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Health thread nr1 Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 16:13:08 [Preview] No. 26260
So I didnt know where to post this excellent video about aluminium so I thought I just make a thread. About health.

Its a very easy video to watch/listen to because he says pictures and its being translated to french so it goes slower. He has researched about aluminium in 30 years so he is not a noob.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ClwkazQOsY [Embed]


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 16:52:03 [Preview] No.26262 del
>>26260
>Hercules
I don't think being a meathead obsessed with your body is that healthy of a thing to do.


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 17:01:28 [Preview] No.26263 del
>>26262
Healthy body healthy mind and soul.


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 17:27:26 [Preview] No.26264 del
>>26262
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WR1UiNdQnDw [Embed]


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 00:53:39 [Preview] No.26358 del
Know what pisses me off? Here homeopathy is funded by the national healthcare system. Hospitals are overcrowded, posts are undersupplied, patients are dying from lack of care and yet precious public funds are wasted on glorified overpriced water. In this nation of widespread ignorance quacks and frauds spread like garden pests. And no politician dares to stop this for fear of losing votes from bydlos who believe it.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 05:36:05 [Preview] No.26366 del
>>26358
Homeopathy is basically treating something with a similar thing. This can include wide amount of stuff. Liek for cartilage problems people take glucosamin tablets. But you know what contains glucosamin? Cartilage. So eat that instead. This is homeopathy.
Ofc other areas of homeopathy are bullshit, and others might be bullshit. It would worth taking a look into it and separate the husk and the grain.

I've more to add to healthcare and stuff, maybe later.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 09:26:32 [Preview] No.26370 del
>>26358
you win the prize for the most normie


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 09:28:49 [Preview] No.26371 del
this book has saved me a lot of money in dental bills. worth a read if you have any dental issues


cont. Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:57:12 [Preview] No.26405 del
>>26366
So hospitals and healthcare.
This subject is treated by governments absolutely wrong, they should approach it from another direction: prevention. Great many of health issues comes from the fact that people are idiots t. House MD, their shitty lifestyle, lack of exercising, overeating, bad habits, addictions, bad hygiene, mindset, etc. (and ofc the combination of these) leads to a great variety of illnesses (both physical and mental). So not the healthcare what's have to be re-reformed over and over again, but education. People needs to be taught to care for their body, to rest enough, to exercise enough (and how to do it), good habits needs to be cultivated (e.g. eating moderately, being temperate etc.), their mindset has to be changed - for example - to refuse addictive substances (e.g. many starts smoking as a teenager because it's cool, it makes them cool and the others do it too, etc.) by themselves (banning shit doesn't work). Also proper information has to be given to them and make them understand (about illnesses, pathogens, how they spread, how to prevent spreading etc.).
Now ofc it can be said that: yo healthcare is business, it needs ill people. But frankly while people are ill they perform worse, do less work, or don't work at all, they are bad for the economy. What's loss for the health business, it comes back in other sectors.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:20:41 [Preview] No.26415 del
>>26405
>they are bad for the economy.

not really
i mean for every sick whitey you can have a refuge

the main problem with people is that they reproduce uncontrollable and live too long

there's literally no point in this


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:22:52 [Preview] No.26416 del
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>>26415
>the main problem with people is that they reproduce uncontrollable and live too long
>
>there's literally no point in this
I dont think you understand what you are writing here


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:42:28 [Preview] No.26421 del
>>26416
regards, a country known for eugenics programs


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:45:12 [Preview] No.26422 del
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>>26361
Weed and alternative medicine. I'm disgusted.

>>26370
I seriously hope you don't believe in homeopathy.

>>26366
Glucosamine and chondroitin's effectiveness is controversial and there's not just empirical counterevidence but also theoretical arguments against their viability. See:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/new-evidence-for-chondroitin/

For comparison, see
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3150191/
Where some possible mechanisms are cited:
>It is an important precursor of the glycoprotein and glycosaminoglycan (GAG) synthesis.
>Glucosamine production is the rate-limiting step in GAG synthesis, and glucosamine supplementation may overcome this bottleneck.
Notice, firstly, that an actual biochemical mechanism has been described -something no homeopathic remedy ever provides, because it doesn't have any- and the word "supplementation". That's important.

See also pic related, it's glucosamine sold on a homeopathic (but not exclusively so) site. However, no homeopathic dillution notation is present, because it isn't homeopathy. It's a dietary supplement. Pay close attention to the description's wording:
>Three tablets provide the full 1500mg
1500mg is a lot. Homeopathic remedies usually contain 0,00000000000000000000000000000000 mg (there's no number at the end, just 0; I'll elaborate on this) of their advertised item.

>The powerful bioflavonoid quercetin has been included at a potent 60mg, plus 1200mg of ginger (as a concentrated extract), as well as 400mg of rose hip. Few, if any, joint formulas provide these potencies in a single formula.
Notice the association between concentration and potency. Homeopathy follows the law of infinitesimals: the lower the concentration, the higher the potency. This is anti-homeopathic, it's pure allopathy.

>Chondroitin mislabelling: Many companies use a preparation that is just 20% chondroitin but their label may declare this as if it is 100% chondroitin.
Once again, allopathy. In homeopathy 20% chondroitin would be stronger than 100%.

Chondroitin and glucosamine are supplements, and as such, are taken to increase the concentration of some molecule which is deemed insufficient. This is allopathy: effect and concentration are proportional. In homeopathy they're deemed inversely proportional. Why? Because Hahnemann said so. No mechanism is known, it's just wishful thinking and poorly backed empiricism.

So this is the law of infinitesimals, there's no homeopathy without it. What about "like cures like"? It means that dilluted compounds have the opposite of their expected effect. Dilluted snake venom becomes an immediate antidote and the like. In real medicine there's a paralell with vaccines, but vaccines are infinitely more concentrated and have a known, justified mechanism. So in homeopathic logic, what would dilluted glucosamine cause? It'd cure its own side effects.
>In this latest trial, people taking the glucosamine-chondroitin combination reported diarrhea and abdominal pain more often than those taking the placebo did. Other reported side effects include
>heartburn
>drowsiness
>headaches
>allergic reactions (especially if you have an allergy to shellfish).
So a homeopath could recommend glucosamine against those. For cartilage problems he'd recommend something which damages cartilage.

How much? Zero. Homeopathic medicine is water.
This isn't hyperbole. In your usual homeopathic vial there's only molecules of H2O and whatever impurities there were in the distilled water that made it.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:45:30 [Preview] No.26423 del
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This is a real homeopathic remedy: Natrium Muriaticum -table salt- 30 CH, that is, with 30 dillutions of a hundred times each, so that's 10^60 of dillution. It says it's net 30mL.

Assuming this dillution is mass/volume, then there are 10^60 mL of water for every gram of NaCl. For 30 mL of water, that's 3 x 10^-59 g of salt.

In 58,44 g (1 mol) of NaCl there are 6,02 x 10^23 (Avogadro's number) "molecules". Not real molecules because it's a crystal, but you get it; since it's in aqueous solution there's this number of sodium ions and an equal number of chlorine ones.
Therefore in 3 x 10^-59 g there are 3,09 x 10^-37 sodium ions.

But there's no such thing as 3,09 x 10^-37 of an ion or atom or molecule. It's 0, 1, 2, 3, 500 trillion or so on.
Sodium chloride was split in Na+ and Cl- the moment it was dissolved in water, but afterwards its constituent ions remained intact through the whole dillution process.
Maybe I had a wrong supposition or calculation mistake but any conceivable way to model this still shows an absurdly tiny result.

So what can we conclude? There's a very small chance some stray ion found its way into Natrium Muriaticum 30 CH. But it's safe to say there's none of it.
Zero. Nothing.
"Natrium Muriaticum 30 CH" literally is just water without any table salt at all. This is the case for most homeopathic medicines. Some are just concentrated enough to have a handful of molecules of their claimed source, but above 12 C they're arithmethically just water. There is no discussing this.

You can distill this remedy to examine residue. You can run it through any kind of emission or absortion spectroscopy. Any expensive method in analitical chemistry. In any case all that you'll find are trace impurities.
When you buy this you're buying overpriced water.

If A=B, B=A. Homeopathy is water, therefore water is homeopathy. Every glass of water you drink is nearly every single kind of homeopathic remedy that ever existed, exists or will exist. Likewise, every homeopathic remedy you purchase is not only itself but is also a thousand other remedies at once. Why pay for homeopathy? You already consume several liters of extremely potent homeopathic remedies every single day.

Hahnemann was blissfully aware of the Avogadro constant and other complications. His successors are either bydlo consumers who are too ignorant to know it or "specialists" who are content with a handful of half-assed explanations that have not been fully developed and all have conclusive rebuttals from real medicine.
What is the theoretical basis for the law of infinitesimals and similia similibus curantur? Can they be proven as hard laws? Remedies consist of pure water that was in contact with a handful of molecules two dozen dillutions ago, what biochemical mechanism makes them effective?

Homeopaths can articulate some technobabble on water memory and the like but they know that's no answer. They don't care. They believe in their quackery, firstly because they trust Hahnemann and secondly because of some empirical evidence. Just some, because there's more and better evidence against it.
Science is based not on crude empiricism but on developing theoretical models to explain empirical evidence. Homeopaths have weak empirical evidence, no model to explain it and no initiative to come up with a proper one. That places them in the realm of iridology, reflexology, Ayurveda and so on. It's a fraud. Only shithole countries like Brazil and India finance it.

The one good thing in homeopathy is its personalized treatments increase patient morale. But building an entire field of lies and LARPing just to smooth patient feelings is unethical.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:45:37 [Preview] No.26424 del
>>26421
which im very shameful for


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>>26415
>the main problem with people is that they reproduce uncontrollable and live too long
I see you too have taken the blackpill


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:49:05 [Preview] No.26427 del
What does Natrium muriaticum (water LARPing as dilluted salt) do and how do homeopaths know they need to recommend it?
https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/charity/how-we-can-help/articles/homeopathic-medicines/n/nat-mur/

>Mother Ocean is not like Mother Nature. She is not like the apple tree, which gives shade and bears fruit in abundance: a nurturing, protecting image. Walk to the point of a rocky promontory, jutting out into the ocean, and gaze down at the sea and rocks in conflict below. Cast your eyes out to sea on a windy, heavily overcast day and look into the depths of your mother. She is chill and forbidding.
>Unlike Mother Nature the ocean is an aloof, impersonal and often harsh mother. She does not cosset or spoil her children; she stands back and leaves them to fend for themselves. She appears distant, cold and unfeeling and applies discipline with uncompromising strictness and severity. To spare the rod is to spoil the child. It is often the lot of the Nat mur child to be born into a family in which these qualities are valued and applied; in which emotions are not expressed, sympathy and love are not demonstrated, and a stiff upper lip is expected. The child is encouraged to achieve independence without the sheltering warmth of maternal nurturing. There is a lack of mothering. Paradoxically, this mother whose maternal instincts are so repressed, is often herself manifesting a Mother Ocean archetype – Nat mur or Sepia.
>The Nat mur personality
>The role of the mother figure is particularly critical in the healthy development of the Nat mur personality. There is a deep and often unfulfilled need for the security and warmth of maternal love, protection and nurturing in the Nat mur being, with an inability or unconscious reluctance to solicit, attract or accept the very sustenance they long for. The conditioning that it is weak to reveal dependency and needfulness compounds this. As a result they experience a sense of having been rejected or forsaken, left to their own fate, and therefore feel that they must be unimportant, unworthy of love and unlovable. In Nat mur this conclusion is attended by a persistent, even life-long feeling of resentment and grievance. There is no warmth in the childhood memories of mother, possibly only an awareness of indifference, criticism, harsh discipline and even neglect or abuse.

I don't even need to post any more paragraphs, that's enough bullshit already. "You have this personality, so you must ingest 30ml of dilluted salt which isn't actual dilluted salt but just water". Well, then, just drink some water.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:03:39 [Preview] No.26431 del
>>26427
>Well, then, just drink some water.
And water is good. Since our body consists of 60% water or so. Now this is homeopathy.

I'll read ofc what you posted. Sometimes soon.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:07:35 [Preview] No.26432 del
Btw, vaccination basically also homeopathy.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:09:39 [Preview] No.26433 del
But homeopathy isn't just harmless quackery. When the ignorant buy it perhaps it's just their problem if a lack of real treatment makes them die. But oftentimes those who don't buy into the fraud get harmed.
This is most evident in countries like mine, where it's financed with public money. Every cent wasted on homeopathy is a cent not spent helping patients who died from insufficient care. Many lives could be saved if the homeopathy lobby were crushed. They have blood on their hands and are no different from corrupt administrators who appropriate healthcare funds.
And homeopathy is sometimes included in private health insurance programs, making them more expensive just to finance deadweight. If you've ever turned down an insurance program because of its cost, homeopathy may be partially at fault.

>>26432
Vaccination has real concentrations, whereas homeopathy is literally water, and real mechanisms which have been thoroughly examined and proven. Homeopathy, Hahnamann's "science" has no mechanisms.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:32:00 [Preview] No.26435 del
>>26358
>Know what pisses me off? Here homeopathy is funded by the national healthcare system.

Here we also have some state-regulated homeopathy. Some homeopathy doctors can have medical profession and licenses, although official position of ministry of healthcare is somewhat indifferent with some negativity.

I guess this is actually a good thing, because educated and licensed homeopath is better than some random dude - at least he must not be insane.

Healthcare system is completely fucked though, doctors have 12 minutes for patient, long waiting times didn't disappear even when electronic registration is used, many local hospitals are underfunded, and doctors professionalism is very questionable. Wages are still low in many places, like 100-300$ (there were multiple media scandals about it).

I personally don't think that public healthcare could work at all, but this is debatable of course. Only good thing here is that private healthcare costs are relatively low - consultations and common tests are available for masses.

>>26423
>There's a very small chance some stray ion found its way into Natrium Muriaticum 30 CH. But it's safe to say there's none of it. Zero. Nothing.

Many homeopaths have alternative theories, i.e. something like memory of water and other things, so they don't care about ions and such.

Although I may play devil's advocate and give some arguments for homeopathy too.

Placebo effect is real - human body is a complex thing and even believing in something may be beneficial, less depressed and optimistic mindset may act positively on immune system for example. There are plenty of stories when mind conditions had effect on real disease, even confirmed by science (that placebo effect too). Of course it can't replace real treatment, but can supplement it.

People believe in medicine and drugs, but most common diseases couldn't be treated by anything. Like common cold and related virus diseases. There is no cure from viruses (compared to bacteria with antibiotics), antiviral drugs are memes, only real cure is to wait until your immune system will crush viruses. But mind wants some solution, tablet, drink, whatever, and when there is nothing, people start to treat viral diseases with antibiotics or large doses of anti-inflammation drugs (paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin). All these things don't help, they also can be dangerous. But how doctor can stop patient from doing stupid things and force them to wait (especially when patient is nervous and uneducated, as always)? Best way is to prescribe some completely safe thing like low doses of vitamins or homeopathy medicine. Person will use at and stay calm. Main goal for doctor is to choose when real treatment is needed or when patient may be "treated" like this.

Of course, using only homeopathy without proper medical care is a completely different thing.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 22:09:16 [Preview] No.26442 del
My father's a surgeon. Whenever he's around nearly half of what he talks about is quackery and health fads. Not a day goes by without a viral Whatsapp story: a nonexistant bean contamination (usually an old hoax which periodically resurfaces), a woman retrieving a gland from a chicken and claiming it's a parasitic worm, a story about how sodium bicarbonate with lemons cures cancer and so on. They always have technobabble language which sounds pompous and legitimate to bydlos and a dichotomic view where harmless everyday items are suddenly poisons that cannot be ingested in any case and expensive exotic foods work miracles.
There are also professional quacks, often with real degrees in Medicine, who make a lot of money using their respectability to swindle the ignorant. Dr. Lair Ribeiro is one such manipulator. They always come up with miracle diets and radical claims like that heavy consumption of alkaline foods is a fountain of youth.
And finally, there are entire fields and industries of meaningless medical LARPing, one of them being homeopathy.

No alternative medicine can cure a knife wound. Only plain materialism can do anything. Such alternative methods are mere psychological crutches for the desperate or those who are healthy and want something exotic.

From hearing all of this I have a lot of anger towards homeopathy and related industries and fads.

But he does often speak of >>26405, sanitary lifestyles -nothing special and exotic, just what anyone can do at no cost- already prevent damage from happening. But this topic is a bland, boring one and can't generate any viral stories and sensationalistic headlines, so it is forgotten. The ignorant masses thus practice no prevention and resort to superstition to fill in the gaps, with greedy scammers enriching themselves in the process.

>>26435
>Many homeopaths have alternative theories, i.e. something like memory of water and other things, so they don't care about ions and such.
Some homeopaths come up with alternative explanations, but they don't hold up well. If water retains the properties of something it previously in contact with, then all water has homeopathic properties. And each water molecule was on so many different places through its eons of existence. At which point do these properties disappear, and why? And this still doesn't provide hard explanations or any justification at all for the law of infinitesimals and "like cures like". Water memory itself is a controversial subject.
And like I've shown, homeopathic diagnosis is often emotion- and feelings-based, and specific compounds are associated with specific personalities. Why? Why is table salt even related to a given personality? Table salt is a crystal, a personality is a very complicated interaction of hormones, neural connections and social relationships, there's no intrinsic tie between the two and homeopaths only see such a tie because of their own cultural notions of personality and cultural understanding of salt.
In short, any attempted theoretical explanations only cover a small part of homeopathy and don't hold up under scrutiny. Even Flat Earth has a larger theoretical basis and a commitment to explaining itself.

And some homeopaths don't care. "It just works" and they go along with it.

>Person will use at and stay calm
Very good point, psychological well-being plays a part in physical recovery. Patients know nothing of science but trust it, so pseudoscience with a good veneer of respectability will secure their trust and placebo effect. Other patients have a mistrust of science but still love "natural" and "spiritual" technobabble, so scientific language together with emotional or ecological filler will swindle them and improve their recovery.

But though some small lies to get placebo effect working are justified, an entire industry built over lies is unethical. Ideally patients wouldn't be so ignorant and would have a basic understanding of biochemistry and medicine, and the psychological component of treatment would be carried out with less falsehood.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 22:39:19 [Preview] No.26444 del
>>26442
> Ideally patients wouldn't be so ignorant and would have a basic understanding of biochemistry and medicine, and the psychological component of treatment would be carried out with less falsehood.

In ideal world, maybe. But we have reality where humans aren't ideal and never will.

For example, I know a woman, she has higher education (in psychology though), she is sane and relatively smart, but with first light symptoms of something non-serous (like that common cold) she is panicking and trying to use wide array of medicines. No argument can make her stop, even when she agrees with it in discussion. Thanks god that market is full of cheap herbal and vitamin things that don't do any harm, otherwise she would destroy her liver with NSAIDs or such.

I guess even understanding of biochemistry wouldn't fix that side of human personality, it is survival instinct-based thing.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 23:07:04 [Preview] No.26445 del
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like 90% of modern drugs have their roots in herbs and trad medicine

doctors are just scummers that do it better than homeopaths


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 05:28:06 [Preview] No.26450 del
>>26433
>Hahnamann's "science"
I talk about homeopathy. It's older thought than that dude's. It's just means treating something with something similar. Vaccination is a textbook example, using a (weakened) pathogen to activate an immune reaction, so next time when the real thing comes the body would know how to kill the (normal) pathogens, and could heal itself.

And basically that's the thing: the body heals itself. Not the doctors. There are notable exceptions - autoimmune, cancer etc. - when this isn't true, or certain mechanical wounds are just too severe without medical help. Tho let's say if I break my leg I need a doc to put things back to and fix into place but the actual healing is made by the body. It's not liek the doc stands there with a welding machine growing the new tissue and connect the pieces...
So this guy >>26445 is basically right. Docs are fast to call out quacks while they themselves are just the same.
What does the good doctor do when I get the flu? Humming a little and tells me to stay at home, rest, drink lots of fluids, preferably hot tea with lemon and honey basically this itself quackery since there's no actual guarantees if vitamin C and flavonoids will help, or if they really help, by how much, reduce days? who knows, if my temperature rises to high take a pill to bring it lower. Ergo create cushy circumstances and let the body heal itself: wow such a science. I learnt the formula right after the first instance I had the flu, I don't need doctor to tell me again and look smart that he knows stuff. Now I know even more than a doc would say.
And even with cancer. They try to cut out or destroy the tumor but they can't do jack shit with the cause. They don't even know where these come from. Supposedly they come and go all the time, the problem arises when they remain. Yeah they talk about shit that can give you cancer but some people get, some don't. Even strong smokers have better chance to die something else than throat/lung cancer. Fuckin lottery. It ain't science, science should be reproducible, if I drop something 100 times it will fall 100 times and not sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Tl;dr: doctors are quacks.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 05:32:08 [Preview] No.26451 del
>>26442
>surgeon
Funny thing, they are the most useful docs around even tho they didn't even count as doctors back in the day for a long long time. They came from an ancient line of proud butchers, carpenters, blacksmiths and barbers. Oh the proletariat of the physicians.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 06:29:27 [Preview] No.26452 del
>>26445
pretty much this.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 06:45:38 [Preview] No.26453 del
>>26452
this is swedebernd dont know why im wearing a stahlhelmet


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Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 10:31:50 [Preview] No.26465 del
>>26445
>like 90% of modern drugs have their roots in herbs and trad medicine
Traditional medicine is often helpful, centuries of experience are not something to be ignored. Other times it's ineffective. How to know what's valuable and what isn't? Only conventional medicine has the methods to find out.

>doctors are just scummers that do it better than homeopaths
Doctors have to put up tremendous effort to learn wide areas of human knowledge and then work under pressure knowing the government doesn't care about them, even their employers can sometimes mistreat them and their patients are clueless, hate them and anything that goes wrong may end their career. Depending on their area they have to deal with and solve gruesome injuries. The pay is good but theirs is a real, difficult job.
Homeopaths, on the other hand, just have to "learn" some made-up fantasies and then play pretend psychotherapist and hand out made-up remedies to emotionally insecure patients. Unlike physicians not a single homeopath has to deal with intense pressure and gore.

>>26450
>I talk about homeopathy. It's older thought than that dude's. It's just means treating something with something similar. Vaccination is a textbook example, using a (weakened) pathogen to activate an immune reaction, so next time when the real thing comes the body would know how to kill the (normal) pathogens, and could heal itself.
Sure, it's one way to define it. But Hahnemann's homeopathy doesn't activate any immune reaction. It doesn't do anything at all besides placebo effect. So within this definition Hahnemann isn't even a homeopath. Yet nowadays that word is almost exclusively used for his followers. Homeopathic stores don't sell vaccines and self-proclaimed homeopaths don't produce them. Real vaccines, that is, which activate immune reactions. There is such a thing as self-proclaimed homeopathic vaccines, and as you may expect they're also water and cannot activate any immune reaction.

>Yeah they talk about shit that can give you cancer but some people get, some don't. Even strong smokers have better chance to die something else than throat/lung cancer. Fuckin lottery. It ain't science, science should be reproducible, if I drop something 100 times it will fall 100 times and not sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Radiation has an empirically observed effect on cancer risks and the theoretical basis behind it has been studied. Yet it doesn't provide a 100% chance, because human biology is complex and every body is different. So all that can be said is in terms of increased percentual chances. That isn't a lottery, it's actual meaningful statistical information backed by a theoretical basis.
This isn't the only area in the hard sciences or engineering where statistics and chances are used and that doesn't make them invalid. In the previous discussion about dillutions chemists also speak of the chances of a molecule being in the final solution after several dillutions. Astronomers, too, can easily make precise predictions on the orbit of celestial bodies but when those predictions are on the far future they have to speak of chances.
Same thing with tobacco, there's plenty of empirical evidence that it increases cancer risks. It is very much reproducible, that's what empirical studies do. And behind it are several proposed mechanisms. The result isn't in 0% or 100% but it's real.

That's what differentiates real medicine, it is ignorant and powerless for many things but only it can ask "how" and "why" and that allows it to do a lot of things its alternatives are completely incapable of pulling off.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:11:46 [Preview] No.26467 del
>>26260
I'm only eating toast and have 3 cups of tea in breakfast.

r8 my health and subscribe


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:18:06 [Preview] No.26469 del
>>26467
why are you not drinking coffee?!


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:19:57 [Preview] No.26470 del
>>26450
Well doctors use scientific methods as much as possible. Your fever is just a symptom, it might be flu, it might be rabies, it might be Saddam's spawn raping your soul..

In most cases you just have a flu, but what about the %0.5 cases? You die during chamber business.. painfully. As for cancer, imrpovments has made, istanbul didn't conquered in a day. If we let herb sellers handle these things we wont improve even after a century passed.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:21:12 [Preview] No.26472 del
>>26469
too bitter, I occasionally do drink coffee though.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:33:00 [Preview] No.26475 del
>>26472
sugar is not available in turkey?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:39:12 [Preview] No.26476 del
>>26475
what's the point if you need to drench the coffee in sugar to make it drinkable? it's not coffee then, it's coffee flavored sugar.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 13:42:52 [Preview] No.26477 del
>>26476
women drench themselves in make up in order to look presentable


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 15:25:38 [Preview] No.26481 del
>>26465
Thanks for remaining patient despite my tirade. I would add more but most likely I'm just tired of the Hungarian healthcare (despite I have very little contact with them in professional manner, but even that's more than enough).

>>26467
Why not three cups of three?

>>26470
>chamber business
Playing CK2 I see. Kek.
Well both rabies and flu has more symptoms. But here's a joge for you:
The veterinarian visits the doctor, who asks:
- What's the problem? Tell me your symptoms.
- Really? I tell? That would be too easy...

>>26477
Thank god. Humanity would go extinct fast if they didn't do it.
That's enough, grappa!


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:25:31 [Preview] No.26493 del
>>26477
most women are disgusting. I'm not even being misogynist, this is the naked truth.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:34:48 [Preview] No.26494 del
>>26493
You're a disgrace of hornyturkdom.
>most women are disgusting
That's just human condition.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:43:01 [Preview] No.26495 del
>>26494
>>26494
If you said this somewhere else after what I've said I would thought you're a woman.

Btw I didn't get the joke.

Speaking of coffee and tea, drinking tea is only a tradition that exist less than hundred years here, real tradition comes from russians. Originally we mostly sticked to coffee.

I feel like rebellious teen for drinking tea now.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:49:11 [Preview] No.26496 del
>>26481
is this the best reply you can come up with? accusing me of being grappa?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:52:12 [Preview] No.26498 del
>>26495
>If you said this somewhere else after what I've said I would thought you're a woman.
I don't see why. Human beans are disgusting in general regardless of sex, and most people are ugly fuckers with bad proportions, weird shapes, bad skin - again - regardless of sex. It's just when we look at a woman, we think if we should bed her and if she looks disgusting the fact effects us more, while with men we just exist along and their physical appearance is more bearable and forgettable.
The joke is: hornyturks wouldn't say no to anything, the bar is never too high.
Huh I wish I would have some hornyturk posts saved from KC main. They were fun.

>>26496
No. That's a joke since seeing a Swede commenting something negative about women is basically a meme now. My real comment is above that line.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:54:51 [Preview] No.26499 del
>>26495
>>26493
>>26495
does my fellow man read schopenhauer perhaps?

we live in an age of lies, and the women question is no exception. our ancestors knew how women worked.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:55:40 [Preview] No.26500 del
>>26498
>>26498
>commenting something negative
it is merely the truth.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:58:00 [Preview] No.26501 del
>>26498
>Human beans are disgusting in general regardless of sex, and most people are ugly fuckers with bad proportions, weird shapes, bad skin - again - regardless of sex.
are you projection this? perhaps swedes are generally quite good looking but I dont see ugly people that often. the ugly ones are usually norwegians that come here to visit


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:58:15 [Preview] No.26502 del
>>26498
>Human beans are disgusting in general regardless of sex, and most people are ugly fuckers with bad proportions, weird shapes, bad skin - again - regardless of sex.
agreed. but when you say that after I said that about women, I would assume so. because:

>say something about women
>most people/men are that way too
this is typical women behaviour when it comes to >>>>>>arguing.

>>26499
I mostly like nietzche (probably typo'd) I only know schopenhauer from quotes and whatnot.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:58:56 [Preview] No.26503 del
>>26495
coffee is healthier too


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:59:32 [Preview] No.26504 del
>>26503
I need validation since most coffee that humans drink are actually stale.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 16:59:50 [Preview] No.26505 del
>>26502
>this is typical women behaviour when it comes to >>>>>>arguing.
well he comes across as a bit of a feminine


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:00:47 [Preview] No.26506 del
>>26504
it has more vitamins, more caffeine etc. coffee drinkers live longer, protects against alot of diseases.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:03:44 [Preview] No.26507 del
>>26506
it's just tea drinkers (russia&china) either drink mercury to be immortal and kys in process or take crocodil in factory ruins. this has nothing to do with tea at all.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hN_Dp03jDtw [Embed]


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:05:08 [Preview] No.26508 del
>>26505
nod really I'm just pointing out something else but we digress.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:07:27 [Preview] No.26509 del
>>26507
tea (esp) green tea has alot of fluoride and contaminents in it. white tea is probably best.

here is two good articles if you want to read more about coffee and its health benefits

https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2014/06/04/coffee-done-right-tips-to-help-avoid-coffee-intolerance/

https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:09:06 [Preview] No.26510 del
>>26495
I forgot!
>coffee
We have a phrase, if we judge that a bad consequence will follow our action we say: "and here comes the black soup". The origin of this phrase is going back to the 16th century, to 29th August 1541 to be precise, when the Ottomans occupied the castle of Buda.
Suleiman received the child king János Zsigmond, the queen mother and several aristocrat in his camp at Buda (the Habsburgs prepared a siege and the arriving Turkish army warn them off). While they had a discussion, the janissaries were sent to "gaze around" in the castle since Suleiman was on seemingly friendly terms with the liege of the defenders. But the Turkish troops occupied the place quietly and while they do that at the end of the meeting coffee was served which were called black soup at that time (or translated as such), and as the servants brought it in, the sultan said, "and here comes the black soup". As the Hungarian leaders left it turned out the castle was taken.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:09:31 [Preview] No.26512 del
>>26509
>>26509
>Coffee done wrong leads to anxiety, shakiness, sweating, feeling wired, inability to focus, and sometimes cold extremities
that's my genes overall oh well...

anyway reading it now.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:11:10 [Preview] No.26514 del
>>26512
>that's my genes overall oh well...
sounds like you might be hypothyroid


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:13:49 [Preview] No.26515 del
>>26501
>perhaps swedes are generally quite good looking but I dont see ugly people that often
Hmm. Ugly people got used to the ugly so if others ugly they don't notice.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:18:12 [Preview] No.26518 del
>>26509
I've read it.

> One such step is adding a little coffee to milk/sugar instead of adding milk/sugar to coffee.
what does this mean? I couldnt get it.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:21:10 [Preview] No.26519 del
>>26518
he meant a few teaspoons of coffee to get used to the taste

I brew my coffee in this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0056ZVVHA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A28HOPZG8B4IYM&psc=1

very simple to use.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:39:45 [Preview] No.26522 del
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I accidently drenched my coffee in milk.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:42:05 [Preview] No.26523 del
turkish coffee is probably very bitter, with all that contact and time


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:43:20 [Preview] No.26526 del
>>26523
I mostly drink filter coffee though. Turkish coffee is for formal guests and traditional ceremonies and stuff.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 08:37:56 [Preview] No.26558 del
what is the best mineralwater around?

I heard donat has most magnesium

dont find any donat in sweden


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 08:47:33 [Preview] No.26559 del
Does anybody here at this point not even care about how their food tastes anymore and just think about all the nutrients?


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 09:00:12 [Preview] No.26560 del
>>26559
of course food has to be tasty

but I think that the future of food will be different then we are used to. veganism, no meat, all the vitamin pills is some of the things I see pushed on the public.

you need meat and fish to get the necessary nutrients to function properly. a dumbed down population is what the elite is striving for.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 09:06:30 [Preview] No.26561 del
>>26559
have you heard about this soy drink that became a bit of a meme I dont remember the name of it. it is powder and you mix it with water. thats the future I think. very efficient (the elite loves efficiency) and very non human.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 09:17:19 [Preview] No.26562 del
>>26559
I care about the taste. Just there was nothing to update the cooking thread.
I ate recently - what I can translate as - milk-loaf with butter, honey, and milk. I rarely eat anything with honey, I mostly just use it as tea sweetener. I didn't post this since it's too blogspotposty.
Nevertheless there's rarely a bad tasting food that couldn't be remedied with a healthy amount of hot paprika.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 09:55:36 [Preview] No.26563 del
>>26560
I think all the overt veganism is a psyop that they intentionally associate with weakness and leftism to hide the fact that most meat is the same, filled with chemicals et. al. Also to push beer as "trad" when it's also full of estrogen.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 10:08:06 [Preview] No.26565 del
>>26562
I dont like paprika

what you think about that


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 10:12:05 [Preview] No.26566 del
>>26563
beer has always been pushed. in old egypt beer was staple drink of all people.

not all meat is bad, try and get organic free range meat. usually you can find cheap argentina meat that is free range and organic.

I dont agree that veganism is a psyop, but can you elaborate more on that. I see it being targeted mostly to young females here, which they always do, target the young since they are the future. women then teach their kids to be vegans


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 10:30:17 [Preview] No.26570 del
>>26566
>I dont agree that veganism is a psyop, but can you elaborate more on that
Basically:
<veganism and soy gets pushed unto leftists and weaklings
<so overtly that the right wing starts thinking commercial meat is a good alternative (while in reality, it's probably full of bad stuff and is probably tied to occult sacrifices)
<beer is also pushed as "manly", "traditional" and against "da soibois"


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 10:34:17 [Preview] No.26572 del
>>26570
not everything is a psyop

cows have very efficient livers


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 10:59:29 [Preview] No.26577 del
>>26572
I'm just saying that the entire pushing among veganism among leftists and weaklings and the promotion of commercial meat and beer as "manly" is a psyop. Not veganism itself as a concept.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 11:08:56 [Preview] No.26579 del
>>26565
Then it's high time for you to learn to like it, will grow out your pubes finally.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 21:40:38 [Preview] No.26639 del
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>>26572
>not everything is a psyop
nyet, everything is a psyop until shown evidence and even with evidence it could be just fake assets.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 22:27:29 [Preview] No.26640 del
Well, at least I'm happy we have no Hahnemann believers here.



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