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Jolly Christmas! Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 13:32:54 [Preview] No. 33383
We lacked in such thread.

No snow. Getting used to it but everything looks awful and dull.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 15:06:43 [Preview] No.33399 del
Nadolig LLawen oddi Cymru

Merry Christmas from Wales

No snow here either, what a drab winter.

I hope you all have a merry one free from suicidal thoughts with plenty of laughter and hopefully a shag.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 15:36:37 [Preview] No.33401 del
Blackadder is fun. Should have put that on the Xmas Special playlist.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 17:14:20 [Preview] No.33406 del
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hier ist harry kim und er wünscht dir frohe weihnachten und ein gutes neues jahr

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 18:44:27 [Preview] No.33411 del
We didn't even decorate the house this year.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 19:11:43 [Preview] No.33413 del
Get some paper, cut up some snow flakes, put them on string a hang em up.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 19:15:16 [Preview] No.33414 del
We only decorate trees.
But for some years now I see house decorations here and there. Like in American movies and shows. And Santa decoration as if climbing on the walls, balcony and such.

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 22:34:41 [Preview] No.33419 del
Happy rainy Christ mass Krautchan (the one and only)

Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 22:42:50 [Preview] No.33421 del
Yep, that was pretty much how my Christmas place was. I had a confetti tree, small plastic presents for decoration and a big gold star over it. And the manger scene obviously

Also put some stockings and some wreaths around.

Eh merry Christmas anyways. Hopefully next year it's a lot better on the decorating.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 06:13:20 [Preview] No.33423 del
Same. I don't even care about Christmas any more.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 08:08:19 [Preview] No.33424 del
Nice Christmas morning. The Sun almost shines. Maybe will a little later.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 14:06:20 [Preview] No.33426 del
Weather is very clear and warm here.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 14:09:59 [Preview] No.33427 del
Look out, that dude who crossed Wales along a straight line is gonna jump through your fence.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 14:18:07 [Preview] No.33428 del
Hah, I'd be amazed if he managed a straight line over these mountains.

Its really sunny here, feels nice. Might go for a walk later.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 15:40:16 [Preview] No.33431 del
Christ is born!
Merry Christmas Krautchan.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 15:57:51 [Preview] No.33432 del
God bless thee polan

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 16:07:36 [Preview] No.33433 del

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 18:39:39 [Preview] No.33434 del
No snow here neither, but I live in a valley so I'm used to seeing snow far away but and not here so It's nothing new
Anyways Merry late christmas!

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 19:34:02 [Preview] No.33440 del
I had no decorations whatsoever, not even a ribbon. My only present was a wallet. But I did eat a lot including several kinds of cheese. We'd also have this Christmas treat but the bread was too porous for it. Well, being with family and having fun was the important part.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 20:41:01 [Preview] No.33441 del
return the wallet you stole

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 20:57:09 [Preview] No.33443 del
Common boyos, post some nice christmas music!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SQfR03hIujw [Embed]

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 21:06:47 [Preview] No.33444 del
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So what's the weirdest Christmas tradition in your country? Does Santa Claus invade your house to abduct you if you're bad? Are there demons that annoy you in 17 different ways if you're naughty? What sorts of meals do you eat?

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Everything went better than expected. Tho the chorus of the kids sang in higher pitch I wished for.

Yeah, old Uncle Joe is a good boy for almost 7 decades now.
No Santa, hereabout Little Jesus brings the presents. It's a K.u.K. tradition. No demons. Regölés is a folk tradition, fertility-wealth magic. The regösök are visiting houses and they chant and sing, then they get presents. I think I wrote about this in another thread.
We eat stuffed cabbage, fish, fisherman soup and bejgli.

Bernd 12/25/2019 (Wed) 22:29:49 [Preview] No.33447 del
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here we don't celebrate Santa Claus but "el tió de nadal" (Christmas Log) pic related
The tradition is that in December you start feeding him every night so that on Christmas eve he will shit presents for the children.
Before he shits the presents the kids have to hit the log with a stick, singing a song that goes;
"shit, log,
shit nougats (turrón),
hazelnuts and mató cheese,
if you don't shit well,
I'll hit you with a stick,
shit, log!"
>Everything went better than expected.
Of course! I only post the best of the best music jej

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 06:12:14 [Preview] No.33449 del
In Wales we have 'sion corn' which literally means john pipe but a chimney is a corn mwg (smoke) so its really john chimney. He is a very grumpy old man who swears by saying blincin. He also sits in an arm chair duct taped to a trailer and his mate tows him around all the villages with Welsh nationalism music blaring as he throws sweets at passing kids. Not sure how local that one is to me though. Also can't confirm but someone told me he pours petrol down the chimneys of naughty Englishmen.

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 06:16:18 [Preview] No.33450 del
Also, he looks like santa

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 07:33:11 [Preview] No.33451 del
Ein Weihnachtsmann aus Holz.
The shoes on their third legs ain't that shiny as their other shoes.

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The BBC airs this Christmas concert every year on TV from Cambridge. The chapel itself is really beautiful, a real treasure, thanks dog Cromwell didn't destroy it and England leaving the Catholic church saved it from being transformed into a Baroque splendor golden church.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OYWgXwNsmn0 [Embed]

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 12:06:08 [Preview] No.33456 del
The BBC are so pathetic, their need to keep focusing in on that African only makes me sick of his face.

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 19:10:34 [Preview] No.33458 del
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>here we don't celebrate Santa Claus but "el tió de nadal" (Christmas Log) pic related
A little bit cute, a lil bit gross. I like it

>The BBC are so pathetic,
UK is a little cucked right now tbh

>So what's the weirdest Christmas tradition in your country? Does Santa Claus invade your house to abduct you if you're bad?

Where to begin?


Also, NOT RACIST*. Just historical

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 20:10:51 [Preview] No.33463 del
this just reafirms my position on the catalonian independence, sounds like a mixture of something from the india and canada.

Bernd 12/26/2019 (Thu) 23:00:44 [Preview] No.33468 del
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So here's some more Nordic Christmas stuff. Of course, they have their typical retelling of Christ's birth (which I reiterate happened in mid-September, has nothing to do with Yule) it's usually celebrated on Christmas Eve, own Santa called Julemand that lives in Greenland, so on so on, but let's talk about some older stuff.
There's this gnome character called the "Julnisse" which basically was Danish Santa Claus before there was Julemand. It comes from the usual soul superstitions of Scandinavia, right? You're supposed to feed the gnome porridge, but if there's no butter in the porridge, he literally kills your farm animals. Then there's the "Christmas goat" though this is more of a Swedish/Norwegian thing (Julbocken). If you were naughty, he would come into your house and abduct you, and later boil you alive. I've heard stories about this from Finland as well (where they of course believe Santa is in Finland) And of course you can't forget the "Yule Lads" in Iceland. So in Iceland, they hold "12 days of Christmas" literally, and for these 12 days, if you're naughty, these demons called the "Yule Lads" would just constantly harass you in different ways, like slamming your door, eating your skyr, stealing your meat, etc.
Already knew about that. Apparently Zwarte Piet comes from an ancient Germanic tradition (there was this Germanic tribe in modern Switzerland that'd paint themselves black to camouflage themselves in midnight raids), but at the same time, he comes from Spain where there were actual negroes dating back to medieveal times (from west Africa).

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 00:00:10 [Preview] No.33469 del
>The shoes on their third legs ain't that shiny as their other shoes.
Yeah well and you call money plata

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 01:28:15 [Preview] No.33471 del
Let's not try to kick the shit, I don't have the upper hand here.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 08:53:42 [Preview] No.33481 del
Wew, what did everyone get? I got a tape measure!

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 09:10:28 [Preview] No.33483 del
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Now you can measure them.
We don't really give gifts. Usually necessities, like new socks or something. Pops will get me a 3M dust mask if everything goes as expected. But this we do year round, so whatever.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 09:55:32 [Preview] No.33486 del
I got the equivalent of 14 dollars which, if I don't spend in crypto soon enough and let them rot, will turn into the equivalent of one dollar.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 11:17:36 [Preview] No.33488 del
Making more volatile currency than crypto is in itself quite an economic achievement.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 11:35:50 [Preview] No.33489 del
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>No Santa, hereabout Little Jesus brings the presents.
Wew, remember our talk from last year Christmas about who brings presents in different countries and how we concluded many characters only appeared during commie times? I've been at my family house yesterday and I was giving gifts to the kids there, and when they thanked me for it I told them it's not from me but from the Starman. Then my 8 year old nephew told me straight to the face that I'm full of shit because starman was made up by commies and that those gifts are from Saint Nicolaus.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 11:36:35 [Preview] No.33490 del
why not invest in gold like the poos. It's pretty smart as the mega rich jews own gold and keep the market very stable. It will basically never lose value and be much more stable than the inflation rate of any currency.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 11:45:28 [Preview] No.33491 del
>remember our talk from last year Christmas about who brings presents in different countries
Yes. It was last year?
I read Stallman at first.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 16:09:06 [Preview] No.33506 del
It's not like buying crypto where you can set a price and if the price goes according to that you get it. Plus I'd be having to corroborate if it's legit or not.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 05:06:53 [Preview] No.33543 del
I got a Panama hat and some money.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 07:36:07 [Preview] No.33545 del
Are you Swedish?

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 09:08:12 [Preview] No.33547 del
No. Do Swedes get given Panama hats for Christmas?

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 09:10:13 [Preview] No.33548 del
We had a Swebernd demanding Panama hat for his ball.

Bernd 12/31/2019 (Tue) 02:07:13 [Preview] No.33636 del
This is the most conspicuous Christmas sweet, not because of a central role in anything or cultural value (it's an Italian import and more of a pan-Latin phenomenon) but for its frequency in stores. It appears sporadically months before Christmas and gradually builds up until it fills shelves. Then it withers away through the beginning of the following year.
In some versions the fruit is replaced by chocolate. Purists decry this as a fraud and an offense. As a moderate I like the ones with chocolate drops and spots but not the radical, iconoclastic forms such as inner chocolate filling half of the space. Sometimes it's not even sweet chocolate.

Bernd 12/31/2019 (Tue) 07:32:07 [Preview] No.33639 del
I like the pastry/dough from these type of pastries, and not the filling, additional sweet etwas they spice the thing. But sometimes even the dough taste like turd, like the one I ate last year which contained Amaretto.

Bernd 12/31/2019 (Tue) 18:30:06 [Preview] No.33670 del
On the traditional version the extras are light, they're just bits of fruit. The important part is the dough which is sweet and fluffy.

Bernd 10/19/2020 (Mon) 21:00:04 [Preview] No.40621 del
To keep it for a year.

Bernd 10/19/2020 (Mon) 21:33:22 [Preview] No.40622 del
It's already panetone season.

Bernd 10/20/2020 (Tue) 05:48:15 [Preview] No.40624 del
I wish it was bejgli season.

Bernd 10/20/2020 (Tue) 12:00:34 [Preview] No.40626 del
uma delicia

Bernd 10/21/2020 (Wed) 22:08:46 [Preview] No.40650 del
>Only a few weeks left until Christmas again

I'm surprised that it's been almost a year since this thread has been made. Time flies when a pandemic is happening tbh

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 12:28:19 [Preview] No.41378 del
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Where's all de fuckin Christmas css? I want some fuckin' snowflakes 'round 'ere sharpish!

Cytube this xmas?

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 12:29:01 [Preview] No.41379 del
hah, wow, I'm not austria.

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 12:52:44 [Preview] No.41382 del
Did someone say Australia?

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 13:01:40 [Preview] No.41383 del
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Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 13:52:54 [Preview] No.41384 del
No, Austria, the good one with Hitler, Alps and chocolate extraordinaire. Not Australia, the bad one with forest fires, Home and Away and petrol drinkers.

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Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 17:44:56 [Preview] No.41387 del
There should be the usual stream. We are working on it.

Me neither.

I always mistake him with Tony Blair.

Boongs are good.

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 19:29:18 [Preview] No.41388 del
austria make good chocolate?

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 19:49:04 [Preview] No.41389 del
Mozartkugln? Well more liek confectionery but still.

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 19:49:34 [Preview] No.41390 del

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 20:28:46 [Preview] No.41394 del
Well, better than australia

Bernd 12/07/2020 (Mon) 22:57:32 [Preview] No.41399 del
check 'er in the ute

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 09:32:02 [Preview] No.41409 del
plz boong, i do not speak australian
tie your kangaroo down and translate this for me?

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 12:43:31 [Preview] No.41411 del
put another shrimp on yer barbie mate

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 17:13:50 [Preview] No.41415 del
>yer barbie mate
>yerba mate

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 17:43:03 [Preview] No.41418 del
I've read the same hehe.

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 17:45:52 [Preview] No.41419 del
Maybe was intentional on his part.

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 18:33:03 [Preview] No.41427 del
>yerba mate
Couple of years ago on vacation I visited the home of a Spaniard bloke and they invited me to mate tea with milk. Was bretty gud. Since then I have wanted to try it again but here not so easy to find, less so the brewing kind

Bernd 12/08/2020 (Tue) 18:41:12 [Preview] No.41428 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=95OovSKEtfs [Embed]

Bernd 12/11/2020 (Fri) 06:49:26 [Preview] No.41472 del
yerba mate sounds like some poofta shit
get some vb in ya gullet

Bernd 12/11/2020 (Fri) 15:44:55 [Preview] No.41488 del
its good

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 02:35:15 [Preview] No.41494 del
It seems like a small drink. Like 100ml. How could that be enough?

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 03:04:41 [Preview] No.41495 del
Can there be alcoholic yerbam8?

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 09:33:07 [Preview] No.41500 del
jarba mete is very bitter imo

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 11:23:46 [Preview] No.41501 del
why it is called yerba mate
is this to say, it is called 'yerba' - and 'mate' is just local swag

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 11:24:03 [Preview] No.41502 del
give me a glass of yerba mate mate

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 11:27:16 [Preview] No.41504 del
It's yerba-maté actually.

Bernd 12/12/2020 (Sat) 11:42:01 [Preview] No.41505 del
Where is the Yerba-maté General thread?

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 01:48:06 [Preview] No.41529 del
I'll explain.
You can (and should) brew the same leaves multiple times, like 5 or 7 maybe. So when I finish drinking one cup I just pour more hot water into it. If you throw it away after one brewing you're basically wasting it.
It's not alcoholic. It has caffeine and something else inside it that gives you energy so it's more like substitue of a coffee.
Also it's a drink from south america, so the mate is not pronounced like english mate, mate.
It's not served in a glass typically, although if you really wanted you could drink it even from a bucket. Usually you drink it from a gourd like pic related.

There was a food & drinks general and I think I wrote about it there.

True but you can get used to this taste. Also you could make it a cold and sweet drink if you wanted to. The water you use have to be as close to freezing as possible though otherwise it wont brew. I like to use lemon juice and honey (basically I make lemonade first) and add some extra ice cubes but I guess something else would work too. I think I tried apple juice at one point too. Very good drink in hot summer.

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cheers mate

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 15:13:29 [Preview] No.41545 del
Investing in Eastern Paraguay I see. Or maybe in Western I dunno.

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 15:41:58 [Preview] No.41549 del
is that spoon thingy a must if you want to indulge in drinking this liquid

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 15:50:31 [Preview] No.41551 del
I think you drink the drink from below the herbs. So probably the "straw" unavoidable.

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 15:53:18 [Preview] No.41553 del
correct, all the leaves go to the top so the only way is to drink using the bombilla

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 16:03:30 [Preview] No.41557 del
sounds like a weapon lol

Bernd 12/13/2020 (Sun) 16:07:59 [Preview] No.41559 del
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It is in fact Eastern Paraguay. And Brazil.

Bernd 12/23/2020 (Wed) 19:20:16 [Preview] No.41755 del
Merry christmas everyone!

Bernd 12/23/2020 (Wed) 21:37:24 [Preview] No.41757 del
Merry Christmas to you too, and all the Bernds regardless of nationality and religion.

And again we have no snow, just thick fog, soaking everything. Only can see the lights of few streets, town looks dark. During the day the skies are steel grey, the lands are drab. People complain but curiously it doesn't depress me at all.

Bernd 12/24/2020 (Thu) 00:42:22 [Preview] No.41758 del
We didn't get snow here either, I blame global warming.

Bernd 12/24/2020 (Thu) 08:40:00 [Preview] No.41759 del
Just a few thousand years ago snow covered whole Australia, and now look at what happened.

Bernd 12/24/2020 (Thu) 13:21:09 [Preview] No.41760 del
australia has plenty of snow, just not everywhere

Bernd 12/24/2020 (Thu) 13:29:53 [Preview] No.41762 del
Well... We don't have any snow on the continent during summer but we have plenty of snow in our many colonial holdings.

Bernd 12/24/2020 (Thu) 20:42:41 [Preview] No.41770 del
That place looks good. Little bare maybe.

Bernd 12/25/2020 (Fri) 08:23:11 [Preview] No.41772 del
This image was also from that article. The snow melts in spring.

Bernd 12/25/2020 (Fri) 08:49:26 [Preview] No.41773 del
The tradition of the Christmas Tree was introduced on the Hungary in the first half of the 19th century. First documented use was in 1824. It didn't hold right at that moment, took about a hundred years to spread everywhere.
Protestant nobles brought the custom to the Court in Wien then they passed it on. It seems the spread in Austria-Hungary was helped a lot by the K.u.K. Army, during WWI the units erected trees to celebrate Christmas, and then soldiers took the tradition with them home.

Bernd 12/25/2020 (Fri) 12:55:42 [Preview] No.41774 del
kuk means cock in swedish lol

Bernd 12/27/2020 (Sun) 17:43:55 [Preview] No.41802 del
What US Americans eat for Christmas?

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 13:41:23 [Preview] No.41811 del

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 14:46:32 [Preview] No.41814 del
bought some alkohol for new years ewe

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 18:14:55 [Preview] No.41817 del
Can be junk.

What kind?

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 19:02:16 [Preview] No.41819 del
beer and gin

thinking about getting some tokaji

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 19:19:55 [Preview] No.41820 del
Do you prefer dry or sweet wine?
Tokaji Szamorodni has both, but if you'd drink sweet then pick Tokaji Aszú instead. I'm sure all the Tokajis exported to Sweden will be good, it's just that Aszú is more special. It's graded from 3-6 puttony (I don't wish to go into this, because I lack the jargon and translating would be tedious), the higher the better; over 6 puttony it isn't wine anymore, but essence - which is even more sweeter, and made of pure gold and sunshine.

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 20:06:33 [Preview] No.41821 del
aszu is 20euro for 0,5liter here...maybe worth it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=h-aj9058MLo [Embed]

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 20:13:45 [Preview] No.41822 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6vPpdmcKQH0 [Embed]

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 20:35:38 [Preview] No.41824 del
179kr? Yup, that's good shit. Prices can go even higher to 200-250€. But a 20€ aszú >>41821 will do just fine, that's what a common mortal would consider as great wine.
I'm not sure after a certain price a common mortal would taste the difference between them. There's a huge gap between (now without mentioning price) the average wine and a good wine in taste (a good wine starts where you barely notice the acidity - at least for my taste), but beyond good wine, I'm not sure.

Szóda is great. Can make a barely bearable white wine pretty drinkable. We call that a splash (fröccs pronounce as frötsch).

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 20:52:13 [Preview] No.41825 del
Btw, a bottle of aszú is not what you drink for one sitting, and especially not for getting drunk. Some people even just drink a couple of centiliters of it, and the bottle is depleted over a longer period of time (weeks).

Bernd 12/28/2020 (Mon) 22:21:04 [Preview] No.41831 del
Merry Christmas berds. What did you guys get as a gift?

>We call that a splash (fröccs pronounce as frötsch).
Why though?

Bernd 12/29/2020 (Tue) 02:56:02 [Preview] No.41838 del
I got a Vaporoen and a Piplup plush, also I got an Eevee pop but I hate pops, I am going to have to disown my grandma for getting it.

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>Why though?
It's wine with a splash of carbonated water. How should we call that?
Actually someone joked that "let's give cocktail names for fröccs" and the came up with splash (he named it in English). But there's a variety of splashes so he came up with other cocktail names. Liek: "large splash" (wine 2dl - water 1dl), "small splash" (1dl-1dl), "long step splash" (wine 1dl - water 2dl), and others. Then there's red wine and coca-cola (well any kind of cola type soft drink) which we sometimes call vadász (=hunter) and that become "splash hunter".
I don't remember all the variations maybe gonna try to look it up, somewhere it still might be up.
A book and trousers.

>Piplup plush
>Eevee pop
Erm. What?

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Bernd 12/29/2020 (Tue) 19:25:30 [Preview] No.41852 del
I will get the tokaji azus tomorrow

over and out

Bernd 12/29/2020 (Tue) 19:28:28 [Preview] No.41855 del
I see.

Call it asuu if that's easier.

Bernd 12/29/2020 (Tue) 19:55:11 [Preview] No.41856 del
I mean if you pronounce asuu like a Swede would do, you get something very much similar to Hungarian aszú.

Bernd 12/29/2020 (Tue) 22:06:39 [Preview] No.41858 del
>cut up some snow flakes, put them on string a hang em up
Roger that. Got a bunch of 'em at SNHU. I think the pink and blue hair will make the corpses seem festive.

Bernd 12/30/2020 (Wed) 18:07:43 [Preview] No.41863 del
im gonna be alone at new years eve

dont know how I feel about that

Bernd 12/30/2020 (Wed) 18:15:57 [Preview] No.41864 del
It's just a day that any other. We give certain days importance. You can decide to be bummed out for the alone time or shrug it off.
I won't be here most of the day, and not during the night, so can't give online consolation. I also have alone time, but I have a yearly thing I do, which I won't disclose here since it's personal.
Maybe this would be a good advice. Have an own "ritual", a personalized way of spending the New Years Eve.

Bernd 12/30/2020 (Wed) 18:43:36 [Preview] No.41865 del
it aint easy being a bernd

Bernd 12/31/2020 (Thu) 11:49:05 [Preview] No.41878 del
I'd be playing video games in that situation tbh.

Bernd 12/31/2020 (Thu) 14:00:52 [Preview] No.41880 del
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These "Happy New Year!" images are so cringe. At least this one is somewhat cool.

Bernd 12/24/2021 (Fri) 09:35:58 [Preview] No.45931 del
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It's getting Christmas again. I hope Bernd is gonna have a comfy one.

Dutch bernd Bernd 12/25/2021 (Sat) 04:53:57 [Preview] No.45940 del

Having super comfy tiem right now. Lots of eatenings and vidya playing while I enjoy today. And sharing and taking with bernds. Here's a sort of Christmas special from a yt channel that was very active and popular called *Filthy Frank

*note: he was the one who started the Harlem Shake meme on Youtube.

Bernd 12/25/2021 (Sat) 05:02:53 [Preview] No.45942 del
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Here's a few Christmas related threads on bernd group. I liek them a lot due to Finnish posts in them




Bernd 12/25/2021 (Sat) 12:25:37 [Preview] No.45953 del
I got a nice pair of boots, will make hiking easier as mine are already very worn down.
What is Bernd's gift?

Bernd 12/25/2021 (Sat) 12:41:05 [Preview] No.45954 del
A good pair of boots sounds nice. I have two for hiking (winter and warm-er weather pair), still in serviceable condition. But maybe next year I'll try to obtain a pair of French canvas boots, supposedly their military uses/used in warm climates. Such as yours, what kind of boots you got, you use?
I got necessities, like clothing (chiefly to refill my constantly eroding sock stock).

Bernd 12/25/2021 (Sat) 13:41:33 [Preview] No.45957 del
Rubber sole leather boots, I was using the same since 2018. My old boots look a bit sturdier on the outside but their insoles were made of cloth, wore down very quick and I had to replace them with new rubber insoles which don't really fit, the good thing about the new ones is they seem to be durable. The main wear and tear on the old boots is the heels getting flat, that can't be fixed.

Bernd 12/26/2021 (Sun) 10:12:06 [Preview] No.45959 del
I got a Raichu, a Dragonair and a diving knife. Not that I actually go diving at all so I don't know what I will do with it.

Bernd 12/26/2021 (Sun) 10:23:26 [Preview] No.45960 del
Yeah, heels wearing down is a major issue. Back then they made boots with replaceable soles.

Well, you can use the diving knife as regular knife. It cuts outside water too.

Bernd 12/26/2021 (Sun) 12:04:42 [Preview] No.45961 del
It's kind of shaped like a commando dagger but with less of a point, you can strap it to your leg or shin as well and the sheath holds it in place quite well and you need to hold down a button to release it so you would not worry about it falling out. If I ever go undercover operating and I need a hidden knife to assassinate people then maybe I will use it but that's not something I do regularly. And this is if what you say is actually true and it can cut outside of water.

Bernd 12/26/2021 (Sun) 12:11:25 [Preview] No.45962 del
>shaped like a commando dagger
It has double edge? Because that's awkward to use for..., well everything a knife would be used for, and might be very well that only good for stabbing.
If it has only one edge, then it can be used whittling or food prep.

Bernd 12/26/2021 (Sun) 13:05:08 [Preview] No.45963 del
Yes, I guess you are meant to use it to hunt dolphins or stab sharks if they attack you. It might work as a throwing knife, it's slightly handle heavy but not too much, the handle has holes through it and is just metal covered in some rubbery substance.

Bernd 12/27/2021 (Mon) 20:01:27 [Preview] No.45970 del
You could blunt one edge, so you can use it in normal knife roles (those might need to hold the knife that could potentially cut your fingers/hand if it had double edge, like pushing the blade with a thumb).

Bernd 01/01/2022 (Sat) 06:20:06 [Preview] No.46005 del
I got a pidza, a pokemon plushie and a rubber duckie. It was good Christmas

I have not had a good pair of boots in a while. I should look into that

Bernd 01/01/2022 (Sat) 10:02:31 [Preview] No.46013 del
The Raichu and Dragonair are plushes as well. A rubber duck is probably a good thing to have when your country is mostly at or below sea level.

Bernd 01/01/2022 (Sat) 10:36:05 [Preview] No.46014 del
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Happy New Year, Bernd!
These Chinese new year cards aren't that good than last year's. I rolled through DDG well. This one was the most acceptable, simple, kinda elegant.

>rubber duckie

Bernd 01/01/2022 (Sat) 19:03:34 [Preview] No.46026 del
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But Chinese NY is month away (February 1st or something like this).

Bernd 01/02/2022 (Sun) 06:45:50 [Preview] No.46028 del
I hope the Chinese commando won't kick the door/window on me.

Bernd 01/06/2022 (Thu) 00:10:54 [Preview] No.46047 del
>rubber duckie

Well it wasn't that big though. Maybe next year's one though

It was also a polka dot duckie, which I thought was a nice touch. It liek a mushroom pattern almost

>A rubber duck is probably a good thing to have when your country is mostly at or below sea level

This tbh

>The Raichu and Dragonair are plushes as well.

Was it one of those old ones from the 90s?

Bernd 01/06/2022 (Thu) 15:53:32 [Preview] No.46061 del
No, they are newly brought from the shops. I don't really collect retro things.

Dutch bernd Bernd 01/15/2022 (Sat) 00:20:57 [Preview] No.46115 del
I see

I liek retro stuff sometimes. Depends on what it is

Also, Orthodox Christmas just happened right?

Bernd 01/16/2022 (Sun) 11:48:50 [Preview] No.46132 del
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>Also, Orthodox Christmas just happened right?

Yes, it happens on 7th of January.

Compared to Western one, it is rarely involves gifts and public celebrations, it is more religious-style holiday. Most activity with gifts and fun happens at New Year eve before.

Bernd 01/19/2022 (Wed) 02:34:09 [Preview] No.46154 del
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thanks for sharing some knowledge here fren

Happy Easter, Bernd Bernd 04/17/2022 (Sun) 18:11:29 [Preview] No.47247 del
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Jesus will have been risen tomorrow (not sure what tense to use).

Bernd 04/20/2022 (Wed) 02:57:29 [Preview] No.47279 del

I forgot all about Easter this year

Bernd 04/20/2022 (Wed) 11:11:13 [Preview] No.47294 del
Hope Bernd had good Easter. Mine was rather awful cause I was sick since friday (and still am).

Bernd 04/27/2022 (Wed) 00:04:13 [Preview] No.47361 del
Apparently this was a couple of days ago in Mariupol

Dutch bernd Bernd 05/05/2022 (Thu) 02:30:04 [Preview] No.47428 del
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>Hope Bernd had good Easter. Mine was rather awful cause I was sick since friday (and still am).

Maybe next year will be better for you bernd

Kinda sad but pretty nice. Looks like something out of a movie

Bernd 05/07/2022 (Sat) 08:27:24 [Preview] No.47454 del
>Kinda sad but pretty nice
I think it's more like inspiring. They do their thing regardless.

Bernd 11/20/2022 (Sun) 07:40 [Preview] No.49229 del
Anyone here in the Christmas spirit yet? Much like Halloween, they may be doing away with classic traditions in the US. I've noticed for the past few years, they are only selling new fake trees with lights already attached onto them directly, they aren't removable lights. They're called pre-light trees. All you do is plug in the tree and you're done. Seems to take away from the holiday spirit, I thought there was joy to be found untangling Christmas lights.

If you haven't had your day ruined yet, try listening to William Shatner's Christmas album.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TfoKZfijM3Q [Embed]

Bernd 11/20/2022 (Sun) 15:48 [Preview] No.49231 del
We got snow yesterday, that was Christmasy. It melted since still too warm. But was enough to wash my face in it, preserving my handsomeness one more year (women should use the first snow more to be honest).
Dressing up the tree is a family activity which should be done together. Maybe these pre-light trees are the reflection of "single culture" so to speak, and the lack of time for important things (which essentially says these are unimportant). They offer what sells, but these products also generate the demand, so it's a self-generating cycle.

Bernd 11/21/2022 (Mon) 09:55 [Preview] No.49236 del
What are the benefits of someone wash their face with snow? Are you using the water once the snow has melted? I tried to find answers as to why snow is beneficial for your skin, but came up empty handed. The snow texture here is very dense and thick, it's not very fluffy, more coarse and rough, sort of like touching a Stucco wall. Admittedly, it's probably a better option to use snow/rain water compared to tap water (at least here). The city's tap water has had many issues with E. coli. The city water literally smells of feces sometimes, and yet they say the US isn't a third world country. If there is a good reason to wash your face with snow, maybe it's worth a try. If you reasoning to wash your face with it is to maintain a youthful look, I know of a few additional ways to maintain younger skin, the few ingredients I have in mind also help with any scarring, discoloration, and acne of the skin, if you'd be interested.

>They offer what sells, but these products also generate the demand, so it's a self-generating cycle.
Completely agree. These stores specifically seek out and order these lifeless Christmas trees, so they completely manufacture the supply and demand. It used to be custom in the US to go out and pick a real tree, now it's standard to have a fake tree, and now it's becoming the norm to have a fake tree with fake lights. I would bet that most American children growing up today will have no memories of putting up a fake Christmas tree, or even putting the lights on. These new fake trees are sold in 3 big chunks you place on top of each other, whereas old fake trees had many separate branches you would stick into the center of the "tree", which was a plastic pole. It was a lot more fun, took at least an hour to set up.

As a society, we chip away at a lot of "adorable" qualities, just for convenience sake. Take making your own personal webpage, for example. They had such character, and a memory was built upon making it. Though, it was inconvenient. So now most people simply have a carbon copy social media profile. It seems traditions are also moving this way. It's too much work to pick out a real tree, we'll get a fake one. Too much work to put up lights, just have them already stuck on the fake tree. To be fair, I do still see ornaments selling in stores here, and presents are not going away anytime soon, since Christmas is more of a time to celebrate our corporate overlords rather than to celebrate family or a religious event.

Bernd 11/21/2022 (Mon) 10:04 [Preview] No.49237 del
It's a Hungarian folk belief, that washing one's face with the first snow of the year gives/preserves beauty/youth. I use the snow as is, even if compacted a bit. I just gather a handful (two handfuls) and rub my face until all melts. It's a special feeling.
Tap water can be shit, but snow and rain might not be clean either.
Maybe the water in precipitation is soft, since probably doesn't have the mineral content of hard waters (which is gained via sipping through certain minerals underground, like limestone).
>old fake trees had many separate branches you would stick into the center of the "tree", which was a plastic pole.
Sounds like Lego.

Bernd 11/21/2022 (Mon) 11:18 [Preview] No.49238 del
I don't care much about Christmas any more but that is due to my current circumstances and my family, I don't want to spend time with them.

The west is increasingly losing it's religion, which robs Christmas of a large part of it's meaning and just leaves Santa Clause and things that are related to him. This can still be a magical time of year without religion but predominately it's magical for Children and for parents of those children through them.
So without these things it's more like a theme than anything else so it makes sense that people would put less effort into it.

Bernd 11/21/2022 (Mon) 16:56 [Preview] No.49242 del
How nice, I recall that ice is used as an anti-aging property. It makes the skin puffy, reducing wrinkles. Plus, any mositure is ideal for your skin. Dry skin is actually what leads to it aging, among other factors, like your diet. Perhaps you should try the snow-facial more often when there's snowfall.

>snow and rain might not be clean either.
I would guess that snow/rain from the sky may be cleaner than tap water, unless the water from the sky somehow gets polluted on it's way down. Tap typically has been polluted with a bunch of harmful things, actually there is a problem with high levels of estrogen getting in the tap water. It's because women on birth control urinate large amounts of estrogen into the sewer system, and it's hard to filter out when recycling that water. There's a lot of other strange things in tap water, which is why a lot of people stay away from it. It's good enough to wash your dishes with and shower, that's all.

Bernd 11/21/2022 (Mon) 17:05 [Preview] No.49243 del
The holidays are a rough time for a lot us, it forces us to acknowledge family/friends and whether they're with us or not, or to think about what made us separate. Whatever your situation may be, I hope you're comforted in where you're at now. The positive side is it seems like you're able to make a choice to not be around them, rather than forced into a situation you don't want to be in.

>The west is increasingly losing it's religion, which robs Christmas of a large part of it's meaning
Christianity sort of fit itself into "Christmas". Jesus was not born on December 25th, it's said he was supposedly born in late September or early October. The Christmas tree we put up was only a tradition that evolved from and was brought over from the Romans, Egyptians, and Pagans. They would decorate with greenery in order to celebrate the Ra, Saturnalia, Yule, essentially the winter solstice. Christmas is sort of an amalgamation of different ideas put together, and the result is what we have today. It seems to really originate from the winter solstice celebration. Found an article (https://www.ffungi.org/blog/the-influence-of-hallucinogenic-mushrooms-on-christmas) that sums up an interesting take on possible Christmas origins:

"In the ancestral communities of the Arctic, the winter solstice, which occurs on December 21st, was a ceremonial and festive date. Rituals were conducted that were guided by shamans who collected the Amanita muscaria mushroom, also called fly agaric, which has powerful hallucinogenic properties."

You can find the origins of common Christmas traits to be linked to these rituals. Amanita muscaria was an important part of this winter solstice celebration, and the mushroom has the classic Christmas colors, red and white. The article points out that this mushroom has a red cap sprinkled with white, just like Santa's cap. This quote explains the use of stockings being placed by fire/chimneys: "The toxicity of the Amanita muscaria when ingested is high, so before taking it they had to dehydrate them on the branches of the pines. A second possibility was to put them in socks and spread them over the fire, an image that closely resembles the Christmas tradition of hanging Christmas boots over chimneys."

Here's the possible origins of Christmas reindeer: "Additionally, the reindeer were of great help in reducing the toxicity of the mushroom, since they can eat Amanita muscaria without suffering the effects of its venom. Thus, the urine of the animals was used, since they had already filtered the harmful components of the mushroom, but which still maintained its hallucinogenic effects."

Santa Clause appearance may originate from these shaman, "Clothing is another similarity, since to honor Amanita muscaria the shamans dressed in red and white clothes, and to protect themselves from the snow they used large reindeer leather boots that over time turned black."

It seems we've lost the meaning of "Christmas" long ago. It's just been deeply rebranded and had Christianity slapped on top of a celebration with completely different origins. I always thought it was odd that Santa is an anagram for "Satan", especially for what's promoted as a Christian holiday. The winter solstice celebrates Saturn, and the occult is deeply intertwined with Saturn. Makes you wonder if celebrating the winter solstice (which is celebrating Saturn), is essentially occult worship? Hence the anagram, "Satan"? Just an odd thought.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 01:13 [Preview] No.49244 del
I know but it's still something that did turn into a Christian celebration and we lack the original pagan meaning as well.

Also those theories are completely ludicrous, people seem to be going to great links to try and link things like that to the past these days.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 01:15 [Preview] No.49245 del
Great lengths I mean not great links.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 04:43 [Preview] No.49247 del
Fair enough. What do you think Santa Claus, winter celebration, the Christmas Tree, wreaths around the door, reindeer, stockings, and yule logs have to do with the birth of Christ? Maybe it has ties to Christianity that I'm missing. It seems to be much more aligned to previous practices held by various cultures to celebrate the winter solstice. I'm open for opposing views, and to learn something new. These multiple practices held by previous cultures seem to align much more with the idea we call Christmas rather than the celebration of Christ.

It does feel more like Pagan traditions. Found this quote interesting, "The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom." -The World Book Encyclopedia

The Encyclopedia Americana says: "Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles." The Encyclopedia Britannica notes that "all work and business were suspended" during Saturnalia.

"Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity." One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of "placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays."​—Encyclopedia Britannica.

As memorable and enjoyable Christmas celebration is, it also seems to be discouraged according to the Bible. Not worshiping graven images, better to pray in a closet, etc.
Leviticus 26:1 "Do not make idols or set up carved images, or sacred pillars, or sculptured stones in your land so you may worship them. I am the LORD your God.
Matthew 6:5-6
"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

In the early days of the US, pagan celebration which then became related to Christmas was actually banned in MA by the Puritans. Christmas was akin to Saturnalia celebration, which often involved drinking, sex, gambling, among other degenerate activities. December 25th, even though it is not Christ's birthday, was chosen for this reason:
"Initially, December 25th, 326, was the chosen date for the observance of the birth of Christ. The purpose was to take the focus away from the revelry, and pagan rituals that were associated with the winter solstice celebration. Over time the pagan and Christian rituals became combined and December 25th became a time of drinking, partying, and sex. Once the holiday was outlawed, businesses were required to remain open and not close that date."

Just interesting information that most people may be oblivious to. If you enjoy Christmas celebration, do it, I do. Though I understand why some Christians oppose it, due to the origins and quotes.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 06:34 [Preview] No.49248 del
It's hard to say because a lot of these kinds of things could easily convergently evolve. There are end of year/midwinter celebrations in most cultures that exist or have existed.

Saint Nicholas was a saint known for giving three girls money so their father could get them married and they could avoid a life of poverty, he did not want it known that he gave these gifts so he threw a purse of money through the window of their house during the night and then repeated this on two more nights until each daughter could be married.
The Feast day of Saint Nicholas is the 6th of December and on that day to celebrate him it was customary to give children gifts but then the reformation hit.

>During the Middle Ages, often on the evening before his name day of 6 December, children were bestowed gifts in his honour. This date was earlier than the original day of gifts for the children, which moved in the course of the Reformation and its opposition to the veneration of saints in many countries on 24 and 25 December. The custom of gifting to children at Christmas was propagated by Martin Luther as an alternative to the previous very popular gift custom on St. Nicholas, to focus the interest of the children to Christ instead of the veneration of saints. Martin Luther first suggested the Christkind as the bringer of gifts. But Nicholas remained popular as gifts bearer for the people.

>Father Christmas dates back as far as 16th century in England during the reign of Henry VIII, when he was pictured as a large man in green or scarlet robes lined with fur.[15] He typified the spirit of good cheer at Christmas, bringing peace, joy, good food and wine and revelry.[15] As England no longer kept the feast day of Saint Nicholas on 6 December, the Father Christmas celebration was moved to 25 December to coincide with Christmas Day.[15] The Victorian revival of Christmas included Father Christmas as the emblem of good cheer.[16] His physical appearance was variable,[17] with one image being John Leech's illustration of the "Ghost of Christmas Present" in Charles Dickens's festive story A Christmas Carol (1843), as a great genial man in a green coat lined with fur who takes Scrooge through the bustling streets of London on the current Christmas morning, sprinkling the essence of Christmas onto the happy populace.


Many people, including Wikipedia attribute Odin as being the origin but I think there is just too much of a gap in time between the worship of Odin and the creation of Father Christmas and as you mention we also have a gap in early Christianity where Christmas wasn't celebrated, I am not saying it's impossible but I think it's far from certain.

Pine Trees, stockings, reindeer and such are to be expected. As it's a winter celebration people are going to pick wintery themes to associated with it. Most of England does not even receive snow on Christmas, a white Christmas is rare in England, but people like the cozyness of winter for the celebration so they create and spread wintery ascetics for the celebration, it's why Santa Claus comes from the north pole and not Anatolia. And naturally people are going to pick wintery things to go with a wintery celebration, such as pines as they are ever greens, reindeers which are from snowy lands and big fur lined jackets which radiate warmth and cozyness.
Much of these traditions build on themselves until we reach a point where they are fairly well established and set in stone, like for example my above quote mentions Father Christmas wearing green, that never happens now, it would be heresy.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 07:29 [Preview] No.49249 del
And also, I would not say Saturnalia was a degenerate celebration. That sounds like pop history. Sure all Festivals lend themselves to alcohol which lends itself to sex but Romans were not as loose as pop history would tell you, marriage outside of wedlock was still illegal, for citizens anyway, nobody cares what you do to slaves.

I know Cromwell banned Christmas but he also banned sport and theatre, that's what Puritans were like. I can easily see them calling it degenerate but it would have no bearing on whether or not Saturnalia was any more or less degenerate, most likely they were fairly similar.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 07:33 [Preview] No.49250 del
>marriage outside of wedlock.

.........I am dumb. I meant sex outside of wedlock.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 09:42 [Preview] No.49251 del
That's a good summary of the more recent iterations of Santa, and it seems to confirm that the gift giving tradition comes from another origin (Saint nick > Christ), and the story of "The three wise men gave gifts so now we will give gifts", fit in as an excuse to bring the gift giving tradition over, as it seems. Saturnalia included gift-giving as a staple, it was an odd celebration. It included both degenerate activities, along with honorable ones, such as gift giving, dressing up in nice clothes, etc. Maybe the Saint Nick story took the themes of gift giving from Saturnalia? As the winter solstice celebrations and Saturnalia celebration pre-dated Saint Nick. It seems too coincidental to pick a time many cultures celebrated the winter solstice as the celebration of the saints, but who knows. Looking into this.

However, I do continue to think there is some truth in the past culture's practices influencing the Christmas we have today. The clear correlation of Saint Nick's influence on the Santa character is obvious. So obvious that people often refer to Santa as "Old Saint Nick". However, for origins which are further removed though still just as influential or perhaps even formative, it can be harder for some hardliner Christians to admit. Of course I refer to the influence from Saturnalia or winter solstice celebrations. Insofar as the Saint Nick story goes, it doesn't seem to explain the appearance of decorating the house with trees specifically being brought indoors, hanging stockings by the fire, the use of flying with reindeer. At most, it can answer Santa bearing gifts for children, but even then there are still possible ties to Saturnalia (and winter solstice celebrations, as they include gift giving). I think the reindeer could very much be drawn from the shaman living in the North Pole who fed the reindeer Amanita muscaria during the celebration of the winter solstice, perhaps giving the reindeer a sense of "flying"? (If interested, this article mentioned earlier goes into further detail: https://www.ffungi.org/blog/the-influence-of-hallucinogenic-mushrooms-on-christmas ). This is the only mention I can find of reindeer having significance in the "Christmas" lore.

I would agree that some themes of Christmas just fall hand in hand with it being winter, maybe for something like snow or pine cones. However, I would bet most Christian areas do not have reindeer nearby, so it's strange they are heavily represented. Reindeer are native to Arctic areas, such as the areas the shaman would inhabit. There are a number of very odd and specific Christmas objects/ideas that cannot be hand-waved away. Why do we bring a tree inside our house? Why make wreaths? Why decorate with lights? Why hang stockings by a fire? Why put ornaments on a tree? Why does Santa ride specifically with magical flying reindeer? These are very specific themes that in no way originate from Christianity or from what I can find, any Christian practice. Why is it accepted as a Christian celebration? It doesn't really make sense. Christians did not traditionally celebrate birthdays, pagans did. Jesus' birth was not in December, so it's strange to place a holiday dedicated to his birth right during the winter solstice. Perhaps my gripe is that it has been presented as factual that Christ was born December 25th, we celebrate his birthday on this day. The odd quirks that come with Christmas seem to go largely ignored, but promoted in our culture as fact. It could all just be originating from the Saint Nick story, but the above seems too coincidental for that to be the start.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 09:42 [Preview] No.49252 del
Saturnalia was a celebration to break norms, it was mischief and celebration wrapped into one. While there were degenerate acts promoted during this celebration such as drinking, gambling, sex, there were also more pure acts such as feasts, exchanging gifts, decorating. Puritans were probably trying to make the effort to focus on honoring Christ, rather than the rowdy celebrations which took place and carried over from Saturnalia. Christmas was banned in many different regions of the world due to it getting too out of hand; I think these chaotic celebrations were essentially Saturnalia celebrations, seeing as it was a celebration of great rowdiness.

Found this interesting fact about Romans celebrating Saturnalia, and it might shed light on why we decorate trees with ornaments.
"Citizens decked their halls with boughs of greenery, and even hung small tin ornaments on bushes and trees. Bands of naked revelers often roamed the streets, singing and carousing, as a sort of naughty precursor to today's Christmas caroling tradition."

If you think this stuff is interesting, wait until I tell you the Easter Bunny and Easter eggs have nothing to do with the resurrection of Christ kek

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 10:33 [Preview] No.49253 del
Gift giving is hardy rare. Just look at our own celebrations, we give gifts for birthdays, fathers day, mothers day, valentines day and Easter and then we give gifts to celebrate things that are not even days, like giving the US a statue of a woman to celebrate their independence. Gift giving is a celebratory act.

>It doesn't seem to explain the appearance of decorating the house with trees specifically being brought indoors, hanging stockings by the fire, the use of flying with reindeer.

People like to decorate things particularly in festive seasons, adding whatever greenery remains to your house would be a good way to liven it up as well. Christmas trees again seem to date to around the same time Father Christmas does.

>Modern Christmas trees originated during the Renaissance in early modern Germany. Its 16th-century origins are sometimes associated with Protestant Christian reformer Martin Luther, who is said to have first added lighted candles to an evergreen tree.[18][19][20]

>The earliest known firmly dated representation of a Christmas tree is on the keystone sculpture of a private home in Turckheim, Alsace (then part of Germany, today France), with the date 1576.[21]

>Modern Christmas trees have been related to the "tree of paradise" of medieval mystery plays that were given on 24 December, the commemoration and name day of Adam and Eve in various countries. In such plays, a tree decorated with apples (to represent the forbidden fruit) and wafers (to represent the Eucharist and redemption) was used as a setting for the play. Like the Christmas crib, the Paradise tree was later placed in homes. The apples were replaced by round objects such as shiny red balls.[12][13][22][23][24][25]

>At the end of the Middle Ages, an early predecessor appears referred in the 15th century Regiment of the Cistercian Alcobaça Monastery in Portugal. The Regiment of the local high-Sacristans of the Cistercian Order refers to what may be considered the oldest references to the Christmas tree: "Note on how to put the Christmas branch, scilicet: On the Christmas eve, you will look for a large Branch of green laurel, and you shall reap many red oranges, and place them on the branches that come of the laurel, specifically as you have seen, and in every orange you shall put a candle, and hang the Branch by a rope in the pole, which shall be by the candle of the high altar."


Again, there is too much time between any pagan traditions an the traditions we have for Christmas to make any link all that likely.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 10:34 [Preview] No.49254 del
My post was too long so it had to be split.

As for stockings.


There is some information here, basically it's possibly because some of the money Saint Nicholas threw to those girls landed in stocking. As for pagan origin.

>An unsubstantiated claim is that the Christmas stocking custom derived from the Germanic/Scandinavian figure Odin. According to Phyllis Siefker, children would place their boots, filled with carrots, straw, or sugar, near the chimney for Odin's flying horse, Sleipnir, to eat. Odin would reward those children for their kindness by replacing Sleipnir's food with gifts or candy.[8] This practice, she claims, survived in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands after the adoption of Christianity and became associated with Saint Nicholas as a result of the process of Christianization. This claim is doubtful as there are no records of stocking filling practices related to Odin until there is a merging of St. Nicholas with Odin. St. Nicholas had an earlier merging with the Grandmother cult in Bari, Italy where the grandmother would put gifts in stockings. This merged St. Nicholas would later travel north and merge with the Odin cults.[9]

As I said, reindeers are snowy wintery animals, Santa is a snowy wintery guy, it makes sense to pair them together and in order for somebody to be able to deliver so many presents at once he would have to be able to fly, it's not an odd conclusion to reach. However, Wikipedia has something on this as well and apparently the first reference to a Christmas reindeer is from 1821. Well and truly removed form any possible pagan origin.


The idea of reindeers in Christmas coming from Finnish shamans giving reindeer mushrooms and then drinking their urine is absurd, as I said before it's an example of people taking great leaps to link things to substance use. I am not going to read that link as the quotes you have given tell me more than enough about what kind of quality that article will be of.

>I would bet most Christian areas do not have reindeer nearby, so it's strange they are heavily represented. Reindeer are native to Arctic areas,

That's the point, it's an exotic wintery, boreal wonderland, filled with pines and reindeer where Santa lives. It's the perfect embodiment of a winter figure in a winter celebration, you can't get more wintery than that. And Finish Shamans don't even relate to our Pagan origins anyway, Finns aren't even Indo-European.

What degenerate sex acts were promoted? Naked drunks singing in the streets? Was that even promoted or just par for the course? I would hardly say that's too different from Christmas or new years. It's just what celebrations are, people drink and they are noisy and they do dumb things.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 10:38 [Preview] No.49255 del
>Perhaps you should try the snow-facial more often
I shouldn't. Would turn so butifel women couldn't handle it anymore, and I'd just end up lynched by a mob of angry husbands.

I'll read the rest of all the srs discussion above, and reply, I can already tell there are some things to note.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 11:12 [Preview] No.49256 del
My question is, why in the first place did more recent Christian celebrations choose to put a tree in their house? The Wikipedia article mentions "modern Christmas trees", but it does not look further back into history as to where this evolved from. They have many parallels to past practices, trees, ornaments, etc. Maybe we see differently on this matter, it it either hearsay or coincidental to you, which is fine. I tend to find a lot of connections in these things.

Don't be so sure of yourself. Women are attracted to signs of a male's survival, wrinkles and gruffness fall into this category. Having a smooth, young, baby face is only what 13 year old girls who cream over k-pop idols find attractive. Unless you like 13 year old girls, which to my understanding is very customary in Hungary, skip the snow. Just kidding.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 11:55 [Preview] No.49257 del
The article does look back but it seems there just isn't much to look back at.

>Sources have offered a connection between the first documented Christmas trees in Alsace around 1600 and pre-Christian traditions. For example, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "The use of evergreen trees, wreaths, and garlands to symbolize eternal life was a custom of the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Hebrews. Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmas time."[14]

>During the Roman mid-winter festival of Saturnalia, houses were decorated with wreaths of evergreen plants, along with other antecedent customs now associated with Christmas.[15]

>Contemporary celebration of the Christmas tree is frequently traced to the symbolism of trees in pre-Christian winter rites, wherein Viking and Saxon worshiped trees.[15] The story of Saint Boniface cutting down Donar's Oak illustrates the pagan practices in 8th century among the Germans. A later folk version of the story adds the detail that an evergreen tree grew in place of the felled oak, telling them about how its triangular shape reminds humanity of the Trinity and how it points to heaven.

We can see here that greenery as a symbolic decoration is cross cultural. The Scandinavian part is possible but again I don't see it being that likely.
Donar's Oak is an Oak and really the only thing it has in common with a Christmas tree is that they are both trees.

I think it's just that people like putting greenery in their house to liven it up in winter.

I think different kinds of women are attracted to different things, but generally women are more attracted to things that infer status in the upbringing they are from. Women that grow up among gruff men might be attracted to that, but generally most women don't seem to. In fact it seems to be men that are more attracted to gruff men than women.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 12:39 [Preview] No.49259 del
From the article you linked;
> Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmas time."[14]
>During the Roman mid-winter festival of Saturnalia, houses were decorated with wreaths of evergreen plants, along with other antecedent customs now associated with Christmas.[15]
I would say this supports my theory of Christmas trees originating from celebrations of Saturnalia and Paganism being more than simply a coincidence. In regards to "Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity", the custom was kept in order to easily convert more pagans to Christianity, which is why we still practice this today.

>I think different kinds of women are attracted to different things
Apologies for getting graphic, but I recall a funny story about the top searched porn terms among women being something like, "hairy daddy". I agree, women are attracted to different things, though I would imagine more women enjoy physical features that represent masculinity, just as a man enjoys sign of a woman's fertility. Things like facial hair or broad shoulders come to mind. A woman may want a man who is capable of protecting her and her family, so she may find strong signs of masculinity attractive. Similar to how a man may find wide childbearing hips attractive. It's all really subjective, I'm sure some women strongly dislike facial hair, or other masculine male traits. It also depends on the culture she was brought up in. In America it is commonplace for a man to shave his face or have his foreskin removed as an infant, and most women in America grow up familiar with these traits. This may be why some American women dislike facial hair or foreskin, it's not normal to them.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 13:29 [Preview] No.49260 del
We don't worship Christmas trees, they don't have anything in common with Donars' Oak.
If there were a connection, I could only see it being due to Scandinavians keeping alive an originally pagan tradition of decorative greenery(if that's even true), that being passed on to Germany and then that evolving from greenery to trees. But this is still speculative.

>but I recall a funny story about the top searched porn terms among women being something like, "hairy daddy"

It sounds like these 'women' were actually trannies, or it's just a story. Though most women don't enjoy Porn in general and it's possible that as those who do would be a strange minority they would have strange minority tastes.
If you look at 2d romance media made by women and aimed at women, the men are thin, athletic, stylish, somewhat feminine.
But conversely, if you look at 2d gay media made by men and aimed at men, both western and eastern, the men are fairly often comically huge, hairy bears of men, it's ridiculous how manly they make them. I think you see some of that in gay porn as well, like in the gay porn memes that you see floating around the internet.

I think that we as men, assume that women want strong, bear like men, who can fight and protect people because many of us want to be like. It's our ideal man that we put forward onto them.
Yes, women probably do want a man that could protect them, but historically how have we done that? We have done it through skill of arms and numbers not brute strength. If we are looking at what a primal woman would see as attractive, it would probably be a lean and fit man, who can wield a spear with skill and has endurance to hunt and provide for her as well as the social skills to enable him to get others to help him and you could say that is why they value status so much, status and wealth infer the ability to provide, and even protect, even in primitive tribes it's probably safest to marry the tribal head whether he is the strongest warrior or not. I think they would also want a man that was more feminine, they might find men too large and masculine to be intimidating, they also want men that they can trust to care for their children(and them) and even excessive personal grooming aside from making people look and smell better probably also reduced chances of disease.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 14:44 [Preview] No.49261 del
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I quoted the two mentioning everything but the Donars Oak. We have different perspectives, but it was still interesting to learn much about the practices of many different cultures during Christmas/winter solstice/Saturnalia, etc.

>Though most women don't enjoy Porn in general
You would be surprised, a lot of women do watch porn. Though the number probably isn't as high as men, and some women probably prefer reading erotic books as men do not, a large majority of women I've talked to do indulge in porn. It's readily available, free, and can suit most desires a woman wants, if she finds looking at physical sexual acts sexually arousing. I'm not sure why a female finding a hairy man is akin to being a gay male or tranny. Male traits are for a female to enjoy.

Agreed that the "bear" archetype is very rampant with gays, however, it's a misconception that what makes a male masculine is muscles alone. Masculinity surpasses muscles, there are plenty of other masculine traits. I wasn't trying to refer to bulked up men (who often use steroids while maintaining the semi "soft look"). I meant masculine men who have signs of survival and development, broad shoulders/narrow hips, facial hair, a bit older, thus meaning more experienced in life and a sign of survival. There can be a stark difference between a 20 year old zoomer kid who is still developing and learning how to function in the world versus and a 45 year old man who has developed and has built up masculine traits his whole life and can easily support a younger female. Parts of this involves attraction to looks, and part of it involved attraction to masculine qualities, such as the ability to confidently provide the female with necessities. Masculinity surpasses muscles, it can come in many forms, as you mentioned, even a lean/fit man.

Point being, I think a lot of women would prefer a man with masculine traits rather than soft feminine traits. Who knows though, a lot of women also enjoy pegging men these days, so clearly some women enjoy men with overly feminine traits. It's fairly subjective, but logically signs of masculinity and development would be most attractive for a female in terms of procreation. A man who is older has survived and must have good genetics. A man can still be masculine without being over the top as picrel (No, I didn't have that readily saved on my computer). That man looks a bit ridiculous and is clearly a homosexual. As long as the man a woman is with is not physically violent to her, she may find a larger man to be comforting in protecting her. Though, masculinity is much more than being large or muscled up. It includes how he carries himself, confidence, his skills, interests. In the end, looks don't matter as much as a personality does.

If you believe most women don't watch porn, which in my experience is absolutely not the case, then surely you've noticed that women tend to read "romance" novels, AKA smutty rape fantasies. Usually on the covers you will find a muscular pirate, business magnate, soldier, cowboys, etc. embracing a small framed woman. These books usually feature an intense power dynamic, where male dominance is on full display. If you don't believe me, look at the sales statistics for 50 Shades of Gray. Women loved it and it was essentially some rich guy beating up a chick with his dick, rape and power dynamic is in the entire book. Women like a lot of what you wouldn't expect, and honestly, some of the stuff they're into is strange. I don't understand the draw to a rape fantasy, but it is very popular among women. It's the draw to be dominated, while protected, by a masculine man. Not saying this is a good thing, but it is what it is.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 15:17 [Preview] No.49262 del
Women aren't geared the same way as men are. You may find women that do watch porn but that is anecdotal and you are on imageboard, they probably are not normal women. And also women will often tell you what they think you want hear.

I agree that masculinity can have many aspects(like the Greeks viewing small penises as masculine).
I don't think signs of survival mean much, you can survive and achieve nothing but you can also achieve a lot at a young age.

Yes, women are more likely to read erotic novels, that's also partly related to the way they are geared, they are not attracted so much to looks but to status and behaviour, they are attracted to looks if they infer status but that isn't needed in a book.
Those books you posted are more what I was referring to what they are attracted too, they are lean, clean shaven, they have neat hair cuts, many of them are in suits or period costumes. And also they are all a similar age to the women in those covers which goes against your age theory.

It's not rape if somebody wants it. I don't think that's what they are actually about either, the covers certainly don't give that impression. I'm not going to read any of them just to argue with you about this though, I am not going to read 50 shades of gray for that reason either. Again I think this is something that many men want to believe that is not actually true(well certainly taken literally it by definition cannot be true).
Power dynamics I can see in some cases, because that relates to status as well.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 15:32 [Preview] No.49263 del
Why do I do this.....

So I looked up 50 shades of gray on Wikipedia just to see what it was actually about. It seems it's about a rich guy tring to hire a girl for BDSM reasons and her not being comfortable or delaying it or something. This is the ending for the section on plot. It does not seem like it was something that the protagonist liked.

>The tension between Ana and Christian eventually comes to a head after Ana asks Christian to punish her in order to show her how extreme a BDSM relationship with him could be. Christian fulfills Ana's request, beating her with a belt. Ana realizes they are incompatible. Devastated, she breaks up with Christian.

Also it seems like it sold well but wasn't well received by critics. Weird, maybe it's a meme book or only idiots like it but there are a lot of idiots.

>It has received mixed to negative reviews, as most critics noted the poor literary qualities of the work. Salman Rushdie said about the book: "I've never read anything so badly written that got published. It made Twilight look like War and Peace."[22] Maureen Dowd described the book in The New York Times as being written "like a Brontë devoid of talent," and said it was "dull and poorly written."[23] Jesse Kornbluth of The Huffington Post said: "As a reading experience, Fifty Shades ... is a sad joke, puny of plot".[24]

>Princeton professor April Alliston wrote, "Though no literary masterpiece, Fifty Shades is more than parasitic fan fiction based on the recent Twilight vampire series."[25] Entertainment Weekly writer Lisa Schwarzbaum gave the book a "B+" rating and praised it for being "in a class by itself."[26] British author Jenny Colgan in The Guardian wrote "It is jolly, eminently readable and as sweet and safe as BDSM (bondage, discipline, sadism and masochism) erotica can be without contravening the trade descriptions act" and also praised the book for being "more enjoyable" than other "literary erotic books".[27] The Daily Telegraph noted that the book was "the definition of a page-turner", noting that the book was both "troubling and intriguing".[28] A reviewer for the Ledger-Enquirer described the book as guilty fun and escapism, and that it "also touches on one aspect of female existence [female submission]. And acknowledging that fact – maybe even appreciating it – shouldn't be a cause for guilt."[29] The New Zealand Herald stated that the book "will win no prizes for its prose" and that "there are some exceedingly awful descriptions," although it was also an easy read; "(If you only) can suspend your disbelief and your desire to – if you'll pardon the expression – slap the heroine for having so little self respect, you might enjoy it."[30] The Columbus Dispatch stated that, "Despite the clunky prose, James does cause one to turn the page."[31] Metro News Canada wrote that "suffering through 500 pages of this heroine's inner dialogue was torturous, and not in the intended, sexy kind of way".[32] Jessica Reaves, of the Chicago Tribune, wrote that the "book's source material isn't great literature", noting that the novel is "sprinkled liberally and repeatedly with asinine phrases", and described it as "depressing".[33]

>The book garnered some accolades. In December 2012, it won both "Popular Fiction" and "Book of the Year" categories in the UK National Book Awards.[34][35] In that same month, Publishers Weekly named E. L. James the 'Publishing Person of the Year', a decision whose criticism in the LA Times and the New York Daily News was referred to by and summarised in The Christian Science Monitor.[36] Earlier, in April 2012, when E. L. James was listed as one of Time magazine's "100 Most Influential People in the World",[37] Richard Lawson of The Atlantic Wire criticised her inclusion due to the trilogy's fan fiction beginnings.[38]

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 16:26 [Preview] No.49264 del
Anytime porno has been brought up, it served no benefit to the woman to admit to watching porn other than interesting conversation. Such as, "do you watch it?" followed by a yes or no, then conversation moves on. Women and men aren't as different as you may think when it comes to sexuality, but again, maybe it's redundant to discuss this. This was just my personal experience, women definitely do watch pornography and many different genres. A woman who is geared towards emotional bond to satisfy her sexual needs may turn to books, while a woman who just wants to "get one and done" may watch porn. We are all human, and though there are differences, humans also do enjoy touching their genitals. Women (though not all) do get aroused by watching others get sexual pleasure, perhaps it's not something you've had the opportunity to discuss with women, so I will leave it as my personal experience.

Most of the men in the covers do seem to be the traditional "hunk", and a lot of them are clean cut to fit that image. One of the most famous models for these covers was Fabio. He's the guy who killed a bird with his head when riding a roller coaster, and also did some "I can't believe it's not butter" commercials. He had long wavy hair, and long hair is definitely a theme among these romance stories. I'm not sure if this is a preference by women or perhaps inspiration from Conan, but it must work since the man was a sex icon.

I will say that for centuries past it has been the norm to have a larger age difference between men and women. It's always been of benefit for a woman to be with an older male, as stated earlier, he has much more experience than a younger man to take care of her. This is why it's traditional for an older man to marry a young girl, why the father hands off the bride to the groom. Men are to protect women, and it's difficult for a young man of her same age to do so, he has had no additional time to build up his experience to handle the responsibility of supporting a family. Things are different now, more and more we see women being heavily outspoken against age gaps (by social conditioning), so societally things are shifting away from dating/marrying outside of a few years of your age range. I think from a biological perspective, women naturally are attracted to signs of male fertility/development, older age, and survival. Preference and culture can influence or shift this, as attraction is subjective.

>It's not rape if somebody wants it.
While I agree, there are plenty of women who have rape fantasies, or an intense power dynamic where she is being overpowered greatly. So while it may not be rape as in a woman walking down an alleyway gets attacked, some women do crave such a scenario. The covers give an embracing feeling, but often the books contents are that of a powerless woman being dominated by a male. Of course I wouldn't encourage you to read this just for this conversation, but if you have a chat with females who indulge in this media, you will learn just how interesting the female mind is. The females in these books are powerless and always being coddled or protected or dominated. Something you wouldn't expect a woman likes, or maybe it is.

In regards to the 50 Shades of Gray book, it was "the fastest-selling novel of all time that isn't Harry Potter". At the time of it's release, I couldn't hear the end of it, people loved it or hated it. While critics are typically harsh with reviews, and perhaps it received poor or mixed reviews from readers, the supply and demand doesn't lie. It's accepted that the book was essentially a rape fantasy written in form of an erotica, and it sold very well.

I don't want to shift this conversation so far from the topic of this thread, Christmas. Perhaps we can work in some Christmas themes into the discussion of women's preferences? For example, all a girl wants Christmas is a hunk.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 21:41 [Preview] No.49266 del
Xmas BDSM discussion.

Bernd 11/22/2022 (Tue) 21:44 [Preview] No.49267 del
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Let's make this the forgotten reaction image.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 00:58 [Preview] No.49269 del
As I said, this is anecdotal, you are an image boarder and women often tell men what they think they want to hear, what you just said fits that perfectly. It's something I have discussed with women, but again, that's anecdotal.

Only one of the men in those images has long hair... Though sure some women may like it.

It varies by culture, in societies where women don't matter like the middle east, yes there can be a huge age difference but that's because they don't matter and it's her father that decides who she marries and eh does not care if she wants it or not. Historically in the west men were on average about 2-4 years older, though that was higher in Italy. That's still kind of similar to today I feel, I would say that most marriages these days have the men about 0-7 years older but I have not seen statistics for it, a slightly older man is more likely to have acquired more status and wealth than a younger one and this explains it.

Again, you are an imageboarder so likely to come across weird women and what you say is anecdotal, it's certainly not the kind of fantasy any woman I have know has. It's also not the impression the covers of these stories gives in any way but as I said I am not going to read them all just to prove you wrong.

>It's accepted that the book was essentially a rape fantasy written in form of an erotica, and it sold very well.

The wiki article disagrees and so does the synonymous of the plot.
Such as what I already quoted.

>The tension between Ana and Christian eventually comes to a head after Ana asks Christian to punish her in order to show her how extreme a BDSM relationship with him could be. Christian fulfills Ana's request, beating her with a belt. Ana realizes they are incompatible. Devastated, she breaks up with Christian.

>Ana realizes they are incompatible
>she breaks up with Christian

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 06:49 [Preview] No.49270 del
>As I said, this is anecdotal
Aren't all stories or conversations anecdotal? At what point does it become fact or general consensus? If anything, a woman would be more obligated to answer "no" to the question, because porn consumption is seem as dirty or pathetic. It seems fairly normal to consume it now, seeing as the internet is all something most people have very easy access to these days, such as cell phones.

>Again, you are an imageboarder so likely to come across weird women and what you say is anecdotal
I haven't conversed with women about theses matters over imageboards, it's been real life conversations. I have a hard time believing that every single woman I talked to was lying, or I somehow came across only oddballs, but there really is no benefit to them lying. Porn consumption is viewed as taboo, and if anything a woman in inclined to deny watching it to appease a man.

>Only one of the men in those images has long hair... Though sure some women may like it.
Romantic book covers of the 80-'s-90's featured many men with a large build and long hair, likely because men having longer hair was popular in the 70's-90's. Now the image has changed to a swarthy man, perhaps business man type image. They seem to follow current trends.

>The wiki article disagrees and so does the synopsis of the plot.
Even though the book ends with the female breaking off the relationship, that doesn't override that the majority of the book focuses on a sexually erotic story of a man raping and dominating a woman the entire story. You can read passages online on how these scenes are described, pretty graphic stuff with an "erotic" err brought in by the female, lusting for the man who is sexually abusive to her; it isn't written as an empowering female who breaks free from her captor, it's an erotic story.

The sales of this book were one of the best in recent times, sales don't lie. The series sold 100+ million copies worldwide, topping up there with best-seller works like Twilight and Harry Potter, and even had a movie made after the series. Take a look at the weird "bully romance" books these chicks like. The same themes of being dominated or humiliated by a male, yet finding it sexually appealing. Sort of ties back to the whole "bad boy" trope we see in the media. https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/bully-romance

Browse the romantic genre at any book store and you won't have to search far to find many stories of a male greatly dominating a woman, her getting treated poorly, but she justifies it and enjoys it. I'm not saying every woman enjoys such a story, but these types of stories (this one seems more graphic comparatively), are essentially what make up a big portion of the romantic section for the female audience.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 06:51 [Preview] No.49271 del
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All Christmas presents are naughty
>oh yeah baby unwrap me out of this bondage

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 07:17 [Preview] No.49272 del
>image boarder
>questions anecdotal evidence
>approves authority (wikipedia)

>Aren't all stories or conversations anecdotal? At what point does it become fact or general consensus?
Anecdotal evidence is still evidence, but not something to build generalizations on. For that a statistically significant sample is needed. Let's say a questionnaire filled by 1000-2000 verified women from all age groups and various backgrounds, etc. etc. might be suitable for current discussion.
I wonder if those pornsite and searchword data are reliable. I saw Bernd raising the problem that they might be trannies, however if high enough number, it's impossible to have that many of those. Also these things needs registrations where they ask the user's sex/gender, no? I can imagine clueless normie women registering on porn sites (I know, my imagination isn't statistically significant).
I just wanted to interject for a moment, don't let me lead the discussion to other tracks.

Wrapping (not unwrapping) sounds more like it.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 07:27 [Preview] No.49273 del
That's true, so I decided to look for studies done on it. It's annoying as none of them gave me full access but what can you do? Anyway.

>Participants included 813 university students (500 women; M age = 20 years) recruited from six college sites across the United States. Participants completed online questionnaires regarding their acceptance and use of pornography, as well as their sexual values and activity, substance use, and family formation values. Results revealed that roughly two thirds (67% ) of young men and one half (49%) of young women agree that viewing pornography is acceptable, whereas nearly 9 out of 10 (87%) young men and nearly one third (31%) of young women reported using pornography. Results also revealed associations between pornography acceptance and use and emerging adults' risky sexual attitudes and behaviors, substance use patterns, and nonmarital cohabitation values.


>Data from 305 confidential anonymous 50-item questionnaires on pornography were completed by students at East Carolina University and analyzed to provide the basis for this study. Over 90 percent (92.4%) reported ever having looked at pornography with over forty percent (43.1%) reporting doing so between one and two times a week. Significant gender differences included that men viewed pornography more than women, that men approved of pornography more than women, that women who viewed pornography were viewed as "loose," that women were more threatened by pornography than men and that women were more likely to agree that looking at pornography was OK if one was not fantasizing about others while doing so. Limitations and implications of the data are suggested.

>Pornography (defined here as sexually explicit material designed to arouse)


>this study assessed pornography consumption, predictors, and correlates using nationally representative data gathered from U.S. women between 1973 and 2010 (N = 18,225). Women who were younger, less religious, and non-White were more likely to consume pornography. Women who consumed pornography had more positive attitudes toward extramarital sex, adult premarital sex, and teenage sex. Women who consumed pornography also had more sexual partners in the prior year, prior 5 years, and were more likely to have engaged in extramarital sex and paid sex. Consistent with Wright’s (2011a) acquisition, activation, application model of mass media sexual socialization and the theorizing of Linz and Malamuth (1993), liberal–conservative ideology moderated the association between pornography exposure and sexual behavior. Specifically, the positive association between pornography exposure and women’s recent sexual behavior was strongest for the most liberal women and weakest for the most conservative women. Cultural commentators and some academics argue that technological advances have resulted in a steady increase in the percentage of individuals who consume pornography. Little support was found for this assertion among U.S. women.


So yes, women do view porn less and the women that do view porn are weird. It would be interesting to dive deeper into these studies but all I can access are the abstracts. I also suspect that the women who do view it probably view it a lot less than the men that do.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 07:57 [Preview] No.49275 del
>I haven't conversed with women about theses matters over imageboards, it's been real life conversations. I have a hard time believing that every single woman I talked to was lying, or I somehow came across only oddballs, but there really is no benefit to them lying. Porn consumption is viewed as taboo, and if anything a woman in inclined to deny watching it to appease a man.

That's what women do, lie or mislead, well all people do really. Many women may think that telling somebody they view porn makes them more sexually attractive and seem more adventurous and depending on their social background and the man they are talking to they may think this will be attractive to them.

>Romantic book covers of the 80-'s-90's featured many men with a large build and long hair, likely because men having longer hair was popular in the 70's-90's. Now the image has changed to a swarthy man, perhaps business man type image. They seem to follow current trends.

Maybe but we are not looking at them and you did not post any, though I did not post any of the 2d ones I was talking about either.

>Even though the book ends with the female breaking off the relationship, that doesn't override that the majority of the book focuses on a sexually erotic story of a man raping and dominating a woman the entire story. You can read passages online on how these scenes are described, pretty graphic stuff with an "erotic" err brought in by the female, lusting for the man who is sexually abusive to her; it isn't written as an empowering female who breaks free from her captor, it's an erotic story.

Again, what Wikipedia says disagrees, even the section on controversy, most of that seems to be over BDSM and the fear that people reading it will try to do it themselves.

>At the beginning of the media hype, Dr. Drew and sexologist Logan Levkoff discussed on The Today Show[50] whether the book perpetuated violence against women; Levkoff said that while that is an important subject, this trilogy had nothing to do with it – this was a book about a consensual relationship. Dr. Drew commented that the book was "horribly written" in addition to being "disturbing" but stated that "if the book enhances women's real-life sex lives and intimacy, so be it."

Funnily enough it also says that women that read the book were weird.

>A second study in 2014 was conducted to examine the health of women who had read the series, compared with a control group that had never read any part of the novels. The results showed a correlation between having read at least the first book and exhibiting signs of an eating disorder, having romantic partners that were emotionally abusive and/or engaged in stalking behavior, engaging in binge drinking in the last month, and having 5 or more sexual partners before age 24.


Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 07:58 [Preview] No.49276 del
As for Bully Romance, it's hard to say because you would actually have to read it to see if it was bullying and not something like the beauty and the beast but also, while that tells us that such books are made it tells me nothing else(and trust me, I already know that whatever weird genre you could think of already exist and has more people that would think who like it). It does not tell me how popular this genre is in proportion to romance as a whole, I tried to look at romance as a whole on Good reads but it would not let me, it wanted me to sigh in through google. So I used Amazon instead.

The top selling books don't seem to be about bullying at all.


Number 1 is about a married woman meeting an her firs love again.

Number 2 is about a weeding planner who has a one night stand with a former Navy seal that turns out to be the father of her ex and her ex is the groom in a wedding she has to plan. Yes weird and convoluted but many of them seem to be.

And this is number 3, I decided to post the entire thing becuase of how weird it is.

>Talamh is a land of green hills, high mountains, deep forests, and seas, where magicks thrive. But portals allow for passage in and out—and ultimately, each must choose their place, and choose between good and evil, war and peace, life and death…
>Breen Siobhan Kelly grew up in the world of Man and was once unaware of her true nature. Now she is in Talamh, trying to heal after a terrible battle and heartbreaking losses. Her grandfather, the dark god Odran, has been defeated in his attempt to rule over Talamh, and over Breen—for now.
>With the enemy cast out and the portal sealed, this is a time to rest and to prepare. Breen spreads her wings and realizes a power she’s never experienced before. It’s also a time for celebrations—of her first Christmas in both Talamh and Ireland, of solstice and weddings and births—and daring to find joy again in the wake of sorrow. She rededicates herself to writing her stories, and when his duties as taoiseach permit, she is together with Keegan, who has trained her as a warrior and whom she has grown to love.
>It’s Keegan who’s at her side when the enemy’s witches, traitorous and power-mad, appear to her in her sleep, practicing black magick, sacrificing the innocent, and plotting a brutal destruction for Breen. And soon, united with him and with all of Talamh, she will seek out those in desperate need of rescue, and confront the darkness with every weapon she has: her sword, her magicks—and her courage…

I stopped at 3.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 07:59 [Preview] No.49277 del
Thanks, that will come in handy for the future, but I already wrote far too much for now. I can't be bothered going back to those studies.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 08:25 [Preview] No.49279 del
>I wonder if those pornsite and searchword data are reliable.
I tend to doubt it, I just remember it was claimed that "hairy daddy" was searched most by women and found it funny. Some of the search terms seem too specific to be top searched.

I saw one saying "Mormon" was the top search in Utah (where most Mormons reside), which seems fabricated. It would be more believable if it was something such as, "blonde bimbo". Or Louisiana's top search being "naked women", which is redundant for a porn website. Louisiana is in the south, and the stereotype is that they're inbred stupid hicks. Maybe it's fabricated, who knows?

Apparently "ebony" ranks above Latina and Asians, which I find very hard to believe. Anecdotal, but a number of people I've talked to admit they don't really find black women attractive. I find it funny, somehow I am able to get a lot of interesting answers out of people, you just ask the questions nobody else asks and they typically oblige.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 08:27 [Preview] No.49280 del
This essentially sums up what I first stated >>49261. Women do watch porn, not in as high of numbers as men.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 14:37 [Preview] No.49287 del
Its November so no. Advent time in liturgical calendar starts at 1st December. The crazy merchants starts their advertisement right after All Saints Day/Halloween but I learned to be good at ignoring that.
My parents switched to those trees you're talking about when me and my siblings moved out of their house and I don't blame them tbh. It's just some accessory tbh.
Also that's a lot of posts...

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 19:59 [Preview] No.49297 del
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Maybe I'll address the most tangential, the Fly Agaric: >>49243
Following Slovborg's personal xp and autistic expertise which he did his research.
Amanita muscaria produces ibutonic acid, which turns slowly into muscarin as sunlight effects the mushroom. Both water soluble and can be soaked out of the "fruit", and do the same process in a bottle. The digestive system/liver of animals (such as humans) also process the raw ibutonic acid to refined muscarin. However this process also has negative effect on the body, similar to hangover. Taking pure muscarin has no such effect, just intoxicates. Neither has real hallucinogenic properties, the effect is closer to being drunk, it is also causes changes in perception (Slovborg said he thought his bed is too small for him or some such). So maybe it causes to see weird stuff, but not like talking to ghosts or whatever. I think there are videos on youtube people eating it and getting drunk.
Fly agaric needs some temperature to grow, not hot, but "Arctic" communities, nah, perhaps on taiga. It's the northern woodland both in Europe and America, so liek the region of the Great Lakes. It can grow further towards north, just the growing season shortens on. Also if it was consumed on Dec 21 it could be only dried mushroom, but drying is one possibility to refine ibutonic acid. And this is important, because when shamans consumed it (they did, this is true) they did to turn the ibutonic acid to muscarin, so they were only one effected by the hangover, and not the rest of the tribe who consumed his piss and got drunk. But if the mushroom is dry, no need for the shaman. Or reindeers.
So all in all I feel the article on ffungi.org falling short.

Bernd 11/23/2022 (Wed) 20:01 [Preview] No.49298 del
btw that article is giving me 404 wtf

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 03:16 [Preview] No.49301 del
I did a brief search on Wikipedia. It seems the only possible use of it for such purposes comes from Siberia and America and maybe India, but all the evidence comes form hearsay and much of it is based on the publications of one guy in the 60s(Wasson)
There is no history of use in Europe but as it is possible to wash the toxins out there is some culinary use of it but not much.

It's apparently possibly lethal in some cases too.

Drinking Shaman urine comes from Wasson as well. I am suspicious of this, tribal people can have weird customs so nothing is impossible but people generally don't like drinking urine and it's also questionable as to how much of the toxin would be left in the urine anyway, just how much shaman urine would one have to drink if it would be even possible at all? Has anybody actually tested this?

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 03:17 [Preview] No.49302 del
Oh and Wassson was a Banker and there are people that dispute what he says.

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 03:23 [Preview] No.49303 del
I saw something like that but about the top website each country used, they removed the biggest sites like Facebook to get better results, it's possible that something like this was done there as well.

I don't find blacks attractive either, but people's tastes can be weird and also a reflection of underlying factors. Like for example, people that are attracted to blacks could simply be black or they could be racists that have fantasy about dominating what they see as inferior people, it could be people in the south with some kind of slave fantasy or it could be people with a fantasy linked to exploring savage lands or something. People can be weird.

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 10:33 [Preview] No.49306 del
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Slov used recent research too. Also some of the pdfs he shared gave context in the history of the research itself. It agrees what you wrote, most of the stuff is dated, and only a very few legit sources exists. Since I browse fungi identification sites, and books, I can confirm they are all very terse about fly agaric, just noting it's poisonous. Some of them adds it to the articles of the Amanita Pantherina that it is edible after careful parboiling, the fun thing, that Pantherina has higher concentration of ibutonic acid than Muscaria...
On the first occasion Slov harvested fly agaric for culinary purposes as well, and he did fry 'em up and eat them. He extracted the components with parboiling and later tried drinking it.
We could ask maybe he would repost what he put together.

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 14:45 [Preview] No.49309 del
>Fly agaric needs some temperature to grow, not hot, but "Arctic" communities, nah, perhaps on taiga.
I looked into where Amanita muscaria grows, and it's fairly diverse. There's speculation of it originating in colder areas, such as the Siberian and Beringian area, which is where the indigenous people doing the mushroom-reindeer ritual resided.

"A recent molecular study proposes that it had an ancestral origin in the Siberian–Beringian region in the Tertiary period, before radiating outwards across Asia, Europe and North America."

"The ancestral population of A. muscaria likely evolved in the Siberian–Beringian region and underwent fragmentation as inferred from NCA and the coalescent analyses. The data suggest that these populations later evolved into species, expanded their range in North America and Eurasia. In addition to range expansions, populations of all three species remained in Beringia and adapted to the cooling climate.

I'm unsure when they grow in these specific areas, perhaps they are able to adapt to grow during colder months (such as December), but I did not find much to support this, maybe it's something I will look into more later. All I found were mentions of the mushrooms being piled under snow, in which reindeer would find and eat. However, there's likely more solid evidence either in favor (or not) of this.

"(Amanita muscaria) has a religious significance in Siberian culture, specifically the Tungusic, a reindeer herding indigenous people. It is assumed that herders observed their reindeer’s habit of seeking out these hallucinogenic mushroom and decided to try it out themselves. According to Samorini, though these reindeer typically march in a straight line, they will break form to chase after and dig up (even under snow cover) these mushrooms. it is unclear if the reindeer have come to recognize these mushrooms as sources of nutrition, or they seek the psychedelic effects that accompany them. To this day the Tungusic consume the Amanita muscaria mushroom entheogenically, either raw or distilled in the urine of their reindeer."

I found more information about the indigenous people in these cold climates using Amanita muscaria for both spiritual and intoxicating purposes, so while they may have drank reindeer urine to get the effects of the mushroom, it's possible it was not during the winter solstice depending on if the mushrooms grow during that time. I saw that these mushrooms grow in summer-autumn in the North America and autumn-winter in the pacific coast, but not sure specifically to the Siberian area. There must be evidence one way or another to clarify when these mushrooms grow in this specific area.
"A local variety of the mushroom was used as an intoxicant and entheogen by the indigenous peoples of Siberia and by the Sámi, and has a religious significance in these cultures."

Bernd 11/24/2022 (Thu) 14:47 [Preview] No.49310 del
"For most peoples inhabiting the taiga area and forest tundra and not involved in dairy cattle breeding, fly-agarics — hallucinogenic mushrooms — were a peculiar replacement of alcohol."
“Northern reindeer, very avid for mushrooms in general, sometimes eat fly-agarics and, as a result, fall down and for some time behave wildly, as if they are drunk, after which they fall into a profound sleep. If the Koryaks find a reindeer in such a state, they tie its legs until it has had enough sleep and the mushroom juice has ceased to have any effect, and stab the reindeer only after that: If they had killed the reindeer while it was asleep and intoxicated, everybody who ate its meat would have become as frantic as if they had eaten fly-agarics.”

I would say with the above in mind, there does seem to be a link between Amanita muscaria's use in the cold "wintry" areas growing under "wintry" trees such as pine, using the mushrooms for spiritual purposes during the winter solstice (very close to Christmas), the Christmas theme centering around the North Pole, specifically reindeer getting "high", and while they may drink reindeer urine, it may not be during the winter solstice depending on when these mushrooms grow in that area. These themes seem to tie together greatly, but the timeline of the reindeer and winter solstice may not.

The link 404's because I forgot to add a space at the closing parenthesis. Let's try this again https://www.ffungi.org/blog/the-influence-of-hallucinogenic-mushrooms-on-christmas

Bernd 11/25/2022 (Fri) 16:03 [Preview] No.49320 del
A quick note on Santa and Chrismas: here Little Jesus brings the presents (these are fairly new development) >>33489 , Saint Nick has his own feast on Dec 5-6th or so. But as Santy Close, with his red coat and big white bear, he is a relatively new phenomenon.
To be honest maybe should scroll through the thread from the start to see what has been said.
I wrote about regölés here: >>33446
For Orthodogs New Year is more important as a public holiday. They probably keep Christmas closer to the original church celebration as it was. Here Kotolicks has their midnight mass and such too. But in parallel we have this thing with the tree and presents. I blame protestants.

>The link [...] Let's try this again
Thanks work.

Bernd 11/25/2022 (Fri) 16:03 [Preview] No.49321 del

Bernd 11/29/2022 (Tue) 20:12 [Preview] No.49333 del
Short addition to women and their preferences in men.
From what I've seen (so personal xp, anecdotal evidence) all kinds of men can into relationships, even fucking weird looking ones manage reproducing as well. Even pretty women pick less well looking dudes. Ofc they react well to handsome man some women are rude to them - for various reasons I guess - while I've never seen a man treating badly a pretty girl just after they met, but they see differences between types, and some will prefer one type, some other types. While I assume most women wouldn't pick the real uggos, their topmost priority isn't that they should look like some male models from an underwear ad.
Ok. This is a bit too wide but that's it.
An art professor said:
>women should be beautiful, for men it's enough to look one degree better than the devil

Bernd 11/29/2022 (Tue) 21:15 [Preview] No.49337 del
Christmas trees give me autism

t. amerigan state media

Bernd 11/29/2022 (Tue) 21:16 [Preview] No.49339 del
Must be hilarious. Can you give example?

Bernd 12/05/2022 (Mon) 21:26 [Preview] No.49380 del
Moar about women and relationships, because it's very xmassy.
There is this wisdom:
At the start of the relationship the woman hopes that the man will change. He will not. The man hopes the woman won't change. She will.

Some truth in it ofc. We know very little about the other when we meet. Our minds fill out the blank parts, which is quite a lot. We start out with many preconceptions and as we learn more about the other the "new" facts will confront with these fantasies, and oftentimes we'll rationalize that the other lied to us and/or changed.
Ofc there are pretense. Many fear they'd be judged harshly if the outside world knew the truth about them. They do to make themselves more acceptable. But men do too. I can't say if as frequently as women, less or more.
Heh, some people's only authentic characteristic is that they pretend.

Bernd 12/07/2022 (Wed) 21:45 [Preview] No.49390 del
It's time for me to write something long, so noone reads it. Even tho it's pure gold, Bernd. Here comes the redpill about women.

The first warm up part I already wrote on this board in some other thread not sure which.
So the fateful paradox of women is that they want a man who is strong, independent, capable of decision making... and whom they can control.
This dream inevitably fails. If he really is a strong, independent, decisive man, he cannot be controlled, he doesn't need a woman to make his decisions for him. But if she manages to control him, he wasn't a strong, independent decisionmaker.

Bernd 12/07/2022 (Wed) 21:47 [Preview] No.49391 del
The second part what I have not written here yet, is how the events pan out, after the reality hits. Every dance needs two, but since we're writing about women here, I'll write about them chiefly. So things will play out for her depending on if she can cope or not.
I. She can cope.
These women can make compromises, they met with reality, and can work with the hand they were dealt with.
I/A. She met with a strong, independent, decisive man.
1. She will be fine with her subordinate role, fulfilling the orders of her man. Depeding on the man they can live happily ever after, but quite some men like that think they deserve more than one pussy, so they'll screw around. If she is found to be too boring, maybe got ditched. If she is found to be dependable, she'll be still treasured in some way. Some of these women can't bear it and leave the relationship.
2. She will go with the flood and do what's told. Strong, independent, decisive men however know that insignificant questions don't worth their time and attention, and will relegate certain decisions to to the woman, liek what to have for dinner, or what brand of detergent to use. So they do get to decide stuff, this makes them think they have power. Some will be fine reigning in their own corner of queendom, but some will overestimate it, and will challenge the man constantly leading to endless arguments, sometimes till the grave, sometimes until one breaks up the relationship.
I/B. She met with someone whom she can control.
1. With lies and constant pep talks, with whispers into his ears, she builds a man from the material available, whom she can present as The Man to the outside world, someone whom she can be proud of. Someone whose reputation can boost her own social standing too as "First Lady". If the man gets the idea that he built something his misconceptions will be crushed, he will be put back to his place. Some man might ditch her at that point. Some of them really only needed someone else to put his life onto tracks, but others can't exists without a woman propping them up, so they'll seek someone else. In this case the woman will bitch about how she made the man who he is today and that whore took him away, or some shit like that. Some man will look for a "weak" woman, with whom they can fail life together.
1a. Since most people isn't cut ouf for making decisions, men and women, many relationships will fall into the subcategory or a variation of this. Neither of the pair is particularly strong or weak, but it doesn't feel I should introduce an inbetween category, or a I/C. The women will do whisper, she still has the dream of control, and has to go with the instinct, the man sometimes hushes her down, sometimes out of Pride. Sometimes he will take long hours from home, in the pub perhaps drinking after work till late, or digs himself into his work, both to escape from the nagging harpy, even tho she's just a mediocre on that role, and if he could hold the reign stronger, he could step up to the I/A category. But he can't. They'll blunder through life well or worse. They could end up breaking up, but could go till the end.
2. She is okay to be in the leading role to the outside world too. She'll try to submit her man. Some man are just happy to give up the burden of making decisions. But some won't suffer the bossing around and will just leave the relationship.

Bernd 12/07/2022 (Wed) 21:48 [Preview] No.49392 del
II. She can't cope.
These women can't handle the fact that their expectations were not just unreasonable, but impossible. They will believe all their problems are caused by men. From now on for them the men of the world will be grouped into:
- selfish assholes, and
- spineless wimps.
And she will swing like a pendulum between the too, bitching about the last one, and generally about all the men of the world, whom she will hate wholeheartedly.
Luckily these women seem to be the minority. They might write a feminist column in some trash tier online newspaper, giving dating tips to women (who are actually know better than her...).

Since I added no file to the previous post, let's roll with a love song here.
Edited last time by Shiban on 12/08/2022 (Thu) 18:25.

Bernd 12/12/2022 (Mon) 22:05 [Preview] No.49442 del
Addition to this >>49380
Sometimes when other people form an opinion about us, some people find it easier to conform to what they feel is an expectation, instead of confronting. Thus the mask will be given by another.
This happens in many situations, not just in relationships. There are particular people who are too quick to judge (average people are like that), or they have an agenda and a role they want to push on others (these are more rare, controlling type of people, often just egotist, sometimes malicious, I guess narcissists, psychopaths etc.).

Bernd 12/15/2022 (Thu) 05:22 [Preview] No.49468 del
Interesting, I look at women as if they are minefields, but certain things I don't see completely relegating to a gendered issue. Women may lean toward certain unhealthy relationship habits more than men, and vice versa. Regarding control specifically, I haven't experienced many women craving control over the relationship. If I encounter that, she likely has other personality issues that lead for the desire to control the man/relationship. I have met many men who crave too much control over the woman, and these men end up unsuccessful because their desire of control is stemmed from intense jealousy and lack of confidence in himself and the relationship. Control is balanced between both partners, and there are limits. I think if the control comes from a place of well intent and genuine love, it will be balanced between two partners and manifest in different ways for the partners. It's not so much "control", but rather, boundaries. Your partner should know and respect reasonable boundaries, there should be no need to control them if the boundaries are reasonable and both partners are respectful. Now the key word here is "reasonable" boundaries.

Many women will test men to see where their boundaries are, to test if he is weak. Women do not find weak pushovers attractive, and if a woman enjoys controlling a man, the man has issues to not stick up for himself. Some women do enjoy complete control over a man, but in my experience a weak man doesn't go far and doesn't produce a happy relationship. I wouldn't say it's commonplace for a woman to desire control over a man in a relationship, but it does happen - for both genders. It is likely more of a personal issue rather than a gendered issue. This is how people end up in emotionally or physically abusive relationships; the person seems normal at first. Slowly the abuser gets comfortable, knows the other is a weak target, and takes abusive actions. Typically, nobody voluntarily goes into an abusive relationship, it takes over slowly.

Bernd 12/15/2022 (Thu) 16:17 [Preview] No.49472 del
I do not disagree on many points, even tend to agree, maybe I should just clear a couple of things.

I think I should start with the Theory of Power. It's something I put into words. Maybe some philosopher or political theorist wrote about this somewhere, I have not read that. I dunno if you are one of our regular with different flag, or lurker, or one time visitor, I wrote about this stuff on this board already.
Power is the ability to make decisions. If I can decide what I do, I have power over myself. If I can decide what others do, I have power over them. If others can decide what I do, they have power over me. Power isn't weapons, money, or authority itself, but the ability to decide others' fate. There are three main ways to make others do stuff:
1. buy their actions (money);
2. force them to do it (weapons/strength, however you like to call it);
3. influence.
The last one is hard to express in a word, because it gathers many things. It could be the aforementioned authority, could be faith, belief, can be love, respect, or can be conning people to do things, changing their motivations, emotions, "implanting" a thought, etc. etc. This is potentially the strongest, and the highest level of the three.

Let's say the mob want something from you. First they'll try to bribe you (can be directly with money, or trading favors). If you reject, they'll intimidate you (beat you up, break your windows, put a severed horse head into your bed). But the highest level would be on their behalf is initiating you into their organization, to follow the boss.
State works the same. The sovereignty comes from the people, they give up - by their own volition - some of their rights and give it to the state, so the state can manage the common affairs, can mediate between the members of the people. The power of the state doesn't come from the soldiers or the bankers, but the people who decide to obey so the state can do its job.

Bernd 12/15/2022 (Thu) 17:01 [Preview] No.49473 del
cont. >>49472

It is axiomatic for the individuals of some of the higher tier animals - among them the humans - to seek power, to seek the ability to decide. There is always someone who makes the decisions. Every individuals basic instinct is to seek power over his own fate there are people who are very dependent on getting told what to do, due to "training", but this is a societal effect.
If it's alone it is kinda obvious that it will make the decisions for itself. But if there is two, things start to get complicated. There will be their own, separate stuff, which they might or might not do however they like, but there always be common affairs where they have to decide who decides that who and how will handle them. Relationships are the same in this question.
But first let's look at an example. Dogs. For dogs belonging in a hierarchical structure, a hierarchical family is instinctual, "natural". That is the norm to them. For humans too, but we feed ourselves bs not to notice it, we pull the wool over our own eyes. There is the pack and there are always a pack leader. If none wants the job, he will take the position. The owners of dogs frequently do not realize this. Surprisingly often. When they take their dogs to dog schools they don't know the trainers there not just helping them make their dogs learn basic commands a dog can't obey to a command until he learns what the fuck they want from him to do, but those trainers are there to show them how to be the pack leader. Then they go home and they forget to enforce their own power. A masterless dog is the master of himself. If he is part of a family because when you own a dog, you actually make it part of the family in his eyes, if there is no master, he will be the master of the family. This happens all the time. The dogs will decide what to eat, when to eat, where to lay down, or sleep, how and where to go when taken for a walk, he will go out the door first, he won't allow basic care from the owner or anyone, he will jump on the members of the family, take the sandwich out of ones hand, chew their shoes and their kids.

Bernd 12/15/2022 (Thu) 17:24 [Preview] No.49474 del
cont. >>49473

But back to relationships.
There are these couples, they say:
>we make decisions together
The woman decides. You can take poison to that.
Oh they might talk over their life how to do it, but there will be one who'll wait the other to nod the decision, and only then the action can take place. There is always a command structure.
But here comes the fun part. Not necessarily the one who nods in the end is the one who decides. That person mind can be made up by the other, and the nod, is simply just giving in to the will of the other. There was this Hungarian king, Czech in origin, nicknamed as "Dobre" Ladislaus, because he was so impotent king he could only nod and say dobre, dobre - "okay, okay" - on every whim of the whole court and pressure groups.
Women like to get their way, but they often practice soft power, influence their men, rather than direct, open control and ordering around. When they in power they are women, not imitating men, they do it their own way, how evolution made them capable of it. It's the feminist pipe dream: women who are in place of men, acting like men; this isn't the reality, it's rare. Still as individuals of higher tier animals, they do go after control.

Here >>49261 and here >>49263 books are came up, what women prefer. While I have not read any of such books I think the stories aren't about The Man use the heroin the female hero not the drug, and discard her for the next hole, but are about The Man dominating the heroin, then the woman (gradually) win him over and make him have her as the center of his obsession, domesticating, taming him, to stay monogamous with her. Or some such.

Bernd 12/24/2022 (Sat) 19:50 [Preview] No.49529 del
Merry Christmas to all of you weird Europeans from >>>/ausneets/

Bernd 12/24/2022 (Sat) 20:11 [Preview] No.49530 del
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Thank you! Jolly good Christmas for you there, and für Bernd!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-_s_h_L2dTU [Embed]

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 06:19 [Preview] No.49531 del
I'm Australian though.

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 08:04 [Preview] No.49532 del
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Then why you are Hong Kong? You are clearly Russian.

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 08:08 [Preview] No.49533 del
Me too.

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 08:09 [Preview] No.49534 del
That’s an absolute banger.

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 08:18 [Preview] No.49535 del
Me too.

With mash?

Bernd 12/25/2022 (Sun) 08:51 [Preview] No.49536 del
No mater what your country calls it, Merry Christmas 🎄, Happy Hannukah 🕯️, and Joyous Ramadan 🕌

Happy Easter, Bernd! Bernd 04/08/2023 (Sat) 09:03 [Preview] No.50076 del
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Already ate some ham. It is tasty but goddamn tough, has to be sliced very thin to make it enjoyable. Luckily the horseradish is spicy as fuck, makes me blow my nose a lot.

Dutch bernd Bernd 04/13/2023 (Thu) 15:45 [Preview] No.50094 del
Do they usually make this during Easter in Hungary? Looks tasty

Bernd 04/14/2023 (Fri) 06:40 [Preview] No.50098 del
Yes. We have Easter ham. It's smoked, then at home everyone cooks it, sometimes with other ingredients (other meatstuff), sometimes whole eggs in shells, sometimes the cooking water is used for other soups such as bean.
In Hungarian Easter = Húsvét, literally means The Take of Meat, since it was the end of the 40 days great fast (Lent, Quadragesima), when they had to suspend the consumption of meat.

Dutch bernd Bernd 05/17/2023 (Wed) 03:54 [Preview] No.50246 del
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How interesting. Gonna try doing some of those during next Christmas

Bernd 12/25/2023 (Mon) 19:48 [Preview] No.51430 del
Well. Merry Christmas to the occasional visitors, posters and lurkers in 2023 too.

Bernd 12/25/2023 (Mon) 20:49 [Preview] No.51431 del
Merry Christmas from /ausneets/.

Bernd 12/26/2023 (Tue) 05:27 [Preview] No.51432 del

Bernd 12/26/2023 (Tue) 08:11 [Preview] No.51433 del
Thanks fella.

Bernd 12/31/2023 (Sun) 23:29 [Preview] No.51455 del
Happy New Year, Bernd!
It will be the year of the Dragon! Does this foreshadows something? Rise of the Chinese Dragon? Or a different Dragon? Wales perhaps...?
That's Libra in Western zodiac, with her scale (dragon scale). Will we be measured? Judged? Are our hearts light as a feather?
Ought to be an interesting year.

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Bernd 01/02/2024 (Tue) 02:30 [Preview] No.51458 del
2024 will be the start of the Welsh reconquista.

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Bernd 01/02/2024 (Tue) 10:12 [Preview] No.51460 del
Happy new year!

Dutch bernd Bernd 01/04/2024 (Thu) 00:58 [Preview] No.51478 del
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Merry Christmas and happy new years bernds. Hope everyone's holidays were ebin :DDD

Bernd 01/07/2024 (Sun) 20:57 [Preview] No.51493 del

Spent Xmas ill...
But was okay considering.

Bernd 01/18/2024 (Thu) 00:48 [Preview] No.51531 del
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>Spent Xmas ill...
>But was okay considering.
Hope you're better now though bernd

Bernd 01/19/2024 (Fri) 08:14 [Preview] No.51543 del
Fairly good, thank you.

Bernd 03/29/2024 (Fri) 15:32 [Preview] No.51828 del
Easter is here, Good Friday today.
Looked up a bit of folk believes, and traditions related to this particular day within the greater holiday of Easter, which actually starts 40 days before, with the Great Fast.
One group of customs is a type of health conjuration, all related to water, more specifically to fresh stream/brook water. Most often is bathing in it, washing oneself, just face or fully submerging in it. Sometimes done at early dawn. It could help with various ailments, give beauty, or just health in general. It should help with animals too, either the through should be filled, or the animals has to be led into the water. I like the one where girls seek out places where willow trees grow next to the water for bathing in it results in long, thick, healthy hair (on their scalp).
Christianized explanation of this power of brooks: when the soldiers led Jesus, they pushed him into the Cebron/Kidron river.
Another group is the so called "Pilate burning". A literal act is when they burn a figurine made of straw, which they name either Pilate of Judas Iscariot. This has some derivatives. Sometimes they beat the strawman before burning. At places a child was chased around the courtyard and if he got caught, he got beaten. At one place the priest hit the step leading to the altar with the Bible, and the congregation beat the benches with sticks. The custom of Pilate burning should be known in other ex-parts of the Habsburg monarchy - Austria, Czechia, Poland, Croatia, etc.
Banishing pests - such as rats or cockroaches - can be done on Good Friday. There are taboos, such as butchering chicken or plowing must not be done on this day. There are places where they light fires, sometimes young men jump over it, in some regions they hold vigils at these fires. It was also customary to treat the day as if someone from the family died, and act accordingly (like dress in black/dark clothing, cover mirrors, etc.)

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Those bernd know if there's a site that lists all Easter traditions around the world? Could be interesting

Bernd 04/28/2024 (Sun) 16:56 [Preview] No.51933 del
>site that lists all Easter traditions around the world?
This does not exists. Wikipedia has lots of things but missing even more. And they have biased editing too, they just skip what it doesn't fit in the picture they paint.
What I wrote above for example is specifically for Good Friday, and I found in a Hungarian Catholic lexicon.

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