse case scenario, gonna wait an hour.

Bernd 03/28/2021 (Sun) 17:23:21 [Preview] No.43145 del
It's finished.
When will be the next tournament?

Bernd 03/28/2021 (Sun) 17:39:09 [Preview] No.43146 del
gg (He was also awarded an extra prize for outstanding performance.)
He is now back to Ozeki.

Congrats also to Aoiyama and Meisei for fighting spirit prizes, and Wakatakakage for technique prize.

And to Takayasu, despite choking in the final days... his son was born just before the tournament. And 10-5 is good enough to start an ozeki run.

Natsu basho is starting May 9. Same schedule – Sunday to Sunday. Official rankings are to be released about 2 weeks before that.

It's a quite brutal tempo, 6 tournaments of 15 days each every year. Means they spend roughly 1/4 of their time competing.
Normally they'd be doing regional tours and training in between during off-season, but regional tours are suspended due to corona, so...

After that, they have Nagoya basho in the summer — this time scheduled not to overlap with the Olympics. Hakuho was expected to participate in the opening ceremony back in 2020 – if he doesn't get told to retire (well, given implications that they expect him to do so due to shamefur dispray) he should still be there. After that, he's likely retiring just like Kakuryu in any case.

Bernd 03/28/2021 (Sun) 23:11:58 [Preview] No.43148 del
Didn't really know fam. Ya gotta announce these things to everyone tbh

Bernd 03/29/2021 (Mon) 08:34:54 [Preview] No.43161 del
Sorry m8. It's all mentioned higher up in this thread but they don't stand out at all and guess I can't expect people to go digging to find them, thread has grown long...

Bernd 03/29/2021 (Mon) 10:32:06 [Preview] No.43162 del
I think it's his nice way of saying I should have made site wide announcements, like with the Movie Nights.

Yeah, it was better than expection. There were quite a few moments when I cheered irl. I think main selling point is that these are fairly quick, frequently intense matches. At first it's hard to follow a bit, since bunch of new foreign faces, names, and expressions, but then one will notice the order and gets familiar with everything.

Bernd 03/29/2021 (Mon) 23:09:56 [Preview] No.43170 del
Maybe next time announce it in the general Film thread that's posted around all boards so people know of it. Or post a sticky header in the splash page of Endchan More peeps === more mems and ebin bantz :-DD

Bernd 04/01/2021 (Thu) 13:46:42 [Preview] No.43190 del
Dropping a couple vids of old bouts.

Asashoryu vs Kotonowaka, 2004 Nagoya basho, Day 8.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LM6uQaIaYdw [Embed]
A bit controversial due to the move Asashoryu pulled, leading to a rematch. A slight problem is that the move there was so out-of-the-books that it would be impossible to categorise it as any of the accepted kimarite.

Musoyama vs Chiyotaikai, 1998 Nagoya basho, Day 9.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nrinbn50Cmo [Embed]
A slapfest. Slapping is allowed in sumo while punching isn't – sometimes rikishi "abuse" this rule in the ring.

Takamisakari vs Aran, 2009 Aki basho, Day 9.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UmPcjVt3LzQ [Embed]
Takamisakari is a bit of a bernd. He's an elder now and sometimes he gets confused when supposed to explain the judges decision after mono-ii. He was much more confident on the dohyo, though. This bout was another very energetic one – in the end, an illegal move was the reason why the bout was called the way it was by the judges. (Which one?)

Bernd 04/01/2021 (Thu) 17:56:14 [Preview] No.43192 del
Sensational. Pulling himself up, while the other down.
But he beat him the second time as well. Did good.
Big enough slaps to the chin also can cause concussions, short blackouts. And generally could be confusing as hell, getting a flurry of slaps, and preventing you what you wanna do.
The one comment below says which move was illegal. That bun is so conveniently handful, just ask for some grabbing.

Natsu basho 2021 Bernd 04/28/2021 (Wed) 18:08:13 [Preview] No.43422 del
Next tournament is starting in less than 2 weeks now, and banzuke chart has been released on the weekend.

To recap: Kakuryu has retired, Terunofuji and Takayasu advanced a rung to ozeki and sekiwake respectively (so there's now four ozeki, with Shodai in danger of being kicked if he doesn't produce a winning score this time); Ishiura, Chiyomaru and Akua advanced to 1st division (all have been there before), Enho just barely missing a spot. Yutakayama and Kotoshoho meanwhile were demoted to 2nd division.

At least the first three days of the tournament will be in an empty arena due to another corona outbreak in Tokyo.

In other news, there was a report on the state of sumo in the current era. I haven't read the report since I can't read Japanese, and the tl;dr on English language media I can get is mostly "gaijin bad, shamefur dispray, hakuho doesn't deserve being granted special elder stock (note: historically yokozuna who won 20 or more tournaments, starting with Taiho, were awarded a spot in sumo eldership without having to buy a regular one that's passed down through generations)". DESPITE BEING ONLY 9% OF PROFESSIONAL SUMO WRESTLERS, GAIJIN HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN 70% OF THE REPORTED CASES OF VIOLENCE IN THE BACKSTAGE
(It's funny because Taiho was himself half-Ukrainian.)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IhN7OnW8XHs [Embed]

Bernd 04/28/2021 (Wed) 18:25:08 [Preview] No.43425 del
I'm looking forward to it.

Bernd 04/30/2021 (Fri) 14:21:33 [Preview] No.43453 del
Sad news: Hibikiryu died in hospital 2 days ago where he was recovering from planting face into the clay full force a month ago, day 13 of last basho.
Report said he was showing slow but promising recovery of sensation in lower body but died of pulmonary embolism (common hospital complication from long time immobility).

Bernd 04/30/2021 (Fri) 16:34:02 [Preview] No.43454 del
>day 13
It was on the 26th. I watched that. I can't recall. Gonna check nattosumo's summary.

Bernd 04/30/2021 (Fri) 16:43:23 [Preview] No.43455 del
Huh. He has only the Juryo and Makushita vids up.

Bernd 04/30/2021 (Fri) 17:21:33 [Preview] No.43456 del
He was on the sandanme so I don't know if anyone has videos up.
Any case it looked very bad, he compressed neck obviously and just laid flat on the ground.

I think he takes them own as a precaution bc of copyright strikes.

Bernd 05/06/2021 (Thu) 21:11:32 [Preview] No.43528 del
Chris did a video on how much money do they pay in sumo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JbgN_jTrK_Q [Embed]

Note: this is just what comes through the organisation. Top guys will also have personal sponsorship deals.

Bernd 05/08/2021 (Sat) 20:23:02 [Preview] No.43538 del
Sumo is starting tomorrows

Who isn't showing up:
- Hakuho (lol)
- Aoiyama (something about back pain, might join halfway through)
- Midorifuji (herniated disc after having broblems last time already, looking bad for his career tbh)
- Ryuden (broke lockdown lol, told to sit out due to shamefur dispray)

- me, most of the time probably; I'm hella busy. will try to catch up by the end

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WgOrTbCSV4Y [Embed]

Bernd 05/08/2021 (Sat) 20:27:37 [Preview] No.43539 del
Gonna follow. Not sure about my tomorrow, will see, but after that will watch at least the summaries.

Bernd 05/10/2021 (Mon) 06:57:23 [Preview] No.43550 del
So empty the place even in Juryo. Very first bout was breddy gud. Fugg, Pinkypanty had to hold hard into his opponent knee not to fall, but with that he just pushed the other guy out.
Noooooooooo, Enho was beaten quick. Bad start, but it's just the first day.
I like sumo.or.jp it just werks in IceCat.

Bernd 05/10/2021 (Mon) 20:32:41 [Preview] No.43559 del
Took time to watch just a couple bouts today...

Enho vs. Ura: Good bout, shitty outcome – not doing favouritism here but overextended elbow on day 2 isn't good for Enho.
Takayasu vs Chiyonokuni: Takayasu looking like he's too cautious, inb4 he chokes at the end again
Tobizaru vs Takanosho: nice
Asanoyama vs Meisei: Meisei won that one with footwork, this is why just pushing forwards doesn't always win
Hokutofuji vs Terunofuji: ha, Teru had to work for this one a bit more than I expected. Don't get what exactly he did to make Hokutofuji try that full turn that lost him the bout tho?
Shodai vs Wakatakakage: nice
Mitakeumi vs Takakeisho: huh Takakeisho lost the pushing match; maybe he should't've lost so much weight lol

I see NHK is also working extra on cinematic angles. Empty arena has some advantages...

Bernd 05/10/2021 (Mon) 20:44:02 [Preview] No.43561 del
Oh this is today's matchup. I only watched Sunday's yet.
>Mitakeumi vs Takakeisho: huh Takakeisho lost the pushing match; maybe he should't've lost so much weight lol
Yesterday Takakeisho won quick tho.

>Empty arena
What's the explanation? Corona?

Bernd 05/10/2021 (Mon) 20:55:58 [Preview] No.43562 del
>Enho vs. Ura:
Enho's early spring might have shown a bit of nervousness?
He has to be careful with his arms, those are his only defense, preventing his opponents to hold him down. And also his main offense.

Bernd 05/11/2021 (Tue) 17:58:43 [Preview] No.43570 del
Enho got beaten again. Didn't seem his arm hurting.
Asanoyama vs Wakatakakage was an exciting bout. Could have ended right after the start, but then they danced around a lot. And nice finish.
Then the Terunofuji match was short and sweet.
Shodai vs. Daiesisho was funny. Double jump.

Bernd 05/12/2021 (Wed) 17:49:07 [Preview] No.43588 del
Bushozan and Kotoshoho won quick their 4th victory, however Ura lost. It was a long struggle, very good fight, this is the first time I saw a deadlock without "locking".
Enho was beaten again - his arm is bandaged, he should have rested out a couple of bouts, me thinks, maybe it's a honor thing, it would look shamefur.
How Wakatakakage beaten Takayasu!
Maybe Takakeisho is a one trick pony but it works for him. Many rishiki seems like that tho.
Terunofuji continued the streak. He's doing good, I'm glad. How much for him to become yokozuna?

Bernd 05/13/2021 (Thu) 17:48:20 [Preview] No.43595 del
Era had very nice win.
Enho won in his Makuuchi fight. But I think he really needs some rest to heal. Now he had a bit if limp too.
Terunofuji continues the winning streak. Although it would have been nice to see Wakatakakage win.

Bernd 05/13/2021 (Thu) 18:00:52 [Preview] No.43596 del
I meant Ura ofc.

Bernd 05/14/2021 (Fri) 00:57:39 [Preview] No.43603 del
SlovBerg needs to be here to give his onions on this

Bernd 05/14/2021 (Fri) 06:46:19 [Preview] No.43605 del
Yes but he rarely will. So it's just me.
Context, for yesterday's bout:
I was watching the match ups of the two top sumo divisions.
First the 2nd division (Juryo) and after it the 1st (Makuuchi).
Sumos winning their bouts getting points and on the long run are moved further up in the divisions.
Ura and Enho in the 2nd div, on the top of it, those guys sometimes are matched with wrestlers from the 1st div, it's a way of deciding if they belong there.
Enho had a match like that yesterday and won. However previously in current tournament he lost the fights against his opponents in the 2nd div, and he also hurt his arm. He is a tiny guy, like 165 cm tall and 90 kgs, and sumos over 180 cm and 150 kgs are regular, and larger dudes at 190 cm and 195 kg aren't that rare. So he is really tiny in comparison, in fact he is the smallest. So he faces extra challenge, which makes him sympathetic for many.
Ura is another top sumo (or rikishi, sumotori, or osumosan) in the 2nd div. He wears pink mawashi, this is why I might call him Pinkpanty Pink Panther ged it?.
Terunofuji is a top wrestler in the 1st division, his face reminds me of a type of face I can see here on the Hungary, probably a Turanic heritage. It's a simple open face with a glint of humor in the eyes, which sometimes gives away the calculating thoughts behind the brow, and the occasional violence that can erupt. I think he is my favourite.
Wakatakakage I like for his name. And he isn't a bad fighter either. Doing good now.

Bernd 05/14/2021 (Fri) 18:51:48 [Preview] No.43610 del
Enho was beaten again. Am disappoint.

Bernd 05/15/2021 (Sat) 16:20:14 [Preview] No.43615 del
Gonna stream the Juryo and Makuuchi bouts in an hour. Cca.

Bernd 05/15/2021 (Sat) 17:55:40 [Preview] No.43616 del
I'm not very here sorry

>Shodai vs. Daiesisho was funny. Double jump.
Yea I saw that. Should have been a rematch imo :^)

>Terunofuji continued the streak. He's doing good, I'm glad. How much for him to become yokozuna?
normally you need two yokozuna worthy scores in a row as an ozeki, but there's small chance he can get promoted straight with a 15-0.
Another interesting thing is that if Hakuho can get full 15 days in July, and since he's likely to retire afterwards, Hakuho's very last bout could be against Terunofuji. Would be the best way to hand over the torch imo

Enho is fucked, elbow and then ankle...

I can show up tomorrow, will have time

Bernd 05/15/2021 (Sat) 17:57:27 [Preview] No.43617 del
btw here's clips of terunofuji doing some weight training
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xaTjkX_vHbY [Embed]

Bernd 05/15/2021 (Sat) 18:54:54 [Preview] No.43619 del
Paying a bit more mind to the Ozekis. Asanoyama seems disciplined, but Terunofuji might be the most talented - or at least the cart runs for him the best now. I don't have much opinion on Shodai yet. Takakeisho is stable, but doesn't have much "imagination".
>Would be the best way to hand over the torch imo
I concur.
>Enho is fucked, elbow and then ankle...
Yeah, and this basho they throw him about like a kid. I suspect he still participates because he might score a victory somewhere while sitting out would mean automatic loss, and probably he can't afford that. On the other hand he risks more serious injury.
>I can show up tomorrow, will have time
Good. Did we start it at 6pm last time? I think it would be ok about that.

Reminds me I still have to much the vid about how much they make: >>43528

Bernd 05/16/2021 (Sun) 10:30:29 [Preview] No.43627 del
6pm is good

Bernd 05/16/2021 (Sun) 15:26:05 [Preview] No.43628 del

Bernd 05/17/2021 (Mon) 16:46:05 [Preview] No.43649 del
Takayasu vs Terunofuji was veeeery close today.
Hoshoryu dealt with Shodai similar to how he did Asanoyama yesterday. Can he last?

And I see Aoiyama is back – with back covered in tape...

Bernd 05/17/2021 (Mon) 17:02:37 [Preview] No.43650 del
>Takayasu vs Terunofuji was veeeery close today.
Just wanted to write that.
And Enho won finally.
>with back covered in tape.
Tape can fix everything.

Bernd 05/18/2021 (Tue) 18:42:52 [Preview] No.43664 del
Bushozan doing good. His stature is very similar to Takakeisho's.
Üra is marching on.
Enho third win! Hope he can rack up enough so he won't be effected too much.
I noticed Terotsuyoshi bringing down opponents by grabbing the front of the panty and pulling down.
Also Kaisei usually remaining there to check on the defeated and offer help. I wonder how they view this. Did someone telling him to stop they not children. What we might think as part of fair play and sportsmanship might be seen as an insult in other cultures.
Tobizaru failing hard this basho.
Takayasu deserved win.

Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 17:57:37 [Preview] No.43693 del
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Bushozan lost but was an exciting bout with sudden twists.
Sadonoumi's supa-jump was awesome.
Enho won again int Makuuchi! Very well exploited the moving weight of Chiyomaru.
Terutsuyoshi again used that technique.
Too bad about Terunofuji's hairgrabbing. Lots of growling on behalf of the commentators.

Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 18:47:42 [Preview] No.43694 del
And Takayasu tried to play the pushing game with Takakeisho... you don't do that lol

Also, I hear Asanoyama is suspended for shamefur dispray (repeatedly visiting a hostess bar during basho despite quarantine orders, then lying about it when confronted the first time before additional proofs were submitted) – he's fucked.

Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 19:36:18 [Preview] No.43698 del
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He really could have grab him. As it started it looked like it will go that way, but than flurry of slaps and he was out.
Maybe he isn't that disciplined as it seems in the dohyo.

Bernd 05/20/2021 (Thu) 09:43:34 [Preview] No.43715 del
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Ok, here's updated, version #2, final, cut, corrected, cleared, finished, version #3, retouched, last reaction gif.

Bernd 05/20/2021 (Thu) 16:42:38 [Preview] No.43726 del
- Ura doing a one leg jump to win while Chiyonoumi walks out
- Enho getting betrayed by his knee again! Now in a different way.
- Tochinoshin now starting with henka on Hoshoryu... well, helped him get out of a knee grab. Bad fall for Hoshoryu, hope his back and/or head are okay.
- Tobizaru shows us why his name is Flying Monkey.
- Shodai keeps dodging, then finally connecting with a throw. Nice.
- Ichinojo as always – starts strong, then can't continue. I think he's too heavy and afraid of taking a nasty fall.
- Takayasu gets a free win.
- Terunofuji looking a bit more restrained today, but no less dominant.

Also: I've been seeing rumours that Ryuden's shamefur dispray for which he's sitting out is getting a side hoe (he's married) pregnant and trying to get her to get an abortion.

Bernd 05/20/2021 (Thu) 19:02:01 [Preview] No.43727 del
Shohozan vs. Daishoho was a weird bout. Jumping at each other like the opening move, over and over. Then Daishoho got enough. I did not like this match but was interesting to see.
The Shodai vs. Takanosho match was spectacular for sure.
>Terunofuji looking a bit more restrained today
Considerable more, yeah. I think he himself wasn't glad with his performance of yesterday, he could have won it without resorting to that hair pulling.
I would note the Takakeisho bout as well. First as his head was pushed down but he just rebound, I think the situation shows my previous point that he doesn't lean forward too much, he maintains a good balance. Then Ichinojo just run out of space, I think he didn't notice he backed up that much.

Bernd 05/21/2021 (Fri) 16:42:55 [Preview] No.43732 del
Deadlock after deadlock, that was it for the Tiny Man.
Terutsuyoshi and the kamikaze finish, falling on the heda.
Hahh, Endo's victory was really nice, jumping that frog outside of the dohyo.

Bernd 05/21/2021 (Fri) 19:15:11 [Preview] No.43733 del
>Hahh, Endo's victory was really nice, jumping that frog outside of the dohyo.
Yeah, that dive lol.
Also that pretty much cemented Terunofuji yusho. Only way he loses it now is losing to both Endo tomorrow and Takakeisho on day 15, while they win their other matchups (Takakeisho vs Shodai, or Endo with ? Takayasu perhaps?) – leading to a playoff. But I don't see that happening.

Also, Shodai had an easy matchup to get his winning score to be safe from demotion from ozeki... he won't be facing Terunofuji at all. Maybe a bit unusual decision by schedule makers.

Abi also secured his 7-0 today in makushita.

Bernd 05/21/2021 (Fri) 21:57:31 [Preview] No.43735 del
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Someone has fairly solid proofs of the foul play there.
Still won't shut up the western fans in the youtube comments, tho.

Bernd 05/22/2021 (Sat) 06:23:37 [Preview] No.43739 del
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The footage on nattosumo's channel seemed conclusive. But fans will be fans.

Bernd 05/22/2021 (Sat) 16:09:15 [Preview] No.43741 del
Gonna stream soon.
And then on Sunday at 18:00 the closing day of the basho.

Bernd 05/22/2021 (Sat) 17:51:34 [Preview] No.43743 del
Shohozan vs Oho, long good struggle.
Kotoshoho vs Daishoho long but not good.
Fugg. Terunofuji vs Endo was tuff. Grat to Endo, he did good.
Last day will be exciting. One defeat and one victory are between Terunofuji and Takakeisho.

Bernd 05/22/2021 (Sat) 20:25:18 [Preview] No.43748 del
think I can make it tomorrow yeah

>Fugg. Terunofuji vs Endo was tuff. Grat to Endo, he did good.
It's really gonna be like I said here? >>43733
>Only way he loses it now is losing to both Endo tomorrow and Takakeisho on day 15, while they win their other matchups (Takakeisho vs Shodai, or Endo with ? Takayasu perhaps?)
(Endo has Shodai tomorrow)
Both Endo and Takakeisho still have chance to equalise with Terunofuji – which would lead into a 3-way-playoff, which goes like this: they pull straws for first duel, then winner faces the third one, and if winner loses that, it continues cyclically until someone wins both consecutive bouts.

Bernd 05/23/2021 (Sun) 06:29:40 [Preview] No.43749 del
>It's really gonna be like I said here?
What were the chances.
Good show anyway.

Bernd 05/23/2021 (Sun) 15:24:15 [Preview] No.43760 del
Then at 6.

Bernd 05/23/2021 (Sun) 17:09:16 [Preview] No.43763 del
Very good. An exciting finish for this basho.
Takakeisho is just a bit boring to deserve a win. I think Terunofuji deserved this. Now he just need to learn to control himself better so no hair grabs occurs in the future.
Too bad for Enho. Hopefully his arm and ankle will heal up and will beat the crap out of everyone on next tournament.

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