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Worry Bernd 04/27/2018 (Fri) 16:16 [Preview] No. 16116 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
If all the pictures and posts of a week are gone for good, why worry? Maybe, real worry is other imageboards' decline and that Odilitime manages things better?

Pls post your worries. I mean worry bears. For real worries the blog thread still usable.
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Bernd 05/30/2023 (Tue) 11:23 [Preview] No.50314 del
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I'm not sure about the shading.

Dutch bernd Bernd 06/07/2023 (Wed) 19:21 [Preview] No.50345 del
Mayb make it less shaded. Or blur the color

Bernd 10/23/2023 (Mon) 18:19 [Preview] No.51195 del
AI worry

Bernd 10/23/2023 (Mon) 18:26 [Preview] No.51196 del
It's getting there.

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WWIII Predictions Bernd 05/18/2021 (Tue) 23:04 [Preview] No. 43666 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
> Israel attacks Palestine, which is a path to genocide Palestinians, Jews don’t care
> There is nowhere for Palestinians to go, also, they shouldn’t have to leave their land
> Iran sends a biological weapon to Israel, devastating the country
> Full Middle East Muslim vs. Jew war
> US and Britain defend Jews, now it’s World War
> China and Russia protect Iran and the Muslims
> US is cut off from the world even though it can’t be invaded, civil war is in the streets
> Chinese colonize America with economic and soft power
> Germany, Turkey, and some other countries get kicked out of NATO for having the wrong alliances, former EU countries are devastated because the EU was basically the HRE and the only reason for prosperity in most of Europe
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Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 17:54:09 [Preview] No.43692 del
You can't kicked out of NATO.

Iran wouldn't care much, they would never launch missiles to Israel unless they are in existensial threat, they would use proxies like always.

Plus Iran is on path to reconciling with USA to keep the Israel and Turkey in check.

Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 18:52:35 [Preview] No.43695 del
The problem starts with the first line.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Well, breddy sure they already killed members of an ethnic group, caused them serious bodily and mental harm, etc., but as long as they say they have no intent to destroy even in part, noone will escalate this over a handful of Arabs.
>There is nowhere for Palestinians to go, also, they shouldn’t have to leave their land
This is reasonable ofc.
>Iran sends a biological weapon to Israel, devastating the country
This could happen sometimes. But the Israelis are excellent in gathering intelligence (so I heard), they'll know about it.
>Full Middle East Muslim vs. Jew war
Nah. The situation is far complex to just split the place like that.


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Bernd 05/19/2021 (Wed) 21:21:56 [Preview] No.43706 del
Nothing will happen

Bernd 05/20/2021 (Thu) 03:33:49 [Preview] No.43707 del
>Nothing will happen

You are probably right

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Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 22:44 [Preview] No. 25729 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
>niggers are degenerate
>Americans are degenerate
>t-shirts are degenerate
>blue jeans are degenerate
>wearing short sleeves is degenerate
>technology is degenerate
>science is degenerate
>all art is degenerate (and graven images)
>cosmopolitanism is degenerate
>touching your peepee is degenerate
>dating is fornication and degenerate
>materialism is degenerate
>gnosticism is degenerate
>philosophy is degenerate
>not having 10 children is degenerate
>music is degenerate
>shaving is degenerate

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Bernd 01/30/2022 (Sun) 18:21:55 [Preview] No.46265 del
>Unix (developed in BELL labs) are the Eunuchs, which is why there are so many trannies into Linux and programming.
That's a new take.

Bernd 02/02/2022 (Wed) 08:42:30 [Preview] No.46303 del
Well, you only need to find that one one Lithuanian poster on Liveleak called "Crapcakes".

Many OCs.

Dutch bernd Bernd 10/10/2023 (Tue) 17:13 [Preview] No.51116 del
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Did Danebernd ever discover what wasn't degenerate and was pure though? We and the rest of the world may never know

Bernd 10/10/2023 (Tue) 17:46 [Preview] No.51119 del
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>HTTPS isn't enabled on the website

Ack bernd. That's a basic security hazard for users

Bernd 10/11/2023 (Wed) 11:25 [Preview] No.51135 del
We'll never know sadly. Oh well.

Which site? Using Tor could alleviate the problem perhaps.
According to some https is:
- burden, both programmatically, and philosophically/politically (centralization, creating regulations, and authorities)
- gives false sense of security, serious actors can break it.

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Environmentalism and natives Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 18:58 [Preview] No. 24678 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I'll play advocatus diaboli.

Human life matters far more than biomass and forest coverage statistics. Non-human life is less valuable than ours and is under our administration; it is ours to use for the betterment of our species. Of course, as responsible stewards it is our duty to make use of it carefully so future generations won't be deprived by overuse. And as sensitive stewards we can appreciate the beauty of nature and recognize that some non-human life can feel pain, and adjust our rule over nature accordingly. But the life of some common tree is not worth more than the life of a human; it is not even worth the same.

You can cut down thousands and thousands of square km of virgin Amazon land and you'll still have enough untouched rainforest for every purpose you can think of. The new open spaces have housed wave after wave of settlers adding up to a population in the millions with major urban centers housing international airports and industry. Further south, the acidic soil of the central South American savannah was defeated and its neverending empty flatlands were turned into a global-level breadbasket with several neatly planned cities, a victory of willpower and reason over vacuum.
If not for deforestation, most of those settlers would now live in overcrowded eastern slums. Is that really a better way of life than living as a pioneer in a plot of deforested land? Millions of Europeans left their overcrowded continent to build something new on the other side of the Atlantic for similar reasons, and the conquest of the Amazon repeats this on a smaller scale.

And then there's the problem of national sovereignty. Would you feel comfortable with a sparsely populated porous border thousands of km long with several unstable states? That's what the northern border is. FARC guerillas have crossed into Brazilian territory before. Only a populated Amazon guarantees a safe border.

"It's all greed", you might say. It is true that greed is not the ideal driving impulse for the conquest of virgin land, and sadly it's a driving force. But the economic use of conquered land is not evil per se. It is easy to think so in a Scandinavian country where further economic growth brings little improvement to collective and individual well-being. But that does not mean material prosperity is unrelated to happiness. It just has diminishing returns. As an undeveloped state we are still at a point where economic expansion can have social/imaterial benefits. And within a globalized economy, exporting raw materials and the services and industrial goods produced within the cleared space contributes to overall prosperity, allows other undeveloped states to have their own improvements and, through trade, creates relations of interdependency which bring countries closer together and contribute to global peace.
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Bernd 02/28/2021 (Sun) 06:56:44 [Preview] No.42747 del
It would but there isn't. There is coke, which is made from mineral coal (but mineral coal is also just dead vegetation and animals). They use a bio- prefix to signal it's "healthy". If they would say char, they hype will be less.
Maybe there are different processes to make char, like when one in his backyard slowly smolders a bunch of waste from his garden, or I can imagine "factory made" charcoal, liek putting them into some container which gets heated up enough to turn the wood and stuff into charcoal. But how the end product would differ? And then would the second version be cost effective (one needs energy to heat up something, that needs fuel, with the first method the thing heats itself). Well they probably could sell it for horrible prices (and regulate to death the sale of "home made" char, to kill competition).

Bernd 02/28/2021 (Sun) 07:25:58 [Preview] No.42748 del
You can mine it out of the ground you don't need to make it...

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Bernd 05/24/2021 (Mon) 12:08:02 [Preview] No.43778 del
Hmmm. I think we should just nuke the Philippines.

Bernd 06/16/2021 (Wed) 07:31:10 [Preview] No.44000 del
Where would dysgenic men go to receive sum fuk?

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15th of November - Republic Day Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 01:56 [Preview] No. 20613 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Today we celebrate and glorify Pedro II's overthrow in a military coup 129 years ago, marking our transformation into a banana republic. The strongman who led the coup is even in every 25 cent coin.
As typical, Temer spoke about the virtues and strength of liberal democracy even though the Braganza were more liberally democratic than the following regimes.
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Bernd 08/29/2022 (Mon) 03:02 [Preview] No.48586 del
>The concept sounds a bit cooked. And forced. Feels kinda unnecessary. I see it is set into some kind of pair with thassalocracy, maybe for the need to name a group where non-thassalocratic states/countries can be included. So it sounds more liek exclusion from that group, which doesn't really belong (compare it to Bri'un) then get moved to the other.
Dugin was thinking geopolitically, tying imperial geography to trade/transport and then to how an empire has to organize its military, society and politics to control its territory. I have no idea if the article does justice to his theory, it's brief and doesn't get into the nuances. When an empire did form in South America, it was a lot different from the Eurasian land empires, either because of circumstances or geography.
Brazil becomes more land-based in the republican period, with the Navy becoming of secondary importance to the Army and a conscious, long-term and still incomplete effort to move the economic center of northward and inland. This is best symbolized by the capital's transfer to Brasília. A poweful bureaucratic apparatus and central authority did form. On the other hand, instead of "conservatism and the permanence of legal norms", there was greater political instability.

Bernd 08/29/2022 (Mon) 07:15 [Preview] No.48587 del
While one could make abstractions, find common themes, deduce underlaying rules, set up criteria, etc. the individual cases will be different enough if we take closer look. Geography is certainly a decisive factor for state and country formation, how the people live there. Other circumstances, like the historical background, and starting point also matters. The fate of Americas were all changed and basically all parts of it was put to a similar course when the colonizers set their foot onto the shores from their ships arriving from the motherland, and then they spread from the shores to inland.
I think historians, political scientists and the like view the region of the Eurasian steppes wrong. There are people with different ideas ofc, but they are fairly marginal. I'll take now an idea, a fragment of an idea, and will add a couple more fragments.
Eurasia should be viewed as a big pond, or a quite unusual river flowing in two directions, with ditches and banks on each (Eastern and Western) end, trying to deflect the flood, keep the water out. These banks are such empires as the Roman and the Chinese. Maybe even the southern borders with Iran and India are in similar position. In this giant region too empires formed but they are more changeable, more fluid, than what the brick people (Roman, Chinese, Iranian, Indian) build on the periphery. And they create waves as they emerge and put the water in motion, which then run towards the banks, sometimes over it causing floods and crises and changes. The point of emergence is always a different place, and when the flood reaches to the end will differ. The last wave was pushed by the Russian colonialism towards the East. The Mongol blokes appearing in this war with Ukraine now as soldiers are the waves reflected back from the Eastern banks (there were earlier waves too, it's like when one pebble causes many waves in a puddle, and stones are thrown generously into the Eurasian pond). The Central Asians appearing in European Russia is the sames.
Compared to this the countries emerging from the overseas colonies will have a very different fate, organization, and behviour.

Bernd 09/08/2022 (Thu) 12:30 [Preview] No.48696 del
That 8 wheeler looks badass.
Are they... symbolic? Any meaning they want to express?

Bernd 09/08/2022 (Thu) 21:45 [Preview] No.48701 del
They are what they are, tractors represent agriculture. The parades happen everywhere and are both civilian and military in content, back in middle school I remember marching past the town hall with my class. But this is the first time tractors partake in the capital's parade. The subtext is Bolsonaro's alliance with agribusiness.

Battles Bernd 07/16/2017 (Sun) 10:27 [Preview] No. 8950 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I've already mentioned the book titled On Killing - The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman (Lt. Col. of US Army). It gave some food for thought and I'm planning to write some of my speculation.

But what did the author write? Let's summarize.
He starts with the observation that most men has a natural resistance to kill (only 2% of men - those who have "predisposition toward aggressive psychopathic personality" - can go on killing without becoming a nervous wreck). This resistance is so high that even at times that our life is directly threatened (like others shoot at us) still difficult to overcome it. This resistance is the reason why infantry fire was so embarrassingly ineffective in the past 300 years - with the exception of machine guns - despite the fact that infantry weaponry (rifles) are reliable and accurate enough to cause massive losses among the enemy.
The author gives examples and sources, such as a Prussian experiment in the late 18th century, several reports and notices from several authors during 19-20th centuries (American, French, Israeli etc.), and an interesting work by a US Army historian who (and his coworkers) made mass interviews with fighting GIs during and after WWII. Also he cites his own conversation with veterans of WWII and Vietnam.
He gives new ideas on what's really happening on the battlefield. He compliments the widely known fight-or-flight model with two other options: in reality the soldiers can fight, posture, submit or flight. And most soldiers choose the second option.
Then he ponders on what enables killing (I'm gonna write more about this later) and how modern (post-WWII) armies achieve this. Then he compares these methods with the ways of contemporary mass media. His conlcusion is (after pointing out the exponential rise of violent crimes) that mass media has an undesirable effect on society.

What interesting for me is this resistance, and the enabling part. These things are actually give an entirely new way of looking warfare, and how and why battles were won.
For example the part officers (the demanding authority to kill) play in the enabling. When people (professional historians, history pros and other armchair generals) comparing the Hellenic phalanx with Roman manipulus and why the latter was more successful they compare everything but the officers. In the phalanx he's only one among those who stand in line and do the poking with pikes, but a Roman officer is one outside the formation and pressuring the soldiers to kill. It makes a huge difference if someone shouting in your ears "stab! stab! stab!" and generally pressuring you to kill. Especially if this one person is an exemplary one, a veteran whose skill in killing surpasses all the others in that particular unit. However noone talks about this because noone thinks about it.

I'll continue this sometimes, maybe only next weekend, we'll see. If you wish to read the book you can probably find it on libgen.
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Bernd 04/30/2023 (Sun) 01:51 [Preview] No.50177 del
It's a meme more than anything, I have never heard a German soldier mention it in memoirs and it was banned pretty quickly anyway because it turned solders into useless husks.

Bernd 04/30/2023 (Sun) 07:39 [Preview] No.50179 del
I dunno. An article said they took 10 million pills in 1941 only. On the other hand the article looked more liek a sensationalist smearticle.

Bernd 04/30/2023 (Sun) 12:41 [Preview] No.50180 del
I don't remember the full details of it, I just know it was banned for soldiers in either 1940 or 1941 by the army not the government I think.

However, it's a commercial product and as I said I think it was banned by the army, so civilians and the Luftwaffe(and maybe SS and Navy) might still have been able to get it.
I know that the allies gave pilots amphetamines to keep them awake, maybe something similar was continued in the Luftwaffe.

Bernd 04/30/2023 (Sun) 13:00 [Preview] No.50181 del
A Deutshe Welle article says it was made illegal in 1941. I can't find the page that I was thinking of that mentioned the German army banning it because of the effect it had on soldiers though.

Pretty much everything that comes up are news tabloids and pop-history such.

Bernd 04/30/2023 (Sun) 15:25 [Preview] No.50183 del
>news tabloids and pop-history such.

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Catalonia thread Bernd 10/17/2019 (Thu) 20:33 [Preview] No. 30566 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
This thread is for the discussion of the riots/strikes/events/etc... that are happening in catalonia right now.

-What happened today (I'll do later a re-cap of what happened before and also what is happening now)
Today I went to the students strike in Barcelona, luckly nothing happened and the cops stayed calm, we walked all together for a kilometer or so and then we ate lunch.
Tomorrow is the general strike so probably that's when I'll be able to post more interesting first-hand news.

-1 and 2: general pics
-3: the police helicopter that was over the strike watching
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Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 16:51:10 [Preview] No.38250 del
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A while back made this. It could be done the same with:
>not communism

Bernd 07/01/2020 (Wed) 21:30:41 [Preview] No.38258 del

It is pretty known city.


Players of Euro Truck Simulator know this one.

Bernd 01/01/2023 (Sun) 08:32 [Preview] No.49574 del
What's happening these days?
Catalonia would benefit a centralized European Union.

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I fucking miss these days so much, we had hope that we would do something, change something.... Now the optimism is gone

Our politicians are pussies, on our last Generalitat election most votes were pro-independentist and yet we did nothign
it's ogre

In general the European Union wouldn't benefit from regional nationalism, tough catalonia is similar to scotland in the sense that it is EXTREMELY pro-EU
So it's an interesting situation

Bernd 05/17/2023 (Wed) 08:04 [Preview] No.50257 del
Generally in Europe noone has balls for anything, and they also have to conform to the rule: "no border changes ever". This rule makes it possible to stood up against Russia too.
It's easy for me to believe that lotsa compatriots of yours are disappointed.
Have to keep in mind that things don't keep for ever, circumstances will change. Have to keep working towards the goal, and pass the will on to the next generation.

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Bernd 09/18/2018 (Tue) 11:39 [Preview] No. 19362 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
> "He got tazer!"
> Shot him
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Bernd 07/31/2022 (Sun) 11:27:42 [Preview] No.48420 del
Bunch of uneducated psychopaths.
You have any link to share to an article or something?

I'm not exactly sure what a sheriff does or how his office differ from regular police.

Bernd 07/31/2022 (Sun) 19:44:43 [Preview] No.48425 del
I have found this:
Apparently it happened more than a year ago, but the case has been "in review" since the video above was revealed. The dude in the floor was a nignog suspected of having participated in a deadly shooting. The police claimed they shot in response after he produced a gun and shot a policeman in a leg. However, this is disputed by other people who believe he was unarmed and the shot came from another police (probably that woman seen in the video)

While looking for that I found vids related.

Bernd 08/01/2022 (Mon) 10:15:25 [Preview] No.48426 del
Bloke pulling a gun while that many officers manhandling him doesn't sound plausible. One fucking up and negligibly discharging his/her gun is more like it.
>1st vid
Couple of bullets really can make an uncooperative person placid. I bet they have several classes on this in police school.
>2nd vid
He played too much vidya.

Bernd 01/14/2023 (Sat) 19:11 [Preview] No.49643 del
Bloke stabbed three cops with a knife. One dead.
They shot him in the leg and arrested him...

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>flee the Talibans
>get shot
look like four neger teenagers, who else...

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Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 05:29 [Preview] No. 18192 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Tank thread reup. So.

Today I had to bury the 6th dead bird this year. Not even this year, this summer! I would say I never ever buried this much but frankly before this I had to do this only twice in my whole life. I dunno what's going on with them.
It would be easier to just dump them into the dumpster but frankly I rather spend some energy and give them an ok final rest.
During digging I came across a very interesting archaeological findings: this tank on picrels. It wasn't mine and not any of my pals owned such or even played around that spot in our childhood so I suppose one of my family members owned this there are some possibilities.
What Bernd think what type of tank is this? I think it has the Sherman looks.

Also this can be a general vehicle/weapons thread as well.
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Bernd 08/10/2023 (Thu) 10:54 [Preview] No.50829 del
Now that am thinking. Do they have a Team Rechts?

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The first battalion riding Lynx's is getting set up.
They promise ~1700 USD net wage for soldiers enrolling to this particular unit. For the U25 age bracket. The current crew also gets wage bump to this level. The recruitment starts basically now, but signing up and enrollment starts next month. The contract is for three years.
The unit is part of 30th "MH Kinizsi Pál" armoured infantry brigade.
Btw if anyone wants a ride, there's some lottery game thingy on the Facebook page of the Hungarian Defense Force.

All in all we're gonna get 218 Lynxes by 2029.
Here's the parameters we get:
- 30mm autocannon
- guided AT missile
- "radio controlled weapon platform"
- smoke grenades
- fun
- length: ~8,5m; width: ~3,8m; height: 3,7m
- weight: 45t
- it's bigger than a fucking T-72
- crew: 11 (I assume 3+8???)

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Bernd 08/12/2023 (Sat) 02:04 [Preview] No.50838 del
So are the Hungarians setting up a new mechanised force and not replacing the equipment of existing ones then?

Bernd 08/12/2023 (Sat) 06:24 [Preview] No.50839 del
I think they just swap the equipment.
But I think the HDF is in a constant state of reorganization since 1990.
Although I knew a bit of the years of the people's army, they had several orders of battle during 40 years so.

Bernd 08/12/2023 (Sat) 06:32 [Preview] No.50840 del
Hmm, I wrote here >>50837
>getting set up
At first I got the impression it's a new unit, but then they wrote it has an existing strength, ergo the unit exists right now, they just have the old vehicles.

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Role Playing Games Bernd 12/17/2017 (Sun) 20:40 [Preview] No. 12621 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I want to begin a new series about a Hungarian pen and paper role playing game I've already mentioned in other thread(s). It's called M.A.G.U.S. - Kalandorok Krónikái (Chronicles of Adventurers) and I wish to guide you through it's history, world and maybe even rules. Frankly I'm not well prepared and most likely not the best person for the job, but, well, I'm the only one here and this is the best it's gonna get.
IRL talking with a real M.A.G.U.S. fan about M.A.G.U.S. is a real herculean challange as they can be extremely assburgerish about insignificant details, they can cite some careless comment from an obscure magazine's unknown article anytime and consider it rock solid canon they can base their opinion. It's worse to play it with an experienced fanatic as they are capable arguing to the point of the knife with the Kalandmester or Mesélő (Adventure Master or Tale Teller/Story-Teller, the DM, it's KM from no on) even if everyone knows the First Rule: the KM is always right.

Of course any other rpg can be discussed here, but I'd like to keep this thread for pnp or tabletop rpgs, crpgs should go into the Vidya thread.

>1st pic
This is the Első Törvénykönyv (First Code of Law or Rulebook, from now on ETK). It was published in 1997 for the first time.
>2nd pic
The Nagy Zöld (Big Green). Well this is the real first rulebook, published in 1993. The rules were written for a few years (I saw some parts in a mag from 1991) still it was full of errors, fuck ups and inconsistencies some of them haunt even in current year and will haunt probably forever. Never read it btw.
>3rd pic
Második Törvénykönyv (Second Code of Law) published in 1995 so even this predates the ETK... This one... I don't think it is more than some shitty addendum, even the foreword states every rule in this book is optional.
>4th pic
The continent of Ynev. I've no idea how to pronounce it so I call it Inev. The world itself is called Satriale... no, Satralis it has two other continents noone cares about only some vague shit were written about them and are unplayable by default. I think the ETK not even mentions the planet or operates on the supposition that Ynev is the name of the world. In following posts you will meet names very typical fantasy worlds. Lots of them were borrowed from IRL or other fantasy resources so prepare some familiar sounding stuff.

Oh I forgot. It's just a typical medieval fantasy world, with elves, dwarves and orcs. Luckily I don't know anything about gay-ass halflings.
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Bernd 07/26/2023 (Wed) 16:05 [Preview] No.50750 del
They would probably have to trade them on to a Horse trader or the Nomads would have to sell to the Horse trader in the first place and then use the money from that to buy whatever it was they want.

Bernd 07/26/2023 (Wed) 19:57 [Preview] No.50755 del
In sedentary land there probably is someone who buys horses, cattle, sheep, etc. in bulk. Several someones. In 16-18th centuries (or even later) Hungarian herders drove cattle to Vienna from the Great Plains like that.
In the book the author describes merchant colonies along the caravan road, where some nomads seem to come to seasonally. And he is halfway there to the truth. Steppe people on Earth had settlements (as I stated elsewhere), not everyone had pastoral profession, and there were works to be done which are impossible to do on horseback, most notably creating the tools of war. Where all the arrows came from? A tumen was 10000 warriors, each having arrows not just one quiver. All arrows needed blacksmiths and fletchers. It needed wood, feather, and iron. These needed further people who had to produce the materials. In case of iron, not necessary miners, because lots of the material came from bog iron, but still. There were mines too. Or the wooden structure of the yurt needed carpenters. These aren't just crude sticks tied together any amateur can produce, but wrought staves, and rims. These need proper tools, workbenches, and skill. These are just a couple of jobs from the top of my head. The clothing, blankets were home made for sure by their women while men were on the fields with the livestock.
Along the branches of the silk road large cities could be found (some the size of ancient Rome), some with a mix of population on the periphery of the steppes. But inside the steppes (eg. Sarkel), outsider immigrants were minority.
These cities were the trade centers where the wranglers and "cowboys" and shepherds drove their animals to. Some were sold right to butchers (cities the size of Rome consumed a lot), but sure were many people who wanted them on all fours, since food preserves alive the longest.
Trivia: steppe horses are usually small, "rough" creatures, but in Fergana they reared such breeds which were similar to majestic Arab horses, and were fed with oat fodder.

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